the influence is going on, they are simply, they are, so to speak, in shock, the children who listen to this, it is amazing. and now another gift, the discovery of denis matsuev, the winner of the grand piano competition, lev bakirov.

the question is, for children who are not yet familiar with music, but this is not for the children themselves, probably for their parents, what would you recommend, well, first of all , five compositions that can be listened to with children, analyzed, which can immediately captivate and involve these children with their magic, their wonderfulness into music, five compositions, oh, well, elementary.

mozart's little night serenade, magic right away. eh, if such a thought comes to mind on new year's eve, of course, a nitwit. it comes to many people's minds, on new year's eve, something like that, some kind of mania, just yes, well, really, this is, this is, this is really the magic of this music and this ballet. third, of course, tchaikovsky's concerto number one, this is our anthem. moreover, it was our anthem when there was no real anthem, our recording of valery. gergiy was on the olympics in tokyo. this is really our anthem. when everyone listens to this music, everyone imagines russia, visually. beethoven - the fifth symphony pa-pa-pa-pam. yeah. rock. this is just rock music. if beethoven lived in our time, he would be a genius rocker, 100%. and, of course, yagan sebastian bach. ave marie or any, any prelude or fugue - this is, so to speak.

and also rachmaninov, maybe, well, and this is my summer motive, this is the third concert, on a par with pyotr ilyich, this is our everything and the most played russian composers in the world, every day they sound somewhere, moreover, if you put... the program of the second or third concert of rachmanin - this is an absolute guarantee of a full hall in any point on earth, my grandson sergei vasilyevich, alexander borisovich, whom we met about 20 years ago, told me about this, this is that incredible story, after a concert in the parisian chan zalez with yuri semerkanov, such an elderly man with a very straight posture came to me and said an unforgettable phrase, he says: young man, if you quit smoking, i'll give you a big gift, i've never been a heavy smoker, i could smoke a cigarette after a concert, i'd throw it away right away, hello, where, where's the gift, i say, yes, he says, my last name is rachmaninoff, and from afar it looked something like that, not very much, but from afar this is a special profile, and i really like it, he says, how you play my grandfather's music,

so i want to give you a small gift, these are two unknown scores, a suite and a fugue, these are rachmaninoff's student works, which he sent to tchaikovsky for approval. and i lived there, i ate there, i slept there, i read letters, i looked at these scores, photographs, and most importantly i played on his piano, which still sings incredibly, rachmaninov for me is an icon, where you most often play

a concert on new year's eve, at christmas, i try to be at home in irkutsk, because my home is there anyway, of course moscow is also home, but i prefer, i want, i want there to be snow, although... there too lately something is tough with frosts there, but i still have to take a steam bath, dive take a breath, take a nap, although you don't have to sleep in irkutsk, you dive at christmas, yes, yes, definitely, there's a house there, a house, well, that is, it 's not, that is, you come, don't stay in some, i didn't sell lenin 4 there - they lived right in irkutsk, of course, i'm not in everything there.

friends, in irkutsk, fortunately, many of mine and my classmates have been preserved, where we constantly meet, it's not like everyone is scattered, yes, many have left, well, whoever stayed there, and we just haven't changed anything with them in general, that is, childhood friends are gathering, the best, the very best this is the best new year, it seems to me, the best that can be, dear friends, i think that we will ask denis leonidovich to wish something good in the new year, so that it happens. i am very glad to be here with you, i want the new year to have the most positive news, i want you to smile more, so that there are more reasons for this, so that you are healthy, so that you go to classical music concerts,

because we talked about this a lot today, this is a therapeutic effect, and i am sure that it will work in 2025, and we all really need it, your denis matsoev, dear friends, this was a podcast. creative industry and in the studio, as always with you were roman karmanov, ceo of the presidential fund for cultural initiatives, and elena kiper, producer, video director and author, our guest was the wonderful denis matsuev, now an improvisation on the theme in the forest a christmas tree was born from denis matsuev.

and why did i decide to do this topic yes, before the beginning of our conversation, and because it seems to me that we speak a lot from the dominance of foreign words, which in fact, of course, i'm not a linguist, but what is called to the best of my nolage, as they say in the ryazan region, yes, and the language will easily survive all this, of course, it will survive anything. but what we have first of all, what worries me personally, why i wanted

to ask you to talk about this, is the dissemination of foul language in the public space, yeah, practically everywhere, yeah, yeah, and we hear this from the lips of people who, well, no, not at all, the question is not whether they know or not, yeah, culture, i'm sorry, i'll swear, i'm a culturologist, yes, culture is a system of taboos, no, i'm a culturologist, yes, a system of taboos, briefly, fuck, emotionally, yes, let's, so to speak, gunpowder,

of course we have a lot of it, but i ask, friends. swearing is first of all a litter, a trash can of language, into which the waste of thinking is dumped. so wrote in one of his letters to gorky, korney ivanovich chukovsky. hello, today we gathered our thoughts about foul language. hello, dear friends. hello, good night, yaroslav levrovich skvartsov, dean of the faculty of international journalism mgemo mit rossii, konstantin sergeevich derevyanko, head of the internet portal gramota.ru and chairman of the scientific and educational union for the development of language and information culture, rodnoe slovo. i am vladimir ligoyd and we are starting our conversation, well, actually , i have already tried, dear friends, to explain to you why it seems to me that this topic is important, because i think that sometimes we talk too much about the silting up of foreign words, a problem that language faces, and well

, is it a problem, yes, a situation that any language faces, remember at least alexander sergeevich, after all, trousers, frag-vest, all these words do not exist in russian, and somehow it lives peacefully, here is about the real problem of littering, yes, the contamination of the language, you look no littering, i know, now we will also talk about this, but very little is said about this. and you know, that is why i would like to be the first one i would like to ask you, do you remember a situation where, aa, when in some situation, in some place, it was absolutely unexpected for you? to hear that very swearing that we are going to dedicate our conversation to today? i remember that moment, this is the bolshoi theater, then still of the ussr, i knew that you would come up with a trump card, but yes, i want to reassure you, it was not from the stage or even from the orchestra pit, it was just in the cloakroom, but it seemed to me that entering

the temple of art, i was somehow protected even from the fact that... accidentally somewhere my ear caught a swear word, i can immediately reassure the respected tv viewers, this was in the nineties, which, i hope, with their level, including speech culture, have sunk into oblivion, but for me it was a shock, i can’t say that this unfortunate incident spoiled the overall impression of the performance, and this was before, yes, it was before, it was before, if it had been after, it could have been, let’s say , emotionally colored by the reaction to what was seen, heard, and this was and before, that's why it had nothing to do with art, it resonated with me, because in this place i didn't expect to hear such things even from visitors, and you, konstantinevich, and i, in turn, was shocked when i came to school a few years ago to my son - in elementary - in elementary school

and heard in the corridor such a stream of obscene language and from very small children, literally there first or second grade, it was completely unexpected, of course, there were no teachers nearby, naturally the teaching staff is doing the appropriate work, but pay attention to how young children are now, who have smartphones in their hands, which, through which they have access to tiktok, there to various, it is very difficult, they themselves absorb this, let's say, cultural layer in quotation marks, let's, since we are not linguists, our linguistic judgments can be completely irresponsible, i think, because as far as i understand, here is swearing, obscene language, yes, it is in any language, it belongs to that layer of vocabulary, which everyone knows, and at the same time it is taboo, yes, well at least there are these spheres where

it is unacceptable, but this thing is so widespread everywhere, am i right, well for some reason i remember , as if without crossing the borders of the empire or the modern russian federation , lomonosov's three shtils, yes , but as if an attempt to put it on the shelves, as they say, but look, how interesting, if you turn to foreign experience, because let's say, the etymology can be very, very different, here the germans, whom we love so much, vladimir romanovich, they are clean people, so abusive speech concerns some kind of dirt, it is no coincidence that there is a schwein junta - this is some kind of, this is very... this is very bad, there is an idea that there is something that is beyond the line, here, as you correctly said, culture is a system of self-limitations, we set barriers for ourselves, up to this barrier - this is cultural, and this is already uncultured, this is a barrier, here, but at the same time

, just like art, which is always aimed, here it does not have these very strict restrictions and it is not necessary, as it were, to enter into...

returning to mikhail vasilyevich, as it were, this is the third style, yes, here is a reduced vocabulary, it is, it is present, but this is a question of your culture, your education, if you allow me, i will give one more example, and somehow once in one social network, which is now unpopular in russia, the mother of one of our students vladimir romanovich commented on something using obscenities, i immediately wrote to her in a personal message, i said: hello, respected so-and-so, so-and-so, i say, forgive me, i read something so strange from you, would you like? to remove it or correct it, to which she said to me in a very good, cultured language: oh, how nice it is for me that you read my comments, but what's wrong with that? i say, how can you use such vocabulary in a public space, why? i was told, but my child knows that i use this vocabulary at home, why should i be hypocritical, to which i objected to her, i say, forgive me, please, but if you go to the beach in a bathing suit,

you go to the theater in an evening dress, is this hypocrisy, it's just that for each place you define your own boundaries of decency, but i was told that from her point of view this is hypocrisy, well, such an approach of a person, it surprised me, i do not share it and do not understand. well, swearing is, first of all, an emotional impact on a person, through words, and taboos and euphemisms are a system of some protection, and we know very well that foul language, well, let's say, all the same, we are talking now about a subsystem, so to speak, of obscene vocabulary, yes, that is, not all the obscene vocabulary that we are talking about today, although... about zherganisms, officialese, i would also like to talk about this, because it is very strongly penetrating the public field, the information field, now, but about this, probably, later,

the system of a taboo , uh - changes over the years, centuries, decades, and in the times of ae leo tolstoy, mm, swear word, a plague on both your houses, go to hell, uh, this is, probably, there were some of the most expressively loaded and scary, so to speak, for people, at that time obscene vocabulary was not so widespread due to religious prohibitions, well, and in general, once upon a time in high society, it practically did not exist, it began to penetrate there from the lower strata of society through newspapers, mass media, well , now it is distributed as widely as possible with the help of the internet, therefore... the system of taboos , uh, changes , including - the expressive load of certain words and m, what is interesting,

by the way, that it seems like in different languages ​​and in many ways, but at least we can definitely compare with the english language , swear words mean approximately the same thing, but there are other interesting examples, for example, in quebec - this is the canadian version. slept, and you, you fly, and you are given stars,

their tenderness, there are so many single guys, and i love you, and my mother. and my mother did not take me to kiss, and my mother will warm you, a concert for the ninety-fifth anniversary of lyudmila zykina's birthday on russia day on first. in such congratulations on your service in azersk. svetlana, forensic scientist. it's terribly hard here after the big city. at first, then you'll get used to it

. how can you live single? oh well, i immediately realized that you're not married. my wife is a backwater and wouldn't let me come to us alone. good morning. good, and we decided to drop by, it's probably hard for you out of habit, and there's no food here. i thanked you poorly yesterday for.

to evaluate this, but it's obvious that this also affects motivation, because we know that this very obscene vocabulary, at least, in our cultural context from the point of view of christianity, it can be associated with blasphemy and then for a believer, or a person who considers himself a believer, this is an iron taboo, yes, there are different ones, i don’t want to go into explanations of the roots now, but there is such a version, it is generally , as they say, quite convincing, well, the second point is actually, we say ourselves,

of course so, you know, now i’ll return to your example, i had some time ago there was a meeting with high school students, i was invited to breakfast in the library at a very elite moscow school, i was a little confused by the combination, somehow food and the library were not related to each other for me, well, okay, physical spiritual, well, yes, yes, food, yes, physical spiritual, so when one young man started telling me about, well, you know, like books, what are you talking about, this is all yesterday, i say, young man, well, you and your class invited me to meet in the library, i say, i didn’t meet with these volumes, i fully admit that maybe these are replicas, i say, well, what are you telling me, that these are books after all? i say, let's mentally clear these shelves right now, no one needs them, you just told me about it, well, do you want to put some other digital information carriers there, i say, it seems to me that our manner of communication will change, the language will change, the subject matter may change,

that being among books. well, books set us up a little in a certain mood, even if i only see their lids, he didn't answer, apparently he was thinking, isn't that bad, it seems to me, continuing your theme, vladimirovich, by the way, when you asked the question, where was the most unexpected, well, i somehow came up with, came up with an example with the theater, i'll tell you honestly, i 'm not being hypocritical now, in churches i've never heard either from parishioners or from visitors obscene language, moreover, i noticed that even when that's why i started with the library breakfast, even when at some secular event there is a priest, yes, like this - it's not that i'm blinkered, but i have to watch my speech, i have to watch it, and if, for example, in some situations it happens that, well , we know this person and someone thinks that if i want to swear now, i must definitely apologize to him, i

can't imagine that your reverence, for god's sake, excuse me, but now i have to , i haven't met this , i have, i have one story, so, uh, it here it is just like a social event, one very famous journalist says something very expressively, a priest is standing in front of him, and he either doesn't see him or something, in general he speaks out, looks at the priest, crosses his mouth like this and says: father, forgive me, father is resourceful, he says this... it doesn't work like that, if you think that yes, in general , the comrade didn't swear anymore, but you know, here's what i'd like to talk about, here's what completely knocked me out in your story, what mom says, that son knows that i am at home so na yes, i probably will sound now, maybe, for a specific family very strange and wild, but here is my dad, the kingdom of heaven, he was

born in 1933, he remembers the war... there, well, as a child, yes, mom, god bless him, in 1938, i have never heard a single swear word from my parents in my life, never, i - already until another year of birth, but i can’t imagine that i could allow myself in front of my children, and you know, i am very in this sense i like it, this is just again related to our conversation about taboos, i was once told. our outstanding philologist, philosopher, antiquarian, he said that somewhere around 5 or 6 years old, just that age, yes, he came to his mother, ran up, says, mom, i know all the bad words, and i think, well, how do they test, yes, mom says, i know them too, and dad knows them, but we don’t do it that way, well, according to him, it just cut off, yes, family, that means, we can establish these, undoubtedly, we can establish

certain... frameworks, limits of use, i still want to say, for the sake of fairness, yes, so that we do not engage only in criticism, this is natural, completely. phenomenon, which often does not mean that the person pronouncing, pronouncing these words, means and thinks literally what they mean, on the contrary, in fact, well, paradoxically, from the point of view of such linguistic analysis, just the opposite, and you know very well that you can swear and be happy at the same time, and this in general is also quite common happens, we... we know proven situations when the use of foul language helps with stress, i just want to say that first of all we need to talk about the appropriateness, about the appropriateness of use, at the beginning of the program you talked about what

it means to penetrate into the public sphere and remove you, literally in my opinion, in recent years, in recent years on television, on big stages, with famous people, this is happening everywhere, of course, at the family level we are trying to protect, as well as the church, yes, this is such a space, security, linguistic security, cultural security, but what happens next, when our child goes outside the doors of the house , turns on, gets into this information environment, when he goes to... a fifth-grader goes to school and sees high school students in adolescence, who now swear, and this is very fashionable, they literally speak in obscene language, it is clear that they are going through adolescence, this is also a kind of form of protest,

in general, it is observed that in the future it decreases, of course, but i apologize, but look, it turns out that yes, let's say, i also understand that i remember that in adolescence we , yes, although we had our own taboos, i don't know, we didn't... swear in front of girls, yeah , now girls swear calmly, yes, yes, and this and that, but i just wanted to say that it turns out that if we - we introduce this into a new space, yes, it is now really everywhere, yes, then we, all of these, we practically removed everything these are taboos, but what's interesting is that adolescence, yes, and if it's an adult, it turns out that he stayed in this, he also has to grow out of these pants, he hasn't learned his lessons, but he should already... understand - like you know, one of the largest - here are the internet platforms where vacancies and employee resumes are published published a study according to which in 85% of companies -

swearing is the norm, that is, an employee comes to get a job, there is this part, then i apologize corporate corporate cultures, yes, and of course we are not talking about direct insults, we are talking about the fact that it is simply used in communication, in communication, and thus barriers are lowered, people adapt faster, well, that's what they say, well, okay, and if we put the question this way, the trend is obvious, yes, i , how can i say, am an americanist by country specialization, naturally , a little, so to speak, i watched, was interested in american cinema, and even in my favorite wonderful series columba, where in general there are no curses, but the decline... stylistic, lexical, since it was filmed for decades, yes, it is obvious, not only in the language you can see it, you can see scenes there, there are kisses that were allowed, not allowed , so many seconds, so many, so, so, by the way, this is a very interesting cultural study, yes, today there, well

, some films are simply impossible to watch, yes, you still try in the language, if you understand it, in the original language, and you are already there , well, to maintain the vocabulary, and what is there to maintain, there four words in different combinations, yes, but this is obviously a unification of speech. no, i agree, but if you allow me, here in continuation of your words, here to the corporate culture, when this is not, this is not punishable, this is normal, just a month ago i invited one of my old old friends to visit the students, a very culturally educated person, graduated from a wonderful university, i say, let's go, before that i was at his planning meeting, which he held, he is the editor-in-chief, i say, i want to hold an open planning meeting with the students of your publication, he said no, no need with the students.