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tv   The Listening Post 2019 Ep 2  Al Jazeera  January 13, 2019 5:32pm-6:02pm +03

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or it's conflicting parties at gunpoint to exercise good governance and the rule of law now yes member states passed a resolution a whole series of political events took place what we're left with right now is a situation that i think all of us consider to be fair the disastrous and into that void or into this chaotic situation very often the united nations is then asked to step in and perform miracles and it cannot do these miracles it needs international community and it needs to domestic parties to be willing to come to the table now it sometimes takes painfully long to get to that point but more often than not it does eventually happen i cite syria the third country there that war is going on now for what seven more than seventy years now and painfully is an essential with all the massacres and the destruction the entire infrastructure of the country is basically nonexistent anymore. and still people haven't come to the realisation that they need to find a political solution even though they've met and not for want of trying at least
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from the un's perspective what kind of work are you doing in syria right now or are you able even to do. well our ability to being gauged in syria is premised first of all on being able to operate across the country this already poses challenges right now because different forces obviously exercised different degrees of control our ability has been also partly constrained by many of the political tensions with the international community having said that you n.d.p. has been present in damascus throughout this period we are engaged in the collaboration with the humanitarian agencies and in particular to try to help communities with emergency programs reestablishing basic services so that first of all those affected by the conflict have an ability to return or stay in the towns and villages and secondly for what is likely to be a growing number of people returning to the country to have something to return to
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now as of now there clearly is a challenge for any international agency because on the one hand those who are being asked to finance this are saying until a political settlement is found we do not wish to engage in reconstruction activities on the other hand everybody realizes that there are masses of people who could benefit from basic community rehabilitation schemes and ultimately have to help tens of thousands hundreds of thousand people to also wrist oversell livelihood so in a sense we are in a whole position we were trying to help with the humanitarian emergency support we are looking at where we can already do some stabilization in a particular with communities with very simple measures on the ground but until we have a political settlement in the country the work that you n.d.p. would do with syria is essentially very constrained you mentioned earlier. efforts by the surgeon general to transform the united nations in terms of making it more
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about prevention as well so not simply just fine. fighting don't you think that the countries that are doing the fighting in these conflicts syria yemen libya others around the world. that are responsible for the killing that are responsible for the destruction shouldn't they be made to pay for the development of those countries after the i mean obviously there's a political element of paying politically for what they've done but also paying financially and here are not only limiting it to those who are physically doing the fighting countries that use the regional countries that essentially allow for this to happen or give political cover for it's happened surely maybe that is a way of at least first ensuring that the the development happens but also ensuring that maybe countries think twice before allowing for the destruction of whole societies. nothing and not in one simple response to your question because if you look at the last few years we've actually seen. a
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significant group of countries coming together rehabilitation of iraq for example. the kind of support that is being played at conferences for lebanon what we see there is also countries in the region beginning to step up with half a billion a billion dollars in financial contributions so first of all i want to recognize these countries for what they have done because it is not only europe or the united states or japan in fact we have seen quite a number of countries coming to the table but that is it's a taking responsibility as an international community. payments based on accountability or responsibility will always be very difficult to invoke the united nations is not a world government it does not have the authority except when it is exercise for the security council to actually enforce a decision with its member states so we build first of all on what is international
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law we build on the good offices of the sector it general and we build also in the international community to actually respect the kinds of decisions that it passes in the security council or in the general assembly this very often is the soft law of international law but at the end of the day what we're trying to do is to make sure that even when some countries do not accept their responsibility or step up to the table when they could assist that we do not punish the country by saying well then the others will not step up to the table either this is a moral dilemma that is not very helpful one of the world's longest standing conflicts the. illegal occupation of palestine and i want to ask you specifically about gaza which has been under siege now for a decade it's been subjected several weeks also of strikes and bombardments in two thousand and eight two thousand and twelve and fourteen according to your findings gaza's economy has been virtually stagnant for the past ten years right where the average annual g.d.p. rate is and she barely exceeding one percent gaza's population meanwhile has grown
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by thirty eight percent over the same period and according to the report that you published. there's a lot more g.d.p. that's required in order to reduce the economic burden from about forty percent unemployment there and so forth. it's very clear that the main issue of suffering in gaza is the siege on gaza if there was free trade there would be jobs there would be money coming in and so forth why has the united nations or the u.n. d.p. not come out and hold for an immediate lifting of the siege. well first of all let me acknowledge that the situation inside gaza is desperate and it is perhaps one of the most painful visits i have on the take in my word and my work around the world to see that situation and it is one that is also getting worse you mentioned some of the factors not only are there more people there are also challenges about the lack of employment access to clean water for instance the
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collapse of the aquifer there are factors here that are going to make things far worse in the years to come but as we all know i mean the reality of gaza is embedded in a larger conflict that seems to be you know eluding or efforts to resolve them the united nations has repeatedly as you know passed resolutions that has not only drawn attention to this it has condemned. aspects of that reality and i will say it in those terms because at the end of the day the resolutions of the problem it's the consequence of actually act but even to figure out the condemnation here no not it's not about putting blame i what i want to know is you're seeking solutions in order to make development so let's not even you can have something that's very simply worded the sieges century is making life impossible development impossible unemployment's increase as the united nations we would like the speech to be lifted even if that means borders that are governed by blue helmets even if it means that
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there are trade agreements that's will be stipulated by international law and you know agreed on by third party it doesn't have to get into the bog down into the whole issue of palestine conflict at all the even have to mention anything about peace talks or final status and nothing simply there are two million people living in the walled what's been described as the world's largest open air prison they have barely four hours of electricity a day there's no way development is going to happen there well first of all let us both agree that the u.n. has written many reports that actually not only. he described the situation but also presented in stark terms so i think whether it is the high commissioner for human rights whether it is the general assembly so i think the united nations is not found wanting in actually being able to tell the world that this situation is one that requires urgent attention in terms of the humanitarian needs but also in terms of the longer term stability of the region as
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a whole secondly we are invested there in fact there is a sister organization as you know that for decades now has been providing services to palestinians in the region as a whole that is currently being defended and struggling to get the funding to keep the services going providing schooling to tens of thousands of palestinian children medical facilities. we in the united nations development program are working in gaza and are trying to in a sense make an anon bearable situation just slightly less than bearable but at the end of the day for all of us the challenge is that this is a political conflict into which we cannot simply step in and believe that we can write reports that will make it go away there is a need for a political solution that political solution is not forthcoming on the back of which millions of people are suffering and i think the best thing that we are constantly trying to do as the united nations first of all to provide humanitarian
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support to provide development support where we can but at the end of the day it is in the political process that you know many presidents of many countries have also tried to move forward that the solution will lie for this finally i just want to look ahead to the future and it's estimated that currently a quarter of the world's population lives in poverty around one point three billion people. hearts of those are eighteen years or younger when you look at those numbers it doesn't really look promising but there are projects that you're doing and other ideas that are being worked on in order to increase development and not only simply from the kind of one dimensional aspect of material income but also quality of living in freedom of expression into you know education and so forth how do you see the future in terms of challenges and opportunities. without in any way being too optimistic i think with hope because first of all what we must not forget
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on the back of these numbers which are in individual terms still dramatic numbers that affect individual lives but the story of development over the last one hundred years is a story of phenomenal progress and success the u.n. d.p. human development report that you cited earlier on has documented this progress over the last twenty five thirty years but let me just give you one example one hundred fifty years ago or two hundred years ago. a billion people lived on this planet at that time nine out of ten people alive lives in extreme poverty today vs seven billion people and only one out of ten lives in extreme poverty we have gone through an extraordinary period of development people live longer more people read and write we have better nutrition life expectancy our possibilities today are phenomenal compared even to those three four generations ago so the first message
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that i have to those who always say oh development never works the sustainable development goals are just abstract goals take a look at history and ask it so how has progress been made possible people had a vision they set themselves goals we invested in the future we are today a generation that is actually in a position to eliminate extreme poverty it's the first time we can say that in history now will it happen a lot depends on what a lot of people will do but our role as the united nations as the united nations development program is to do everything possible to focus that in development no one is left behind we can use modern data artificial intelligence allow governments to understand where other people living who are not having access to services how do we deal with for instance service provision for peoples with disabilities often overlooked in the development process gender equity. education of girls we can find
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ways in which we can make development far more targeted today and that is the power of technology that is coming to it but it is also a matter of political priorities of governments willing to invest their budgets and perhaps of asking ourselves how much more money are we going to invest in the elusive notion that militaries guarantee on national security when poverty and destitution and the sense of unfairness of actually be at the heart of virtually every civil strife conflict in the last twenty years we need to invest in development we need to invest in making sure that people are not left behind look at the societies who are succeeding today they are the ones who have taken that. paradigm on board and that shapes the development journey of these countries. head of the united nations development program thank you very much for talking to obviously or thank if your.
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cultural i believe down to muslims had a far greater effect on europe than europe on the middle east. and the crusaders fought for old christmas because they failed to recognise the moment i don't know how it was in the list campaign of colonization that exploded religion in the name of the cross of the crusades an arab perspective the final episode liberation this time on the jersey you know whether on line i want to start here on my laptop with a tweet or if you join us on saturday there was a rush of adrenaline will be felt this is the moment that we have been waiting for this is a dialogue the government has cool face i need to protest i'll stop to police to force this past the krauts everyone has a voice for voting for the last. different reasons what's different types of bricks
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join the global conversation on mt is iraq. for nine hundred forty six to nine hundred fifty eight the united states detonated dozens of atomic bombs in the marshall islands when the us was getting ready to clean up and leave at least nine hundred seventy s. he picked the pit that had been left by one of the smaller atomic explosions and dumped a lot of this who tony and other radioactive waste into the pit the bottom of the dome it's permeable soil there was nowhere for her to line it and therefore the sea water is inside the dome when this dome was built there was no factoring in sea level rises caused by climate change now every day when the tide rolls out radioactive isotopes from underneath the die roll out with it. really. we're not talking just a marshall islands we're talking the whole smooshed. on counting the cost
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blame it on briggs it's one trillion dollars worth of assets shifted out of the u.k. change is in the aviation plus small and creepy the latest consumer gadgets connected to the internet on show in las vegas counting the cost. a handshake shrouded in secrecy a new report reveals how far president donald trump went to high details of a nice thing with that i mean person. hello on the stars detail and this is al jazeera live from doha also coming up
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demanding a recount the runner up in the democratic republic of congo's presidential election challenges the results. the indonesian government's failure to warn people led to more deaths in september's ass quake plus. it was a pleasure for me. to welcome. you to. the eerie green you mean a saudi teenager who fled from her family fearing for her life gets a warm welcome in canada. the u.s. president's links with russia under scrutiny for a second successive day donald trump has been accused of concealing details of a meeting with russian leader vladimir pierson a report in the washington post alleges donald trump didn't release any notes made by his untapped percent after he met pearson in hamburg and twenty seventeen trump
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reportedly instructed the translator not to tell anyone in his administration what had been discussed he's appeared on us t.v. to deny the allegations. why not release the conversation that you had with president putin in the house thinking along with some other stops that might involve them. in the whole lot of them world you need i would i don't care i mean i had a conversation like every president did you sit with the president to various countries i do it with all countries we had a great conversation we were talking about israel and securing israel and for lots of other things it was a great conversation i'm not keeping anything under wraps i couldn't care less. castro has more from washington d.c. . we know of at least five private meetings between u.s. president donald trump and amir putin during trump's presidency and the reporting
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in this washington post article focuses on the twenty seventeen g. twenty meeting in hamburg germany we know that during this meeting president was also then the u.s. secretary of state rex tillerson and trump's personal interpreter now tillerson following this meeting told reporters that a wide variety of topics were discussed and that among them trump had pressed who wouldn't whether russia had meddled in the u.s. elections which putin denied than target or told other senior administration officials that trump responded with the words i believe you but since then the lips of that interpreter have been sealed and we may know the reason why now what into this reporting in the washington post with which cites former and current u.s. officials they say that trump instructed the interpreter not to reveal details of this meeting not even to four other not even to other administration officials and
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the reporting says that trump took possession of the notes of the interpreter and the result is that not only is there no detailed record of what was discussed between these two leaders in the public arena there may not even exist records in classified records either all of this would which would handicap u.s. foreign policy experts which may have weighed in and influence the president's policy decisions into the future regarding russia and perhaps the biggest threat of all to the u.s. is giving putin extra leverage to manipulate the president. well a u.s. house of representatives committee says it will look into another report on president trump this one by the new york times the newspaper claims the f.b.i. opened an inquiry to find out if he was secretly working on behalf of russia against u.s. interests it says the investigation began and may twenty seventeen. then f.b.i.
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director james comey counterintelligence investigators were assigned to evaluate whether trump was a potential threat to national security the f.b.i. also sought to determine whether the president was deliberately working for russia or had unintentionally been influenced by moscow has rejected the allegations saying it's the most insulting article i've ever had written about me bruce fein is a former u.s. associate deputy attorney general and a constitutional lawyer he says this revelation could lead to more investigations. and no other president has ever done anything that skates close to the line of acting on behalf of foreign intelligence service or a foreign country it would necessarily constitute treason which under the united states constitution requires a living of war but certainly the evidence that was accumulated suggesting that
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there was some kind of collaboration between president trump and russia because the house democrats you know now control the house of representatives they can undertake an investigation issue subpoenas to those at the f.b.i. and even though this wasn't you know a crime necessarily it certainly bears on the fitness of the president for office and which means impeachment covers actions that are short of criminal activity but where does this go next and i can guarantee you that the house government affairs and oversight committee will probably issue subpoenas on monday to get the bottom of this why did the f.b.i. think the evidence was credible enough to suggest that mr trump was actually spying on behalf of the country of russia well the u.s. secretary of state is due in within the next hour on the latest leg of his middle east tour mike from payers calling for unity among gulf states that are in dispute with one another pump a is already met the crown prince of ivy dobby in the united
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arab emirates and he is expected to head to the saudi capital riyadh off to visit in cata saudi arabia and the u.a.e. are two of four countries that have blockaded cast off for the past eighteen months for supporting what they call terrorist groups cattery leaders deny the accusations . joins us live from the hotel here in doha weapon peo is set to meet cattles foreign minister hesham what's on the agenda today. started today the u.s. secretary is going to meet with the qatari foreign minister. and then scion memorandum of understanding of the same time we have different activities happening at the same time basically the u.s. qatari forum about the need to further expand cooperation between the united states of america and qatar in terms of trade qatar has huge investments of the united states of america and they would like to further expand that relationship political
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the united states of america has been seeing there it needs qatar on board to attack a regional problems particular the fight against i said war in d.m.n. and. war in syria and regional stability and also there is military cooperation has been purchasing military gear from the united states over the last few years expanded over the last few years and they are going also to tackle issues like the expansion of the. military base this is the base where the americans have been maintaining a military presence for many years then he's going to meet with the emir of qatar shift to me and have a family that's where they were going to further talk about some of the regional issues and particularly the g.c.c. crisis and action given this diplomatic crisis that's continued for a year and a half what can the u.s. realistically achieve with this visit. well it's quite interesting that when we heard secretary pompei are talking about the need for the g.c.c.
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to remain united without further elaborating on whether there is any potential for any political way out unless there are some talks now behind closed doors now the chances for a settlement anytime soon that doesn't seem to be the case in a tour however this surprise visit yesterday to doha by the g.c.c. secretary general of the latif is the only and their own money foreign minister use of been eye level. he is really interesting of this could be an indication of the push we don't know at this particular moment with those coming from saudi arabia or from the g.c.c. to find a way to the political crisis but the divisions have been going on for quite some time and it remains to be seen whether the bomb per year to day has fresh ideas to discuss with the qatari. officials about the need for all the countries to set
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aside their differences and negotiate a political settlement this is quite interesting from an american perspective because. his thought of his visit to the region he spoke about the need for the g.c.c. to stand united and the americans would like to maintain or establish some sort of an arab nature comprised basically of the juices the countries to contain what d.c. considers to be the growing iranian influence in the region but they know that if they don't have the g.c.c. united the chances for the united states of america to tackle eisel in the middle east and war in yemen and contain what it considers to be iran's growing influence will be really slim. hashim the whole bara speaking to us there live from here in doha thanks hashan. well the syrian army is preparing for an offensive by turkish forces on the kurdish rebel stronghold of men bitch syria's government has deployed soldiers artillery and tanks to the northwest suburbs of the city as u.s.
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forces prepare to leave turkish troops have carried out military exercises at the border with syria ahead of this expect this expected offensive and considers the kurdish y p g a terrorist group and u.s. secretary of state mike pompei was hopeful of an agreement with turkey to protect its kurdish allies who fought the war against eisel the kurds are bracing for the imminent operation sin and cos the early reports from northern syria. preparing for battle these men are members of the free syrian army as hamza brigade their allies of the turkish military are on a war footing and preparing for an offensive on the kurdish out city of human bridge in northern syria these fighters say they will not be left behind to mom and ask with or without the u.s. withdrawal we will complete this military offensive that we are ready for a leaderships order. men bit just controlled by the u.s. backed kurdish wipe e.g.
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turkey considers as the syrian branch of the kurdistan workers' party or p k k which it recognizes as a terrorist group. enduring some of this brigade are syrian kurds who say the white cannot be at the kurds legitimate representative in the war in syria. most of the kids fled to germany iraqi kurdistan because of the y.p. g.'s oppression they force you even girls for military service on the front lines they charge an affordable taxi. many people support the military offensive surrounded by the p.k. cambridge and forces and the populations living in fear of more places and liberated in the why pigeon is gone we can have a better business life this is our came out and it is one of two military bases which will coordinate the expected upcoming offensive on the eastern side of the euphrates river and the city of. turkey stays kurdish civilians will not be
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targeted but some people in members are not convinced that funny. since we learned the us will withdraw many of our friends volunteered to join man military council to defend our city will protect ourselves. of course we have for years now we live in peace with really perform our religion but when other groups can there will be corruption thank you dave and night the turkish army continues to strengthen its forces inside syria sending a message that the offensive could start soon seen on kosovo al-jazeera northern syria. the head of yemeni intelligence has died of his wounds two days after a drone strike on a military parades five others died and forty five were injured in days attack in the hedge province. a legal battle is underway in the democratic republic.


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