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government issues, visas to allow more butch's into the country. this is an interconnected crisis where the worst effects of brake system cove it have collided. spreading chaos in everything from food to fuel. ne fokker, al jazeera london. ah . again, this is al jazeera, the headlines, the south georgia as prime minister says that an operation to detain former president because successfully has been successfully carried out. he was arrested after returning from exile to support the opposition. in saturday's election. robin for astir walker reports from tbilisi prime minister. iraqi got about video came on air and told sa georgians that, that the president of georgia because such really had been detained. we're hearing some details about this or may or may not turn out to be to be true. we're still
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it was a tough partnership from the start, but now cracks is showing between civilian and military players in sedans, transitional government. is it on the brink? glad does this leave the drive towards democracy. this is inside story. ah. alone welcome to the show. i'm sammy's. a than a split is widening between sedans, military and civilian leaders, and attempted to last month as worse and tensions between the 2 sides. the crew was
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blamed on sol, just loyal to former president omar bashir, pro democracy rallies have been held in the capital cartoon by supporters of the civilian leadership. sedans, military accuses politicians of failing to govern effectively protest as have gathered in khartoum. they say the army is trying to seize power ham, another reports from the capital, a familiar slogans from the protests of 20182019. once again echo across done in the capitol cartoon. hundreds took to the streets to express their anger at what they say is an attempt by the ministry to disrupt the countries transition to democracy. and we were expecting a speedy transition to civilian rural. we don't actually feel there is a transition to anything here yet. today is no freedom, peace or justice in sudan. tensions between dunst, military and civilian politicians stretched
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a low point this week after the recent attempted coup. when it took part 2 years ago, the transitional government promised to fix decades of mismanagement, internal conflict and international functions. under the former president omar bashir, but it's yet to demonstrate to the people of said, done that it can undo damage done by bustios re jim kicks, thought the country struggling economy, and move the country towards genuine democratic governments. a lot of them in the clinic, what we need is to revamp and strength and government institutions, especially our weak institutions of justice. only then would we stop worrying about who rules to dana against all odds on most products. so sedans, young people have, in the past, build a peaceful, undisciplined movement, not saw the toppling of one of the world's most autocratic riggins. that of former president obama has an old machine. on the transition in that country remains certain white in fighting and hopefully within the something council that once again finding themselves trying to hide to get their voice as high
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i. these protestants are also angry. the plumley syllables who died during protest 2 years ago. i yet to get justice public this content, thus also been mounting over economic reforms that severely reduced subsidies on petrol and diesel. more than doubling the price, the sudanese pound bronson, several official and black markets rates and its depreciating, causing a loss of cash from the formal economy. these activists say nothing will stop them achieving a better way of life, and they will bring hope to a mission that's known little for decades. madame de la zita, how tom said, done. mar, 3 years ago, an uprising in sudan led to a revolution that forced its government out of office. protests began in december 2018 over the rising cost of living. but they evolved into a wider movement calling for an end to our model. but she is 30 year rule in april
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2019 president omar bashir was overthrown by the military. 4 months later, the military stepped aside in favor of a civilian lead. transitional government soldiers were accused of using excessive violence against protesters in october last year. it signed a peace deal with rebel groups to end 17 years of fighting. it's meant to lead to elections in 2023. in february, this year, prime minister, abdullah, hum duke announced a cabinet re shuffle to push through reforms so the country can get international aid. ah, let's bring our guests into the show. now we have joining us in dow hostile i had dinner zane, an expert on sudan and former director of al jazeera center for studies in somerville, massachusetts, alex to wall. he's the executive director of the world peace foundation and former
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member of the african union mediation team. for dar for sudan, a warm welcome to both. let's start if we can with alex, why are people so wired about the transition in sudan that they've come out on train, some of them from around the country to protest to the capital? well, the immediate spot for this was a reporter to attempt about a week ago, but if it was a crew attempt, it was an extraordinarily amateurish. ready one and what it really revealed was not so much the fragility of the regime to the potential comeback of former estimates, but more the power of the military within this delicate balance between the, the army and the civilians. it, one of the responses of some of the civilian leaders to the events was we are more worried about the, the army, supposedly in government,
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supposedly defending us. then we are about the threat of a could make it. so what it shows is potentially that sudan might follow the trajectory of its historic transitions back in 1964 back in 1995, where you had a civilian uprising, a period of democratic rule. and then the army took power once again. that's a wiring precedent, obviously for many civilians who want to see civilian rule. so law had been in the military and the civilian component in the transitional council, are they heading towards a collapse right now? how do you read the situation? thank you very much. i think the main challenges that faces the transition into that now is the fragmentation off the leadership days. i mean, the whole set up was an agreement between the military side of the
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civilian side to share the burden of transitioning the country into a democratic era in 3 years and a few months. but then we started to see the cracks from the beginning. it started as a competition between the 2 sides, and then that developed into an open conflict between the 2 sides. there was, i mean, the civilian and the military. and the recent events that followed the attempt it showed 1st is that there are so much areas of disagreement between the 2 sides. and 2nd, that within the bins of sci fi, there is no coherent leadership for the division. the politics of division has inflicted a lot of damage to the 50 years and that made the military side looks more
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in charge. and i think what is happening now is that unless the civilian side can come to get out on an unified framework of how they're going to handle the different issues from economy as opposed to the politics, to their foreign relations. issues about these and so on. and so forth. and unless they agree on a clear structure of leadership, they're always feel the find themselves very vulnerable in front of the military establishment. and i think the, the, the situation in the country, especially when it comes to the worsening economic situation makes the, the whole issue. now the people look for a leadership for, for people who can lead the country into more to stability. so that,
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that at least they can see light at the end of the founder. and i think it's all lies in the hands at the moment for the civilian side. but also just remember when we told is it all in the hands of it inside. let me jump in here and ask the question perhaps, to alex, are you reading any signals at the military actually doesn't want as time goes on that they don't want to transition towards civilian rule if they haven't sent a date or no dates been sent for. even the championship of the sovereign counsel to be transferred to civilians. i think that is part of the fear. i mean, anybody who expected this revolution quickly to read lead to a stable civilian government must have been very naive. in fact, in retrospect the, the, the slogan of the protest which was tough, could pass just fall to president. russia was what was pap simplistic, the challenges that face setting up a civilian government. what immense, i mean,
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just focus on the economic challenges because the economy and the, the previous regime of omar bashir had become, thoroughly corrupt. it was, it was a crony capitalist system, in which there was watch on many of the democratic activists called the deep stage of the summit. but the deep state was equally the penetration of the military and security into almost every commercial sector, including also the paramilitaries who had arisen more recently and for that it led by general had meant to control for example, a lot of the gold trade. now in order for the civilian government to deliver on the aspirations of the people for cheaper bread for employment, for lower inflation, for a better standard of living to key things needed to number one is to don needed an
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inflow foreign assistance needed to get off the state sponsors of tara list have the sanctions lifted, have its dent rescheduled, et cetera, et cetera. the international community was extremely slow in responding to that. so prime minister abdullah m dot k a very talented and skilled economist was essentially sent in to salvage. the student is economy, but with his hands tied behind back and that was a, the culpability. there lay to a large extent with the international. the other factor was that the, the military are not just fighting for the military. also have an enormous control over the, the, the economy. they have a military budget that is completely out of control, their own military and security investments in all the key sex. and until that can be dismantled. there simply is no level playing field for the legitimate civilian
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commerce to, to compete. and it will not be possible for the student is economy to recover. so the, the, the civilian government has been fighting a struggle, really on 2 fronts that it's very, very difficult for it to when i wonder some are had, then, is there a 3rd front? are we oversimplifying this by simply looking at this as a struggle between military and civilian elements? when you listen to some of the criticism coming from both, both from some of the civilian or parts of the civilian elite as well as from the military. they say that the, even the civilian component of the transitional sovereign council, the civilian government, it's been too narrow in inclusiveness to including all the political forces in positions have been busy,
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says the deputy chairman of the transitional sovereign council on distributing positions and carving up power amongst their fellow people rather than not actually focusing on helping the civilian population is some of that criticism valid? well, i think that is absolutely correct. and if we look for a few months back, prime minister, how do you know when he interests the nation and announce and initiative the way forward. he acknowledged that there was not only the division between the civilian and the military, but there are also a very deep divisions among the civil side, which she hampered the effort of the government. because i mean, if you look at the so many issues that they fail to result because of these divisions, they fail to agree on civilian governance for the different the state. they failed to agree on the composition of the different commissions that report by the, by the institution of the 2 men. they failed to agree on the establishment of the
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legislative body. all these because of the divisions among the civilians themselves . in addition to the disagreement with the militaries and secondly, let us not forget that i agree with alex is that, you know, the situation is sudan after the fall of her. but she was so complex and it required that to build a broader coalition consensus on the civilian side to move forward. and unfortunately, the divisions did not allow the government to move forward because the issues are so complex as prime minister handbook. and so yes, we agreed that he came with a lot of you know, expertise as a techno class. but for he knew, coming from outside the country for being a way for quite some time. and he left a lot of knowledge about the internal politics and intricacies. of the sudan,
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his politics, and to be the lead at this moment without support from the, the, the forces of freedom for and t. i think that also created a big building on him. so the way forward requires to go back and try to build a broader coalition of forces that really interested in transitioning the country in just a book. let's see, i'm bringing in these different players so that they can work together. otherwise, with all these politics of divisions that's going on in the country, i don't think it's for the videos would have a chance to succeed given what saw had been has just said that, alex, do you think the country is on track? can get on track for a new constitution for new election laws for getting more on groups to sign up for peace or do you agree with some and less so i spoke to said the civilian component,
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the civilian authorities themselves are not in a hurry for new elections because they fear whether they could win election and whether they have a summer, hadn't said some of them are from are seen as outsiders spend most of their life outside the country. let's. let's have no illusions that of course, that they're going to be these divisions. they're going to be these huge controversies over the last 60 plus years. sudanese have not been able to agree on the most fundamental elements of the identity of the nation on what political direction it should take. and so to expect, unity is, is unrealistic. to be, to be frank, where i think we can make it an important progress needs to be made is turning the, the, these discussions, these controversies, these debates into the,
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bringing them into the system within the formal system of governments itself. and i think setting up the transitional, national legislative assembly, it's absolutely essential. so that can be some sense of democratic oversight and accountability over the actions of executive, both the civilian and even more importantly the, the, the military. because so much of what the military has been doing and continues to do is operating in the shadow. i think also there is, there is a misapprehension here that there could be a, you know, a fixed and final formal settlement, a permanent constitution, a system of governance. and saddam, that is going to satisfy everybody. what student is have a particular talent for a very under appreciated tell is continuing the national discussions in
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a very civic, an open ended way so that we're not as wearing a transition to a future fixed, permanent state. but we're in a transition to another transition. and endlessly so don, will be evolving in response to 2 changing circumstances to the that the management of these radical differences in view about the nature of the country, the future direction. and the particular talent sudanese, political leaders need to have is to keep that dialogue on going to keep it civic and to keep violence out of the equation. and that is a responsibility that particularly on the military, can they do that task. so law had been, especially when you look at what's happening in some parts of the country in the east tribes disrupting pipelines, shutting down ports. you've gone to wonder whether this government is actually
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mismanaging sedans, very unity at this point. this is, my view is the reflection of the crisis of leadership and the way the government, the transition and government handled the negotiations leading to the to about the men created the, the condition that let what is happening in eastern part of the country. and if it is not addressed in a proper way, it could lead to another part of the country also getting into trouble with the, with the, with the central government. so it is a reflection of the crisis of leadership that we are facing right now. unfortunately, prime minister, ham though the 1000000 jose who wins that crisis ready to ship, who wins, than in the end. if you got tribes trying to break away,
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you've got civilian authorities fighting each other. you got the split between the military and civilian authorities who comes out a winner in the end is it may unfortunately, it, it, it might pave the way for the military to, to consolidate its power in the country. something that everybody a doesn't want at the beginning of this transition in 2000 and 19th we, i mean the whole country was aspiring force transitioning into a democratic civilian route. but unfortunately, because of the mismanagement over the last 2 years, it seems that it opened the way for concert a day thing, the power of the military 8 is not going to over offer a solution to the country. but that seems to be that the way things are moving right now until i believe is still there is an opportunity. if the political elite come together and realize that the only way forward is to establish a consensus or our national agenda for transitioning the country. and
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a. 3 start preparing for a real democratic election in 2 years from now of 2 years plus and to leave the country to move forward. because the moment for the whole debate seem to be moving back and forth around issues that is not really the court issues authorization to do more. that is a democracy at the politics of division seem to have taken over. and so that is the country that has a lot of experiences. i mean from the time of the independence back in 19 fifties, we went through this process about 34 times. right. and now the country, it has a wealth of experience that they can build on and move forward. right, alex, you mentioned a moment ago some of the economic challenges facing the country. the have been some breakthroughs or some success stories,
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getting sedan off the sanctions list. but how much of that has really translated into real progress for the average man on the street when it comes to inflation when it comes to debt? when it comes to subsidies, the exchange rate, the trade deficits and so on. all these things are moving painfully slowly and, and, and i think this is the, the factor that is underlying the frustration of, of the people of the streets about the, the pace and the direction of the transition. that said, one thing that we are seeing at the moment is that people interpret the signals coming out of the military leadership, general brand general. i met very clearly, they very clearly identified that this is a military threat to the civilian that government. and even those elements on the
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civilian side that have been most critical of the leadership of prime minister would undoubtedly rather have him then, then the military coming back and said there is a lot of experience in sudan about managing transitions. there's also a lot of experience about the, the perfidy of military leaders who promise that they will have a short cut to quick solution to national salvation. and they take power. and for a moment, they may be a claim because they appear to offer that result, that decisive. but actually that the, the country more deeply into crisis. what i think at the moment is encouraging is that the not only are, is the street aware of, of the issues. people are politically very conscious of the stakes
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that are in play at the moment. and the need to, to restore that civilian unity, that spirit of, of the revolution. but also belatedly, the we are, we're seeing a result from the international being. and she was seeing the us special envoy in sudan like the u. s. congress. moving. and we're seeing the, the, the world bank making serious interest growing. yeah. let's hope that they will be able to salvage the revolution for now. let's thank our guests. saw had been as zane and alex the wall and thank you for watching. you can see the show again any time by visiting our website al jazeera dot com for further discussion head over to our facebook page. that's facebook dot com, forward slash ha inside story. can also join the conversation on twitter. our handle is at a j inside story. from me, sam is a dan and the whole team here, now,
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