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defendant would actually be variance with this despite a high vaccination rate, carrier loss, positivity rate is above 15 percent prompting the central government to give more than $30000000.00 to strengthen its health services. pardon him at the al jazeera new delhi. ah, this is all of these all the headlines. the taliban has held its 1st press conference since taking power. it's promising. i'm the see to government officials, women's rights and media freedom. so the move on to hum, pulled up a city we have pardoned anyone, all those who had fought against us. we don't want to repeat of war. we want to do away with the factors of conflict. so these nomic, emerett of afghanistan does not have any conflict with anybody. we want the fighting to end money amount of money hit the islamic emerald of afghanistan is
committed to the rights of women within the framework of shari'a are even have the same rights. they can work in different sectors on the basis of our rules and regulations, in education and health and other areas where they are going to be work and shoulder to shoulder with us. what we want to assure the international community. there will be no discrimination against women, but of course within our religious framework, the new use foreign policy chief as warning of an impending refugee crisis, former galveston, joseph burrell, says the book has to work together to avoid the number over rifles last seen in 2015 the issue of refugee resettlement won't be in a divisive issue between european leaders. greece said it can off again become the entry point for millions of refugees. coughing the mediterranean turkey and focused on of agreed to work together to help bring stability to afghanistan. turkey has already built a wall in the border with iran to prevent an influx of migrants. the turkish
government says it welcomes the pulses of messages given by the taliban survivors of a powerful earthquake and have a fear now having to cope with a tropical storm. heavy rain lashed, makes a shelters in the southern city, over case one of the worst hit areas. 1400 people are known to have died in subsidies. earthquake, you feelings is moving into a snap, locked in for 3 days. after reporting its 1st local coven 19 infection, in nearly 6 months, the case was detected in oakland. authorities are working to trace its origins. hundreds of firefighters trying to extinguish wildfires, devastated parts of the french riviera. thousands of people had to flee their homes . the flames broke out on monday, the coastal city of 2 long, and that's you up to date. keep it here on al jazeera inside story is up next. ah,
ah ah ah, so right decision for our people, the right one for our brave service members risk their lives, serving our nation as the right one for america. joe biden has defended his decision to withdraw from afghanistan. millions of afghans now face an uncertain future. will the us president pay a political price to pulling his food out? and how will it affect relations with europe? this is inside school. ah .
hello, welcome to the program i'm hasn't seen it is being called the worst the buckle in nato's history. the fall of afghanistan to the taliban, turning out to be the biggest crisis of jo biden's presidency so far, he's facing criticism from us politicians and afghan veterans, they say the ultimate beneficiary of the billions of dollars spent on afghan forces is the taller bond, the u. s president is adamant he made the right decision and blamed the afghan government and military for not being willing to fight for themselves. we have a lot to discuss with our guest, surely before us this report from she advocacy in washington. joe biden attempted to keep public opinion focused on a promise kept up to 20 years. the u. s. was finally leaving f honest on i stand squarely behind my decision. after 20 years, i've learned the hard way that there was never a good time withdraw us forces. but neither the president or any
administration official has been able to address the chaotic matter of that withdrawal. despite biden's proclamation that the buck stopped with him, he lashed out both of the africa military and the african political leadership that fled even saying the u. s. i wanted to evacuate more people earlier, but was stopped by couple. i know there are concerns about why we did not begin evacuating atkins civilians sooner. part of the answer is some of the afghans did not want to leave earlier. still hopeful for their country. important because the afghan government and his supporters discouraged us some organizing a mass exodus to avoid triggering, as they said, a crisis of confidence at the pentagon officials insisted that they had role played every eventuality. they wouldn't be drawn whether that included such a swift taliban takeover or whether such a possibility had been communicated to the president. plans are not always
perfectly predictive and you as is well known military maximum, that plans don't often survive 1st contact and you have to adjust in real time depending and says it expects the 2500 us troops and cobbled at the airport to be supplemented within 24 hours left to a 1000 more and says, an apple operations have resumed. in addition, the u. s. has more than $700.00 africans who were eligible for special immigration . visa had left the country over 48 hours, bringing the total to almost 2000. the president's opponents have been swift to deliver a withering commentary. honestly, ministration looks to me like i couldn't organize a 2 car funeral and maybe it's not too late. i hope not for the present to put in enough troops and around cobble do at least get out all the americans. and as many of the afghans as possible who are our friends, who are interpreters, who were lot on home. we were a lot all of age years. it is
a sad day, but the united states of america. however, when pressed mcconnell, as with many others in washington, suggested his favorite option was a permanent military presence in afghanistan, which would be against the wishes of a majority of americans, but by ministration appears to be hoping that eventually the chaos of the last few days will be forgotten, and instead the president will be seen of the commander in chief who finally brought america's longest war to an ends. jabber times the al jazeera washington. the german chancellor has criticized the way the u. s. to withdraw was handled. germany had the 2nd largest military presence in afghanistan after the united states in figuring enough on a sunday stop on a 2 week off baton deutschland, the development and i've given us down is bitter for germany and the other allied nations under the leadership of the usa and nato fought after the terror attacks of september 11 for 20 years against terrorism, and for freedom on the bidding and cobbling. since i will explain, she really,
we have to realize that an independent role of germany or other european forces during the nato mission in afghanistan was not possible. we have always said that we were fundamentally depending on the decisions of the american government. well, africans who worked for the us and nato forces are worried for the safety of their family members. a former interpreter who now lives in france, says only a miracle can save his relatives in afghanistan. i'm in real trouble just because of my workplace, the u. k. government, they're not punish my family, do not leave them behind. because that's going to cause a lot of life. if anything happened to my family, you know, how come i live that life after? you know, it's really hard. it's really hard. i'm struggling. i'm still struggling. you know,
i'm kind of losing hope i haven't seen my family. so if you go to 2014, can you imagine that this is just the only beginning that palo one is doing right now? is just a new show and sorry, like i have paid, it should come on. that's only the show in the future, the world will know what will happen and there won't be a media the show to the world. so if they take my 2 brothers with them foot and i have all mother and if y somehow they come in and buy falsely, mary, my sister who is one of them. so how come you imagine this things? as out of this further? there's 2 way, either you go fight against them or either your friends,
your life. ah, was talk more about this now with our panel in washington d. c. a. jenna bent. you who the president and ceo of the truman and national security project in bethesda, maryland, david, the russia professor at the national defense university and a former nato operations director in the office of the us secretary of defense. and in denver, colorado, jack kingston, a former republican congressman from georgia. warm. welcome to all of you, janet, ben, you, who did, let me start with you even if you broadly support the decision by president biden, to withdraw us forces, or us forces from afghanistan. i think there's that pretty universal dismay and criticism of the way that withdrawal was handled and what were the images that we saw over the last couple of days if you have them and good morning.
yes, you're right. i think there myself included a number of us across the national security community, including a wide range of veterans did support the president's decision to leave afghanistan after 20 years of loss and pain and combat and trillions of dollars spent. that this is not a withdrawal. it appears almost like an abandonment and the chaos that we're seeing now at the airport as americans, as afghan women and human rights, defenders and interpreters to supported our military forces, scramble to leave the country. all of that was avoidable. and there had been efforts underway for months to address this directly with the white house, and this could have been prevented. and now the key will really be to keep the airport safe and open and those flights running and tell everybody who needs to get out. can david the rush? does this feel like an abandonment to you?
oh yeah, yeah. i mean, look there's, there's no doubt it is there were going to be more people, regardless of how much capacity we have, regardless of how much effort is put into their f. ganna stand is going to be a very, very dark and brutal place for a long time. and the demand to leave afghanistan is going to exceed the lift to get people out. and it's going to exceed the ability of countries to accept and resettle these folks. some countries have given up trying. president mac ron said look, nobody forced these people to work for us. they made a choice and they have to live with it. that's a pretty callous approach. but you know, the bad news is already starting, and sadly, i fear it's only going to get worse. jack kingston, what, what's your view on this? and i want to ask you as well, whether you supported the decision, the initial decision that was made to withdraw us troops from afghanistan,
a decision that was a deal that was struck by biden's, previous essay that the trump administration. you know, i would say i have been supportive of an orderly and stable withdraw with some us presence there. that has to be inevitable. you know, when we were leaving world war 2, people probably would have said you can have trip to germany 50 years later, yet we still do the same thing in south korea. so have an american troop presence in areas where there has been conflict is not unusual, but what we're seeing now, not only that immediate humanitarian crisis, people clinging to a c 17 and trying to get out of there. but what we won't see, just as the guest said, whose family was over there, that danny, that you're going to, you're not going to see the taliban in the next $60.00 to $90.00 days and next year, slaughter and people going door to door looking for people who were sent the sizes
with the americans and fought against them. that's going to be horrible. but the other thing, and i pick this up time and time again when i was in afghanistan and spoke to the leadership and soldiers that they wanted to know, are you here to stay? we have a fear that you are going to leave us high and dry, abandoned us just as what's happening right now. and then the next time there's a conflict, how will you win the hearts and minds of the local people after they see what we were doing right here, may very difficult not to mention the other western countries who were allies in the coalition. and perhaps the guess, remember, i think the number was 48 countries who were involved in the coalition at some capacity. and how do we get them to rally around the next cause it's going to be very, very difficult. do you do share the fear that some have expressed that afghanistan? now risks becoming a breeding ground for groups like like all kinder and i school and so on.
absolutely. you know, prior to 911, we were still given something like 75000000 for a to ask in country and one form or the other. so, you know, and we were engaged pre 911. they did not have any, i'd say focus or bitterness towards us until like al qaeda came in there and i think now they are going to have more of a focus. there is going to be revenge. we've left a tremendous amount of military equipment there and a lot of trained soldiers who will slip sides and so decided it's not gonna be a bit of terrorism. went to terror on china, russia, other foreign actors, bad actors are going to see this as a potential training camp, recruitment area breathing, graham, whatever you want to call it. so yes, they're going to totally reject american and western values on terrorism. david,
the rush, president biden did acknowledge that he was surprised by the speed of this collapse of the, of the afghan government and set did acknowledge that it was messy. why, why was, why was his administration course so flatfoot, do you think? well, i think everybody got it wrong. i didn't take that. they do, paul. so fast either, but you know, i, i think the problem is we, we had a phrase of the pedagogue drinking your own bath water. people were there's a self reinforcing cycle of expectations. there's a focus on the inputs rather than objectively measuring outputs. i think everybody was aware that corruption was a chronic condition. we are aware that a lot of the warlords, who we never really dealt with were you know, capable of treachery. which is, i think, really what was behind the rapid fall of the northern part of afghanistan to the taliban. it was really allegiances what was really remarkable to us. that was the
depth of the treachery. i mean there was really only one military battle, perhaps to kandahar in conduct. the rest of these cities were surrendered without a fights. it's important to note though that the pen series, you know, they're still there and they're used to operating from their remote valley and expanding outward as they did against the soviets and as they did against the taliban. so it's not a complete failure. but boy, a boy, this is, this is a big issue and the bite and team and, you know, got it really wrong and i think any other president probably would have gotten it wrong to jenna ben, you heard of what lessons do you think the u. s. can, can learn from this because there were those who will argue that this, this back was last many years ago in terms of the way to the united states approaches approach the whole thing with their presence in afghanistan. what do you say to that? i think that's right and i think gave it's exactly spot on and there are this
failure has a 1000 fathers and has been 20 years in to making and it's clear that an ongoing sustain presence would do little to continue to shape the outcomes. i think we all desire here, which is a peaceful country for people and reduced threat to the united states. but that's not what we have at hand right now. and as david notes, we really need to think about what this means for us power for our partners and allies. what i'm concerned with principally has been is what kind of message we're sending to our partners and allies when, if, after 20 years of war and fighting alongside folks in afghanistan were not there to extend our moral obligation to save them. president ford to death under vietnam, it was hugely unpopular at the time. 130000 vietnamese brought us the 2000
afghans who supported us troops who have arrived in this country 2000. and so if, as senator mcconnell suggest, he is concerned with the fate of our partners and allies, the next step will be for the u. s. congress to increase refugee emissions levels. and to bring as many people here to safety as possible. that depends, that, you know, certainly affects the lives of afghans. but it also sends you a really strong and important signal to would be american partners all around the year. a world for us to come. it is important to our credibility to be able to say that will stand by those who stood with us. well, let them put some of that back then to david russia, someone who, who's worked within the nato leadership. how does what we've seen in cobble over the last couple of days affect us relations with, with the european partners and nato partners, and basically us credibility. yeah, i'm sorry,
i have to go back in and readdress my remarks from these characters. i didn't say that the whole mission was due to failure. what i said was, once the us decided withdraw, i don't think anybody predicted that the african government would fall so quickly. i think that it was a chronic condition that could have been managed at an acceptable rate for a long period of time. so it does affect us credibility. i mean, president bide here. acted really the way that the critics accused president trump of acting. he made a unilateral decision, he did not consult with nato allies. he said, i'm going to do this, and i'm sorry, i'm going to have to disagree it on the vietnam analogy as well. president ford did not unilaterally decide to withdraw us troops from afghanistan. us troops withdrew 2 years before this, the fall of saigon. what happened was, the u. s. was committed providing logistic, a congress passed a law that said that won't happen. i refer you to the louis sorely book, a better war for the details on that. so what you had here was
a different situation entirely. how to unilateral decision by the president, which i think history will show in the fullness of time, did not consult with. and he, cutty, in the career oxy and the kindergarten the state farm. it's because he was worried that he would get rolled as happened in 2000 and made a unilateral decisions without consulting with allies, that created a condition that just snowball beyond any recognition. but that being said, nobody expected it to happen this quickly. and i don't really fault him for being surprised by the rapid fall of the comp government once that, that was with. i know jenna wants to respond to that and then we'll move on to her . if, if i'm in a certainly the conditions in vietnam at the time were different than afghanistan, no other circumstance could possibly be the same as what were confronting. now my point, david and to our viewers, is that there is a strong historic precedent for large scale evacuation, a partner, an allies. that's the precedent and it's not what we're seeing here. and further,
it's factually, an accurate that state and duty we're not consulted throughout this process that we're consulted routinely. ultimately, it was the president's decision and he's been very clear that the buck stops with him and he's owning it for good or for ill. but there was a wide range of consultation throughout the process. and i think history will show that, but you know, it's not a result of the nato secretary general was surprised. jack kingston, what was your view on? if we go back to way before vide and trumping back to the, to the bush administration in 2001 after the tyler bond fell in 20 years ago. there were those who say that the, the campaign there was where it was last a long time. ago, going back as far as that because of the, the approach that the united states took to, to,
to all of this. what do you say to that? i think once we were there with the idea, we need to fight the war against terrorism on their territory. not in the united states, which is one of the themes that george bush said over and over again. we needed to convince people that that effort is succeeding. if you look at truth loss, for example, 2019 was the 3rd highest year since 2013, 2013. you got about 100 troops, 201554 then 201922. and the reason why i'm bringing that up is to say that you have reasonable stability. you did not have, you know, huge battles, he's warfare and slaughter. now with the grind and i'm not saying that was good because of that, i'm saying that the american president of the american congress did not sell people on, you know, we're, we have sacrifices going on on
a regular basis over there. we are spending millions upon millions of dollars, but on the other hand, we are keeping it from becoming a hot bed of terrorism. and i think that the prediction is that's what's going to happen to it right now. so i think that we elected leadership fail by not talking about this each and every speech as to why troops are on the ground. they're what we're doing, what we're trying to accomplish. and so i do think jenna's, right there's, there's a lot of people who can claim the failure on this, but at the same pan american people, you know, they want to go in and knock somebody off, come back home to live happily ever after the world. unfortunately doesn't operate that way you have to remain engaged. whether it's a pretty pitcher acquaint that you are not. david rush can, can the us remain a way you could respond to that general mom. and i just want to put this to david can, can, can the us remain engaged in this while not being, physically present?
can they, can they make sure that the taliban as they govern afghanistan, do not allow the country to, to, to be overrun with these groups. like al qaeda and i so and so on. i don't think so . i mean, president biden said he was the 4th president, preside over war and f guest and want to be the last, but actually he's the 5th president clinton fired cruise missiles that ok to targets in afghanistan, trying to track down ok. that was characterized by president bush as you know, shooting cruise missiles at tense, which is not too far off. what actually happened. it is possible, but it is extremely more difficult. we won't have local intelligence networks. we don't have local basis or weaponry as degraded and the operations extremely expensive. so i, i agree with rapid sen, kingston. it is more likely that groups that want to do harm to united states find a safe haven in afghanistan. and it is likely that we are able to identify per,
you know, target and then meaningfully obliterate these groups. and i don't think the taliban is going to do it for us. go ahead. jenna. and government spaces, places without the rule of law, the world over are constantly vulnerable to becoming hot beds for extremism. we know this, but what's also clear is that ongoing problems in afghan again, wasn't going to change the nature of the situation on the ground. yes, the withdrawal looks more like an abandonment and it's been needlessly mfc and i believe should have been done different. we are where we are. but the notion that an ongoing commitment to continue to poor hundreds of billions of dollars into a country that we saw. so quickly fell and failed to make furious advances, if misbegotten and hubris and it have distracted the united states and stretched our military, the largest in the world by a factor. you know,
all of these next major military is combined are still smaller than the u. s. defense, and yet it has really strapped our forces and distracted the united states from addressing other issues like russia, like china, like issues all around the world like climate and pandemic response. it's time to divert resources into the manifold areas where u. s. interests are all right, but for right now, we must confront the military and crisis at hand where we're going, we're going to have to leave it that we could certainly spend a lot longer talking about this, but phenomena, jenna benya, who david rush and jack kinston, thanks so much for being with us and thank you as always for watching when you can see this program again, any time by visiting our website edge 0 dot com. and for the discussion, you can go to our facebook page. that's facebook dot com, forward slash a j inside story. you can also join the conversation on twitter handle where is at
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