Another Friday night with Pierre and members of the NS. We continue our study of the analogy of the Sun, this time from the point of view of Pierre's question on whether we are in a “closed” system (no help from above).
6:53pm PST warm-ups
with Jed: studying Sun analogy and the question of help from above
with Kate: Any such thing as good families?
6:58 What do you guys think of being in a “closed” system? (Beings on the lower are trying to work their way up to the higher, but the higher is not contributing to our drive to get to know our Self?)
7:13 (Again) What is the Sun analogous to?
7:20 Reminder: there are two analogies in Book 6: The Divided Line, and the Sun
Same question: Why are both necessary, and do they refute the closed system idea?
7:28 No role for the higher. No help from the higher to the lower in the analogy of the Cave (in book 7)
7:39 PG: what do you find interesting in 508?
7:40 reading 508e
imparting Truth, dispensing Power. (But this only “The Idea of the Good”. Not “The Good”.)
7:52 Is he setting up 4 terms for us to consider
Knowledge, Truth, Here, There
8:05 Half-closed, half-open system?
Read up to 509B
8:15 Barbara's question on the laws
8:20 If Being is plural, is the experience of it also plural? Or does one have the experience of it as a Unity?
How can you pull each of the virtues/qualities of a Brilliant Light of Being together as a Unity?
8:22 How does he go from the many to the single, to Truth and Knowledge?
Therefore, how can the philosopher lay down laws of the (separate) Beautiful, Just, and Good?
8:34 Plato's uses “The Good” differently (obfuscates?), and it is important to note this.