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so they they created the global magnitsky act which passed unanimously in 2016 which goes after bad guys everywhere and and the united states government has been rolling it out quietly and steadily across all different parts of the world and when jamal khashoggi was was brutally murdered i saw this and i thought this is like the textbook case for the magnitsky act he was a truth teller he was exposing corruption in his regime in the regime that he came for in the saudi regime and then they lured him to the saudi consulate in istanbul and extrajudicial e murdered him in the most gruesome reflect way if there was no this was this was the textbook case for them and for the global magnitsky act and then they used it they used it on 17 saudis and they didn't use it on mohamed bin solomon and i and i along with many members of congress think that that's that's really bad and expanded as well in recent months into the european union what what what do you
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foresee for its its use in the e.u. can you see it for instance begin to influence what appears to be the fairly insidious and creeping russian influence in european political affairs i'm thinking of russian money allegedly used to prop up the. populist government in italy also suggestions of russian money being involved in breaks it. tell me about the european angle well so your key united states is the most powerful country in the world but if you get the united states doing saying sions and europe not then then these guys are all going to the south of france and buying villas in the hotel in front of the hotel du koppen in marbella in sardinia and so the so europe has to has to conform with the rest of the world in order for this to be an effective policy and europe up until now hasn't now in december we had a breakthrough in europe where they were finally after 9 years of my campaigning
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they finally agreed. in principle to do it but it in principle and having a law there's a lot of dots to connect and the devil is in the details and the one thing i can say is that europe is where the russians are most active they find lots of corrupt politicians and officials in the united kingdom in italy and in spain everywhere and they corrupt them and so europe is a very hard place to get this legislation passed they're fighting like hell behind the scenes right now to try to stop it and they've got countries like hungry in italy who are sort of at the moment sort of expressing objections. and even if it does get past getting 28 countries to agree on who to sanction is a very hard thing to do but it is the big prize if we get europe then we got them where they where it really hits them which is the villas the all that kind of stuff let me ask you about surrogate magnitsky now he was your lawyer in russia. as you
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explained he died in. prison in 2009. and all of these global. acts of legislation are in his name do you feel responsible for his death well i feel extremely responsible for his death he wouldn't be dead he wouldn't have died he would've suffered some horrific torture if he hadn't been my lawyer they effectively tortured him and killed him as my proxy and and so he was a young truly amazing great man with 2 children great great life ahead of him and he was cut short in the most horrific way at the age of $37.00 and for me every day i feel terrible about that and that's that is that feeling of guilt and that feeling of responsibility and the feeling of anger that drives me for nearly a decade to devote my entire life to getting justice for him well you've talked
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about revenge who at what point do you imagine you might feel. vengeful but it's not about revenge as it is about justice but you know just revenge revenge is something he has we're told it's part of justice it's that's what justice is you don't let people get away with with murder it's going well beyond sort of a magnitsky you know other many other victims come to me with their issues and their problems in that's it's become his legacy to to try to try to create a tool. a tool of fighting impunity in his name and so it's not just about justice for revenge or any of those things it's also about his legacy you talked about the $1000.00 gawks you talked about the trillions of the stole taking you back to your time at the beginning in russia as the soviet union fell you also made a fortune in a fund that was investing in the privatizations of the day taking advantage of
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century of the collapse of the soviet system isn't that exactly what they did definitely not what they did so 1st of all what i did was i when when they pride. ties the country had a stock market and i invested in the stock market and i vested in big companies in the stock market and what i did which is totally different than what they did was that the oligarchy and these corrupt officials were stealing from gas prom the biggest state company lukoil etc and i came up with an investment strategy which was to help to try to stop the stealing and to expose these guys as i was doing just the opposite which is they were stealing from the state from the people from their companies and i was researching how they were doing the stealing and then exposing the research the international media to get them to stop it which is how they which is why the regime turned on me and went after me in such a vicious and horrible way but isn't there a gap in timing here initially you made your money and then you. turned to
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criticizing know the regime initially you made your money in much the same way they did by taking advantage of a collapsing system well they only similarity is that we were both investing in the system at the very same time the difference was that almost immediately after i started i started exposing corruption which is which is i think that anybody who knew me in russia at the time said that's what russia needs that's a very brave thing to do and it's a good thing for russia nobody said it's a bad thing to do to invest in companies and i was doing it for money i wasn't doing it for the goodness of the state but to invest in companies expose corruption and try to stop it that definition only is is a good thing well given what was going on at that time then it could have come as much of a surprise to you when the rug was pulled out from under your feet because it did happen to mikhail khodorkovsky and other all the guards he's now a friend in our viewers here in london he stuck his nose into opposition politics he criticized the kremlin and he had his wings clipped as did all the others you
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must've seen that and thought what if i carry on like this the same fate befalls me all or did you feel somehow sort of immune as a phone well that arrogance is arrogance it was stupidity it was bad bad judgment. but it was also circumstance so for a while i could get away with doing it for a very weird reason which was that when vladimir putin came to power he he was he was really sort of powerless because the oligarchs were stealing power from him and so every time i was exposed one of these all of arcs he would come to my aid this is at the very beginning around the year 2000 he would come to my aid and and and there's this expression your enemy's enemy is your friend and so for a while it was on my side you know cleaning up russia the problem was that he wasn't trying to get rid of the oligarchy he just wanted to become the biggest oligarchy itself and. effectively did that by arresting michael horta kosky the
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richest man in russia you put the richest man in russia in jail and you for any one of the television cameras to film him sitting in a cage what's your natural reaction going to be as another all of arc is is you don't want to be in a cage and that was the moment that the oligarchs came to him and said what we have to do flatter me or to not sit in this cage and he said 50 percent and so at that moment then that was and late 20032 going into 2004 that was the moment that vladimir putin. turned in turn into the biggest oligarchy and that was the moment that my activities became intolerable to you no longer useful to him and indeed i mentioned you arrest in madrid last year interpol warrants 2 convictions in a censure do you fear for your life. well i i live in a very precarious position where any day i could be killed or arrested illegally rendered back to russia but i don't spend my life living in fear because if i did
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that they would have already achieved 90 percent of their objective and so i take precautions. when and how i can i know that probably all the precautions i take can prevent the russians from killing me if they really want to kill me. and. i carry on doing what i'm doing i'm not going to i'm not going to stand down while you've chosen quite some place in which to do it london the u.k. a country in which 121314 estimated russian critics have lost their lives have come to a sticky end in dubious circumstances in just recent years why here why are you in london why are you living such a public existence well as i said i'm not the person who's going to live in fear i'm not the person who's going to withdraw not the person who's going to go into hiding my reaction is to go straight back at them and. i'm not going to change locations. and you know the fate may or may you know deal me
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a very ugly blow but but that's the decision i've taken well from from the perspective of being in london. and in the context of the wider european question which we mentioned earlier why do you think these things keep happening in britain is it the case that britain is itself compromised in terms of its ability to deal with russia because of all the money parked here because of bragg's it because it can't in a sense afford to alienate countries like russia well what i've seen is that the british government on a regular basis doesn't create consequences for really horrific crimes committed by the russian government in this country and. xander living in co was murdered with radioactive polonium in 2006 and it was discovered that was the russian government who did this russian f.s.b. and there was no serious consequences just a few diplomats expelled alexander polygyny a whistleblower in our case was killed after jogging outside his home in surrey the
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police didn't even investigate it as a murder. and then of course the script all poisoning where high grade military chemical weapons were used in in a cathedral town in the center of the u.k. and the only thing that happened was 23 diplomats were expelled and those $33.00 diplomatic slots are now being negotiated to be replaced so some pretty undiplomatic language passed between the 2 but the diplomatic language words are cheap there is there was no consequences and so it's created an environment to allow this to happen and then the question is why and the answer is that this country is compromised because there is russian money that's polluted the political process here and i've seen it up close and personal where members of the british establishment into british law making bodies are taking money to support russians in the magnitsky case and other cases take lord barker. he's
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a member of the house of lords it's he's a lawmaker and he's on the parent payroll of all legged or pasta running around the world trying to reduce sanctions on em. why is that not illegal maybe it is illegal i don't know but that's outrageous and that's allowed to happen and nothing is nothing's being done about it you've described to me of putin not as a man of conviction or ideology but as a modern day public he didn't doesn't have he's not he's not like joseph stalin he's not doing all these crimes for some communist reason he's not he's not doing this for some religious reason he's doing this for money he's a kleptocrat all he cares about is money and staying alive but and that makes him much more similar to a public escobar than a joseph stalin or at all hitler the problem is that you give pablo escobar. the powers of a sovereign state with military and intelligence services and nuclear weapons and
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that's a stream a scary combination well speaking of staying alive and we certainly hope you do do you feel that the efforts that you've put in place now are unstoppable even potentially come a day when you're not around to loping constantly in that cause the absolutely the the magnitsky act is now turned into a viral phenomenon it's jumping from country to country to country there's magnitsky proposals all over the world in different parliaments and governments etc and of course i can help and i can stir up the pot make things happen but without my presence they would happen at the same time and in addition to that the the money laundering investigation the who got the $230000000.00 and sergei magnitsky was killed over has led to a massive international money laundering investigation which is snared danske a bank nor dia banks where bank credit suisse u.b.s. banks all over the world are 16 countries with money laundering investigations
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going on as a result of the making its case and its march much much larger than just the 230. bill browder thank you for talking to al-jazeera thank you. in a country with high youth unemployment one again i say sure helps turn school children into entrepreneurs look on tell us what i mean by the word fundraising empowering them to reclaim their futures week to shut them out of this story by sheer size how to make the best face and build more prosperous communities some of the invest the money into the business of school for life uganda part of the rebel education series on al-jazeera. i have been looking at your instagram account and reading takes into the apples for this is a dialogue when donald trump announce his candidacy for president carol after that
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alone welcoming pizza topping your watching all to 0 live from doha also coming up . protest. as the protesting again again in hong kong off a police crackdown on saturday. separatists in southern yemen agreed to a cease fire after 4 days of fighting in the port city of aden. also this half hour a peaceful stroll the new hiking trail alongside the demilitarized zone between north and south korea. in the last few hours israeli police have moved in to the al aqsa mosque compound in east jerusalem the 5 sound grenades during a standoff with palestinians at one of the gates to the holy site let's go straight live now to our correspondent i meet who joins us from east jerusalem others just
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walk us through what's going on there was the atmosphere like. certainly you can actually feel the tension even from my violent vantage point which is why the most compound is just behind me there now what we have been witnessing over the past hour or maybe a little bit more is this ebb and flow of people running you hear the blasts of stun grenades we've seen some smoke which i presume would have been some tear gas shot now we did speak to a police israeli police spokesman and he said that contrary to the decision that was taken earlier in the day not to allow the. jewish. religious nationalists rather to enter the compound they reversed that decision around 11 o'clock our time this morning g.m.t. simply because the number of muslims had diminished. considerably and so they
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decided to let in. religious nationalist and they say that they will continue letting them in ever wants to access. can do so that obviously will create and anger a lot of muslims have been a lot of tensions in the day leading to today the 1st day of. the muslims but also religious commemoration for the jews when that happens not very often but on this day it happened earlier in the day this whole esplanade was covered with thousands and thousands of worshipers now they have gone home to celebrate with their families still a few young people there we sowed israeli police enter the compound at this particular moment it seems to be quite calm all i can see from my vantage point is some of the paramedics but as we understand it still the standoff between the 2 sides is ongoing and the gates being closed when people are leaving the compound
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holder are they closing the gates behind people to ease tensions to stop people in country of the people or are they doing it to stoke the tensions because they know the people will be angry because they can't get back into the compound. well i think probably your last point would be the right one what the police are saying is that they haven't kicked anyone out of the complex but to every leave is not allowed to come back that would they would they would justify that as a security reason to ease the tensions but certainly it would be a move that will anger a lot of muslims simply because on the other hand while you're not allowing them to come back in you are allowing religious nationalist jewish religious nationalists to come in in the numbers they want to certainly it is a situation that is unfolding and as we all know each time these 2 sides come face
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to face skirmishes very quickly into violent clashes so certainly a situation that is being looked very closely by not only thirty's but also the palestinians thanks very much let's talk now to rami khouri who's a senior fellow and professor at the american university of beirut he joins us from the running theory welcome but good to have you back here on al-jazeera what do you make of how the authorities are handling this potential flashpoint situation. they're handling it in a pretty typical way as they've done for the last 45 years of occupation they use a restrictions they close areas they use violence they use tear gas they use live bullets. they try to use every possible means they have to make it clear that this is an area where the jewish people the israeli citizens the zionist believers
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have more rights than the indigenous palestinians some of whose families have been there for 800 or 900 years so that it's a pretty typical situation where the passions are inflamed on the palestinian side when they're prevented from going to pray at the one of their holiest sites in order to allow a small group of oprah right wing jewish nationalists who would probably be the equivalent of the white supremacists in the united states today if you're looking for a political equivalent these right wing jewish nationalist say that this is a jewish land it was ours thousands of years ago only we have rights here anybody who doesn't look like us pray like us speak like us and believe like us doesn't have the same rights as us and we are going to do that and force it by military means if we have to or by other means like colonise ation expelling people that cetera so this is typical it's been going on since 1967 actually it's been going on since the 1940 s. but since the occupation of arab east jerusalem in 100627 this has been the
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standard procedure and we're seeing it again we're going to keep seeing it again because the demographics are completely against the the israelis the arab population since 1067 has increased by 327 percent whereas the jewish population has increased by about 160 percent so the the long term prospects for dominant design is jewish israeli control are not very good and it's better for people to find. the political resolution to this in the meantime what we're seeing today is going to keep happening over and over the palestinians are not stupid they're not going to just go and get killed for no benefit they will regroup and try to find a political peaceful way to assert their presence in jerusalem and their right to their holy places and to do it peacefully like they did last year when they had tens of thousands of people praying outside the holy compound in the
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streets there so we'll see what happens in the next few days rami khouri we must leave it there but in the meantime thank you so much. muslims from around the world are in mecca today as the pilgrimage moves into day 3 it's the world's largest annual gathering worshippers will perform stoning of the devil ritual some will later sacrifice animals to mark the beginning of the holiday on saturday more than 2000000 people climbed mount arafat it's a sacred hill they prayed and recited the koran. to be more protests in hong kong in a weekend of demonstrations which saw the police firing tear gas most of the rallies are not authorized by the police the city is now entering its 9th week of unrest activists have also been demonstrating at the international airport to make arriving tourists aware of their campaign of mcbride is live for us in hong kong rob i see we've got the addition of a gas mask does that mean there is tear gas or expecting tear gas.
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well it means it could be eminent peter it's a bit of a precaution at the moment but when you see the police putting them out that's a pretty good indicator that if you've got a mask it's probably best to put it on let me tell you where we are we aren't changing one police station on the abana has just gone up. warning them not to use force and i'll tell you who was there expecting to use force in just a 2nd this is a police station in the junction one district of the cow little room where this money was just a legal has and it a lot of people have gone home but many fountains have ended up here and the homes toned down here and they have been gradually moving forward you can see that i cannot fault and zoom in a bit we can say that that's not the umbrellas up there are still some confused traffic realizing that some are going to take the family not backing away quite quickly the police are being warning them not to do any closer not to come any
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closer to this police station they're basically pretty much barricaded in at the moment all through this and these on my way have not seen at the office what gets them very angry is the use of these laser pens when they see these later pens being used i do by a pack with rifles using the so-called non-lethal ammunition now missing leahy think you just might get a response. we are waiting to see what they do about the situation at the moment this is one demonstration and there is another legal demonstration would teach me taking place over on hong kong island and worthwhile. something. relatively quick which would have to be said. that the tactics. are slightly. sometimes when you think there is going to be
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a clash then the protestors melt away again and move on to another area throughout their weekend of incredible incredible civil disobedience peter. you kind of anticipated the next point i was going to ask you about rob there about a change of tactics because this is what 9 weeks into 10 weeks almost now we're heading into week 10 the police must be tired the demonstrators must be tired are the protesters may be tilting towards a situation where they've got to come up with something else that doesn't make them almost literally collide with the security forces collide with the police. well i mean we've seen that the. tactics have been changing and morphing day last night saturday night throughout hong kong they were separated to much smaller groups much more the running around blocking intersections. carryout barriers acts of civil disobedience and so on forming barricades and
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actually what they have done now is every i think you can see that there have actually shown that they have been busy behind the scenes and building up our carriers and remains to be seeing now if they're going to be pushing this carried forward which is probably i think what they're going to try and do. but their tactics do change they have this philosophy here peter it's based actually on bruce lee the. legend of karate here of kind of. who had this philosophy of the water which basically means that water at times stronger can be a tar and i thought at times it can be as soft. as it is difficult to grasp hold of the changes the more and that's what i thought the pacing of protest tactics are and become please drew sleazily still a legend here and because of these people are young good friends you know just a little bit impressionable.


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