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tv   The Listening Post 2018 Ep 45  Al Jazeera  December 9, 2018 5:32pm-6:02pm +03

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and i think most important trait of taiwan is taiwan is that democracy already and we are very proud of that and many of the like my countries continue to priest i want us a beacon and because taiwan is already a democracy and therefore it we are able to develop closer and closer ties with like minded countries but when former friends like el salvador the king of fast so say sort of are going to recognize beijing there must be this sort of sense of betrayal because these countries up until then point have been your friends you are your allies that's right when that happened when they decided that they want to establish diplomatic ties with the people's republic of china and sever ties with taiwan of course people here feel betrayed and that that kind of sentiment can be very strong here you know since they decide to choose china you know that's their choice and the important thing for taiwan is that we want to make sure that those
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diplomatic allies remain loyal to taiwan are getting the right thing from taiwan for example education campus city building job training or agricultural development things like this will continue to help these countries and i think many of the countries realize that they are not able to get those kinds of support from the people's republic of china but they are getting state the support from taiwan and those items that i just mentioned what was it a surprise when el salvador defected did you know in advance it was going to happen . we did take some signs that all they by negotiating with china and therefore you know we try very hard to see whether there's anything else we can work on so you offer the money what would you do to become like a bidding war do not know if this doesn't work that way my deputy traveled to el salvador speaking to see me a officials over there and i myself also trouble to salvador speaking to their very
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senior officials including the president himself and to ask him whether there's any issue in the relationship that though we should work on more in what they say is that every aspect of the relationship is going very well and therefore they try to hide from us their negotiations with china and the leadership of salvator not only trying to hide from taiwan they also try to hide it from the united states or other countries in their secret negotiations with china is it money that wins them over china to simply says how much do you need if you read the news of these couple days you can realize that it's money. and it's china over a huge amount of money from the public record these couple days china for it fifteen billion u.s. dollars to el salvador and of course that is not the game that i want to seen what
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time was this saga friendship is to be able to help the people it seems the china strategy is to pick off one by one those remaining countries that have diplomatic relations with taiwan yes. which raises the question what happens if they succeed in doing that and there are no countries left. but what happens there as a minister of foreign affairs you know i wouldn't try to envision that kind of result but i think china also has other objectives over taiwan. cutting off all the diplomatic elyse off taiwan if you listen to the top speed top leaders of china and they continue to say that they want to win hearts and minds of the talent's people but when they engage in the very negative way of isolating taiwan or choking off time was international space that is the opposite of what
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they say they want to achieve winning hearts and minds of the taiwanese people and you can see whenever the chinese negative campaign against taiwan is going on but this in between taiwan and china is getting further and further apart and i'm sure that it's not what china wants to see but part of your job is is to sell taiwan to to promote taiwan. how do you describe taiwan how do you promote taiwan when you when you when you go around the world and visit various international organizations what's the key point you stress the first point of course taiwan is that the one is the mature democracy and one can be seeing us a model of democracy in this part of the world and the second aspect is time wise. status in economic development and taiwan is already being seeing us a model for economy developing us well even though the growing rib roast rate in
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the last few years might not be great but taiwan is undergoing change formation from the old. mini factoring based economy now to innovation based economy if you look at the. trade relations between taiwan in europe. which is very far away the figure is growing and if you look at the investment of taiwan companies in the very far away country see in europe oil in india or in japan or in the united states or in mexico the number is also growing and therefore is important to do business with i want to swell the situation in the taiwan straits seems fraught at times china has been carrying out military exercises as taiwan has china's been sailing warships very close to to waters the united states has been sending warships into those waters is there a worry that the brinkmanship gets out of control and you're you risk conflict. of course started something that that this is you makers here are watching very
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carefully but i think we need to watch on our own back we need to watch our own security you know if china is coming too close to our water or it coming too close to our airspace we need to have the sufficient defense capabilities to defend ourselves and from whatever we can see is the chinese expansionism that is causing all this trouble in there for any kind of effort in the international community trying to reduce this threat of war or trying to stop china's expansionism should be welcomed has a trump presidency been good for taiwan yes very much so president trump received a phone call from presidents high to congratulate him and vice president pence has also being a very strong supporter of taiwan he has a track record when he was in the congress and the. secretary of
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state. has also a long track record of supporting taiwan so all together we have seen the very friendly gesture coming from the ministration taiwan and that gesture includes the chance to buy more arms from from washington. but you still can get f. thirty five still stuff militarily that the united states won't sell you that must be a bit frustrating because if they were a true friend they'd give you what you wanted they give us what we want and we are in the series of discussions with the united states but of course you know i cannot get into the details of this discussion but if you look at the in june twenty seventh. they already made available to taiwan the huge package of arms and that is what we want and that is what we need and i think in time once defense much more
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than just one particular item in taiwan in the united states have been discussing very intensely how taiwan can. beef up its own defense and the we are trying in every aspect rather than focusing on one item when president zine had that phone conversation with president donald trump and the after would seem to suggest that perhaps he wasn't necessarily bound by the one china policy anymore your spirits must have risen here in taiwan because for the first time it began to seem possible that perhaps the united states was going to walk away from something that's been the cornerstone of the u.s. relations for forty years we are more realistic and pragmatic than thinking along the lines of we understand that the united states has a relationship with china to a minister and of course maintaining good relations with china is always one of the policy priority of the united states and we are fine with that policy because that
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policy has room for us to work with the united states in a few days' time president trump and president xi jinping are going to meet at the g. twenty s. taiwan is part of the current feud between washington and beijing what do you want to come out of that me. taiwan month well if you look at the high level meetings in between the united cities and china town policy or taiwan the subject of being raised by the chinese leader is almost in every or cation but the response from the u.s. decision makers is almost always the same but he would he say this is abide by its one china policy and if taiwan becomes the topic in their discussion i'm sure president trump or senior officials in the united states is going to come up with a similar statement at the moment china is led by possibly the most powerful leaders since chairman mao do you think he wants to be the chinese president the
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brings taiwan back into the fold because given the level of intimidation the wargames that have been going on in the taiwan straits that seems to be what we're heading towards. possible but i think that's a possible. throughout the world you know what the chairman thinking about if i were to put myself in his shoes you know i would have difficult times in understanding why taiwan should be a priority in his policy look at the regional situation inside china. this week years problem that he needs to deal with there's a problem in the that he's has to deal with and you know the catholics are being seen by him as the one who is capable to win the organization and therefore he needs to use a lot of force in the suppressing the freedom of religion in china and other than
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that the more important factor is a slowing economy slowing economy means social instability into an authoritarian country that might be the most difficult to maintain the legitimacy of that god. woman and therefore disciplined for president she to warry about in his relations with japan it's not good relations with korea might not be good you know this attention in south china sea there's a whole relations for him to manage with the relation with the united states and therefore he has so many problems to deal with and if if he wants to you know overcome the taiwanese issue that might put less. important issue on his plate him by for him what keeps you awake at night. the most difficult thing side told you a my position is china trying to interfere in our relations with the rest of the
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world. that we don't keep your weight sometimes not trade. our relations with that diplomatic ilyse that is something that we need to continue to trade sure and we continue to watch out for to prevent china from having the. opportunity of being them away from taiwan and we also worry about china's actions against how was participation in international one of the nations you know we continue to try to push through our. or membership in the some major international organizations and china is making it very difficult for us but my job is to tell the international community that the rights of the twenty three million people here in taiwan deserve to be recognized by the international community if a small country can be repressed and it isn't war tilse organization that helps
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right of the town and see people should be recognized by the international community as well you know if a small countries can be represented in the international civil aviation organization the rights of the taiwanese people should be recognized as well if a cross country crime is very important to. country i want should not be left out to the interpol and therefore this is something that we continue to advocate and that war motivate myself to advocate to the international community and you'll keep up your efforts to try to rejoin the united nations i will continue to advocate that you know the united nations is. organized or formed based on the concept that every country should be reburied senate in the united nations and will continue to try to. push through the goal all for being part of the united nations but before we can be
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a member of the united nations you know there are practical ways for taiwan to be able to make contribution for example in practical one as asians like what i see the u.n. at c.c.c. or w.h.o. it's even difficult for us to make a contribution but what is important for us is to seek opportunity for taiwan to be able to make contributions to the u.n. system and just so our views around the world understand your saying taiwan is a country yes of course. we have a president that is democratically elected and i just some see that. nung. state or none country that has a president and we also have a parliament that is also a democratically elected and we have our own currency system and we have the military and we also have a ministry of foreign affairs that issue visas and passport and that is being recognized by the international community and taiwan is
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a country just like all other countries in the world and what name should it be at the united nations. we are not getting into that right now taiwan's title is the republic of china and i think this is what the people here are use. too but of course taiwan is also being called taiwan. the people here in taiwan are not discussing what kind of name time one should use to enter the united nation we are trying to participate but we are not trying to seek membership at this moment. joseph we thank you very much thank you thank you. i received un report is given renewed see to the fight against climate change and release threats like sea level rights at this year's climate talks in poland and the international community seize the opportunity to take concerted action today
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with al jazeera the latest from the front lines of the climate crisis from the conference itself a reporter's retreat in a brutal civil war if the commodore hadn't been there the israeli invasion would not have been so well. the commodore had become a journalistic center you could be in a safe enclave and then you went into civil war i started off leaving this one of the ground suite at the commodore hutto the next room i was in was underground in a tiny prison so as a hostage beirut the commodore war hotels on al-jazeera. john kelly is out of the white house and surgery is now on for president drugs chief of staff in less than two years.
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welcome to our jazeera live from doha i'm martin denis also coming up just weeks before she quits the u.n. america's nikki haley says saudi arabia should not get a pass on the. an early test for armenia's nichole passion jaan the first election since mass protests propelled him to power. come returns to paris a day after thousands of protesters claimed the streets of the french capital of almost two thousand durant's. now it's one of the fastest turnovers in u.s. presidential history and now another member of senior staff is leaving donald trump's white house he's chief of staff john kelly and he goes at the end of the year the retired marine general is been in the job for sixteen months he is one of
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a series of resignations as the white house repairs to take on a new democrat led house of representatives president trump is understood to be trying to take the vice president's chief of staff to replace him his name will be . john kelly will be leaving rita but i don't know if i can say retiring but he's a great guy john kelly will be leaving at the end of the here will be announcing who will be taking john's place it might be on an interim basis i'll be announcing that over the next day or two but john will be leaving at the end of the year he's been with me almost two years now as you know between the two positions so. we're probably going to see him in a little while. from our white house correspondent kimberly halkett. we just suarez general kelly crisis may have ended john kelly's time in the west wing but the four star marine general was brought to the white house to restore order as president
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probably years president donald trump took him from his post just homeland security secretary in july of two thousand and seventeen he replaced the first chief of staff writes priebus thanksgiving kelly's first order of business was firing communications director anthony scare mucci who'd been on the job for just ten days for disparaging white house officials in a profanity laced interview for a time kelley was described as the adult in the white house reportedly imposing military like discipline on staff and limiting access to the president very well but in october of that same year a botched military mission in new share that left four american soldiers dead cause some to question kelly's judgment kelly attacked a congresswoman who criticized the president's mishandling of a condolence call to one of the widows it stuns me that a member of congress with a listen to a conversation. absolutely stunning. but the controversy surrounding rob porter
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a top trump aide may have been kelly's biggest fumble kelly defended porter when his ex-wives accused him of physical and emotional abuse so did the president as you probably know he says he's innocent and i think you have to remember that he said first wrongly yesterday that he's innocent but the administration was forced to back away when photos of one ex-wife's blackeye surfaced bolstering her claims the case led to questions about how porter given his police record had received security clearances and led to others in the administration including the president's own son in law jarrett cushion or seeing their top secret clearance revoked other trump reports surfaced that kelley had referred to trump as an idiot something both men denied other top officials like former secretary of state rex tillerson and former national security advisor h.r. mcmaster were let go after allegedly making similar insults in recent months
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kelli's tenure has been marked with reports of fights including reported shouting match with national security adviser john bolton as well as disagreements with first lady a lani a trump. kelly is the latest in a long list of high profile departures can really help get al-jazeera the white house. the outgoing u.s. ambassador to the u.n. has made a first public comments on the murder of saudi journalist jamal khashoggi nikki haley told the atlantic magazine that the saudi government doesn't get a pasta we can't condone it we can't ever say it's ok we can't ever support from his behavior and we have to say that she have a transit has more from washington. it's been widely speculated that nikki haley will run for political office again one day and this interview suggests she's in no mood to come down emphatically and offend anyone who may be useful to her in the
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future yes she says the saudis need to be held accountable but she also says they are the key ally for the u.s. in fighting iran her accountability her idea of accountability repeatedly in this interview is what she calls the dozen or so saudis who have been sanctioned by the u.s. she's pushed by the interview with a what if it's shown that moment is directly accountable then she says well look then that's up to the trumpet ministration but she does accept that bowing when someone is technically responsible but only technically responsible that's despite what we've heard the cia assessment is that he is fully responsible in their best assessments now we also have this new york times article about jared cush news current relationship with the saudis it confirms what we already know gerard mom had been someone are in very constant what's app contact and text each other a great deal that's continuing since the khashoggi murder that jarred the new york
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times says is advising moment been someone on how to weather the storm and is his biggest supporter in the white house in addition the new york times gives us extra information on how that relationship developed the new york times says the saudis targeted cushion it two years ago the reason their opinion that jarred knew very little about the middle east. the cleanup operations underway in paris after a day of violent protests in the french capital the government deployed heavy security for the latest demonstrations by the so-called yellow vests movement this is the fourth straight weekend of protests against president macro with calls for him to resign he used twitter to thank the police for their courage and their professionalism al-jazeera is david chase who was in central paris or out the day he sent us this report the the i.
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was what the yellow vests called act for all their protests played out with some familiar scenes in the center paris. was hundreds of arrests were made but it didn't stop the clashes the demonstrators tried to storm the blockades mounted by the riot police. is now because the americans are moving in on the yellow bus protesters who are trying miss us at the police lines they're now using tear gas tear gas and stun grenades the was. the effect on we did a first act micron didn't act to speak not as act three we don't exist today we do act four to sci fi reacts they don't hear the word dignity dignity only want the dignity of making a living out of a war all right people from wanting to make one watch how the poor are going to
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keep feeding their children that's what i want to know what will we give to our children by the end of the month the shouts coming from the crowds. did misuari maclin resign but his interior minister had his own message for the yellow vests even it was delivered a safe distance from the fray to see if we assume that if they have actually be more injuries on the side of the security forces. on the side of the protesters because the idea is to contain things but the toxic has its limits particularly when we're faced with people who want to behave like it's. and it's a war that shows no sign of ending soon the standoff is continuing. i will go live now to david and get the very latest and david say whilst yesterday's protests seem to have avoided the the wider scale violence of of the previous week it did nonetheless yield something like two thousand a arrests. marty yes it's extraordinary
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isn't it cannot be counted as a success that the whole countryside is almost locked down with something like ninety thousand police on juji and here in paris of course they doubled the amount of police put the armored cars in the streets in central paris for the first time these are extraordinary scenes and if you think that was the prime minister who went on a t.v. address last night he said essentially that. he wants a dialogue open he wants to start talks and he's chosen a few members of the yellow vests revolt who considers moderates to to do that but you can't do that successfully with this sort of movement because it doesn't have any essential leaders and it has now so many complaints about so many parts of the policies and the reforms that president emmanuel macron is pushing through it's
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going to be impossible to have a dialogue you have the dialogue will indeed be agrees with each other particularly they come from all parts of the spectrum well that's the interesting thing david isn't it as these weeks of have gone by that the depth and the depth of the dissatisfaction and the breadth of the protests have widened and the dissatisfaction has deepened and we've seen the prime minister you mention the prime minister we've seen the interior minister and apart from a tweet we haven't heard anything from president macro have we where is a. it is extraordinary isn't it that he's got so many police on the front line and he is nowhere to be seen but the ministers in his cabinet are saying that he will talk to the people of france we think either on monday or on chews day and he will talk about the reforms these reforms are no doubt necessary it's known by many economists that these have to be pushed through for the sake of france the presence
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of tried and failed before and he is now failing very badly in saul being done by a by a movement a social media movement which was started by the roma therapist into truck drivers it doesn't actually count much for the politicians simply out of touch with the ordinary people here who are finding it very very hard at the end of month to make ends meet and that is what he has not realised he has not been seen in public apart from talking to police and firefighters and that is extraordinary what has happened to president mackerel he has now sunk so low in the polls is down to twenty three percent that's a record for anybody only eighteen months into his presidency but they say that that is the true level of of his support because he was really only elected with a large majority to keep marine le pen and the national front out so now he realizes the number of people who actually support him and it's not the majority
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david chaytor live in paris thank you still to come here into al-jazeera saying no to racism as italy sees a rise in attacks on foreigners. and concerns that a volcano called the mountain of god could erupt in tanzania. hello there were plenty of showers across the southeast in parts of asia at the moment but actually not all of us is seeing very heavy downpours look at the philippines mostly dry here plenty of dry weather across borneo as well there will be a couple of showers dotted about here as we head through the next couple of days but nothing too heavy the heavier and more persistent showers are out towards the west in for some of us here it really has been very wet cosa moving a scene over one hundred millimeters of.


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