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descendants of the original 39 indigenous groups, most of them are among the poorest in the country. many see their trial as a unique opportunity to begin a long awaited process of acknowledgement and reparation. that will be a very civil. i'll just cedar chuckle, argentina. ah, her again, i'm fully bathsheba. with the headlines on al jazeera, a group of civilians has left the besieged, still works plant in the ukrainian city of merrier poll. russian forces have bombarded for weeks trying to seize the city. ukraine says 20 people got out. russia says 46 were taken to separate his hell territory. hundreds more believe to be trapped along with ukrainian soldiers who are refusing to surrender. a you and convoy is invariable to negotiate. the evacuations of more civilians from the plant across the city, food, water, and medicine, are running low. i shes offensive in the east continues. meanwhile,
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char stratford has this update. what we understand is that there are ongoing efforts being led by the un troy. negotiate safe passage to get a convoy of vehicles in there to that as or still pull and pull more people out. it was interesting yesterday the reports of at least 20 people including women and children who were rescued out of the as of that joint. great. so that bill play, that has obviously been on the siege nail for weeks, but interestingly, there is as yet no verifiable proof of life. it's not known exactly where these people have been taken. the speaker of the us house of representatives has, thanks ukraine's president for what she described as his fight for freedom during a visit to keep nancy pelosi told louise lensky. his battle is for every one and reassured him of continued us support. in other news, the family of the rwandan man whose life inspired
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india and pakistan swelter an a record breaking heat wave. hundreds of millions are endangered by intense temperatures, as everyone tries to keep rulers, electricity blackouts because power stations hands cold, how much is climate change to blame and what can be done to reduce the impact this is inside stored? ah hello and welcome to the program. i'm debbie, navigate up scientist, a long war,
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and that climate change will lead to more intense weather, such as heat waves, floods, and cyclones. many point to a record breaking temperature is now in india and pakistan as proof in gen, swelter in the hottest march for a 122 years. and this month, many cities record a temperature is above 40 degrees for days on end. although heat waves are common and the region they don't usually start until may or june and pakistan meteorologist say, temperatures are at least 8 degrees higher than average. they could soar to 48 degrees next week in parts of sins, province. but let me go my way. we have to go outside to look. it's very hot. when the water gaddy becomes kind, hard to drink a lot, but you don't even have enough that water for the 1st name is evan empties it has gone de high and notes really scorching. and i don't know what he's going to come in the next few months. but don't we have come to with the children because it is very hot. this is the only way to beat the heat. what else is they to do?
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it is so warm already in this month. it's already this woman the beginning of summer. what will happen later, we had to beat the heat while the intense heat has increased demand for electricity and leading to power outages in both countries. some power station and in india only have a days worth of coal and reserve. the government cancelled 600 passenger trains services to prioritize fuel shipments. electricity blackouts are expected at hospitals and to stop metro station services in delhi. while the un intergovernmental panel on climate change says, india must drastically cut greenhouse gases to avoid devastating weather events. at the club, 26 conference in glasgow last year, prime minister and remote, a promise to achieve net 0 emissions by 2070 india along with china, were accused of watering down the final agreements commitments to phase out coal. ah, let's bring in our guess. we're all in india. joining us is arena chandler, as
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a car, a journalist at carbon brief, that's a website dedicated to news on climate and energy policy. she's joining us from them by in poon r. roxy. matthew cole is a climate scientist, the engine institute of tropical meteorology, and the new delhi is madura joshua, who's a senior associate of the climate change. think tank a 3 g one will come to each of you. thanks so much for your time with us on inside story. roxy matthew call this year as we've been reporting has been particularly hot, particularly early. how concerning is this heat wave? not only because of its timing, but it's spread as well. you know, dirty snow or i mean you're very from not easy bit and it causes a large region for the, you know, pakistan read, you ist starting from the northwest pakistan. good north. las india roger spun which route, and then to sent india and north india to watts off se india and east india alive your students like what is shot and go under provision to gunner, it's
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a large region of legally, from pakistan that's being covered by this heat moves and in the but to go aspect of this heated is that it has been here for quite a long time. and we see that with global warming, the frequency not only the frequency of the series, but the intensity and duration is covered by this. you are increasing and so if you look at the data from the gentleman to partner, you see that the marsh, that is the last 1 march of 2022 was the hottest ear for india. in the instrumental recalls. in the last 122 years. and if we lose not behind, it will shows a similar signature with some of the orchestra bridges. right. let me ask a sensor, bring up some statistics. i mean, last year's intergovernmental panel of climate change report found heat waves
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globally had become more intense and more frequent with high confidence that human activity was to blame. but in this particular case, what we're seeing across the region, is there any specific research or evidence that you've seen attributing the recent heat to global warming? or is it too early to tell when you put this heat wave down to? so if you want good guys, so each and every event be global, warming it many inductor search an attribution, but we are clear signature for this, you know, pop region and the data. and the statistics clearly show and our research to daily show this from the minister assigns that they are shown a clear trend in the intensity frequency under additional needs. he's ok, and i today global warming. ok, great, thank you so much. let's bring in a room into the discussion serona. what's your take on this? i mean, what do you put this down to? to what extent is the heat wave currently experienced in the region exacerbated by
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climate change? um they, i mean in terms of attribution their various different live and scientists and research. i have pointed to a very clear language signature that we keep leaves that india is currently experiencing. and the fact that these are staying awhile and they are much more frequent. a lot of this is also, i mean, india is not and this region is not necessarily a country or region of a deny list because this is very lived experience speak to anybody in the street and they would say that they haven't lasted, i haven't seen these kinds of deborah joe's in the months of march and april. ok. but there are other factors as well for, for instance, again looking at incredible developmental activities. but i mean there is a clear climate signal and therefore big meters. it's the same. do that. we need to be acting now. this is india at 1 point, one, c,
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v are due to see up to 3.5 c. that was the end of the century. we continue on our current emissions trajectory. ok, i think my 2 panels so far an agreement, the climate change has a big role to play here. but madura let's bring you in and i know that you've done a lot of work on, on the call in the country. so to what extent do you think the domestic factors are playing a role in india because of course it's deeply dependent on fossil fuels to power it's economy. so how much of a role is that playing and what we're seeing taking place right now in india? what i would actually like to focus on is the back of the heat based on the sector . so we have yard, if you see a huge shortage and has been a combination of multiple factors about the high dependence of call in the electrical effects at about 50 percent of both. and that have been both supply shortages and danger different for the supply. what did you buy can
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demand because the heat with its national supply deception, they've been from policy issue and payment of your, of by with distribution companies. hence, they're not been able to afford the, all i was to just doesn't to this a little bit more. i pointed out, so he's been into the temperature in march and april have basically brooklyn on record. and this coupled with thing up going to me up the got me for the band that make has definitely let to much higher the bike than was seen previously demanded di thing up at the base and the for, for decade. and these cars not, this is constrained the ability of the body of the plans to build up the top of the flight. the supply for sort of coal has also been disrupted both because of international and domestic season, internationally priced, wallet,
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journey high. and even last year, in about september and october and yet seeing power shortages again, due to domestic and international supply, the suction in export ban by countries such as indonesia, which was not rather than empty. the an extreme battling supply deception was nationally. right. i wonder if you can just tell us about some of the steps that the government has taken to alleviate this crisis when it comes to. the increase in power has left india as you've been saying, scrambling for coal and we're seeing some rationing taking place in several states . just tell us more about what the government has done and, and whether it's enough. sure. so one of the things that the government have done in the bank, there was a detective in december to reduce imports and keep them to bed. and essentially that has been diverse, however, that really high prices stuff. they've become
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a challenge. that is our directive to the states to try and increase the availability. they've also been off to the long term for supplies internationally and for the best deal that is available, as well as increasing in the transportation because that's also been a bottleneck. since the demand, despite so much, but these are very shocked on measures from a long term perspective. i think that is a strong case international part. moving away from all, did you think the dependence in coal and investing more in pain or energy saucer, which based less fewer of the light assumption that the not in the gym the nation stage. i'm speaking of clear energy. let me bring in, let me bring and roxy, roxy, because india is making the shift to cleaner energy with an ambitious target that was announced to draw 40 percent of its installed electric power from non fossil
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fuels by the year 2030. that is something that was announced by the prime minister . where do you think in just sounds on a climate commitments? is it on track to meet them and is it on the right track? in fact, well, i would say that, oh, from oh, very very, in terms of solar energy power or 2? no, gee, we are coming along the way, but are like any other countries, you also have made a strong commitment a large commit. well, and we need to style a bit more stronger in that way, but i would say none of the countries better it is, you was euro, or the other kind of these, like china. the committee commitments from any of these countries are not sufficient enough to keep the temperatures below 1.5 degrees, such as by 2040 or below 2 degrees celsius by 2060, so on a global level of it. so we need to work together to enhance our commitments
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and enhance our investments in green energy, so that'll we can bring the carbon dioxide emissions to a lower level. so that this heat bills and global temperatures gone shorter. because what we're seeing so far is a response to that one degrees celsius. and we see that by 2 degrees celsius we can't even imagine that he goes on the flags and the psych ones that we might see in the future in the near future within the next 2 decades. right? but just one more thing before i move on to ruin. i mean, when mowdy says that india will reduce the emissions intensity of its economy by 45 percent. you don't think that that is likely that will actually have an impact on limiting overall emissions. so what you're saying is you want the government to do to be doing more. yeah. all governments, because whether it is he quinn or any other extreme brother event, the responses from carbon dioxide emissions and carbon dioxide,
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how this property it's well spread. so no matter whether india in moves or china cabinets or us or europe emits the impact is for everywhere and under carbon emissions to chop this solar energy and we will how it impacts everywhere. so mean, you know, global level, ashen, global commitment binding commitment. so us to reduce carbon emissions. ok, i, rona, to interior agree with us that this needs to be more of a, of a global issue. i mean, we do see conferences like the paris club, the paris conference, and so on and so forth. but in terms of india, you know, a lot of people say, well, it's share of global greenhouse gas emissions. in fact, a significantly lower than countries that roxy was just mentioning, like the u. s. and like china. so is india paying for the excesses of the developed world? do you think is paying for the excesses? so in terms of historical responsibility,
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a dues have on doing their fair share and there's a long list. they may be promises that got and of course, that they are the colonizing their own economies. and of course, i think now the water ukraine has also really actually it was the sort of fossil fuel dependency of the western world. and we're seeing how those shifts are happening. and at the same time we're looking at a country. india has an incredibly ambitious pledge on paper, but it doesn't really necessarily add up because at the same time, the last 9 years have seen an extensive environmental deregulation. more and more on minds have been put on the auction block. we're also not necessarily seeing the rationale for the sort of shortage that is being seen in, you know, where at the same time we have a record amount to production. but at the same time,
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there is seems to be a project problems with justify more import. so it seems to be feeding into a cycle where the harder it gets, the more the demand. and of course, this is also been cited as something which is economic growth, and yes, it does have its fresh out of the budget. but at the same time we've been seeing as well or policies being the regulated at an extremely body scale. deforestation being on the rise, many of the call districts as well, which are in which there's mining going on at full space, are amongst the what is districts that we're looking at, but then gender food in my rush, i was just seeing amongst the highest temperatures are unwilling to be the places that are providing for us to keep the nation's lights on an air conditioners on. so these places are seeing the worst followed that environmental justice, which is where the most oh no, i mean, which was these by you the most of all policies. i focus over the years on the lack
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of consent and goes alteration of local communities, especially indigenous communities and leave it on these lines and live in the forest. and especially for gold mine expansion. so if you're not given, giving the people directly impacted a chance or a voice to be able to be hard on our to be able to exercise the consent that do we have seen significant drawbacks in laws around consultation and seeking people's consent for a lot of public sector, mind companies as well. they're not obliged to and they can use eminent domain powers to a guy, and that was my right. i'm a mentor. i see you nodding along with, with a ruin i was saying. and also let me put this to you. i mean, this is a statistic from the international energy agency, which has a population of more than 1300000000. of course, in india, the energy needs are set to rise more than any other nation over the next 20 years . so given the nation's heavy dependence on it does a call free future seem
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a long way off to you? i don't think so. that was the future is a long day all, all just to sort of be today some of the boys to meet at least in their family. and do you think that bunny, 15 of the percent of non participants capacity be well to be met, that in? as anybody do, the future is basically looking at the gigawatts of the $500.00. you got clean energy by 2030. and if the stock is met, they're looking at basically anywhere between 60 to 65 percent off and on, watson to base generation in electricity alone. and then there's also committed to call them if they're going to be easy. definitely not. but i don't see the share of called reducing, and i think the current situation and the volatility that they're seeing in the market, what does the prices on the supply deception make it even
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a stronger kids just from an energy security perspective, but also come in does multiple objectives, the does not make good affordability to invest much more and foster in didn't. they are cheaper from, from an electric point of view. they're cheaper new to new, cheaper than most of that are, be bob in addition of balance, particularly newer pipelines that are coming on right. your and your traditions and also be significant. but there is a lot that needs to be done, particularly and sticky to be able to try and move away from the starting line. i mean, i thought i would agree with greece with you, that there isn't a strong case to be amazed, but then let me, let me ask you a different question. do you think that the indian authorities are up to this challenge? is there the political will to do so? i think that definitely a political will do increase renewable. that can be, i think, some harder decisions that need to be made on the extent of all that is that in the
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sector, and particularly when we cut new pipeline under construction by pre construction by flight. i think that this particular that's something that needs to be looked that given the level of view that guessing even with high above the mind of projection, i think investing in cleaner solutions would be much better. there are a lot of policies in place that are looking at it, but that are also mixed signals. so i think there will be a nice look at some of these policy decision. i'm hopefully back on you know, and let's go line future roxy. so, you know, with a rapid growing population and as we've been saying, an economy that's heavily dependent on coal emissions in india are, are set to climb quite high. what's at stake? do you think of action is not taken to curve them? so the discussion so far has been one mitigation, of course the mitigation is the most important factor here because or whenever you
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in the car where you how carbon emissions then back is for mostly on the tropical regions, especially on the one of our like readings like saltisha and one of the way to work on it is on local edition. and how do we work on local, on that issue to early warning systems. so if you look at the mortalities due to heat waves during the last several decades, the heat fails. how increased and so how the modalities. but if you look at the last few years since 2017, the model using the india pakistan reading, how actually one down this is from the most recent report from the organization, the w. and one of the reasons is they have incorporated early warning systems and the heat wave work us just been coming out frequently since 2017 north 2015 and
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incorporated them in the national disaster management plans. so some of the states, i would say some of the states kid action plan or this march april may or early june period where they have policies to know why bulletins bulletins on chic based on temperature forecasts. yeah. so disconcerting. maybe 3 or 5 years ahead of the heat ribs. that is coming out. and there are 2 actions, few pictures, but we should, it's not going to skip fixes of course, forecast or improve, but we cannot do it logged in the 4 days of forecast. we cannot beat for every year for forecast to come, and after warning before she leaves or place because there are many other things you stace, for example, if you don't have policies in place, the number of working hours is loss. many farmers,
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or even stopping bit dalton, people's work together, they lose their working hours, they lose their articles of agriculture as well. so we need a long time, right? so just for the sake of time, i'll jump in there. what you're talking about right now is more how india adapts to the issues of climate change over to mom by and let me bring in a room for the final word from you talk to us about what you've seen in terms of adaptability and has india done and done enough so far, right? no heat waves in terms of or they're not listed as a disaster. which means that by that a lot of states cannot get central refund, especially in heat back to the areas. only a point of view conditions can actually play them as local disaster. so there in terms of being able to adapt to it or 2nd place to sort of plans. yes, there are states and there are cities that have their own action plans. but since
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i'm about, but these are all to cities that seem like a vast amount of deportation within them and she's been gotten better or what is got. so yes, there is definitely a need for instance, i live in bond b, which has the one heat island effect is in dense because it is so much build up area. and so little green space that people are pushed and have very few options. people like making into their cells by having a living and high rise. but this is definitely something that now my has its own climate change action plan. and we, it's up to state leaders to see how they actually implement the vital to putting off, you know, massive development and construction projects at the same time. there's also a need, i mean, like most of the many stories point out to how only 10 percent of actually deleted that schedule. what is the strokes now that something as well as looking at creating the sort of public health infrastructure to deal with both of them because
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that will arrive at our door, definitely increasing. so there is much, much more to be done, especially in terms of protecting cleaner as well as lou infrastructure cities and otherwise, and at the same time, not failing $74.00 and my apologies. 20 seconds to madura. is this a wake up call? do you think for india? so it is something that they need to now take into account. these are not normally, this is going to be more frequent. going ahead and hence it is important for us to see how all van shipped from litigation and that's okay. thank you so much for joining us, are not chad chandra, sac and roxy, matthew colon, madeira jace. thanks for joining us. thank you for watching. you can see the program again any time by visiting our website al jazeera dot com for further discussion. you can always go to our facebook page, that's facebook dot com, forward slash ha inside story, join the conversation on twitter handle is a james. i story on myself in the whole team here in delphi. thanks for watching.
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