Our Parmenides study group continues on once again into the fourth hypothesis. Pierre extends his diagram from yesterday, but only at the bottom. We read through the entirety of the hypothesis, focusing on several sections. The most work is put into P15 (top of 158b) by virtue of its importance but also ambiguity and multiple interpretations in the original Greek.
Barbara - some remaining translation issues in hyp3 - "in no time" really "in no one time"
Eldar clarifies with Pierre a quote from Pierre from yesterday: "Logos is the expression of the intelligibility of the Self."
0:09:50 beginning of study on hyp4, at 157b / P1
Up to P8. PG: What does this mean? Is this a continuation of hyp3?
If the others do not possess the Self, then the fourth picks up on that theme and continues it.
20:55 stop reading at P12 and discuss
Keep in mind: What kind of a "one" is it?
P9: What kind of "whole" is it?
A diminished role of the idea of "part"
0:34:00 putting a crown on it. (the part has a diminished capacity as a part. but the whole still has a perfection/completion.)
0:35:40 back to reading from P11-P12
0:45:00 impossible. the only way a part can be one is deriving it from the Self
P:46:40 P15 Participating of the Self by being different
(Pierre looks at the Greek)
0:50:45 P15 "..Participating of Self, (they, the Beings) different."
(I think: "Is it not the case then, that The Beings which Participate of the One, Participate differently of Self.")
0:58:00 David translates as a participial phrase: "Those participating of Self participate, being different from the One."
Regina: "Must not those which participate of the One participate of Self as being different from the One?"
Pierre: "Is it not the case then, that Beings of the One participate and participate of the Self.."
1:05:15 Thomas Taylor: "Must not therefore those that participate of the One participate of Self as being different from the One?"
Loeb: “And will not the things which participate in the one be other than the one while participating in it?”