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tribal people, the result has been disastrous without recourse to their traditional diet of salmon rates of diabetes and heart disease have sword. so it's really hard to emphasize just how important the seminar to us. i mean, for me, it's not just a food source, it's also the connection to my ancestors. now, after decades of negotiation and bureaucratic delay, the iron gate dam is going to be torn down. the process will take several years and will be the largest dam removal in u. s. history. when this dam and the others along the klamath river are finally removed, native americans and others who depend upon the river hope that it will once again flow free and clean and full of salmon, all the way to the sea. from here at the mouth of the klamath salmon travel up stream to spawn, after their mysterious journeys in the pacific ocean, where intertwined in every way,
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with the klamath river and without the klamath river. there, there are yacht people, a river to be restored for generations to come. rob reynolds al jazeera on the klamath river, ah quotes every with a slo, adrian finnegan, hearing though how the headlines and al jazeera, a french tv journalist, has been killed in easton ukraine. the governor of the hand screech, it says he was hit by shrapnel for a russian. artillery shell is the 24th journalist killed while reporting on the wall that is, coincides with the french foreign ministers visits to the cranium. china boucher where mass graves were discovered after russian troops left. catherine, catherine colona saw an exhibit of photos documenting alleged war crimes. she also plans to meet president philadelphia zalinski. at least one person has been killed, has been injured. i'm sorry,
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became the 1st u. s. president, to visit the island in almost 9 decades, calling his trip a quote, historic opportunity to leave the cold war behind. but then a good president, donald trump, all opportunities were lost in january 2021. the white house, designated cuba as a quote state sponsor of terrorism and accused it of malign interference and venezuela and the rest of the western hemisphere. and now under president joe biden, relations remain tense as this administration accuses habana of human rights by nations against cubans who protested against their government last year. this, amid the largest exodus of undocumented cuban migrants to the united states in more than 40 years. so what's next? for the 2 neighboring countries, i'm going to see in human in havana, and i've come to the cuban capital to meet with the man in charge of us affairs, the deputy foreign minister of the republic of cuba. for under the conceal talks to
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al jazeera, i mr. finance garcia, thank you for joining us. suppose there's a lot to talk about, but i'd like to start with the surprise announcement by the biden administration, that apparently it does, does not want to invite cuba to the upcoming summit of the americas. what does that imply? we have said that a summit that excludes some countries of the region. it's an exclusive ah summit. it's not a site, not an inclusive summit. it's a summit that arch chooses on a whim which countries could attend and which could not, based on the attempt to perhaps have a photo opportunity or showing a that you had a meeting that that could be political convenient. but if you're going to have a summit, you're going to spend money on it. if you're going to go to the trouble of convening
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heads of state and government, it would be to discuss the difficult problems that we have in our region, which are difficult. some of them are controversial and for the summit to be successful. the useful thing to do, and the fair approach to take would be to have everybody in have everybody put forward their points of view, even if you don't like them. if you're going to host a summit, but what was cuba planning to bring to the table and that summit, which is supposed to emphasize the migration problems that are afflicting the region. i mean, there is an unprecedented exodus of people from all over the region including cuba . at this moment, there's an old saying that if develop this not truly begin to trickle south, it will end up creeping north under development will be creeping north. and therefore, if you do not solve the economic and social problems of the region, it is very difficult for the northern countries, in this case, the united states, to stop the flow migration, legal or illegal. this is already recognized by the leaders of the united states.
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the president vice president, several 1000000 members of the government have said that to address the issue migration, you need to tackle the problems, the economic and social problems of the region with cooperation, with investment, with technical and financial assistance. yes. in the case of cuba, the official policy and the policy that is being applied is one of an economic blockade aimed at making life as difficult as possible, as unbearable as possible for the people of cuba. to purpose with the purpose of diminishing the standard of living of the cuban population. that in itself is an impulse for people to migrate to the developed countries above all the united states, which has a standing policy of invitation. united states stimulates migration both regular, but above all irregular migration and a cuban that arrives to the cuban to the u. s. border. as
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a difference to the migrant from any other country in the world will have a privilege ah, attitude by the u. s. forties. it has a high percentage of possibilities or being accept that doesn't happen to any one else from the region or from other other parts of the world. the figures are over 90 percent of them. if they do reach the border, they end up being accepted in the united states and therefore the cuban migrant. things that if he does reach the border, he has a high possibly the higher than anyone else will be accept. now if you add to that, the fact that since 2017, the u. s. shut down the processing of migrant visas in havana, india embassy in heaven. and it doesn't grant legal avenues for cubans to migrate to united states. then the individual that has a depressed economic condition, an invitation to go to the united states and no legal avenue to migrate. it is a great problem possibility. oh, for that person to take an illegal,
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irregular disorderly manner to enter into that fate. that's the problem. we're facing the case of que, i'm going to ask you more about the causes of that migration in a minute. but you just come back from washington where you headed. the 1st official face to face talks between the cuban in u. s. government and for years precisely about migration, what if anything was accomplished i what was accomplished was those are there was a good level of discussion on the causes of this migration. the issues that needed to be solved and a mutual recognition that the agreements that exist agreement, the, the bilateral agreements on migration that exist between the 2 countries i'm talking about basically 109-495-2017 should be implemented fully comprehensively. not in a selective map, there was a mutual understanding in that and a commitment to implement those agreements about what does that mean? specifically, it means granting, basically,
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granting visas in cuba to begin to process migration visas again in havana, in a meaningful manner for the united states to fulfill its commitment of a minimum of $20000.00 pieces a year for cuban migrants that has not been been accomplished or fulfilled since 2017. therefore, you have an accumulation of cubans that could have migrated 60 to 80000. that could have migrated, that fall, no legal way to, to get to the united states. and to, and to fulfill the goal, which is to move to united states. so that's an important step. and there was agreement that, that needed to happen. how and when and with which speed is something still to be seen. but there was a commitment to reestablish the migratory processing of and, and to again reach the point of $20000.00 pieces a year. and i understand that in exchange for this, cuba would agree to accept deported cubans,
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cubans that the united states does not agreed to allow to stay or considers ineligible for residence. that's part of the commitments of 27th of the agreement of january 2017. that we will receive people that upon arrival in the united states are considered not to be acceptable. and the u. s. government decides to deport them back to cuba. we agreed to take them, but we fulfilled that part of our agreement until the panoramic began to cover panoramic. but we, we understand that as part of our commitment, we said the agreements need to be implemented comprehensively. not, not selectively. as we all know, tuba is undergoing a huge exodus of its citizens right now, the largest since the 1980 is actually why do you think that is? there's a combination of factors. one is the difficulty columbia conditions of the country that are the result of an economic crisis. the pandemic, and also a pull it
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a policy from the united states. its official policy, deliberately aimed at making life difficult for the people to keep the u. s. as an overwhelming influence around the world. so the effect on the cuban population is not only that, that directly comes from not trading or not receiving any financial ah, activity with united states. it is the impact of the united states around the world . financial institutions that do not want to engage with cuba because of fear of the cost was that they could have in gauging, trade or commercial activity with cuba of trade organizations of, of companies that used to export to cuba and the want to export anymore. or companies that refuse to import cuban product to import cuban products. because of the trade relationship that they have with united states. the capacity of cuba to conduct its logical international trade or economic relations are
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difficult and face obstacles because of us pressures around the world. and this is not something new, it is within the u. s. and all the hillsburg law forces the u. s. government, it's an obligation of the u. s. government, according to that law, to pressure the governments of other countries for them to severe the economic relationship with cuba. well, does that part of the problems that we have? we also have, as i said again, what do u. s. calls the pool effect? the invitation by not fulfilling their agreements part of their agreements in 2017 was not what step anymore. cubans that reached their borders. they stopped doing that and they started accepting cubans. in march of this year, us accepted. $32000.00 cubans in a month. $32000.00 cubans in a month illegal migrants not just reach the border of the united states. cubans that want to migrate and hear that news and learn about it. they say there's an
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avenue there. there's a way to enter the united states. if you use the illegal child, and yet panama, which is the make, the practically the only way out of here to get to another country through corporate airlines. so you can get, for example, to nicaragua, which does not require a visa for cubans to make it know it has just implemented or the demand for transit visa and your government says that that is from pressure. that is the caused by pressure from the united states to, to stop the cubans from coming. so it seems to be a contradiction which the united states does not deny. what we are saying is that this is very unfair to cubans. cubans out want to migrate, want to leave the country. some of them are just travelers. they don't want to migrate, but now they are demanded. and this is discriminatory treatment of humans that the rest of blood, the americans don't have. they are demanding a transit visa to go to panama, including cubans that have a residence in other countries. richard chili argentina, brazil. they require
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a transit visa to go through panama. that is this discriminant, this treatment of cubans. the result of pressure is by the united states government that the u. s. government has not denied this exit as you just send yourself more than 30000. cubans have left in just one month. if accelerated, after the unprecedented, the very short lived uprising that took place last year in this country. and i think the only way you can describe it is that the reaction from the government to those who went out on to the streets to demand economic changes. political changes was very harsh. we're talking about prison sentences of up to 30 years for people who threw a stone or broke a window. i would disagree with your characterization of what happened 1st. one of the basic reasons that is pushing migration is people saw that the policy of the biting government is exactly the policy of the trump government,
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which is the maximum of pressure to work with. so they see that their economy opportunities in the country under the great power and the great influence of the united states. it will continue and that there conditions in queue, but will continue to be difficult. now your characterization of the government reaction to what happened on july 11th. you're saying harsh, sent the prison says that how many people went out of the street on that day, 10015008 few 100 were called into question detention or prosecuted. meaning that it is wrong to say that people were punished for peaceably prostate, protesting because a 1000 that went out, never saw the inside of a police station. never had to talk with a policeman. they just protested. and that was it. the sentences you qualify them harsh for thought for breaking a window. you don't see any 30 your centers for anyone, for throwing a rock and bringing
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a window. you don't know that now on that date there were vehicles that were burnt . there were our tax and police stations that were attacked to a pediatric clinics. there was vandalism. all of that in cuba is illegal. anyone who conduct activity in cuba must expect that they will have to face the impact of the law and that they can not live with impunity by doing act of that nature. while i've heard different stories from the relatives of the people who are now in prison, young people in the vast majority, 19 year olds, who are in prison for 20 years, but leverage you make me remember something, excuse me. you must have spoken with the relatives of most of the imprison people around the world, including the united states. and do you take for granted what they say about there were photos, families, and rules. there were photos and fields, but there were photos of cars being burnt. there were photos of police station being attacked. there were, there were photos of aggression against civilian there, worse there were for those vandalism of people steaming objects,
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30 years and peaceful, protesting. i didn't say they were peaceful, but let me, what would you remind me of? it's something that president fidel castro, one said, when they were troubles here before he said, i guess a luminous scare me. and we have to set an example. is that what these sentences meant to do to prove to send a message to cubans that they could not go our massively on to the streets to protest. but that is a huge fabrication publication coming out of the u. s. government that 1st began to say at the protest were for weeks when evidence showed that it wasn't so no, i cannot say that this was true to set an example. this was the implementation of the law in cuba. a people cannot do illegal activity and cause harm with impunity. any country will react in the way in latin america in latin america, where there has not been any campaign by the u. s. government. there are people
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whose eyes have been taken up in chile, in columbia, ankle, in some of these countries that have been dozens of massacres within one year. none of that happened in cuba. none of that. and do you say that when that occurs in the latin american countries, this is to ship an example, was this a qualification only for cuba? cuba has, of course, been at odds with united states for 61 years. and the embargo, blockades, as cuba calls it from the united states has been ongoing fact. it's much harsher now than it was for many, many years. yet that is something that you probably won't be able to change. how can the cuban government, or what can the cuban government do to convince it citizens to not want to leave on your own merits? not something that depends on the united states. because if that's the case, give up. i think you're right, there's nothing in the horizon that tells us that the us economic policy to try to
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punish cuba and to make life as difficult as possible for the cuban people is going to change the near future. the current government doesn't seem inclined in that direction in any way, so it is clear for us and our government and our president has been very clear on that. now we need to build our own development. we need to solve or economic problems, stabilize our economy. a chief prosperity and make life here. so like humans, find that their future and their possibilities of improving their living standards is within the country. it's a difficult task. no developing country has achieved it. we think that spoken to cubans who support the revolution. i'm not talking about opponents who, who, who say that they want to, to return to a capitalist society. but even people who support a socialist since they tell me that they believe that this country needs to open up more and be more pluralistic, both ideologically and economically. i wouldn't disagree with that. our government
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is clear, the government is convinced that we need to open the economy and our constitution, the one we adopted in 2019 offers out of fortunate on different actors of the economy. we're doing a step by step basis, incorporating new actors. you must have read or one must have seen that there is a deal small, medium size enterprises that have the established in cuba in the past 6 months or 2000 of them. those were actors or do they exist in cuba? the pass and the relationship between those which are private, small, and medium size enterprise, but also state owned. the relationship between them has to grow, has to be regulated a framework the blueprint needs to be established for them to grow. but that doesn't stop us. and we also believe that we need more discussion and more open discussion. thank you by different sectors of society, of different generations. and we said that it has been done. what we're not ready to do is to sacrifice
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a social system in cuba. we're not ready to do is to give an opening for those who want to sabotage the system that for cubans, insures independence, social justice, and the possibility of our country to give opportunities to all. not just for the few and a system that protects cuba from the control of transnational corporations. and what happens in the government, which is a problem that you face all over the world, including our region, going back to the pressures of the united states government, the embargo, the sanctions, and possibly the exclusion from the summit of the americas. one could argue the cuba hasn't made a very easy for the by did ministration, either to, to ease some of those sanctions. would your government consider, for example, giving an amnesty to some of those people who were incarcerated after the uprising in july last year. it's a symbol, it would be strange for the,
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by an administration to claim that cuba has not been helpful. or even the u. s. government unilaterally stopped implementing the migratory agreements. the u. s. government unilaterally has imposed over 240 worse measures against cube. some of them very drastic, like trying to deprive cuba from the supply of oil interrupting remitted is that are needed by the people stop title 3 or of health burden. persecuting governments, and pressuring governments that accept you medical cooperation. all of this has been done unilaterally, on the basis of false pretenses proclaim by the trump administration. the current government does not repeat or does not give credit to any of those pretext, used by the trump administration. yet it continues to apply the same policy. if all
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these actions were absolutely unilateral, why would it be on curious side to try to make concessions for us to do the correct thing? the policy of the us against job in economic turns today is nothing short of criminal . it's a criminal policy to punish the livelihood of people during cove it. as a result of that policy, many people died that should not have died because we had the medical capability on normal conditions to face that reality. many people die, they should not a day, not only of cobra, but of all other chronic diseases. i would say, so why would cuba have to make concessions for us to stop applying a policy that is criminal? and that is clearly unfair. what if, for example, donald trump would to be reelected? it's not as far fetched as it may sound right now. what is cute we're going to do then? it's a reality that we face and we'll continue to do what we're doing. what's the
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difference between donald trump and joe biden, for cuba today? asked the people of cuba industry. if there is a difference between donald trump and jewel bite, for them to say, perhaps, but it record numbers of your citizens are leaving the country. they are tired, they've been hearing for 61 years that they have to resist fatherland or death. some people say it's just too long to wait. it's severe, unfair situation. but is it correct? if you look at the nature and the origin of the policy united states against cuba is as to make life is bearable if possible, to create a situation of want. so that people rebel against the government. is that correct? is that right? we won't change the policy of the united states against cuba. nothing that we do, nothing that we do will change the policy. it's written in law. it's in the helms burton law. it is a law or the land with united states. no amnesty, no action taken by q was going to change that. it is
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a unilateral position of the u. s. government based on the power is and might, is right, and q, but cannot change that regardless of what we do. you're sure about that. i'm sure about that. there's won't be any change in the us, regardless of what cuba does. history has shown that short of a more pluralistic a political system like multi party system. and it says, i just in the interest of united states, some of the best allies are the united states, are flavin violators of human rights. totally and democratic some of the best allies. there's no record. there's no record today and there's no record in history that human rights pluralistic society or democracy are truly a priority of the u. s. government. there is no record to support that notion whatsoever. finally, i'd like to ask you, what would you say to present invite and if you had him on the phone right now, about the fact that he doesn't want to invite cuba to the summit of the americas.
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when that was one of the things that the vast majority of the countries of the region fought for for so many years, the i would say, i doubt that he would speak with me. but i would say that if you're going to call it a summit, you can call our summit of a part of the america. you cannot cali some of the america. if you guys could some, you should not fear having frank dialog, even when there are differences. and there are differences in the region, and there are problems, immense problems or regions, but the countries need to talk about countries, the region are claiming that'd be an inclusive summit. and that cuba being that you should pay attention to it. mister finance is the quasi of thank you for talking 12 with as the final 3 places at the feet,
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