Skip to main content

tv   Lassina Zerbo  Al Jazeera  November 10, 2019 11:32am-12:01pm +03

11:32 am
against the government in iraq's capital security forces were deployed in both baghdad and basra some demonstrators torched government buildings oil giant saudi aramco has detailed a list off risks as it prepares to sell shares publicly for the 1st time it singled out terrorism government interference in business and state caps on oil production spain is holding its 4th general election in just 4 years prime minister petra sanchez called for the latest election after failing to rally enough support to form a new government the vote come amid weeks of violent clashes between catalan separatists and police and you're looking at the live picture right now from barcelona in spain where polls have opened right across the country. those are the headlines on al-jazeera talks al-jazeera is coming up next thanks for watching by. u.s. president donald trump is about to host takis presidents rejecting how to run at the white house with their countries and syria right into us.
11:33 am
join us for a sense of. just want. to. see. the $6945.00 an american b. $29.00 bomber drops the 1st of atomic bomb over the japanese city of hiroshima. at least 140000 people were killed in the attack. tens of thousands more died later because of the effects of radiation ever since the end of the 2nd world war there's been an international consensus an effort to contain the spread of nuclear weapons. the global community has created several organizations and signed treaties to prevent potential nuclear attacks as of today 9 countries have admitted to possessing nuclear weapons but only 5
11:34 am
a part of the 1968 nuclear nonproliferation treaty which calls on its signatories to open the doors for inspection by the international atomic energy agency the i.a.e.a. is one of the organizations promoting the peaceful use of nuclear technology while a 996 treaty banned all nuclear tests for both civilian and military purposes but there are 12 states which have neither signed nor ratified the treaty among them of 3 with nuclear weapons north korea india and pakistan. with north korea launching missiles on the growing conflict between india and pakistan can the world prevent a nuclear attack. the executive secretary of the comprehensive nuclear test ban treaty organization dr list seen as servo talks to al-jazeera. listeners a executive secretary for the comprehensive nuclear test ban treaty organization
11:35 am
thank you for talking to al-jazeera. can we start really with the thought that peace and stability was hard for to after the 2nd world war 2 nuclear bombs hit japan in like a sucky and hiroshima and it brought the stark reality of what nuclear warfare could do to this planet for the global community to come together and say we shouldn't ever use these in war or conflict. many decades have passed since that agreement or such and certainly since that incident how problematic has proliferation and nuclear development become in the decades following the 2nd world war to where we are now in 2019 you put it right it's been nearly 75 years that the 2 bombs were detonated in the moment there's that and since then there's been a lot of discussion international agreement the nonproliferation treaty the comprehensive
11:36 am
nuclear test ban treaty and many desire money and nonproliferation of agreement to try and. find a way to stop what the world saw as a very devastating for all of us for our planet and how could we prepare the next generation for a more peaceful and world that has been the challenge for the past years but as we succeeded in we are facing the same situation as if we were the day after the 2 want to bomb we must now there's a because today still the most crucial political moral and social challenge is. to stop a nuclear explosion from operating on this planet again indeed and various politicians on various continents have their own issues and worries concern and needs regarding either nuclear technology or nuclear armament so let's begin in the
11:37 am
middle east because the collapse of the iran nuclear agreement has been headline news for at least since president trump came into power forcing really the european signatories to that document to generally take sides it's still a difficult situation how do you read it at this moment it is a difficult situation for all of them for us for europe and for you on foreign ministers that if you gave the keynote speech. of the minix security conference call group one of the thing that he said was to sum up the situation in the middle east i think shouldn't be taken in the 0 sum game because you have to find a deal where everyone feel victorious that's what a great deal could be but a deal is never perfect the deal is perfect what iran is looking at today despite the situation in the u.s. is that europe stand on its commitment that's what foreign ministers that is was
11:38 am
talking about but we have to find a situation where we put in we sacrifice our pride and ego to a certain extent and then to look at the interests of humanity the interests of the international community and that's a difficult task but it's a task that is possible and that we have to strive for if it is a task that is possible how does your organization fit into that considering the u.n. are involved and various other interested parties and stakeholders who are dare i say whispering in the is various allies whether it be the us whether it be the european partners or even iran precisely soiler think our the musician. like the overall u.n. context we hear to contribute to peace and stability. but we can only contribute if people take us seriously i mean if you take the comprehensive nuclear test ban treaty this treaties long view but this treaty has been seen as one of the more
11:39 am
adhere to nuclear armament a treaty on earth today but you have 184 countries that have signed up to destry t. 168 that are that if i and yet this treaty is still pending that if occasion in the middle east iran egypt and israel are all signed a treaty we can create through this treaty a condition of dialogue dialogue understanding mitchell trust because it always starts in the middle east with mr us or destroy us and that's one thing that foreign ministers that he was talking about again do you think there is a way forward for both iran and the u.s. to try and find. a meeting point a middle ground where they can discuss because at the moment they seem just so to the viewer at home just poles apart. i think there is if you look at what happened in north korea i mean for long people never thought that there would be an opportunity of dialogue between the u.s.
11:40 am
and north korea why shouldn't we think that there is a possibility between iran and the u.s. i think both sides of shown interest in finding the solution. and finding an opportunity for dialogue bourse president trump president romney of express their will to to sit on a table or around the table to discuss but they've all given some conditions it's the condition that basically make me say that sometime we have to sacrifice our pride and then put ego a little bit behind and then look at the international community's interests i think there is a way to approach this issue in a way where everyone feels comfortable does the fact that saudi arabia for example is currently talking to the u.s. about nuclear capability and nuclear armaments because there have been talks in washington they haven't quite meet reached the point for any sort of formal agreement because reality doesn't want to sign up to the checks and balances
11:41 am
required to have nuclear material or nuclear development on its soil for civilian purposes to be developed for military military purposes and that worries the u.s. to give them that i don't feed what is only the u.s. of it when you talk about checks and balances when you talk about nuclear. nonproliferation in the context the geopolitical context we're living in now if you don't get those check and balance right i think it's a door open for many many situation that will be uncontrollable so how do we ask you know one sides of the world to say you you can only do this and then to the other side will love. to say you can go forward without signing the check and balance that goes with the i mean the framework of nonproliferation and design them and i think that's something that is key it's key for us but it's key for the international community saw the mini agreement that are still standing saudi says it wants to have
11:42 am
a nuclear capability to counter iran are they justified in their concern for what iran has developed over the past few decades. iran has always argued that no intention to develop nuclear weapons they say they have the right to nuclear capability for peaceful uses there is a framework to control this under the n.p.t. and then there is an agency that deal with this issue i think as long as we get iran to comply with the agreement that is set for to making sure that they don't pass that limit where the perception will be that they have the intention of developing nuclear weapons i think we are in good books what we have to do is to make sure there is a strict compliance to those agreements that are set for the g c p o e being one of them and in many other international agreement you mentioned the comprehensive nuclear test ban treaty you know i've always argued that within the
11:43 am
way we could have included the city bt as part of the deal since you don as always argued that the have no intention to build a nuclear weapon but in the disappear here you have 2 major country that are not about to fire the compliance of nuclear test ban treaty so how do you come and tell somebody that you know i want your doorstep to be clean and then when mine is not clean that's a situation that probably put the city between the difficult institutions of the j.c. i mean because that in the water at the moment. i wouldn't think so i think there's still hope let's hope that. people come to sense and as i said that we put we sacrifice our pride to a certain extent and then we find room for dialogue you touched on or north korean of course it sort of links into the us is that a cheat both to iran and north korea with iran that says they have no desire for a nuclear weapon the u.s. has come down on them quite heavily yet with north korea who openly say we do have
11:44 am
a nuclear arsenal and we do have the missiles that could possibly be or carry a nuclear warhead the u.s. is happy to talk and to negotiate and to accommodate people and young yeah i think soil your you're touching exactly one of the challenges that you know people like myself having when we talk to. you both in the developing world i mean people always tell me exactly what you see north korea is showing muscles with regard to nuclear weapon capability and iran isn't at this level yet because they haven't tested so far so why are we treating those 2 differently in one hand we have north korea that has shown some culpability with regard to possess a nuclear weapon and an opportunity to talk to them and then come this question does it mean that you need to shore. muscles before people agree to sit on the
11:45 am
table with you that's a question that many young people are asking me and i have no answer to this question except in saying that you know we will try and encourage dialogue both with iran and north korea even if they're in the 2 of the different situation how unpredictable is north korea in terms of the diplomatic attitude you experienced i wouldn't say that north korea is unpredictable i wouldn't say i see one predictable to the viewer at home and to the ordinary person whether they're in mumbai in edinburgh or in islamabad new delhi or johannesburg i'll put it. i would say those who are dealing with north korea are too predictable that's the way i would put it north korea can be perceived unpredictable but when you go to talk to a country that is testing the only country that is testing nuclear weapon in this 21st century and you don't put forward the framework that we all agreed
11:46 am
internationally what do you expect people to think but north korea is also very concerned about its own you might say post nuclear security it feels that its sovereignty will be impinged weakened they will be invaded i mean how do you reassure people that that isn't the intention from the conversations you've been having with world leaders trust comes with respect. so if north korea filespec that they will feel trusted and then they will come to dialogue as it started but when you come to delhi it's all about give and take what is north korea getting out of the discussion that are happening so far. they feel insecure what can we bring on the table to make them feel secure. we have international agreement we have regional agreement we have dialogue not only with the united states we have dialogue with russia we have dialogue with many other
11:47 am
country south korea for that matter how do we create the condition for the north to feel at ease with the south 1st because that's where it's matters they've always argued that the forces that aren't there border making them feel very insecure they've said if you remove those forces will stop testing and there will come to a table of discussion and then give more and more. so how do we deal of the situation that's something that is beyond my paycheck but it's also beyond the u.s. is remit to lift sanctions they would have to go back to the u.n. for several issues when it comes to sanctions it's not just the u.s. decision alone while you can have those conversations where president trump is willing to talk to kim jong un. he's also got his hands tied slightly in that he can't act alone. of course he can't act alone but when you measure when you mention sanctions listening recently again to foreign ministers that if he's been arguing
11:48 am
strongly that sanction will never work in the end you give the number of centrifuges that iran has before the sanction and the number of centrifuges that they have under the sanctions. they've gone from a couple of 100 to tens of thousands so what does it mean and they've been strongly saying that they will not stand you give an example recently again that if for 7000 years they are than being wiretapped of this planet it's been this 11 long way to go so you have a country that takes its culture and its history very strongly and takes. the middle east as part of his is d.n.a. and then filled that they can find a solution regionally and then fill also threaten but i wouldn't say the rest of the world but a part of the world that is saying you know you're not allowed to do this you can
11:49 am
only do this but we're not creating the conditions for you to not do what we don't think you should do then in another hand we have all those agreement that we are asking. to adhere to but others are not forced the same way to adhere to your mention north korea but i'll give you a simple example in my part of the world when a country in africa wants for instance to join the u.n. security council as a nonpermanent member what comes on the table is in their negotiations they say ok yes we would vote for you or will accept you in the security council but you thought about about defying this treaty or disagreement or joining another framework that is internationally adhere to but we should do that to everyone and then people feel safe and then people feel trusted and then they can trust
11:50 am
multilateral diplomacy in terms of diplomacy let's head to south asia because the impasse between india and pakistan 2 nuclear powered countries. and certainly with large stockpiles of nuclear material have had a long running and a more city that is perhaps a as long as the end of the 2nd world war really they were also on either side of the cold war pakistan's supported the usa india in directly the us former u.s.s.r. this past year has been very difficult for. both countries over territorial claims . and there is a thought that their nuclear arsenal will increase. significantly by 2025 how much of a concern is that for you if if i take india and pakistan with regard to the treaty that i'm dealing with the comprehensive nuclear test ban treaty i would say pakistan as shawn has been forthcoming because they're now an observer to the city
11:51 am
bt. they've opened up the possibility of a regional agreement with india still awaiting india as a response to this they've said clearly that they are for a world free of nuclear weapon as long as all parties come to the table and agree that this is the way forward they've shown interests in moving towards a peaceful solution of the regional problem that they have a place with regard to the compliance of nuclear test ban treaty it is my hope that india. shore some interests in that respect and that will create a condition or for a region of dialogue at least a bilateral discussion between india and pakistan that to create the condition for stability and peace in that part of the world but how do we do that i think we do that if i take for instance the issue of joining the nuclear suppliers group that
11:52 am
has been in discussion for so long your talk about tekken balances i mean should the international community put conditions on india's accession to the nuclear suppliers group one of them being the signature of the comprehensive nuclear test ban treaty it's been on the table when people ask me that question for sure i would say that i would love to see that but how do we put india in a situation that they feel comfortable enough to see that in the check and balances signing the comprehensive test ban treaty does no damage and if any it will help them create a condition of trust that other feel they need to be joining the nuclear suppliers group and then when. to put pakistan this is the question because as soon as they have regional difficulties normally of a territorial claims of a kurdish mir there is often talk by the extreme right in either country that it's only about pressing a button that that concerns it does concern the international community it concerns nationals from each of those 2 countries 2 that you know we would potentially
11:53 am
possibly go to war so you absolutely know when i hear the word pushing the button a minute it frightens me. because my biggest hope is that when we get close to any catastrophe i think we come to a sense somehow and i think i see no way in this civilized world norway in this 21st century any decent government or dissent political leader thinking about pushing the button of the nuclear weapon because they're nor how devastating that could be but it's not a war that anyone can win it for all of us to lose it's about how many you lose an army a loss that's basically what it is in recent weeks we've seen the turkish president of the world talk about his country should have a nuclear arsenal yet turkey signed the nuclear nonproliferation treaty in 1980 and also signed in 1906 the comprehensive nuclear test ban treaty i wouldn't think so
11:54 am
really soil i don't think it is present to weren't just talking off the top of that he talks about the fact that israel has has missiles and a nuclear arsenal but nobody touches them and i think we are in the. political game where it's a mind war i would put it this way i think people are putting themself in a situation where it's become easy to talk about the perception of double standard that they see in multilateral diplomacy and that's probably what pushes the president to talk. why one part as a nuclear weapon in this region and then other wouldn't have it but i think we all agreed that the fact that we've been able for the past 75 years to contain the probably finish no nuclear weapon to 5 or possibly 9 as people talk about it is already in itself a great achievement but at the same time. one needs to take what president says
11:55 am
seriously and then always create the condition of dialogue that will get him to specify what he means and how we can deal of the situation that neatly brings me to a conversation that needs to be heard really between russia and the united states they are pulling back from the agreements that they've had for several decades signed in the reagan gorbachev era and there is a real concern internationally that we're now looking towards a new arms race and certainly a new nuclear missiles race sean that russia when russia and the united states are talking the world is a better place why because they are the 2 super power in terms of nuclear arsenal but not only that it's the influence that they have in the different regions of this planet it's through many international agreement a bilateral agreement between those 2 are falling apart and now want to give the
11:56 am
opportunities through the comprehensive nuclear test ban treaty to create the condition of trust not only between the u.s. and russia among the p 5 we have 2 among the p 5 countries that are not allowed to fail to see to bt china and the united states what's it going to take to get the comprehensive nuclear test ban treaty ratified globally is it going to happen in our lifetime i hope so. if if the comprehensive test ban treaty doesn't progress in a way where we can for seats are trying to force i don't see a future for nuclear disarmament of compliance of nuclear test ban treaty 2 days or nor hanging fruit in arms control in nonproliferation if we can catch that fruit when we go. we have the prohibition treaty that is now in place i mean by many states that have signed this treaty but the p 5 the nuclear weapon state out of
11:57 am
fusing to adhere to display bishan treaty so when we start we have in one hand people think we should ban all nuclear weapon from this planet and people who feel that testing is a step towards banning this this is what i feel if you can get the world to. explosion once and for all how do we get them to buy nuclear weapons listening as a executive secretary for the comprehensive nuclear test ban treaty organization thank you for talking to al-jazeera thank you for that thank you thanks. russia has jeopardized the united states security interests we know what you are doing and you will not succeed perceptions from the outside looking. into the picture from the inside. think russia's foreign policy is to soft. russian
11:58 am
goals to be achieved not. to view russia on al-jazeera. the un published the most comprehensive study of life on. they found 1000000 species face extinction that's more than 12 percent of known life on. one truck to destroy the much oil infrastructure of which all well depends. identifies the 5 main drivers of this big logical crisis the way we use and abuse all products resources 75 percent of the land and to the marine environment have been severely altered by human activity exploitation of species through over fishing and hunting climate change caused by a greenhouse gas emissions pollution and finally the how to create tama locally ecosystems by invasive species. who are supposed to save the decline can be slowed
11:59 am
even stopped in some cases but to do that we must transform our relationship with. what are you protesting about how does this in question whether online life face minstrelsy comes directly out of trans legislatively or if you join us on set this is an attack on academic freedom and on our ability to do research and teach freely this is a dialogue myanmar is not making it very welcoming for people to come back everyone has a voice on the true shrilled the discussion is real but not in your to talk about solutions on al-jazeera the u.s. is a tipping point scientists are telling us right now that we have just 12 near this us the world's leaders to agree on a solution. to taking the tools into their own. what
12:00 pm
he. would try to suction to get people to understand that it kills people and that it kills people now it's critically both sides return the people stores don't know jersey. opposition leader has finally been. under house arrest charged with treason. also ahead spanish voters head to the polls for the 4th time in. iraqi security move to take control of protests sites across the city.


info Stream Only

Uploaded by TV Archive on