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oh, i, wherever you go in the world, one airline goes to make it feel exceptional. kat are always going places together. ah. hello i mariam no. my z and london are main stories. now. russia is warning that it will intensify. attacks on keys after accusing ukraine of targeting russian border towns. it also says it's restored a weapons factory and the outskirts of the capital. moscow says the plant made anti aircraft and anti ship missiles. this is a 1st major attack in the area in 2 weeks. meanwhile, us pentagon officially sang rushes muscular wash it was hit by 2 ukrainian missiles before it sank in. the black sea confirms keane's account of events which russia
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has disputed. it's not clear how many of the 500 strong crew evacuated from the warship. child stratford isn't key where there's been a response to the latest russian ass strikes that statement from the give regional military administration saying, well they describe as 3 objects and that is literally the word that they use were hit were targeted by russian forces last night. and they saying that they cannot, in no way if issues potentially not being more strikes in the near future. what's interesting is that this strike comes were came literally just hours after the russian military admitted that their flagship for the, the blank c fleet had sunk, as it was being towed back to port. israel's foreign minister of tale bene is
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warning. his forces are prepared for any scenario off to violet confrontations of the alex and most compounding occupied east jerusalem. ah, around 300 palestinians were detained by israeli forces who entered the mosque before dawn on friday, they used tear gas and stunned grenades. while some palestinians threw rocks tensions of sword recently after deadly attacks in israel and palestinian desk during subsequent raids in the occupied westbank palace in presidency. as saying, the storming is a dangerous development. natasha game has more on this. now. our city ends were already outraged and in morning, due to about a 2 dozen palestinians being killed and during raids in the west bank over the last week, many had been bracing for violence during friday prayers. and of course that is exactly what happened. thousands of people,
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more than 60000 muslims were able to worship inside l ox. i'm off today despite the several hours long fighting with the israeli police that's according to the entity that manages the oxide compound. but the scenes inside lingering on social media has deeply outraged palestinian. i mean, the fact that it really is actually inside optima is considered a competition. some palestinian group calling it a declaration of war just to remind you or if there were bags and flashes of sun grenades being used in the 3rd holy sight in his lamp. there was a cloud. many clouds of here gaz. hovering inside the moss people were trapped, there were people shoving, trying to get outside. there were scenes of men on their stomachs lying on the floor inside a mock. and of course, very distressing images of people who were injured at last count,
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policy and red crescent said 158 palace to me and were injured. chinese authorities are putting the city of john into a partial covered lockdown from saturday. part of the country 0 tolerance policy, which is also effective commercial hop shanghai. some people have been protesting off to being evicted from their homes. they could be turned into quarantine centers . china, 2nd largest, actually spent 3 weeks on the when you current of ours restrictions. and then twitter says that it's unanimously. dogs are so called poison pill plan that could block eli mosques, $43000000000.00 takeover bed tester in space, ex own recently bought and 9 percent stake to as a student has the move would allow existing shareholders to buy new stocks at a substantial discount flooding the market. oh, the headlines this how the bottom line is coming up next news later on. ah,
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i am steve clements and i have a question as the war and ukraine turned into a long slog. is the window for a diplomatic solution? slowly closing? and was there ever even a window, let's get to the bottom line? ah, the world is coming to the conclusion that the war in ukraine could go on for a very long time. and now the west is shifting its response from soft power to hard power. when the west launched a financial war against russia in february, the hope was at russian leaders, and those who love them would feel the pinch and change course away from war. but it's now obvious that moscow has enough resources to continue its war effort. and ukraine is bracing for some intense fighting in its eastern provinces and or a full nationwide serge. now the west is shifting its emphasis to supplying ukraine with more and heavier weapons. at the same time,
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a major donor conference was held in poland to provide humanitarian assistance to the millions of ukrainians who have fled their homes since the start of war, and more than $10000000000.00 was pledged. so what's next for the ukraine war and the western response, especially in next door, poland. and is there any hope for a diplomatic off ramp to this war? to day we're talking with mark brzezinski, the u. s. ambassador to poland, who began his post just a few months ago, just as washington started warning that war between russia and ukraine was imminent . ambassador brzezinski, it's such a pleasure to be with you today. i look, i just have to start and ask you, you have a perspective, any perch, very near the frontline of this conflict. unlike most of us, what are the big parts of this that those watching the show should be aware of right now in this very tense moment. stage, thank you for having me. what's in one watch in this part of the world? poland, the frontline state for nato. with regard to this crisis in ukraine,
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3 things. one, poland has a national policy to take all the refugees coming in from ukraine and put them into people's houses. and apartments never before has a nation done that with refugees arriving to its border and more than 2 and a half 1000000 ukrainians have come across the polish ukrainian border. in the last 30 days, steve, when i was in bassett, or to sweden, the swedes were rightfully proud about how they had successfully assimilated 1000000 refugees over 20 years. poland has received 2 and a half 1000000 refugees in 30 days and put them all in people's homes and apartments. the question though is, what is the capacity maximum as it pertains to that? how many more refugees can poland take to what happens next in terms of the
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security crisis? the, the, but the polls have not been directly attacked by russia, but missiles have landed very close to poland border. in fact, when president biden was visiting poland, 2 and a half weeks ago, the russian military lobbed missiles and levine, ukraine. not that far from the polish border. what's next? as it pertains to poland, security. and then last unity, european unity, trans, atlantic, unity, global unity as it pertains to this crisis. most important question is, given that this is not just a polish problem 80 and that it is good for others to join poland in helping carry this burden. and so of this problem, to what degree can there can nato unity, e, u unity transit, atlantic unity. last and be generated into a unity of purpose to come up with solutions. because it doesn't look like putin's
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leaving ukraine any time soon. unfortunately, ambassador, recently several senior polish government officials told me that they were planning for a future for their nation that looked something like pakistan, ah, of seeing themselves as pakistan to what afghanistan was, you know, supplying, and insurgency helping to support an insurgency inside ukraine. now we have to basic, when this was told to me a couple of weeks ago, there was this sense that perhaps presidents lensky, s efforts would falter, and we have a different picture to day. but poland was already stealing itself for a unique role in the ongoing long terms of this conflict. and i'm interested in whether they've discussed that with you and what the implications are from a nato perspective. if we have a nato ally, nation that is going to continue to be directly involved with fund funnelling and funding and supporting, and insurgency. we'll see that's
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a great question. but it's important to remember that poland was stealing itself for this crisis in ukraine because it was the u. s. intelligence community that got it right. and got it right, well before the outbreak of the conflict months before put an attack ukraine, intelligence officials, including our director of national intelligence, abel hames, was coming to the polls and saying, these are what the defensive and offensive structures of russian military are. and this is how russia's political elite intends to use them. you need to be prepared. and so in conjunction with the polish government, the u. s. embassy here began to work very closely on the 8 border crossings in between ukraine and poland, medica, cordova, to make sure that 1st of all, we could guarantee u. s. id as in evacuations out of ukraine. but then 2nd,
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to begin to develop capacity for a mass influx of refugees. and so what is going to be happening here? well, the ukranian refugees in poland have come to poland because they want to remain close to ukraine. they are not, many of them are not going on from poland to germany, to france, to spain. the languages are similar polish, ukrainian, russian languages. those are all slavic languages. so ukrainian language and pose languages are similar. the food seminar and the ukrainians. want to stay close to ukraine in the hope and the prayer that the russians do leave. and that can get back to ukraine to rebuild their lives on. so they are here for a refuge, but the polish role in the future hopeful hopefully will be one of rebuilding a post put in invasion ukraine if the ukrainians are able to kick the russians out
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. um, but as it has been suggested, that may be a long term thing. you know the pulse as well as the lithuanians, the last, the in the estonians were among the quickest to align with those us intelligence findings that, that, you know, this war was going to happen at least, but a lot of other western allies saw america as a bit trigger happy as a bit paranoid, and there was an ero, definite dissension within europe about what might be coming. now the story may be different today, but it's hard to middle. the news this fat right now between the president of poland and the president of france, one calling the other a far right anti semite. the other saying, hey, you're negotiating with poll pot and the hitler and stalin is the equivalent of macaroni negotiating with vladimir putin. and we've also just seen tension, as we saw with france being recalled from the united states, you know, being represented. i say just last october over attention. i guess my question to
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you is, how much of this is surface noise and what are the real, you know, what is the real character of the european relationship and, and need a relationship from your perspective? well, it's an interesting question because 4 months ago when i was in ambassador school, steve, back in northern virginia, i was being told by many of my colleagues that we're not going to be able to work with this center, right government, that this is going to be a difficult process of developing alignments. and what i have found actually is that this crisis has produced alignments on security and also on democracy and values and the economy that are important in terms of the american polish relationship. in other words, just like dialectical behavioral theory where several things can be true at once. we've been very clear with the polls that we stand foursquare with you on your
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security. and so steve, we have now $10500.00 us troops in poland, all on polish basis. we have patriot missiles staged to protect poland. and our president has been clear that we will protect every square inch of polish territory because it's a member of nato, as it's a member of nato. um, so we stand foursquare with the poles on security. but we also need to see absolute commitment to democracy, to values, and to their credit, the do, the government has produced some forward positive motion when it comes to renewing the licenses of discovery, tv, and when it comes to vetoing what had been called lex tv and which was going to take away the license, so one of the private tv stations here and t, v, telling the education bill because we were open, we, among many others,
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were alarmed about its contents. and so those are ways that these so to speak, different areas, security, democracy, values, equality are interdependent with each other. and we've been able to create a strategic realignment with this p. s government that i think some didn't expect. europe has its own relationship with poland as well, and i think europe is also working to develop a, a renewed and improve relationship given the crisis. but there are different interests, as we can see between the french and the poles as well. well, this raises the interesting question of ukrainian membership in nato, and of course, you know, nato basically welcomed it's application in 2008. there is a memo out there that was done by then ambassador to moscow us ambassador moscow, bill burns. now, direct the cia who said that the russians would be neurologist about this issue.
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and that seems to come to pass, but it raises the interesting question of ukraine's future. and now the presumption that a lot of folks have, and we've even heard it from presidents lensky, that ukraine's future must be one of neutrality. do you support that? you think that smart given what you just shared about poland, security about how polish people feel about their security? well, you know, steve polish membership in nato, 1st and foremost, was a decision by the polish people. they wanted to be locked into. what we, steve. busy know as the overlay that defines europe, the overlay of nato, and the e u. and so the poles voted to join those organizations. and thankfully, the other countries that are members of those organizations voted them and mo, voted them in to. and the result is a country on the border of the ukraine crisis that has not become
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d stabilized by the arrival of almost 3000000 refugees in 30 days. and quite frankly, steve, it wouldn't have been impossible for the poles who have built a successful positive growth economy, except for one year coven year, positive growth economy over the last 30 years. it wouldn't have been impossible for the country to say to you arrive in ukrainian refugees, we feel your pain, we see what you're going through. and we can't have you here because we've just rebuilt our country and we need to protect it. they did exactly the opposite. i'm here in warsaw, poland where there are 400000 ukranian refugees. some stain at the stadium across the river here. others in people's homes. 10 percent of the population of warsaw is now ukrainian refugees. 10 percent of poland population is recent
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arrivals from ukraine. it's an amazing story. and again, the country is under no threat of becoming destabilized. and when you consider the economic motor train for central europe that poland is. if this country didn't become the stabilized, he would collateral lea a fact about 14 countries in the region immediately. and thankfully, due to nato membership and e membership, there is a, you know, super regional lab that gives the countries certainty that it wouldn't have it. but if it wasn't part of those organizations, look, i want to tell our audience that mark brzezinski is not only a and ambassador to have, you know, previously to sweden. you know, he directed arctic affairs. at one point he was directing around bastard upon you or your director for russia and eurasia, the national security council. you've been watching vladimir putin and those around him for a very long time. you have insights that most of it, joan and,
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and i guess i asked, i have this foreboding sense of what may yet come, you know, we've just seen of the appointment of russian general alexander varney, cough the, the so called butcher of syria butcher of aleppo. ah, who is going to be? ah, you know, now responsible for this war and ukraine presents. lensky has been saying the worst may yet to come. he needs more. i guess my question to you is when america watch watches this nightmare, which is already bad enough, further unfold, what is going on both, what, what can we do more? and then secondly, what's going around in putin land? i me, what are some of the people around him saying and doing, i mean, that's something that none of us have as much per view it in into as much as you might. sure. well, i was working steve on the national security council when the question emerged early one morning, who is vladimir putin because he had arrived in moscow from st. petersburg,
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plucked by then president boris yeltsin, to be his prime minister. he literally came out of nowhere, came out of the k g b. and there was very little known about this man who was then immediately identified as the successor for boris yeltsin, being groomed by boris yeltsin in order to cover for boris yeltsin and his family. and. and you know, the allegations, the criminal allegations that were being made against members of wars, yelton's family, not just in russia, but in western europe and so forth. and to, to provide the yelton family that kind of cover. and one of the 1st things vladimir putin was assigned by president yeltsin was the pacification program. the russians undertook in the north caucasus, and chechnya, which was cruel and brutal. so what am i worried about?
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i'm worried about a repeat of that pacification program in ukraine. what is it that we can do, steve? we can supply, and we can sanction, and we can support. we can supply the ukrainian fighters and what fighters, they are showing the world. they are these people who are literally coming out of their day jobs, who many of whom haven't been in the military for a while, are protecting their homeland with the guts and with support from the west. it is important that we continue to do that 2nd sanction. we sanctions take a while, steve, to have another fat, but i'm proud i work for a gover. and that has sanctioned almost 400 entities and individuals all close in to putin, to levy the pressure on those who benefit from putin's regime. and who, in turn,
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we hope will pressure putin to stop what he's doing because it is ruining their, their, their lives and that of their families. and then lastly, developing a global support system to either take in ukrainian refugees who are leaving or to support the humanitarian crisis. i'm so pleased that to day here in warsaw, david mouth asked the president of the world bank is here to talk very practically and tangibly about what the bank and the global community can do for this part of the world. and the people who have experienced people here at such important news about the world bank. i didn't know that and, and appreciate you sharing it. but we also are interested in justice and what comes if there is an after what that after looks like. and it occurs to me, the united states is not a member of the international criminal court. how do we, how to wanna participate legitimately actively in the assignment of accountability
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in, in a phase in the future? because the president and secretary of state anthony blank and have said that russians have committed war crimes that we're going to provide. so what is our role in that process given our lack of standing in the i c. c. well, they have said that, and i think the 1st thing is to develop a support system and an infrastructure to support the investigation of what has happened. and i agree with my president and my secretary of state that it looks very much like war crimes have been done and evidence needs to be gathered to prosecute those war crimes. um we saw that successfully done out of the balkans worse in the late 19 ninety's and i am certain we're going to see that done as this conflict. you know, moves forward and hopefully one day concludes, you know, we live at a time when it's more easy than ever before,
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to forensically bear witness and forensically collect evidence on what has happened . and 1st and foremost, you can see that from all the video footage that is coming out of boucher and other cities that have been victimized ah, and secretary blinkin has stood up a section in the state department to provide material and leadership as it pertains to supporting the investigation of war crimes, and i think that that's an important 1st step. now we have a situation mark where there are some states in europe that are aligned with us, but nonetheless, remain highly dependent upon russian coal upon russian gas. poland is one of these . it's an importer, just very quickly. how do we manage our equities, where the nation there war, how do we not become the funders of russia's ongoing war efforts? sure. well, you know, energy is one of those industries that is being completely disrupted by the crisis
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in ukraine. it's just a fact that poland had to win itself away from russian energy sources. and poland had to wean itself away from coal. and the ukraine crisis is just giving greater intensity too, that progress, that poland is making a let me just ask you finally and past. i really appreciate your time. i recently met with the polish ambassador of the united states who made the point that there was not a single refugee camp for ukrainian refugees in poland. that as you said, they had been brought into homes into apartments. we're talking millions of people absorbed into the private life. their president biden has talked about, potentially opening up of the united states to, to, to refugees from ukraine, up to a $100000.00 or so, which means you're embassy. your console or function will likely become the frontline of that effort. how open is america going to be? are we going to be able to be part of that cushion and support for ukrainian
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refugees here in the united states and as your team going to process them? it's a great question because consider services and processing has moved from ukraine from u. s embassy cab which continues to operate, but out of poland and one hasn't seen lines in front of the u. s. embassy, warsaw, waiting for visas for a while. and now you see them again. i think the most important point, steve, though, is that as the polls take in millions of refugees into their homes, that the polls here clearly basically 2 lines that i always say to the poles when i'm on polish television. and that is polar sky. yes, best bet. sheena, poland is safe and polar sky. yes, it's our best to jonah. poland is secure, and poland is safe and secure. because america stands with it. and america will
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fight for every square inch of polish soil because it is a member of nato. i am grateful to president biden, to vice president harris, to secretary blinkin secretary austin and the top u. s. officials who have been here in poland in the last 5 weeks and that is a lot of v v i. p is coming through and saying the same message, and every time they said it, it wasn't less important. the polls need to get that kind of reassurance as they do that heavy lift. and it was important when president biden was here. he quoted the famous polish general today of course, jewish gong, the poet general, who came to america during the revolutionary war 200 plus years ago, and fought for american freedom. and was famous for saying that vos have all. no, she nasha for your freedom and ours, more than ever. as the polls do this lift and spend their own money to carry this
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burden, they need to hear that from the united states of america. while powerful, we could have this conversation for hours, but i know we don't have that time, but i just want to thank my good friend, us ambassador to poland. mark brzezinski, thank you so much for your candor and for your being with us today. thank you, steve. thank you for having me. so what's the bottom line? the warren ukraine has been really ugly with possible war crimes committed and it could get uglier, with no end in sight, sitting around and hoping that it's going to end soon just won't help. so what's the world supposed to do? my guess today is sending a message of american support for ukraine, an nato allies. but he's also sending a signal that russia could lose so much more of putin escalates this war. already russia is becoming cut off from the world and the gains that made over the past few decades. i very much hope i'm wrong on this, but right now it looks like escalation is more likely than not. and that grim reality is what the whole world needs to brace for. and that may mean
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a period of sacrifice and hardship are many, not just in ukraine, but all over the world. and that's the bottom line, ah, for the big lake nija attract tourists and under pins, the local economy. thousands depend on his precious souls. ah, i'll just hear a world explorer, the major environmental issues above and below the surface that threatens lake red bus. very existence center goals, pink plate on. ouch is here. a
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get a bright . ah . hello, i'm r m new machine london. a quick update on the main stories now in russia is warning that it will intensify. attacks on key of after accusing ukraine of targeting russian border towns. it's also saying as destroyed a weapons factory in the outskirts of the capitol. moscow says the plant made antea croft and anti ship nestles the 1st major attack in the area in 2 weeks. meanwhile, a u. s. pentagon officials as rushes masika walsh was hit by 2 ukrainian missiles before it sank in the black sea. that confirms cubes account.


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