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no, but if they're with those 59 governments know this line, they were a little bit richer in richer than the other one. little bit of all your rank, the other one. lots more on this story and others on our website. al-jazeera dot com. check it out. this is al-jazeera, these are the top stories. at least 3 rockets have been fired eritrea's capital in a major escalation of ethiopia, civil war. and after days of denial, an official in ethiopia, steger a region has admitted its, its forces carried out an attack which sparked the fighting to go his own are the gully. but what, you must understand that the 2 great people are at risk, both internally and externally, eritrea on one and ethiopian forces on all sides. this move was purely
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a self-defense measure small countries when they feel the risk of a stronger enemy which is about to destroy them. they often carry out a preemptive strike like this. one of the middle ethnic armenians have been destroying their own homes as they leave the going to come back before sunday's handover to azerbaijan. armenia state security says it's full of an assassination attempt on prime minister nicole the united states to set yet another record in 1000 cases, reporting more than 180000 infections in 24 hours. this is thousands of supporters of u.s. president donald trump held a mass demonstration in washington. d.c. many eckerd trumps claims of fraud during last week's election. multiple news outlets have declared joe biden as a projected winner and u.s. authorities have said the elections were the most secure in history. reporters without borders has cautiously welcomed
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a decision by egypt to release 5 journalists from prison. only 2 of them have been actually let go and dozens more remain in prison. last month, a group of american and european politicians called on president of the fattah el-sisi to release activists lawyers and journalists, as well as prisoners of conscience. more than 60 genocide in jail in egypt, which ranks near the bottom of the list on the world press freedom index. in thailand, thousands of anti-government protesters have rallied at bangkok's democracy, monument activists climb the structure and try to end a sheet covered in messages. they believe the prime minister not just rule is illegitimate and that he should resign. demanding more accountability from the king . as i had lines of us, what's next? talk to motors there are. we heard scott realistically, how can you do with institutionalised corruption in this country? if we listen, if this breaks up into a conflict between budgets, the un and india,
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this has implications for the rest of the world. we meet with global newsmakers and talk about the stories, the 0. i am steve clemons and i have a question with the election behind us. will the republican party dump truck up? let's get to the bottom line. even though he was voted out of the white house, most agree that donald trump and trump is and are not going away. the vote was close. the senate is still republican controlled, and republican members of congress defeated democrats all over the country. so even though he lost the election, trump is still the major force driving his base and his party. what does it mean for the future of republicans over the next few years? what lessons is the party learning from this election? and how would they deal with the incoming democratic administration led by joe biden. kamel harris. joining me is former senator chuck hagel, who has served as defense, secretary in the obama administration. he was
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a conservative senator from nebraska and a lifelong republican, well known as one of america's lead, bipartisan voices sectorial. thank you so much for joining us today. you're part of a group called the national council on election integrity. we've just had this major election more americans voted in this election than have voted in a century in this country. they're back, they're back at it. a lot of people are saying that election is not over. you are a republican, but one who does not support donald trump. what do we need to achieve at this point to get a sound secure trustable election result that more americans will believe in that are they are on the case now. steve, thanks for having me on. i've always believed the essence of democracy is a trust and confidence in our a free fair, secure our elections. and if most americans feel that this past election
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was fair and was secure and was honest, then that's a big thing. that's a big deal because that's where you start. if the citizenry of this country don't believe that the elections were fair or if they were stolen or if they were fraudulent, they're not going to believe anything. they're not going to believe in. their leaders are not going to believe what their leaders say. so i think to a great extent, we've accomplished a good deal of that. i know there are lawsuits. there will be more i know there are recounts, but we've always had recounts it's in the law. you can have recounts. but i think what we've got to do is try to find ways and leaders have this responsibility . 'd to really answer readjust america's confidence in its institutions. again, you do that not by saying it or talking about it. but by showing that they can
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trust their institutions of governance. and by the way, not just governance, the media all has to to sions, higher education, religion, journalism, the law congress, politics and no, it's not a perfect picture, but i think that's where you start. and i think if joe biden can accomplish that, and in the 1st few years of his administration, he will have brought this country back a long way and that's, that's what we have to do. we've got to trust the system. then. then we can have heard a base and we can have our differences then we can fight it out. but, but that trust and confidence is the number one baseline for tomorrow. secretary hagel what failed? i remember covering you in the united states senate and you didn't always like my covered sometimes, you know, you would duck me, but i would, i would, i would, you know, ask you in the sense that you were unpredictable to me on occasion. you were not
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a predictable vote in one column, particularly in foreign policy issues. and i'm just wondering, one, are you bothered by how predictable votes have become voters on the supreme court votes in the united states senate? you know, i'm just wondering where the thinking in introspection is, you know, and i think secondly, what happened to that kind of republican, why have you failed and your colleagues failed to keep the republican party a thoughtful party? well, obviously i can't speak for my former colleagues or anybody in office now, but for me, steve, answer your question. i always had a northstar didn't mean i was always right or i had the right answer, but i had a northstar. i knew why i was there and i used to say, and you heard me say it and i said in the form of a cite and speeches when i was being i was being ridiculed by some of
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my republican colleagues as a rhino republican name on and i was, i was disloyal to the republican party. i used to say, we take an oath of office to the constitution. we don't take an oath of office to a political party or a president or anybody else, just the constitution. and as long as you have that privilege of serving this country and some capacity in elective office, your focus, your northstar should be what you think is the right thing to do for your country. obviously who you represent your state. but for your country. and i never got confused about that again. didn't mean i was any better than anybody else where i was right all the time. but i think we've lost some of that and i think we lost over the years. i don't think it was just president trump. i think he put a fine point on it the last 4 years, but this idea of you got to be all republican or all democrat and support everything the democrat says, or their vote and say, or you're not
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a good party member is nonsense. we've never been that way. there's no corner on the market on good ideas or honesty or the right thing by one party and the other party is excluded. so that's a democracy. that's the way democracies work. you come together, you listen, each other struck each other. you debate out your differences, you subtler you compromise and you move, you move the country ahead for the good country. you know, you're well no as a foreign policy realist. and for those who want to quick dose of what real is a means, that means you see the world as it is not the world you'd like it to be. you know, as you see, other foreign leaders looking at our leadership right now, both in donald trump and this change to joe biden. in the white house, from a realist perspective, what are they seeing? do they see the united states as a pushover? do they see the united states as in strategic contraction and not going to matter
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as much i'm interested in and this is your world. how do, how do you think they see? well, i think the last 4 years, and i've talked to many, many ambassadors, foreign ministers, defense ministers, prime ministers. and so this is not just my opinion. this is in talking with a lot of people i think because they see it as they see this in a way that it's confusing to them. certainly since world war 2, this country has engaged the world. we've engaged other countries. we lead in building a new world order after world war 2, the liberal trade order that built institutions of common interest, united nations,, general green on tariffs and trade world bank i.m.f., collective security, nato says so and so on. and so the been confused as to who we really are the last 4
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years because we've pushed back, we've not engage, we've essentially tariffed, unsanctioned our own allies. we've questioned their friendship. we had a president who said, i'm not sure we need nato there. they have lived off of us, we've supported the world, we're not going to do that anymore. that's confused. our allies, s. confused the world, and i think in biden they see a whole different approach because 1st of all they know, but biden was in the senate 36 years foreign relations committee, 36 years 8 years. as vice president, there's hardly any leader in the world today. he does not have a personal relationship with they know, and they trust that. don't always agree with him, but the coin of the round in any business, but especially in foreign policy and politics is trust. you trust that person's
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word, you may disagree with him, but you trust him. i think they trust joe biden. they know that joe biden is an engagement. the person who as president will engage us again will bring america back. i think we've kind of found ourselves the last 4 years on an island. i think we've isolated ourselves and where america is, i slid when america is off balanced. the world becomes more dangerous. i mean, not to every problem in the world is our fault, or we need to deal with, not at all, but we are the one. i know this is a trait expression. started by president reagan, but we are truly the one beacon in the world. there's no other country like ours as many mistakes as we make it in where imperfect and do dumb things sometimes. but the world world trust that and when that's gone, there's no other beacon and people get lost, get confused, and bad things happen when you were secretary of defense and again, you know,
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just reporting on you at that time. there wasn't always a consensus in the obama administration about how to deal with a problematic country, like syria or what to do in response to russia. or, you know, china's growing influence in the sights south china sea and globally. and so i'm wondering what you think is going to be the case around joe biden, when he comes in because there's a wing of foreign policy, you know, in lot of bernie sanders, supporters who, who in their own view sound pretty similar to donald trump, that they don't see that global engagement pays off. is, is joe biden going to be caught in a vise between these same kinds of groups that often created some confusion in president obama's foreign policy? well, i don't know about caught in a vise, steve, but there are differences. as you know, and you noted in a democratic party,
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there are differences in the republican party on foreign policy. joe biden's going to have to navigate this very carefully. but i think based on his experience, based on people who know and both international leaders, both leaders here in this country and in his own party, they know who he is. they know what he represents. they know his history and i think is long as he deals with everybody directly. and honestly, he listens to everybody, listens them, bernie sanders, us and everybody. then, then he's president. he's got to decide he has to make the decisions. he's going to have to do what he thinks is the right thing for this country. and i know i know he'll do that. it's not always, it's not always easy. the world is, is different. certainly then was 12 years ago when joe and barack obama became the president and vice president,
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some problems are still the same and they're worse. i think the middle east is in more chaos. other parts of the world a little better. maybe north korea. china has risen over the last 12 years, so it's going to take, i think, a new evaluation, a new review, i think you'll see. and by an effort to review our, our security interests in the world review our policies in the world. i think that's probably under way now, you know, bringing an experienced people who can bring in the best people. he will feel the team of people who the world can trust. united states can trust and that will be his, his foreign policy, but at least based on what certainly is good for the united states. and good for the world are, those are not mutually exclusive. matter fact, all those institutions we built live lead in doling out to or to work
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mutual consensus, institutions of mutual interests, common interests, institutions. if, if the world was more peaceful, that was good news for everybody. for trade, education, change programs, more freedom, more opportunities, more hope. so this is not a one way street and i think president trump some, i was gotten confused over the years about what foreign policy isn't a gauge mitt. it's not a one way street. it is. it's a 2 way street, it's we can are all as global citizens as all part of a global community benefit from a state prosperous, peaceful world. and i think that that would be joe biden's approach. you know, one of your other close friends has was jim mattis, you know, who is secretary of defense, you know, a successor in your job of course. and so you know, his thoughts and views. well,
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he's put them out there. but another person who just got terminated, that position is mark esper. he was fired by tweet, secretary defense, you know, really remarkable moment. and sectarian asper, you know, went out and said, if donald trump gets a yes man in that position, you know, god help all of us. what do you think our def, con level should be regarding concern, or what mark asked for shared? well, 1st i have great confidence in our national security enterprise, our institutions and our, our leaders, our uniformed military leaders from the chair of the joint chiefs all away down to the joint chiefs of staff, all our leaders. they will follow the law, they will protect the constitution regardless who say the sector defenses, regardless who the president is. and they are school in how to do
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that in this day, jack to in order. what's the process? so i'm not too concerned about any of that. i think 1st comments are comments that should be taken seriously. and that matter of fact, mark s. for work for me in the senate. but i think in any secretary of defense would, would probably approach it the same way. ask for again in ways what he said yesterday in those nos remarks. but i have confidence in our system, our people, the enterprise that will be ok, regardless of who the president is, it might be messy, it could be messy, it could result in a constitutional crisis. but our military leaders are not going to lay the thing happened in this country. you know, one of the other things that occurs to me because cyber erekat,
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whom you knew well has just died from coded. and so it puts, at least for a moment, you know, a spotlight back on the fact that nothing has been achieved in terms of the palestinian statehood issue or, you know, autonomy issue in quite a long time. do you think that is you as one that can just be ignored, forever brushed under the rug? or do you think, fundamentally, for stability in the region, a middle east, that palestine, israel problems got to be solved in a way that we're not it, you know, attending to right now? well, i think we are going to have to pay attention to it. and obviously the last 4 years, we did everything to essentially just show it out of the way and make it more difficult and more complicated. but it, but it's going to have to be dealt with. and if you just look at the middle east today, i think the middle east today is more volatile, more explosive, more out of balance, than we, we've seen, probably since the,
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the 1973 young to poor war. and that's dangerous, because you look at the centrally nonfunctioning governments in the middle east, syria, libya, yemen. iraq still got deep problems. 11 on essentially has no government. that's not going to get better. that's not going to get better and i don't lay it all at the feet of the palestinian israeli issue. but, but that is part of the larger framework of issues. and i think biden is always been a leader in this area. and he's always been smart about it and he's tough. and i, i would suspect he's going to probably dressed this in his 1st 4 years. now it's, i know every president sees it as a no win situation. why would i want to get involved? why would i want to do this?
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why would i want to go there? but i don't think that you can walk away from the united states, has to take some responsibility in helping facilitate the agreement there. and my guess is that biden, what we'll do then i think the priorities in his strategic thinking and his foreign policy as it develops is a i necessarily put the palestinian issue at the top. but i think it's going to be on the agenda right now. we're presuming president trump does finally leave the white house. reluctant as he may be. do you think that your friends in the republican party establishment are going to have an opportunity to do an autopsy of the party, or do you think the party where it is the base is firmly going to carry on with this. trump, this track are there, is there
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a chance for folks like you and your ilk to come back and play a role in rebuilding and resuscitate ing the republican party? well, i know this is difficult for the trump supporters. i mean, after all, mr. trump received over 71000000 voters support so i know it's tough to lose and these, these people strongly support him. so right now it's still inflammatory still. 'd charges of fraud didn't all the rest that we see every day playing out in lawsuits that well that will ease our stabilize once we get certification of a new president. and the confirmation of that, when the electors meet either in december 14th and then then we can move on. but, but to your point, i think the republican party is going to have to take,
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a look at itself. what happened here, especially b., you got the republicans actually picking out seats in the house. it appears they got a good shot at continuing to control the senate pending on the new georgia cities. but yet they lost an incumbent president by over 4000000 votes. so what happened, i mean we're on the wrong track. there's another factor here that the republicans are going to look at. and that's demography. look at texas, look what happened in georgia, arizona, nevada. those demographic shifts are not in favor of republicans. they're moving toward the democrats and i remember when i was the lead sponsor of president george w. bush's immigration reform bill in the senate. and in fact, i took president bush out omar and we kicked off his immigration reform initiative
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in south on i remember, i think it was 2004 in our tuesday republican caucus luncheon. there was a big debate about it. course it was a big debate about it. i remember kay, bailey hutchison, senator kay, bailey hutchison from texas got up and she said if the republican party does not get right on immigration reform, we will be a minority party in texas in the not too distant future. well, her word right through her words rain true. so republican party's got some real soul searching to do and i think they'll have to go through that. i hope they'll go through that. i hope they're right. they'll bring in some other voices to take to take a look, but that's the only way you can understand what went wrong and what you have to do to get it right. and what's where, where's the future going? right. what a final question secretary hagel,
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i know that you have probably already written a letter to president elect biden. i know that preselect biden will if he hasn't already reach out to you by phone and talk to you, i just, i just know that to be true. what is that pop piece of advice you would offer a president like joe biden, coming into this role at this time in history. what's the most important thing? what's the north star? he has to have? well, i would start with the north star, which in all my time around joe biden, and i know anyone who worked with him in different capacities for 25 years. i've been all over the world, wouldn't been situations where leaders with him. he's always, he's always stayed true to his north star. that's where i would start. the other advice i would give him is and he knows this too, but we all need to be reminded. sometimes it's and listen,
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be inclusive. and in reach out. i think those are very important qualities in a president, and he's already said i intend to be a president for all americans. republicans, democrats, and i believe he will do that, and he needs to stay true to that. and the humanity that joe biden represents the dignity the decency don't, don't ever allow that to go away. you are anchored by that decency and that dignity . and we need a new and clear infusion of dignity and decency in the white house. and i think that may may be his biggest challenge in the end, the biggest accomplishment that he can make in 4 years. and if he can do that, he will have gone a long way in putting this country back on track and having confidence in each other and our institutions because
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a country cannot survive. if we lose confidence in our institutions, the very government institutions in our society that holds together, if that isn't there, we're doomed. if he can do that, then i think along with other things that he'll do, you know, had a very, very productive, successful, 4 years. and that be my bush. well secretary, chuck hagel, thank you so much for spending time of this today and sharing these thoughts. thank you. actually. so what is the bottom line? the genius of donald trump was the marquee leitz turn his back on the rest of the world, shout about how he was fighting for the hard working men and women of america, and pander to the fears of the white majority as u.s. demographics keep shifting. this makes for a formula that almost won this election, and there's nothing indicate now that republicans are suddenly going to dump trump . in fact, the opposite seems true, as many senators and house members are trying to prove their loyalty to him out there by supporting the possibility that fraud gave the win to joe biden and stole
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it from trump. even a president joe biden will have to make compromises with trump ism, as part of his daily diet when he moves to the white house next january. and that the bottom line from the favelas of caracas. so the battlefields around also, i want job is to get to the truth and then power people through knowledge. the us is deeply divided, the millions of americans feel disaffected,
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and ignored by both political party. and the political class is point scoring. the game is a dangerous game, but it's a game of the sick list for klein's examines the political currents ripping through american society in a description for a novel, the publisher would send it back and say it's too unbelievable. trump versus biden, the race to the white house on a just, you know, in the 2nd bars of identity and exile. now if you cancel, travels to the middle east to retrace his own stamps, palestinian refugees rise baha of the world's palestinian population and see the conflicts through the eyes of those who live it. it breaks my heart to see this man who's been like a father to yearn for a place that he may never see. i don't mean that israel for me to go followed about my gun to 0 correspondent be the hero,
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