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stepping up peace efforts in yemen the un's attempts to revive talks to end the three year civil war find support from key players but what will it take to stop the vicious cycle of violence death disease and hunger in one of the world's poorest countries this is inside story. hello welcome to the program i'm adrian for the get the un's last attempt a few weeks ago to bring the warring sides in yemen to the table failed but who didn't make it to geneva blaming travel problems but the u.n. special envoy martin griffiths refuses to give up but he's hopeful that new talks

could not take place of zeros but at smith reports. so yemen's foreign minister khalid money says his government is prepared to recognize the who is this as a political movement through a democratic process he says but what his government is not prepared to accept is the who thinks becoming the yemeni equivalent of a lebanese group hezbollah hezbollah is a heavily armed rainin backed group in lebanon and it holds considerable influence over political life in lebanon and you know and they're going to frequent with a show of the yemeni government made many concessions during the consultations include wait but there are a red line that cannot be crossed like not allowing in yemen what is happening in lebanon where a party like hezbollah creates hurdles in the political process now loom can and the government could accept the hooty this is a political movement within the political community in the country through a democratic process that reflects their true size and the foreign minister he's

tweeted analog august tweeted that he fully supports un proposals for new talks soon the u.s. troops are fighting alongside yemeni government forces and the u.n. special envoy for yemen he says that he's convinced the truth is are also prepared to talk so the priority now for martin griffiths is to get all sides around the table as soon as possible. it's going to be within weeks i don't think we can allow it to be delayed until kind of over the horizon because the problem with that is and i've been reassured this week between people here in new york that people lose the narrative of peace and once you lose the opportunity to talk about the settlement the narrative of war becomes dominant and that's what we was trying to get away from for now though the fighting on the air strikes continue since june much of those airstrikes have been centered around the strategically important port of the data yemen remains blockaded at sea by the u.n.

is warning that the country is on the verge of an already there are reports of children dying from malnutrition and this is a conflict where at least twenty thousand people have been killed since the fighting began. well it reminds you of previous u.n. attempts to get the warring parties in yemen together the first round of talks was held in geneva in june twenty eighth fifteen three months after the saudi led coalition entered the conflict but that meeting collapsed after yemen's government in exile accused toothy representatives of refusing to meet them later that same year the u.n. managed to organize to go see a sions that lasted for six days they agreed a mass prisoner swap but nothing else of significance fast forward to kuwait in april twenty sixth and that's the last time the sides actually met but after one hundred eight days the talks ended with no agreement. let's bring in our guests for

today's discussion from london we're joined by andreas create an assistant professor at the defense studies department at king's college london from sanaa is hussein. affairs analyst and journalist and from bristol. a political commentator and lecturer at the city of bristol college gentlemen welcome to you all address let's start with you as we heard bernard smith say that yemen's foreign minister has said that his government could accept the who these as a political movement through a democratic process that highlights their true size but that the who these wouldn't be allowed to become like lebanon's hezbollah there are red lines that cannot be crossed he said does that get us anywhere if and when the peace talks resume. right i mean for the time being i think these are not peace talks per se i think the first talks will be about a ceasefire because the war still ongoing i think peace talks will come after there is an established ceasefire and some sort of agreement of where this peace talks could actually lead the various parties the issue generally is with the yemeni

foreign minister or the yemeni government the officially recognized government is that it doesn't have that much leverage and it's actually not one of the most important players and yemen in many ways it's a puppet or a surrogate of the u.a.e. and saudi arabia so they don't really make decisions on their own it is a good sign to that they are eggs or at least a willingness to accept the who these or answer are law as a political movement and political party that is part of the process because that was one of the things one of the contentious issues that for a very long time they moralities in the saudis have rejected to accept that actually they were these are part of yemen and they should be part of any political process that comes after the war the issue however is and that that will be long term the people the peace process will be to determine what is actually the actual weight of the who are these in yemen and what is the kind of size that is proportionate to the kind of the kind of political and also public.

weight that they have within the country and that's very difficult to determine because obviously now the who these control large parts and some of the most important parts of yemen and you know we'll have to see whether this can be represented if you then say that i'm sort of allies actually something that comes just from the northern province or that the who these are not from the northern province and therefore only represented there and get only a fraction of the kind of political say that they want to have then this obviously is not going to be something the who these will be pleased about but i think this is for a later peace agreement to be determined i think first of all showing good faith goodwill in now from both parties to say actually we're willing to accept the other party and accept that the other party has an input in the hoodies particularly i think is a good sign and that there's a big. ginning to suggest also to the un that there is a willingness to talk right hussein alba katie an incident after the collapse of the geneva talks the crisis group accused who these of last minute gamesmanship that sent a clear message that they are not serious which confirmed the suspicions of the

coalition are the hooty is serious about peace in yemen. of course there are really a serious and we remember that they have accepted to go to the south of saudi arabia for talks as well to kuwait even though kuwait is a part of this coalition a war they did refuse to go to a country that has launched a war against them and about we know that the why it collapsed because. the delegates from sanaa what were not given any gun tease from the united nation for their safety and for their safe return and if you just let me mention that. previous caller told saudi arabia if used to let the yemeni. delegates to come back to sanaa and they were stuck in must cut. about seventy days so they really wanted to go to the stall today they accepted from the beginning but

what seems to be the problem that the saudi led coalition actually is you is in this kind of tolex to to to start a new operation or to start a new a new attack we know there was be a stall to before invasion or the attack of aden before the control of four morcha by the coalition forces before we have seen that the attack was conducted on a day that one of the last humanitarian line for the millions of yemeni so i don't and i think just to about what the government foreign minister have said about to accept the hoti if they will and he told about the democratic. election i mean you can talk about these things at this moment you have first if you want you have to look to yemeni civilians was damaged in yemeni civilians their military and cries in yemen you have to agree about a cease fire first and then you can. go to told anyone. some.

if martin griffiths the u.n. envoy manages to get these these peace talks together in as little as a few weeks he says ken the whities be trusted to honor any agreement that might be reached in such such peace talks. you know this is the questions in fact you know the hooty have and fact agreed in so many occasions to for their signatures but they fail to do so they are not to be trusted at all there are several you know agreements and initiatives being signed between the warring you know. teams or sides but the who is these have never ever implemented any one of them and the reason behind that is very clear because they are backed by the iranian regime the enemy of the arabs and especially that of in

the gulf countries and he cannot hoti they cannot take their own decisions that are on initiatives because they are in a doing that you know they are the proxies of the iranian regime and the other the and the other evidence is the the last you know geneva. talks were supposed to be carried out at that time and people all over the world were hoping that anything you know good will come out in a from that in a form that negotiation but unfortunately they abandoned they didn't turn up they didn't come and we were under the mr griffiths and the legitimate. government present as if we were there for three days and the who see didn't turn out why because they are they haven't got the you know they could in light from the from the from the to harare regime. you talked about iran there are saudi arabia and the

u.a.e. is sincere in their design it for a negotiated peace in yemen can they be trusted. if what they actually want is peace on their terms and to rid yemen of any iranian influence. no no this is not true i mean the piece the terms of the united nations resolution twenty two sixteen end of story and this is very clear why not the united nation or mr griffiths you know what cards to implement this your united nations resolution twenty two sixteen and the stand of the legitimate so you know governments and the allied forces i mean the. coalition that a coalition is ok the who you are not allowed to be in a two to control the whole yemen you are. a minority or you are in a part of the me yemenis people so if you want to get involved in the in the

political process you're most welcome but as a military as a militia ok as a militia armed by iran that their sole enemy of the out of snow this is not accepted. the arabs allied forces they will not accept at all that the who thing will become like cause by law in lebanon or the militias in iraq no way no way they want not accept that at all so it's very clear if you want to do if you want to make peace if you are you know your excuse is human to cherry and you know issues ok accept the twenty to sixty sit down and agree but the trouble is they are being used as a playing card by the air in the region ok and the upcoming battle for life with trump administration next sets of embargoes or embargoes

and the beginning of november ok address to what extent are we talking about the elephant in the room here where does iran and iranian influence play into the current conflict. huge i mean we have to what make one thing clear because of what i just heard from the previous speakers there's an air narrative of iran as the evil empire and you know this securitization of iran as the most. the most you know the most concerning threat to the world and this is a new conservative narrative that very well resonates with the current from administration in the white house and into something that the americans are pushing for across the region with the help of the saudi arabia the u.a.e. against the iranians and in that way the who these have long been stated and overstated as merely a militia that works for the iranians and that's simply not true or too simplistic if we look at it in reality is that the who these are an indigenous yemeni movement they have they have homegrown and they weren't built by the iranians but they have

received funding they've received training and then over the last couple of years actually have become a very extensive part of the iranian war in this on the on the arabian peninsula but that is only after they have really been established for many years so i would say in recent years we have to be very clear that this that the who these are very much only capable to fight with ballistic missiles because they have and fight in a very effective way in urban combat is because they have trainers from iran on the ground and they have had extensive support from iran however the who these do not need the iranians per se if there were these are being provided with an alternative some. not turn into where they get guarantees of security and where they can be part of a peace agreement where they get a seat on the table or i think that answer our laws or they who are these in general could be convinced to severe ties with the iranians because they don't need the rain is there for forced for and for first of foremost advancing the interest

of sadie's in the north particular group in the north and they have basically gone into that relationship with the reins because they thought it was beneficial now if there is no turnitin of their. shows that political lives in yemen would be more beneficial under a peace agreement and they would have to severely ran for that ties with iran for that they i think that would be very willing to do that also because both sides are something we have to highlight here both sides the coalition as well as there were these are in a merchant mutually hurting stalemate that's the say both of them understand that continuing this war as it stands today will hurt them more than a political settlement and i think that's why both sides are interested in it however it has to come with certain guarantees and that is the key problem if there are no guarantees i think though these will continue getting the funding and reach out to the iranians to get that funding but to continue with the narrative of saying the who these are merely an iranian proxy that has to be exterminated is not going to provide any solution to the conflict and i think that the coalition has

now understood that he said i'll come to you just a bit but first let me give some a right to reply here would u.s. pressure on iran. alter the outcome of any peace talks on yemen to what extent do the who these need iranian support do you think to maintain their hold on the country one hundred percent i mean i'm really surprised to hear this you know from my colleagues from london say that the hooty does not they don't depend on iran they depend on them hundred percent they are the proxies are for the ukrainians they can do anything without iran. the husband expert the brigades. so thoroughly the revolutionary guards of iran experts and even fighters they are in sauda they are in there they are among the who with these the who sees you knows firing missiles proceeding messias you know

to saudi arabia is with the help of the experts from iran so the who are in fact another brigade of the iranian revolutionary guard a simple as that they represent five percent of the of the emmys population so your question is the next november is going to be the end of the indian regime effect and the country believe it or not and under who theories there who says if they want to be to act and to be considered as yemenis under it but sent they have to act immediately on the stop fighting and and and and and you know surround notes around uglies in a pull out of amid the major cities agree to the table in a come to the table to the unit to these token table and say the only thing we need to be meant for a twenty to sixteen ok who say hussein you want you want to come in there who thinks of the promise of yemen they rely on the. proxy of iran i'm sorry they rely

on iran one hundred percent what's your response to that. i mean let's say if if what he said like is true about the proxy for iran and yemen the united arab emirates and saudi arabia is a proxy as well for the united states and united kingdom supplies the although our business from there the the world was declared from washington d.c. was not declared from saudi arabia to keep just blame in iran and iran and iran actually i mean look at this the bull blockade about forty years they controlled or yemen sky they destroyed all the airport control the sea. how can it run as you mentioned supply all this weapon so this means that you are blockade actually that you started to stop the flow of weapons as you meant to yemen has failed this mean that you are responsible for all do civilians that have died because of of the saudi led coalition in yemen and his believe his commitment he when he spoke about

that there was many agreement that has been signed with the holy but during the like the biggest piece told but they haven't like it kept the world he doesn't mention any agreement in kuwait they haven't signed anything the what was in kuwait was about they have the political process and they had the security process the saudi that coalition want to start with the security process asking the movement to hunt their weapons and they said then we will start of a political process no one is crazy will hunt is his weapons before before the before starting. a coalition government between between all parties in yemen and what the saudi actually need in yemen they want i think three they want agreement. and we have seen what the saudis have done we would have said i guess that you an. expert report they refuse this report and they even say that we are not going to deal with the with with the with the u n x better to

anymore so they just want a port or of peace. all called anything that is in favor of this over the lead led coalition war in yemen if the united states and the united kingdom actually has not supported this already i don't think they could have even started the war in yemen on is it really silly for someone to ask these which is yemeni to withdraw from cities why we have a for a kind of foreign invasion the that's why they call it so do you that coalition is not a civil war is a coalition made from one of the most dictatorship country and the region who want to be in a state democracy in yemen who can believe that address i know you want to come back on that we're rapidly running out of time here. i want to ask you would a peace deal between the who sees and yemen's government in the country's civil war and i know you said the first of all we're going to achieve a cease fire but if it got as far as a peace deal could that bring about an end to the civil war and to what extent is

the u.s. exacerbating the situation in yemen right now. a lot of questions there i mean first of all yes i said what we need is a ceasefire and this will be a ceasefire between the saudi and u.a.e. coalition the hard the government and the who are these only and that is one war of many wars that are going on in yemen at the moment one big elephant in the room that we haven't spoken about is the southern movement is the s.t.c. are the various proxies of the emirate is in the south they have their own lives have their own objectives and are pursuing their own agenda which for the most part is very much secessionist that when itself will create and will continue to pose a problem as we move along and if we don't address that then a peace deal between the who these and the hard the government and the coalition might bring peace or a somewhat a settlement in the north but will create a whole bunch of other spoilers in the same way that the who these have been spoilers to in

a sense to two thousand and twelve you know when the who these drew withdrew from the from the two thousand and twelve from the national dialogue they became spoilers to the conflict the only reason they expanded and were actually able to receive support and also used the military action to gain control of territory was because they were not included in the peace deal afterwards they were excluded and that created the problem now when we have a peace deal now or a peace project or a peace negotiations and we leave all these other actors around in the east and then the south out of this process you're never going to create an inclusive process for yemen and i think that is going to be one of the major problem ok a lot of states as far as that the united states is concerned i mean it with continued arm sales to saudi arabia the u.a.e. u.a.e. and by certifying as it did recently that the coalition is meeting the requirements of the national defense or the reservation act. as the crisis group says sending the wrong message at the wrong time they mean that the the coalition can continue

to act with impunity. yes because it's part of a war over narratives against iran they have framed the yemen conflict as a war against iran and i think that is misleading because the yemeni war will continue with or without the iranians and so the problem is that the americans are giving support to a coalition that is so far has been has been has been attacked for war crimes and have you know we've got all kinds of evidence for that and a coalition that doesn't seem to so doesn't seem to pursue until now a political process so i think the americans have to put pressure and the reason that alger bear and all the other g.c.c. countries particularly saudi in the u.a.e. are now willing to talk about the political process in yemen is because the trouble ministration has made it clear that they will have to see a change on the ground in the way they conduct themselves because there's a lot of pressure from congress and also obviously in europe a lot of pressure from the public asking questions of why are we continuously supporting the saudis and the moralities when they don't stand and stick by

international humanitarian law and i think this kind of pressure is now felt in riyadh and up with envy and that's why i think partially they're trying to come around but so far we have it's all talk we haven't seen any action on the ground because the walk continues and so far there is no sign that there will be any political process gentlemen them afraid we must leave it many thanks to work to all of you for being with us address creek hussein the casey and son cause i had a swiss thank you for watching you can see the program again at any time just by going to the web site al jazeera dot com for further discussion about topics today going to our facebook page should find it at facebook dot com forward slash a.j. inside story and you can join the conversation on twitter handle at a.j. inside story for me adrian sort of the whole team here and we'll see you can buy from my.

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