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tv   Inside Story 2017 Ep 363  Al Jazeera  December 31, 2017 10:32am-11:01am +03

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by turkey there is increased security in major cities across the world ahead of new year's eve celebrations parties in some public squares have been cancelled in the turkish city of a stumble it's one year since a government stormed a popular nightclub during of years eve party killing thirty nine people. now the greek government is seeking to reverse a decision to grant asylum to one of eight turkish soldiers who fled to greece during last year's failed coup saturday's ruling by a greek asylum tribunals and get turkey which has repeatedly called for these soldiers extradition the greek supreme court has argued the soldiers would receive a fair trial back at home is sign of appeals will forward he is still considering the cases of another seven soldiers. an indian soldier has been killed and at least two others injured after armed government stalled the paladin a tree camp in india administered kashmir police say they threw grenades had fired
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automatic rifles as they trying to seize the training center in the town of. those where the headlines about with more use it half an hour here on al-jazeera next to its inside story to stay with us. al-jazeera. where ever you. demonstrations in cities across iran the biggest in nearly a decade protesters say prices are too high and the government's corrupt in two thousand and nine unrest was met with a military crackdown so how will the government deal with the people's today this is inside story.
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hello and welcome to the program. death or freedom it's a chant that was heard around iran this week but angry of the high cost of basic goods the price of eggs for example has gone up forty percent in just six months some iranians say it's time for the government to focus on domestic issues and to forget syria and forget palestine. these protesters hope the iran nuclear deal in two thousand and fifteen would ease their financial struggles most international sanctions were lifted but life for many iranians has not improved government critics say the economic benefits of the deal haven't been passed on because of mismanagement and alleged corruption and that the budget announced this month cuts vital social welfare programs while giving more money to religious and revolutionary institutions more than fifty arrests were reportedly made in iran's
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second largest city in mashhad with the government saying the demonstrations were uncalled for and iran's vice president saying the protests could do more harm than good. as all economic indications in the country are good yes there is an increase in the prices of some products and the government is working on fixing the causes of the high prices some of the events that have taken place in recent days are said to have been because of the economy but there are other reasons the people behind what is taking place think they will be able to harm the government but when social movements and protests start in the street those who have ignited them are not always able to control them it's hard to hungary says the economic indicators are good but not everyone agrees if unemployment stands at more than forty percent and in the wider population the number out of work has grown this year to more than twelve percent china has been investing billions of dollars in bros and trains in
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iran but foreign investment from the west and most international banks is stalled because of u.s. sanctions and inflation has grown significantly this year let's go to our guests joining us here in doha. is visiting fellow at the brookings doha center into how gumba nigeria's the political analysts and journalists fork in hand international. and from munich by skype is afshin shah a senior lecturer in middle east politics of the university of bath ford thank you gentlemen for joining us mr nature didn't ask you this the process that we see in iran they are genuine outcry over bad economy deteriorating living standards or this is something which is politically motivated i think it's obviously both if you look at the real grievances in iran as well as to the slogans over chartered all across the country what has been missed by many iran observers during the last few
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years is that the ranis economic policies have been a failure because although we have experienced. g.d.p. growth this g.d.p. growth has not been exclusive inclusive so basically what economists have find out that during the past few years both poverty and income inequality have risen so basically the. promises that rouhani gave in terms of the revitalization of trade with the outside world being trickling down to the normal iranians has not materialized so very early on we've seen a lot of frustration from the lower and middle strata of society views of the those failed economic policies and so there was a simmering. low the surface simmering discounting below the surface that is now going you know there is a merging on the other hand when it comes to political repression also things have not improved so basically there are both socio economic and political you cases
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that go to mr. deery in mr no dearie it's a movement which is building up momentum and a cross iran people are saying enough is enough but what we've seen is that a government is so in some sort of denial about what's happening saying these are just a bunch of people trying to destabilize iran or. absolutely spot on i think the government actually prefers to do the other way because probably they. is to to fix the economy decided a state of affairs in the country by signing a nuclear deal with the p five plus one group of nations we waited four years for that and after that when they signed it they said that they're going to fix it the economy in one hundred days and didn't happen actually we have this problem of runaway prices for the past thirty seven years or so so. this is an economic malaise that refuses to go away for the simple fact that we never had a powerful and. strong economic team in any of our current or
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previous governments or the current government the economic team is rubbish they don't know how to handle the economy didn't know how to take advantage of this new opening. up to the world economy and they just keep looking at each other that is the problem at the end of the day we have to we should also not forget the fact that these people are businessmen they only think about themselves they funded the sponsored president rouhani to win the election the both elections they spend millions of dollars and now they want something in return saw they get you know rolls and positions in his cabinet in many other areas of the of the government and all they think about is their own. interests and those around them that's what people are paying the price because nobody thinks and cares cares are right that people that's where you are i think you're right to say that the government is in the night mr sharkey vice president. seems to be
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blaming ultra conservatives particularly in message for fermenting trouble and you know as we know that much had these are some of the most prominent conservatives some of them vocal critics of ohana to what extent. is very accurate about this of his of the which has been triggered by the conservatives it is extremely difficult to determine exactly what happened in. mattia on and on thursday but only a few hours after the beginning of the protests we started to see kind of uranium in political fashion it is then in every sense of the. authors of the government and people who work from the government like mr john geer blamed the other faction and blame basically the conservative segment of the union political establishment to kind of the protests in order to undermine the government and at
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the same time kind of the iranian government trying to kind of blame current iranian political faction dissent primarily for a deal the level of instability that we see in the country at the moment but just like going back to the point it was raised by your guest from tehran he blinked at the government of mr rouhani of for the current economy a failure without any doubt if you want to look at kind of the situation with a level of fairness of course and the last year yes has been extremely difficult for iranian economy but to be frank and to be fair these e-mail it to what the government of president rouhani can do according to some estimates between fifty to sixty percent of the iranian economy is controlled by the i r g c and this is an area that president rouhani cannot control according to transparency
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international iran rank as one hundred seventy one one hundred seventy the iranian president as one of the most corrupt countries in that region and in the world that a lot of these problems are a structural a lot of these problems aren't beyond the ability or the jurisdiction or foe president ok honey let's talk about some of these problems in detail mr there's a there is. unemployment which is on the rise inflation is a huge problem the general sentiment among people is that the benefits of any deal particularly two thousand and fifteen deal is not trickling down to us has little hani failed to deliver on the promises he made for his own people so basically what we have to be aware of that blame has to be put on both the government and the hardliners who control the bulk of iran's state institutions and alluded to basically what. he was saying exactly so the problem with mr rouhani is economic
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policies as they have been the liberal so they have not been really wanting to address the social question that is quite huge in iran you have almost half of the iranian population that lives around the poverty line so and this has been not within the interest of the romney government to tackle with on the other hand we have the right wing conservatives and populists who pretends to be caring about poor iranians lives but in reality when they assume you know powerful positions they do not engage in the distribution of wealth that would be beneficial to larger sections of society so basically both sides are to blame for this problem for this socio economic malaise that iran is finding itself and also the chance for many of the protests this reflects this this criticism of these of you all factions of the iranian regime and certainly. i mean you listen to what mr jordan so who basically
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saying you cannot fairly lay the blame just on the harley because only porton chunk of the economy has historically been under the control of the conservatives in iran and therefore they use it sometimes for political reasons to undermine their own opponents so what you respond to that well the government has been very smart and successful in putting there in blaming others for what is going on in this country politically economically. socially you name it whatever it is the i.r.g.c. it is true that it is in charge of the consumption projects of this country but they don't have access to two u.s. dollar which is the central issue and it is controlled by the government by the government that is you know that is in charge of you know the balancing the value of national currency against us dollar which by the way has been has gone through the roof over the past six years or so so that is just one of the things that we should keep in mind but the blame game here you know blaming this and that or at
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least in this protest or that process is not going to fix our country i think we have to start asking the government to kick out some of those incompetent cabinet members that don't know what to do they are just as i said because of their money they don't have any expertise their own do only have political affiliations and financial affiliations to do interest groups around them and they don't give a damn about people let's not blame the i.r.g.c. or the hardliners the hardliners don't have a lot of power anymore they don't have even budget because the government doesn't have enough money to pay them how can you say if the people are out there they have every right to. say because under that theory how can you say they don't have power when every single commentator of the iranian political life knows that they have absolutely the ultimate say over politics in iran the problem is not you see or the hardliners the problem is those who are taking advantage of the chaos that we are now in using you know u.s. sanctions to. smuggle goods into the country to steal and smuggle oil and gas or
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whatever else is outside the country one of the many things there is going on here i think this is a huge mafia they are all together they are using these politicizing everything you know to make money and they will give a damn about people as i said people have every right against run of the uprising against unemployment and the snow is on produce anything anymore and the government has to take. responsibility before things get out ok and. we have a fundamental problem when it comes to discussing the iranian politics the issue of factionalism is quite overblown so you know we tend to think of iran of having you know different factions of the leads one being the reformist or the centrist that are now seem to be in power on the other hand we see the right wing conservatives and populists but in reality both factions are in the same boat and they are for the survival of the islamic republic as
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a system so they have more common ground than differences and the prime example of this is are the budgets of president rouhani because they give also a lot of money to his so-called opponents so for example the i.r.g.c. has seen you know massive increases in in funds and also other so-called religious foundations or have also benefited from the budget hearing of president rouhani so all this talk of factionalism is quite overblown and at the end of the day all factions sit in the same boat and this boat is called survive it's been quite interesting element. that during the protests people were saying stop interfering into the affairs of other countries we don't care about yemen syria or palestine you should care more about us here in iran how significant is this this can turn this art cry from the average iranians it is very. simply
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at the same time but what we heard yesterday and today it's not anything new more or less. similar slogans. no no to leaven or no to intervention here and there in the middle east so more attention to what is happening at home so. despite the fact that of course we haven't heard anything like beef at these in the major public demonstration since one thousand and nine but what was said yesterday and today you know where it's not new in any sense of the term and the other part of the point that i need to raise because we've been talking about political factions and and your first guest there accurately said that actually when it comes to a kind of division survival borth the conservatives and reformists have
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a lot in common and actually what happened in a month ago there was a big important and kind of telling at the same time which could kind of make us understand what is happening right now and the level of tension and the level of abundant realty that their division basic level in months ago there was a kind of there was an earthquake in in chairman sharp and in the matter of if you want our as we sort this kind of incredible national mobilization kind of moralize each one you know i think in order to respond to that problem because the fault here is the little trust exists between government and the civil society i think the give up being gave up on can at the state institutions in order to address it just a problem and the actual celebrities like football is as the people who could be kind of the bridge between what the country butte what they do in a day and those people at b. if i see your point in in can once imus said there do there is
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a way of asking the question about the. people being very critical of the foreign intervention is that it's an intervention of the comes at a huge price because you need to spend money to maintain regimes in syria in yemen and also in different parts of of the region and people basically have been using slogan anti establishment anti or hani and also anti. so how. how how serious is this discontent taken by the by the establishment let's not kerik get carried away with the politicized ition of the situation there would always be some people who would try to take advantage of the situation to politicize matters i'm and i'm afraid they have been successful in doing that for the past two days or so we have similar protests taking place across the across the globe when things get tough in the economy when people cannot make ends meet but the only difference there and here is that they don't politicize matters here they are trying to politicize these kind of things and i'm afraid that i think i have to make it absolutely clear that
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you don't have every right to protect them and support its allies in the region for the simple fact that if we don't defeat. al qaeda and other terrorist groups in places like syria yemen and iraq did we will have to be we will have to fight them here in the capital we have to fight them here because they will be here so it pays when you it pays off when you spend money on your own national security those who are trying to to question the presence of iran in these countries don't have any idea what terrorist groups like dias could do to ok so iran has every right to send their weapons and spend money in order to protect itself and its own borders here u.s. president donald trump has long been critical of iran's government he says the world is watching how iran responds to the demonstrations in a tweet he says there are many reports of peaceful protests by iranian citizens fed up with the regime's corruption and its squandering of the nation's wealth to fund
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terrorism abroad he added that the iranian government should respect their people's rights including the why to express themselves. you've heard the statement from president trump and we know that trump is yet to certify by me generally if iran is complying with with the nuclear deal you know that the american position itself has to. many problems for the for the international investors and also for the iranian economy because no one is excited about going out to iran to invest to what extent the american factor has been very quick to call in destabilizing and under by the iranian economy. let me first say a few one thing about the combination of international and domestic slogans that were chanted throughout the protests and i think a lot of iranians are more critical of the version that iran presents when it comes to foreign intervention particularly in syria when and when it comes to supporting
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the assad regime and i think what iran is doing in syria is far beyond fighting terrorism and it's actually supporting a dictatorship and i think a lot of iranians do understand that they don't want to see so much bloodshed also from the iranian side you know so much money billions of dollars being spent on those adventures on what president trump has tweeted is a disservice to the iranian people and you know i mean mr trump is certainly not a torchbearer of democracy by any accounts and any kind of you know so-called support for the you know iranian citizens rights protest is sheer hypocrisy when it comes to the decertification or the sort of the certification that is probably going to happen by mid january. to be accompanied by the and of sanctions relief from the u.s.
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side so and this would put the entire nuclear deal on the verge of survival on the verge of collapse. so we'll see if we're going to see a lot of economic sanctions but when it comes to the current problems of iran so we have also to look at the governor's economic policies the reason why i'm asking the question about the american factor mr shays basically the iranian government saying that we have fulfilled our commitments when it comes to the thousand two. fifty nuclear deal however the americans are back stabbing us by threatening to do certify by putting more pressure on the international donors and investors to come along and invest in iran to work to what extent this is very accurate statement by the iranian government. i mean this is a completely different issue but what is important that we need to kind of. beer in mind that over the last year or so message from single handedly has
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contributed immensely to dissent and a new wave or anti americanism among various segments of iranian civil society and one of the main factors behind this new sense or anti anti american sense is basically tranced i do look to an approach to basically. one plus five and of course there are definitely some shortcomings when it comes to economic policy then economic development by the government of mr romney but at the same time we should not completely ignore the international dimension or the last two years the government this that it has been trying to kind of invite more international investors when it comes to kind of the energy sector where they had a degree. success but given current american kind of antagonism towards iran and given what is happening right now in in washington iran has not become a big part of attractive and distillation of spot for international investment so
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of course we have to a scrutinize kind of the current oks of the government when it comes in from a development but this international dimension and the tramp back there is equally important to all let us have a better understanding of the current economy and how things will evolve mr duty i mean over the last forty eight hours we've seen many people basically drawing some parallels between these protests and the two thousand and nine green movement to what extent this is really true. i think this is overblown exaggerated let's not get carried away people have every right to demonstrate and ask for some answers from the government and the government is responsible to to to to to act on them and fix and meet their legitimate demands you know like creating jobs keeping prices down and this kind of influence inflationary you know things that are happening in our economy but at the end of the day these are just small people mall
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groups of people or that are protesting at the same time some people are so true are trying to politicize this kind of. the situation but it has nothing to do with the two thousand and nine post election on race and everything to do with people who are legitimate demands to have a you know a simple life that they can go and work and make money and make ends meet that is not illegal the government should stop this thing these people should stop blaming others the government should start acting on on what people are wanting which is you know i see a point in good life good living standard ok. you want to sort of the comparison to the green movement in less than twenty seconds please so that the green boomers failure was not least because of the fact that they did not address the social question and now the social question is out there on the streets and the demands to be seen if it can be organized thank you thank you very much indeed. d.d. and afshin thank you very much indeed for your contribution and thank you too for
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