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similarities of cultures across the world. so no matter what, i'll just bring you the news and current affairs that matter to you. i'll dizzy around a state of emergency is due to ends in central african republic, but on groups of stepping off their attacks force and sizes of people to escape. why is the army cincinnati backers struggling to contain the file? and this is insight story ah over there and welcome to the program. i'm how am i getting a state of emergency in central african republic appears to have done little to
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stop on grips. president forster are comes to idea and post it in january when rebels, angry at his re election, attacked towns and villages the measure issue to expire this months. but the united nations says the fighting has intensified, doesn't have been killed and attacks on villages in the past. 6 months, the army has the support of $12000.00 un peacekeepers, rolanda, and special forces, and russian paramilitaries. they've managed to be captured territory from the rebels, but the fighting force one or 200000 refugees, to escape mostly to democratic republic of congo. on thursday, the un security council extended an arms embargo for another here. so you player, sit back, go, let us be clear, she. this is an embargo which aims to prevent arms, groups from acquiring and also using it against civilians. central african armed
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forces or un peacekeepers, or at the same time, the possibilities of exemptions are extended so that the authorities of the central african republic can continue to train and equip their army. i stress that the embargo does not course prevents the central african republic, acquiring the means to defend itself. the more you will, central african republic has been martin violence during the past decades. the removal of precedent for it was easy and 2013 led to years of fighting between christian and muslim armed groups that were hopes for peace when forced our cons to a day won the election in 2016, but he has struggled to contain the funny thing the government and 14 the rebel groups signs in agreements in 2019 but it didn't make much difference. force in officials to declare a state over emergency in january will be un warned, the security situation is deteriorating and says nearly 2000000 people may die
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without assistance. the as well as spring in our guests, missouri of delay joins us on the line from a go to a bully and camera room that's on the border with central african republic. he's a journalist and political analyst there in the canadian township for all the archipelago, ontario, louis much central africa director of human rights watch. and joining us in brussels is peter cooper, a fellow at the institute for justice and reconciliation. a warm welcome to all of you, but i will start with mussa of july. if i can, you work in the central african republic. you live that just give us a sense of what it's like right now. you have this state of emergency just due to be lifted, but the situation doesn't seem to be improving for people in the country. what does
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this all mean? hello. thank you very much for having the program. i think i'm supposed to end a day, but men from the government didn't know yet. i tried to find a template or not i think in terms of security to have an impact on having more concurrent caught the government to control the movement because they used to move. i did a nighttime during the day, so it had the government to actually persecution, different houses and make some many people are calling because you have so many many, many,
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many people in the country you by me or the lesson. we have this report by different buddy like. ready ready you and see and different organizations reported that there there is so many violation. busy of human rights and you feel you can get better, but i quite imagined do you think the state of emergency has helped at all or is it just another stop got measure that's merely prolonging the difficulties that the central african republic is going through. it has helped, like i said, it's somehow when the government to, you know, and if the movement of data in the nighttime, in different locations, especially in the capital city. because in different city that i travel actually
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see. and then it's not even active. it doesn't work like people don't even care about the baby today, activity in the nighttime, but in the really have the government to control the movement of the capital. but i don't believe that he's had help in any way or the. ready location concurrently, it has a terrible negative impact the population. so many people are crying about what, what's going on. so many people are because, you know, i stay the same date is majestic for many be get paid on so many people and we don't know what to do to go and get can get out of any justification happened. a lot of people are happening in the population. ok,
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let me turn to you louis much from human rights watch. we're hearing distress and testimony from from moose, the lawyer who is travelling around c r. and he's saying that the state of emergency is allowing some control to, to come back to the government in some small measure, but it's also having honorable impacts on large chunks of the population. what you recess minutes of the state of emergency. i mean, is it sustainable? i think, i think we would broadly agree with with most the fact is, is that any, any improvements under the state of merge seeing the last 6 months have been in your words, stop gaps. what we're much more concerned with is what most of the alluding to is the right and right to pieces attached to the state of emergency. most notably, that is the door to door searches in bungie. and what we are documenting as
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a very worrying trend towards targeting ethnic buyer, north of the capital of bungie and the cooperation of russian paramilitaries in these operations. what's worrying for us at human rights watch is that these type of operations concert was a pretext to further fuel recruitment for rebel groups all across the country. when, when they know that the government is going to be engaging these types of human rights abuses, it really does just serve as a recruiting tool. and it's, it's terribly worrying for us. and frankly it's, we'll step back. these alleged human rights abuses which have been documented by the un, a real step back to the government. and they should really change course and focus on a, a security program in a security strategy that does put human respect for basic human rights up front. why do you think this is, this isn't the case, then why do you think the government's lewis much is taking this approach?
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they are frankly, in december. i think all of us were shocked at how much territory the, the latest iteration of a rebellion coalition called the c p. c. we were shocked to how much territory they took and how quickly they took it. and the government, and this was happening under the auspices of a very large human, very large un peacekeeping operation. and in under the auspices of international support from both rwandans and the russians. so they felt drastic measures needed to be taken. those drastic measures had to cut the movement of the c p. c to some degree that worked on, but they will also trying to do with they're also trying to find c p. c. fighters who had notably infiltrated bonds to capital and they were going to arrest those fighters under the state of emergency. the military was unable to make arrests
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without having to go from a prosecutor without having going. ringback from the judge, due process was kind of thrown out the window for emergency measures. and what we're documenting. and this has been substantiated by the un, which is already published on this, is that many of these individuals are actually taken off and executed. and that is only going to further drive recruitment of people who feel disenfranchised people who are associated with farmers to make a groups. but also an ethnic bio who are from busy days, ethnic group who feel targeted. who feel like they've been lumped in with the c p. c. ok. peter can know, is this an assessment that you would agree with that the state of emergency that's being brought said and it could be helping to fuel recruitment drives for the the rebel groups that the government is trying to get a handle on. yes. human rights violation is, you know, often has that impact and security zation has the effect. so you know,
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why assessment is that that could have that the thing. but i think it's important to also look at the bigger picture. what happened the bunky form 2015 and then the b. c. agreement of 2019 stipulated that there would be elections and the elections. elections generally invite tensions because people take a hope high profile. people want to compare one another, so they need to take a whole higher profile to to, to guarantee visibility. that's exactly what happened. and then boise, they came back to the country and managed to get some of these groups. we cut them out of the piece of maintenance and, and managed to raise rebellion on the history to ship to oppose the situation that, that was part of the agreement. so 456 of the groups that
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stood out of the, of the, of the peace agreement distance themselves as started to fight a, a government that was in place. this will happen, this is what it has happened in december that led to the state of emergency. and then the russians, and the london se, came to the help of the government, and started to fight the rebuilding dest. you know, this, the big picture. now the, the, the russian, that the surgery of the russians is to get the rebels out of the city. cities in it says reboot. and so they chasing the rebels from the cities outside into, into the rural areas, into the villages. and the villages are suffering, the villages suffer the impact of the rebels coming into the villages and,
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and taking whatever they want the they want to take. so the, so the situation is, is improving in some of the cities. but if the every rating in the rural areas, with a huge human there and the impact that's, that's what is happening today in this. it is a, it's, it's part of what the election dynamics did to the piece of equipment. ok, well you mentioned the, the russians, that one's and we do understand there are 4 actors who are in the country and who are taking part in this, in this conflict. but let's get them to the, the brass tax really for people who are not as familiar with the central african republic. as you 3 gentlemen, are you mention their pizza cooper? that's rebel groups were being siphoned away from this peace agreements in order to be sent to riley roads that the former leads or bows. these
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a why would they do that? why would they do that? why are they that rally beside both these and not going with the, the leads or who the country had elected initially? because the new very well that nobody was going to vote for them. they were, they were part of a peace agreement that was in that, that was as old as, as there was a year old. but in the election, they won't stand a chance. they said they would never go back to the political spectrum after the elections so, so it was either losing the elections or losing their position to the or posing the government that was in place. in both of these, it managed to mobilize the fees of not coming back to the political spectrum in some of these, some of the, of the rebel. actually this far less, you know, this is a video that is, is very unstable in its initial faces. and there's always sport nbc agreement, so these are the sport embodies and managed to,
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to mobilize the sport. so i can see what happens. so if you take a simplistic view, if they say, well, how do you fix this problem? is the fixing the problem, getting rid of the trouble? so max are here, which we're in pyar with people's easy or does it go cheaper than that? i can see you louis much shaking your head slightly. i understand is more complex than that, but just to boil it 10 years is noticed. familiar with this dynamic? what would you say to that? sure. i mean, i think, i think yes goes he's a is a spoiler? absolutely great to boil it down to, to it, to a simple dynamic. it would be this to date 8 years in to really horrific violence in a country that is not foreign to violence. the number one driver, in our opinion of this violence is impunity. no one to date has actually been held accountable. ringback none of the big fish had been held accountable for the war crimes and the crimes against humanity that they committed. whether that be false,
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i believe he's a who, who absolutely has committee president and now he's gone on to play the spoiler role. i'm completely breaking up the cartoon piece agreement, whether that be the myriad of other rebel leaders across the country. we do have 3 individuals currently in the hague, in front of the i, c, c. and there's a special hybrid court called the special criminal court, which has gotten up and running with international national judges and prosecutors . but i reiterate to date, central africans are exhausted. there's this humanitarian aspect that peter alluded to, which is absolutely in our opinion, should be put at the 4. but people are started in seeing these warlords continue to just get away with murder and no one is held accountable and they want justice. they've asked for justice that the central african people do want there to be re of accountability. ok with the delay a. is that something that the tally says what you're hearing when you're reporting
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in the country? people are exhausted and where did they see this? the solution to this, the end game to this, does it come back to this piece agreements or do they want to see some actual accountability for the the crimes that are be waged against them? yes. so i think that the situation is really complex, and most of the population of central africa to be very, very computer. he was what can be the solution? because he'd have like high in many agreement between pick up menu how i mean, there's so many different, agree on a piece, a quote i had between the government work. it never worked out what could make it today work in one hand. because in one hand, people are thinking how can we fight it up to 14 different why in our me
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under i'm go and you and please keep her out of bed for about 7 or 8 years now and then it had never came to anything. so people have a computer actually, but we believe that there is no any solution because we don't have to watch on the media petty who do not enable so far to control what they like, what mine and they are the get to get up and i'll go over there in the area and not even yet how come when i get across the board call inside like a kind of public. and they can use all the kids. if you can call me that
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a that up to date now and hope to hear the phone is really confusing. it's incredibly confusing. and i think to the confusion our of course, these external parties were coming in. we understand the russian contractors, the russian government says they are contract, you're in to provide training. rwanda has sense in the armed forces also francis a relationship in the area. chives, as sending troops. do you think these external forces are helping or hindering the situation on the grounds? so i'm actually hoping at some point, but like i like to kick him out better but out of the city. but we see in what i'm what i'm, what i'm saying now is that when we don't like when they kick out there,
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but out of 150, the next day they leave and me out with one without a gun like a 10 fuck up. really tell you nothing. now let me call fucker bailey just like a 10 individual and you know, secured in that city. but the next day they will come out and take the people when they are actually left for example. and the wonder they can, they can take control of one city and the next day. they're up and coming back from there. not to go today. we can never, you know, depend for example, on the one done or watson because how long they are going to stay there 10 years, 20 or 50 years. i don't know. why do you need is that we need to have a peace agreement. and then we have nothing wrong and then we can then keep the security to them when you guys left like the watson or did. ready
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one done when they left today, they can take control on the territory and if they leave tomato who are going to get the security. ok? my. yes, it's a, it's a very complex situation. it seems like almost a game wakeham or when you manage to solve one issue, it pops up somewhere else. pizza can open. so you know, thing and agreements with what delight was was saying to us and moving forward. what are the strategies then to deal with this ticket rebel site and giving the pop up somewhere else? you could do this for infinity. i was, i was in body yesterday. i was, i came back from bug yesterday just roughly 2 opinions in bunky and they're there. they're mutually exclusive. some people claim that re negotiating the piece agreement, the agreement, the $2900.00 piece agreement is the way forward. so bring these people back to the negotiation to discuss exactly what most i would say. but there isn't other portion
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of, of the political cause there that there's no that they've, they've lost their position that they've lost their, their right to, to the table to the political dynamics. so, so we're going to change in the guild them and find them and, and hunt them out just h. so there's 2, there's 2 different positions, dialogue or not dialogue. and, and, you know, my personal opinion is that, i think the only way out just as most i says is, is go back to the mechanization table and try to re negotiate the peace agreement and revise stuff. and then all the elements, this r d d are demobilization disarmament. and both my colleague from canada says, this is a need for justice. there's a need for peace and we call the asian in the most classical sense. we need to
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transform the conflict into a b. so situation and justice is what people want and justice is what the people need. and the reconciliation mechanism is the way forward. ok, we have one minute left. people are at the hearts of this. are you optimistic that there will be an end to this for the people of the c r lewis much? i'm afraid i'm not as optimistic as i was in 2016. i'm afraid that looking at the numbers, looking at hunger levels right now, the food insecurity and the displacement. i'm terribly afraid that this country which has already been through so much, has many more years of difficulty on the horizon. that's just my real perspective having been working in a nurse. ok, thank you very much indeed. and the final words, it's a you move a delay a how do you see this play guides? are you hopeful for the future of the c r m?
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i uses to see that the dialogue really accelerated to include everybody including grooves in the political side. and also they just as a special quote that was created recently to be in there very quickly so that you can, you know, with it but, or the way we did the fight and we didn't expect to have a p p. yes. ok, i'm afraid we are out of time, but i do appreciate all 3 of you for joining us on the show today. thank you very much. to move up july lewis much answered peter cooper and thank you to for watching. remember, you can catch the show again and all of our previous programs anytime by visiting the website that i'll just 0 dot com for further discussion, you can head to our facebook page, us facebook dot com,
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