as you mentioned sources telling al-jazeera that they have informed washington of their findings and again reiterating these anonymous sources that they know that they are certain that the journalist was killed in the consulate behind us and they even went to far as saying they know the room in which this was done again we have no evidence we have no officials going on camera but i think this is part of a wider pattern of anger using the media to get their message out of what they think happened to the germans is of course an incredibly serious allegations
horrendous allegations if you look at the specifics and what turkey's been waiting for is to be allowed in initially saudi had agreed at the moment from what we understand they've been more difficult this new information now according to the president's spokesperson that a joint working group has been set up between saudi and turkey does this mean that will be seeing them go in anytime soon we'll have to wait and see but just be worth reiterating stephanie as you point out the lack of evidence the only thing we truly know for certain is that he went into the building using it is there anything else
that ever been confirmed. absolutely that as a journalist our jobs are to verify things and facts and this is also a story that is so politically loaded on all sides that you question everything but the turks what they've been doing and you'll see it using turkish media using international media using the major american publications the washington post which of course was the paper that jamal khashoggi contributed to as an as a as an opinion editor of the new york times and we've now through all of those
gotten a picture of what turkey believes happened but when it comes to facts and the only thing that we can verify and we've seen pictures and we know is that he walked into that consulate nine days ago and he's never left that the saudis men tain that he did leave but they say that the cameras weren't working so we tried the turkish president say well if you say that show us you can just get away with it show us the video and we haven't seen that and also we've had. this sort of danusia of
information over the last forty eight hours of leaks the saudis have had no reaction they have mentation quiet lot of people will tell you well why didn't the saudis just prove he's alive why did they show where he is if it is indeed that they haven't because the saudis say they do but i think a lot of people looking at the information that has been leaked and very concerned that something extremely serious has happened inside that consulate but again come all you know there has been no evidence no officials have gone on camera i think that also highlights just how sensitive this is politically because once you have an official statement of something that they know happened inside is serious is that there have to be political measures taken potentially against saudi arabia i think this is something that is still being discussed between turkey between saudi arabia between the united states help things quite extraordinary isn't it stephanie decker outside the saudi consulate in istanbul thank you the rest of the day's news coming up here on al-jazeera the cost of essential medicine on the rise in zimbabwe you made a growing economic crisis. hello
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days we are seeing the storm making its way closer to the coast of oman and yemen and there is our map right there on friday brings a very heavy rain across the region so on saturday the rain will be affecting parts of the law we do think here in eastern yemen will see rain as well and of course in this part of the world that means flash flooding is going to be a major problem and then very quickly down here towards the southern parts of africa we are seeing mostly clear conditions across much of the area temps wise looks like this with durban about twenty two and rain in your forecast. since its inception in one thousand nine hundred sixty one the kuwait fund has been supporting people's livelihoods in over one hundred countries by funding projects in an array of sectors. ranging from infrastructure to health and education. these initiatives ultimately help to eradicate poverty. and promote
sustainable development. the headlines for you here on al-jazeera the turkish government has told al-jazeera it has definitive evidence about what they're calling the killing of saudi journalist jamal khashoggi and the location where he died also cite that information has been shared with washington. as president donald trump meanwhile says there's no reason to block saudi arabian investments in the united states despite concerns over. he says he's expecting a report soon on just. a bipartisan group of u.s.
senators triggered an official probe into the case and he was last seen entering the saudi consulate in istanbul nine days ago turkey's foreign minister says he's open to cooperated with riyadh to investigate what happened if saudi officials are willing to receive. more from laura birdman the now is taking a look at what we know so far about the investigation. saudi journalist jamal khashoggi ended his country's consolation istanbul last tuesday that's the last time he was seen turkish sources have told media outlets they believe he was killed inside saudi officials say he left the building before he vanished here's what we know so far turkey's daily newspaper subpar publish the movements of saudi nationals that arrived in istanbul on board to private jets their own by sky primary ation a company used by saudis the first jet carried nine men while the second had six on board there was a total of seven crew on board both planes the fifteen men booked four nights in
hotels close the saudi consulate in istanbul however they left turkey on the same day just a few hours after they arrived turkish authorities say six vehicles including four minivans with tinted windows left the consulate two and a half hours after she entered the vehicles drove to the consul's residence only two hundred meters away where they stayed for four hours turkish officials believe she was transported in one of the six vehicles on their departure the first group left assemble airport and flew to cairo while the second headed to dubai turkey security services and police are searching for the mini vans that drove from the consulate building hoping there will be a link to solving the mystery of disappearance laura but i'm only al-jazeera two other news in russia is suspending manned space launches to the international
space station until the course of a rocket failure is investigated. there is lift up diesel use in tin to the international space station carrying an american astronaut and a russian cosmonaut were forced to make what is called a ballistic reentry by parachute when the russian soyuz rocket aborted blast off they survived an enormous g. force during their emergency landing in towns extern or a challenge with more from moscow in the wake of this catastrophic accident on board the soyuz rockets russia has launched two investigations we have a commission that is basic green set up to investigate what exactly happens on this launch and why it went wrong but then the russian any investigative committee has also launched a criminal investigation into the construction of the rocket which i think indicates how seriously russia is taking this at the moment and how much it wants to assure its partners in nasa that the soyuz is
a safe and reliable vehicle for delivering people into space because the moment it is the only means by which people can get up to the international space station since nasa retired its space shuttle program several years ago this particular incident seems to taken place about one hundred nineteen seconds after the launch where it appears there was some sort of booster failure which meant that the capsule that the two men were in had to then make what's called a ballistic descent a billet reentry they came back down on a parachute landing about six hundred kilometers away from the initial launch site they are both ok it seems that is something to be thankful for because this is a space incident that could well have resulted in for talent seize on this
particular incident it didn't. florida is counting the cost of one of the strongest hurricanes ever to hit the united states hurrican michael which tore roofs off homes pulled trees in the ground and caused widespread flooding eight hundred thousand homes have the rector a city supplies cut michael has now been downgraded to a tropical storm as it moves to georgia and gallegos in the coastal city of apalachicola well as night fell here on wednesday it was difficult for us to get a picture of how much devastation hurricane michael has caused but it's a clear picture now on thursday and it really looks like panama city and next door mexico beach got up saluted devastated by this storm they were in the eye of the storm that's where it came ashore and it looks like tornadoes hit those communities and not a hurricane we've seen roofs ripped off schools absolutely leveled hospitals of being evacuating patients is a very serious situation in that specific area here in apalachicola we're on the more powerful side of the storm the damage is limited but getting around is almost
impossible because you have situations like this where there are downed trees downed power cables all over the place eight hundred thousand people without power across this state and states north of here so this is a very serious situation and hard for the emergency services to get to the places they are now most needed. an american student has appeared in and israeli courts to appeal against the decision to bar her access to the country over her political act as a. partly of palestinian heritage has been detained since arriving at tel aviv airport on the second of october she'd already secured a student visa and a place that one of israel's top universities are a force that reports from occupied history. after nine days in detention lara custom was given a glimpse of the intense interest her cases generated the twenty two year old has been denied entry to israel since her arrival at tel of you there port the israeli government says while studying in florida she led her university branch of the
boycott divestment and sanctions movement which advocates economic and cultural measures against israel she says she's no longer an active member to minister the strategic appears together with the minister of interior have decided that p.d.s. is not about actions it's not about attitudes to that thought. he thought that it's unfortunate that in the israeli democracy. we have two ministers here say if you believe in p.d.f. . and if you think it's legitimate you have no right to our custom had been accepted for a master's course in transitional justice at jerusalem's hebrew university she'd obtained the necessary visa ahead of time the university has joined her appeal in the israeli court laro a customs legal team argues that there is an inconsistency in the government case that an active campaigner for an organization that advocates boycotting israeli academic institutions would hardly pay one to come and study on its campus her case
is the latest of several incidents of detention and deportation involving left wing activists and commentators in july jewish american activist ariel gold was deported despite possessing a student visa over alleged prove b.d.'s activities in august left wing u.s. journalist peter beinart who's advocated boycotting products from. legal west bank settlements was detained and questioned on his way into the country it's concerned even diehard supporters of israel in the u.s. two leading such voices arguing in the new york times this week that israel should welcome b.d.s. activists without restriction the israeli government however says a qassam will only be allowed into the country if she publicly repudiates the movement we looking at how should we make sure you believe that most accounts to meet the criteria of peace time are actually in the actions of the organization of which she was a senior leader of the over several years of our custom says she would publicly condemn the b.d.s. movement but neither will she advocate for it if allowed to study in israel the
course starts on sunday ari force it out or syria occupied east jerusalem police in tanzania are investigating the abduction of one of the nation's richest men in the former capital city dar salaam forty three year old mohammed ji is africa's youngest billionaires with around one and a half billion dollars as head of a multi-national group of businesses he's also a former politician and a noted philanthropist there gee was snatched by gunmen as he entered a hotel gym the i.m.f. and the world bank of approved plans for zimbabwe to pay back more than two billion dollars in debt it's a vital step to secure new loans to revive the economy the government recently imposed a tax on bank transactions it's been blamed for raising prices this is affecting the health sector and a number of businesses have been closed while authorities have also banned protests organized by the trade unions because of a cholera epidemic as well has more from harare. union leaders were in they office
preparing to organize for this march this protest riot police showed up and they told them they cannot have the march because of a ban on public gatherings because of cholera the police arrested several people in harare and other parts of the country and they've been charged and we are also told that some people point human rights lawyers that some people were beaten really badly by the police is a worrying sign of human rights violations on the ground say some of those ways represent the people who've been arrested another concern for the violence of course is the poor state of the economy things just seem to be getting worse speak to most and tell you remember two thousand and eight we don't want to go back to those days with shortages in shops we lined up for days just to get fuel right now people are waiting for hours in lines to buy fuel when they get to the shop to buy groceries are limited to one item per person that's wonderful bread one pint of milk those who can afford it and are driving to south africa zambia mozambique to try and cross the border to get groceries and come back inside the country but of course for the poor that is not an option halting the illegal trade in wildlife
protecting some of the world's biggest. story is the main aim of a summit in london it's estimated the global wildlife trafficking market is worth up to twenty three billion dollars a year for transnational crime after drugs weapons and human trafficking illegal poaching has forced a number of exotic species to the brink of extinction. conference in months. across the globe there's a war raging assaults ring of wildlife like never before the enemy criminal syndicates the water the killings that will this an all too familiar scene across africa elephants killed tusks hacked off and spirited away to be turned into trinkets and pseudo medicine for the asian market. thousands of miles away from the killing fields in london such atrocities of focusing minds one thousand delegates
from eighty two nations determined to step up the battle. there. is three ways we could us top that t.v. we've got a video quality we're going to stop the trafficking which that response speech but the demand side is on the international markets sold these conferences when that stops perhaps the keating would use of course is not just the elephant take the wild tiger there's been a ninety five percent decline in numbers in the past one hundred years today there are fewer than four thousand left in the wild a thousand royal knows a slaughtered every year one point three million birds are taken from the wild in southeast asia alone i merely then there's a shot for in trade the pet trade baby chimpanzees in iran and times being sold taken from their mothers who are often killed in the process the list goes on and on. and now many say the trade needs to be treated in the same way as major
organized crime like the drugs trade and human trafficking wildlife crime is organized crime organized crime undermines the rule of law is on the minds governments we see a situation where governments are deprived of revenue from economic activity that their legitimate plea entitled to because it all goes under the counter we see enforcement officers including rangers being killed in the course of their juicy communities are being threatened. since nine hundred seventy there's been a breathtaking fifty eight percent decline in wildlife numbers around the world if the killings continue at this rate experts say all future generations will see at once rich global biodiversity will be behind bars in a zoo nicholas al-jazeera london. so the top stories for you here on al-jazeera the turkish government has told us that it has definitive evidence about what they are calling the killing of saudi
journalist. jamal khashoggi and also the location they say that information has been shared with washington but u.s. president has also said there's no reason to block saudi arabian investments in the united states despite the concern over khashoggi from speaking to reporters at the white house also said the u.s. was expecting a report soon on the job. well look at that very strongly we'll be having a report where working with turkey we're working with saudi arabia what happened is a terrible thing assuming that happened i mean maybe we'll be pleasantly surprised but somehow i tend to doubt it and we take it very seriously it's not our country it's in turkey and it's not a citizen as a standard but a thing like that should happen it is a reporter with the washington post. something like that should not be allowed to happen something like that should not happen and we intend to get to the bottom of it now the headlines russia spend suspending the manned space launches to the
international space station until the calls of a rocket failures investigated and there is lift off. to the international space station here in american astronaut and russian cosmonaut were forced to make what's called a ballistic re-entry by parachute when the rocket aborted its blastoff they survived enormous g. forces during their emergency landing in kazakhstan. florida is counting the cost of one of the strongest hearkens ever to hit the united states michael tore roofs off homes pulled trees from the ground and caused widespread flooding eight hundred thousand homes had the real tricity supplies cut michael has now been downgraded to a tropical storm as it moves to georgia. and the i.m.f. and the world bank of approved their plans for zimbabwe to pay back more than two billion dollars in debt it's a vital step to secure a new loans to revive the economy the government recently imposed a tax on bank transactions that has been blamed for raising prices it's also affected the health sector and
a number of businesses have been forced to close that's a look at your headlines here on opposite bank with the news hour right after inside story. an unexpected crisis that's putting a strain on relations between key allies what will the u.s. to be on an investigation it's announced the missing saudi journalist democracy showed you and how will we fend off the widespread outrage over the allegations that the saudi critic was killed on its own this is inside story.
welcome to the program on iran come on u.s. senators have forced the government into joining the investigation into the disappearance of saudi journalist jamal khashoggi it was last seen entering the saudi consulate in istanbul nine days ago turkish security sources say he was murdered there by a saudi hit squad the saudis deny that as well as a washington post report which says the saudi crown prince ordered an operation to law the critic back home will get all guests very soon but first particle hand reports from washington. well you know i know nothing right and i know what everybody else knows nothing in just twenty four hours u.s. president donald trump went from no one knows what happened to jamal khashoggi to we need to find out we demanding everything we want to see what's going on here it's a bad situation it's a very serious situation for us for this way we do see. what is
going on now will be the subject of an official investigation after twenty two senators sent this letter to the white house invoking the magnitsky act it gives the administration four months to determine if the show g.'s human rights were violated and if so by law they will have to place sanctions potentially on people high up in the saudi government the outcry is bipartisan and growing and that this man was murdered in the saudi consulate in istanbul that would cross every line of the malady in the international community. if it did happen it would be held if saudi arabia took a us resident emerging into a consulate and killed him it's time for the united states to rethink our military political and economic relationship with saudi arabia the president has been eager to forge a relationship with the leadership of saudi arabia heralded tens of billions of dollars in defense deals but with reports that many of those have not come through
the president will be under increasing pressure to target saudi arabia he's not alone just about six months ago the crown prince mohammed bin solomon toured america meeting the most powerful people in the country all now being urged on social media to condemn him. and for the president it is about to get personal after fiance wrote this opinion piece in the washington post urging action the president said he'll meet her at the white house soon this was a day that saw the president speak out small public protests in washington d.c. in new york that drew a lot of media attention and angry senators demanding action all signs that for saudi arabia this is not going to go away any time soon patty calling al-jazeera washington. let's bring in our guests joining us from washington is sana chaps he's the director of the turkish research program with the washington institute for near
east policy here with me in the studio is abraham he's an associate professor of conflict resolution at the doha institute and finally in washington d.c. is that he's the director of the gulf affairs institute and a former political prisoner of saudi arabia welcome to you all i'd like to start with let's get into this senate investigation that's been announced what is that and does it have any clout. well i think where it is heading is that in turkey the government that is the security forces are slowly but steadily real releasing information to build a case that. game aimed at indeed had been murdered and i think the turkish president that's aired on his state out of this so far because in my view he's still trying to avoid a direct confrontation with saudi arabia he's also trying to line u.s. position with the turkish position i think of course reports in international media suggesting and using turkish evidence to build
a case that because you can may have been murdered there is closely aligning washington increasingly more with turkish position turkey is isolated in the middle east with the exception of qatar it has no friends it doesn't want to go into a long and drawn out conflict with saudi arabia without heavy u.s. backing first but let me just say if this is this much anger over what's happened particularly in america through the media and within some parts of the u.s. government how does it get how do you they get out of this i mean is this a a a fine roll call for the crown prince does he have to step aside that's hard to say but i think that it's also not clear that turkish president on and u.s. president trump are completely getting along right now you know that they're involved in a dispute over the arrest of a u.s. pastor in turkey baster brunson in fact his court cases coming up tomorrow and whether or not the courts release him and allow them to travel of course will have a significant impact on how u.s.
president trump fused turkish president on the two cases are completely unrelated but as it happens i think that these two issues are not intertwined so i think tomorrow you might see a more clear signal from the white house if turkish courts make a decision that president trump feels favorable let me just bring in abraham fried hit the regional implications of all of this you have two very big plays in the middle east of saudi arabia you have turkey what does to do next if it is confirmed that he was murdered in the consulate what options does it have. well i agree with your a guest from washington actually the president of the gun does not have many options here it's no easy options for him here he has obviously to to do something to take a decision regarding this specially that if this is proved to be the case that. in fact kidnapped the. consulate so there's no way that you know for him in terms of credibility and positioning and the word that to just take no action
whatsoever at the same time there are the choices are with with fighting or struggling with saudi arabia it's not in his favor because with all the other issues that he has on his plate it would syria. russia the united states all of that so i think at the end of the day he will have to do something because if he doesn't then it was it's about national pride it's about dignity it's about sovereignty over his country so i think what he would have to do this stage is that to ensure that he has an international backing and i think that's why we're seeing that that is him not they can go let me bring in our head let's just talk quickly about the case itself intelligence sources in washington have told the washington post that they have evidence of a plot. being created to capture jamal khashoggi what is n.b.s.
thinking is he looks so close to the trumpet ministration that he thinks he can get away with almost anything. that is in part through not only m.b.'s but other member leaders saudi leaders for many years the u.s. has basically whitewashed saudi leaders called the reformers and no matter how horrendous they do it in the case of yemen for example just you know a couple weeks ago the state department defended saudi targeting of children and that bus that forty children were killed so that's true but here we might see a diversion a little bit of b.s. i think is going his own wings and maybe want to be independent and you can see what mr trump's been saying the past few days basically publicly shaming king solomon and asking for money that if you don't pay you can and you will not survive two weeks and so on so this is i think an indication of
a silent confrontation and the murder of a. gave the trumpet station and the washington elites to increase the pressure so this could be also related to something else that we haven't we don't know yet about could be about the deal with the with israel the so-called the deal of the century because m.b.'s has not delivered and many of his. main promises of. he's talked about so this this could be the real reason in terms of turkey the saudis are threatening. again think that they will sever relations with the turks issued a statement through his ago that the total rumors of saudi arabia severing relations with turkey are not true but this is very. suspicious because nobody was saying that so they was they were trying to send a message and the way the operation has been conducted their planes the two planes flew from stumbled with. the carried the kill team one flew to
egypt and we flew to the u.a.e. because turkey. is housing dissidents from the u.a.e. muslim brotherhood dissidents. saudi dissident islamists mostly so maybe you have here. and alliance between turkey between saudi arabia egypt and against turkey and maybe three of them with several ations i expect that and fact because on today just bring in your senator i want this you just mentioned earlier about the you know trade between the u.s. and saudi arabia is worth billions of dollars fifty five billion dollars sales alone in two thousand and eighteen you know how do you reset that relationship off to something like this does the money talk louder than politics. it does but this could be a major public diplomacy debacle for the saudis as turkey slowly releases evidence
showing that indeed there may have been a plot to assassinate or kill. and i think that turkey really maybe does not also want to go into a full confrontation with the saudis or no one is aware of his limitations he's also deferential to the saudi kings he respects them as the protector of islam's holiest mosques in the past for example when saudi king says that encore of the turkish capital early on in violation of diplomatic protocol went to visit them in their hotel room this never happens in ankara visiting heads of state go to anyone's residence or palace to visit him and he did the opposite so he shows respect to them and i think he really does not want to rupture in my view one of the reasons why he has been completely absent and not blame the saudi royal family but let his unnamed security officials do the job is because not only he tries to avoid a confrontation with the saudis but also because they're trying to give him a graceful exit out he was hoping that the royal family would issue a declaration and saying something like that the rogue elements of the saudi state
did this and they have nothing to do with it but in the absence of such statements i think he is now being forced to release more and more evidence and that will only build a case in the us starting with the u.s. congress there are these some talk of legislation for sanctions related to the. suggested murders. and this could also of course push the administration to take stronger measures so i think we are not at an universal moment i think turkey is still hoping that the saudis will take the graceful exit out but if not to we could soon enter into a territory where we could see a rupture in turkish saudi relations and that we did first time or the most severe crisis in my in recent memory as far as i can recall in turkish saudi ties let me bring in britain here a graceful exit that's what you just said a graceful. is it we've not seen the saudis handle this very well the statements that they've issued have been the camera wasn't working we don't know where it is
it's always like the dog ate my homework it's in the it's excuses rather than any kind of concrete evidence of providing or do you think they're handling it badly and why is that well i think so far it has been handled very poorly on the south side because the whole reason that has been given so far that he left after twenty minutes the cameras were not recording this is not convincing for anyone and this is actually what frustrated the american positions even feel that on this because we are seeing many phone calls from course not from pompeii you including from trump himself calling again asking for answers and for informations but again and again the only thing that we are hearing is that the chemicals were not according i think this is not helping solve any and this is not helping the cause at all because also it's not helping go to the gun as to try to work out a solution on his own it's not helping the united states either because we are
seeing that increasing pressure within the senate house including lately that twenty two senators asking for requiring actually a chance to launch an investigation and magnus the human rights account. you know. so for this reason i think we are we are getting we are pushing or the absence of saudi as it is pushing the crisis to new levels and move fishbowls because keep it let's keep in mind in the united states there has been already huge of frustrations over how saudi arabia is handing gehman and why are we taking the liability of the saudi government and now it's not only a man but also. you know this issue of the do which is frustrating the u.s. position even let me bring in. you were
a political prisoner of saudi arabia you understand the regime the way it works because the kingdom is so used to restricting access to information domestically do you think they were expecting anything like this and do you think they have the tools to be able to deal with an international not only just media crisis but political crisis well when they're so used to restricting access to information. i mean they they have good friends in western washington they have. you know dozens of. law firms that represent them so they have been i think simply successful i mean this is bad but if it was done by the country to be even worse so they do have allies here and i think in a few days next week things will get better for them speaking about turkey my information is the president has to undergo i would be speaking on this maybe center day and the turks have a view a video of the actual murder and they will show it on t.v.
so and i think i agree with with with your guest from the russians too that there is an alliance growing between the between the turks and the americans. regarding this issue and maybe the turks have taken advantage of that as well because he was actually was was close to the gun administration he was a strong defender of turkey but also he was liked by a certain. people here in washington the washington post crowd so i really think this is going to damage saudi arabia and the cell man who i just heard last night that the americans are shopping for a replacement i cannot confirm these things yet but i believe it because b.s. has not delivered on his promises and the americans rather find somebody else so let me bring you in here shopping for a replacement is the america is the american so frustrated with the crown prince
that they're actually looking to rip try and replace him or least influences replacement this is definitely a time that is very difficult diplomacy wise for saudi arabia as the issue develops and evolves and more and more evidence comes out from turkey and if indeed the case that the turks have a videotape of the murder of course. it can't be denied at that stage it's going to be very old difficult to hold the floodgates of. a backlash i think that there's still some time of course maybe for a makeup i think that's one reason why the turkish president on has remained absent from the debate he hasn't blamed the saudi authorities of course he knows that the saudis have financial instruments turkey's economy just went through a pretty severe shock and so that could hurt and undermine turkey but the region i let me just tell you that of course would would ending the war in yemen be
a way out for both the saudis and the u.s. this crisis with the help think these other would help is there a chip on the plate here that we don't know about. it would help when the public publicly flown the seaside but i think right now the caution against that end out shines everything else that nothing that the saudis would do anywhere else i think would help cover it if indeed there was a murder there and i think that the turkish side will insist insist and that is because turkey's very base of its sovereignity i think you know and rightly feels that turkey sovereignty has been file a bit turkey is a former imperial nation as we all know the ottomans collapsed less than a hundred years ago so this is completely unacceptable and i think therefore the turkish side will insist on some sort of either a graceful exit out that the saudis take or complete pushback against the saudis if it doesn't happen ibrahim let me bring you in here saudi dissidents abroad that they are increasing in number in the last year alone we've seen twenty people seek
asylum in canada saudi real residency because asylum in canada because a so afraid what the regime will do to them why do saudi dissidents abroad prevent the present such a threat to the saudi government well i don't think actually the present the serious threat to the saudi government i think it's the way the saudi government is handling this issue. many countries they have positions of brood and they're working against them in the front with i think in some out of like the level of political tolerance on those government side so. to himself i don't think he was even proposing himself to be in a position he said that many times on t.v. and many of his media that if you lose i'm not the position i'm trying to advise and the actual we have the reports that he was trying to promote some sort of democratic reform you know for that they have regions not even as not only for saudi arabia so that's the with the saudi leadership is many this
position a broad issue is the the front valuable that we have in. that is leading us to this to this crisis which is of course is causing as you discuss this with their key ally the number one ally is the united states because this is this issue is going to complicate. matters for the imaging the alliances between saudi arabia and the united states with its of the god being the ultimate deal already got to being one of the things because now we are seeing again within the american administration a split between and. between the white house and the establishment where the tram in the beginning was support was reluctant to intervene in this crisis and the senate house is pushing for action so now here is another dilemma for the u.s. foreign policy is between i see it as between a struggle or a confrontation between commitment to human rights. and arms sales so
it's not an easy three off and i'm only talking on friday talking and that's why we're seeing been reluctant and he ordered the actually made some sort of statements that we should not expect the arms sales being affected so traditionally in u.s. foreign policy when. you might when values clash with interest that traditionally u.s. foreign policy favor the interest not the values not the human rights and that's why i don't think we should expect too much from the american position on this well let me bring eliot. we can talk about the dissidents just again the dissident movement that abroad what does something like that do to a movement that was already very scared what the saudi government could do what does an incident like this do does it in effect kill that move and kill that movement or will people be too scared indeed we try to get some saudi dissident or living abroad on to the show today and he turned us down because he felt he was
afraid for what might happen what does this do for the distance. i think some like the gentleman you spoke to his his brothers have been thrown in jail and his friends were and they were using him and they did it against me and my brother has been in jail for the past basically twenty years and my nephew they added my nephew to the mix so they use your family against you i have been myself a target for a surveillance spying infiltration hacking luring to another country just like it was lord so they don't not like dissident specially in key countries like you know the united states is p.c. the people who provided internet of say they'll turn it of you know if you if you're in washington and you're talking about an oblate and islamic something nobody will you know they wouldn't care because the saudis actually promote those kind of opponents so they appear you know to be the best option but when you are
talking about democracy and freedom for all and so on something similar to what we have in the west that prose is a danger it's very important for the saudis to appear to be the most liberal. option in the country so if you are more liberal than them or more modern than them then that proposes a problem for another major story that goes well we are going to see the end of the show i want to bring in. let's just talk about the idea that has to be a way out of this crisis we don't know what the way else is right now but if you were advising the trumpet ministration what would be your for you what would be your next move. i think that the idea would be to cooperate with turkey to carry out a thorough investigation and to look at the evidence that turkey is providing as well as adding u.s. investigators to this to get to the bottom of it and i think that's the only way we can see a conclusion of this issue. just very very quickly the regional implications for
all of this we still haven't we still don't fully understand what they're going to be but do you think the longer this crisis goes on the worse it will become for the region generally well of course we have the sanctions against iran you know reaching get their peak in november and the crisis is between this you know alliance between the united states israel and saudi arabia to confront iran is going to get serious and of about sort of just this so given if this can crisis continues i think this is going to meanly efik this. what's what's called confrontation with iran and how it's going to be hounded because especially again if the senate house pressures the white house trying even more to take actions and because there's a human rights violations bluntly committed against the and i was
a journalist in and which is violating international rule acceptable norms i think it's going to complicate the whole thing and raises serious questions about the next steps for the regional allies serious questions indeed i'd like to thank all our guests on a chapter in britain fry had. read and thank you for watching you can see the program again any time by visiting our website al-jazeera dot com and for further discussion go to our facebook page that's facebook dot com forward slash a.j. inside story you can also join the conversation on twitter handle is at a.j. inside story for me in long on the whole team here by phone oh. i.
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look at it very strongly we'll be having a report working with turkey working with jody arabiya what happened is a terrible thing for president trump also says the u.s. has joined with turkey in an investigation into what happened to the missing journalist. while the pressure builds on saudi arabia the u.k. is warning of serious consequences on american senators a pushing for sanctions and therefore the world's top ranked football nation is that this santa of a huge fraud and match fixing investigation. have charged five people including a referee and millions of dollars worth of cash and luxury. so there was a lot of new information coming out from turkey on the disappearance of jamal khashoggi moving at a fast pace as well so we're going to get straight into it first of all the turkish
government which has announced a joint turkish saudi team to be formed to solve the case also the turkish government has told al-jazeera it has definitive evidence about what they are calling the killing of and where it took place they also say that information has been shared with washington and coming out of the u.s. the senate foreign relations committee chairman bob corker i said any sales to saudi arabia would not pass congress donald trump told reporters there's no need to block saudi arabia investments in the u.s. and that he's helping both countries in the investigation. well look you know adverse strongly we'll be having a report soon we're working with turkey we're working with saudi arabia what happened is a terrible thing assuming that happened i mean maybe we'll be pleasantly surprised but somehow i tend to doubt it and we take it very seriously it's not our country it's in turkey and it's not a citizen as i understand it but a thing like that should happen it is
a reporter with the washington post and it's something like that should not be allowed to happen something like that should not happen and we intend to get to the bottom of it reporting for us on the story right now kimberly how good of course suzanne white house correspondent will come to her shortly starting with stephanie deca at the saudi consulate in istanbul i've run through those latest developments stephanie how about you elaborate on them for us i think it's interesting. the turks and the saudis if agreed to a joint a joint group to investigate the killing i think it indicates that ankara and riyadh trying to of boredom or doubt but it tickle crisis which of course it has the capacity this situation to escalate into that and also further leaks we've been told by turkish security sources that they know exactly where he was killed in the fact that they do know certainly that he was killed of course we've been reporting this over the last nine days or so evidence is lacking facts are lacking but this
is the message from the turks i think it really is that what we've seen happen over the last few days is an anchor is using the media to get their message out to put pressure on saudi arabia to try and come to the table and come clear as to what happened and of course it has international implications the americans are becoming far more involved as my colleagues. now. this is pictet murder of journalist jamal khashoggi in the saudi consulates in istanbul doesn't only threaten tucker saudi relations its impact is reaching washington on wednesday twenty two senators from both the republican and democratic parties triggered human rights legislation in the magnitsky act and since a letter to president donald trump demanding an investigation into what's happened if that investigation finds that special human rights were violated by the saudi government then the u.s. would be forced to impose sanctions and review its relationship with the saudis and this man was murdered in saudi consulate in istanbul have across every line of
normality in the international community. if that did happen it would be held if saudi arabia took a us resident emerging into a consulate and killed him it's time for the united states to rethink our military political and economic relationship with saudi arabia the turkish president's right up paper to one spoke for the first time about the case early on thursday costing doubt on saudi claims that the consulate's video cameras weren't recording on the day she went missing turkish officials have also expressed their frustration at the saudis lack of cooperation citing their refusal to allow investigators to search the consulates the consul generals home and vehicles registered to the saudi diplomatic mission tucker security sources say they are certain that. was killed in the building behind me they've released photos and the identity of the fifteen man hit squad they say killed the saudi journalist amongst the members of crime prince
mohammed bin said a man's personal guard as well as the kingdom's or one of the kingdom's leading forensic experts and the former head of intelligence at the saudi arabian embassy in london turkey's police and security services seem to be delaying officially announcing the results of their investigation. well decision is made on how to retaliate against saudi infringements of turkish sovereignty keech a that's appears to be finding some sort of consensus amongst turkey's allies and the international community jamal of show you just you know you stumble. on knowing if there are leaks out of the turkish sources also the americans in the washington post today quoting u.s. intelligence sources that they believe that this was part of a plan from the saudi crown prince mohammed bin saudi man to what they call your noor the journalist back to saudi arabia the next step of this investigation is
that the turks wanted to have access to the consulate according to turkish sources the saudis were not playing ball in the last couple of days when it came to that so we'll have to wait and see whether this new joint working group between the saudis and the turks mean that that may now move forward but certainly all the information that's been leaking out is incredibly concerning all pointing to the fact that he was killed by the saudis this is what they believe but again everyone is waiting for the facts for the evidence but the picture that is being painted is an extremely horrific and concerning one of a man who wanted to get his divorce papers so that he could get married and he never came out stephanie deck is outside that saudi consulate in istanbul thank you let's look at what's happening in the u.s. president donald trump told fox news he needs to find out what happened to cause shoji and the situation doesn't look good he also discussed u.s. saudi relations. mr president i know one thing has you concerned jamal
a saudi working for the washington post has disappeared in the turkish embassy they have video going in and not going out and there's rumors that he's dead i heard the washington post reporting that you're extremely frustrated with the lack of answers we know they chaired cushier your son in law is very tight with the crown prince and the crown prince calls the shots in saudi arabia you're tight with them to what's it going to take to get some answers what we're looking at it very very seriously i don't like it at all now you know you don't have american citizens but that in this case doesn't matter i don't like it i don't like it with respect to reporters it's a terrible terrible precedent and we can't let it happen and we're being very tough and we have investigators over there and we're working with turkey and frankly we're working with saudi arabia we want to find out what happened he went in and it doesn't look like he came out it certainly doesn't look like he's around what's at stake when and what's at stake with us saudi relations. i would say they're
excellent i've told them they've got to pay for their military you know we have a saudi arabia has eight is a very rich country and for years and years it would be no saudi arabia if that wasn't the united states because we protected them and we don't get paid for this protection and we should be paid we spend billions and billions of dollars a year protecting saudi arabia and i told the king king solomon said king so ari you've got to pay and i've said that pull out and clear that he's going to pay but you can't be killed you can't be killing america you can't be killed you turn aside as if everything in jeopardy now sir. is that in jeopardy now i have good relations with saudi arabia i have to find out what happened i mean i do have to find out and we're probably getting closer than you might think but i have to find out well what happened the washington post is reporting this morning that the crown prince mohamed bin solomon ordered the operation to lure him back to saudi arabia from virginia and then to. taman detaining according to the u.s.
intel intercepts of saudi officials discussing the plan ok that sounds like it goes right to the top mr president well it would be a very sad thing and we will probably know in the very short future we have some incredible people and incredible talent working on it we don't like it i don't like it no good let's discuss this with family how could i watch house correspondent kelly donald trump sounds very forceful in that clip on fox and friends but then he's also more recently delivered comments which sort of pull back a little bit don't they saying well we shouldn't let this affect the relations or at least investments with the u.s. . right and that's a pretty sweeping statement and a little bit at odds with some of the comments that we're hearing from capitol hill you heard there the president say when asked directly about u.s. saudi relations that he said they were excellent but that is certainly not what top members of his own republican party are saying on capitol hill in fact they have
been low in the eyes of many u.s. senators because of the saudi led coalition's actions in yemen particularly with respect to the civilian casualties a situation that the in the united nations calls a humanitarian disaster so building on top of this now with the issue of the missing journalist the top republican the ranking member on the senate foreign relations committee bob corker saying that the relations were already lowered if the allegations are true this could cause us saudi relations to in his words go off a cliff he's had very strong statements with regard to this saying that the intelligence shows the saudis were involved in the disappearance they believe that he is dead and that the saudis did it these are the words of bob corker a very powerful man in congress he also has gone on to say that significant sanctions need to be imposed on saudi arabia at the highest level of the saudi government if he is found to be a victim of state sponsored murder and i can tell you as well another top
republican jeff flake saying on the floor of the senate in just the last hour that anyone who targets a journalist is an enemy of freedom adding that he believes that the united states should no longer do business with saudi arabia so given the fact that donald trump coming into office talked extensively about the deals that had been struck with saudi arabia with respect to weapons sales arms sales we remember that oval office meeting with the crown prince in march where they both talked about this very strong relationship it appears that that relationship is not being backed by those in congress that control whether or not those deals continue namely that the u.s. congress is the one that controls america's purse for its own kind of secure new google map maybe for our audience than our international audience can believe the significance of of people in congress.