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no, not a be of them. with an honest with me, most of us the new for those. and we said at the home and a reseller to what the hell that the put to be with me a lot different from the yard obama possible. but when i know you're the one i know a
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shooting, avita philistine i lose ah, ah hi, i'm for me. ok to dallas dream. el salvador is now in the 3rd month of a state of exception. that's a package of emergency laws aimed at tackling gang violence. but while the government believes it is bringing gangs under control, human rights group,
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say innocent people are being targeted by police. we look at how the state of exception is changing out salvatore. ah, in helping us unpack the current state of the state of exception. we have tamara, daniel to yana. so good to have all of you here on the stream camera. please introduce yourself collodion, who you all what you do. hello. thank you for having me. my name, as i said, to the mac, is acting director at human rights watch. danielle, great to have you on the stream. please introduce yourself to stream audience. hi, i'm going, you know i'm an independent journalist of salvatore heritage. it's a happy entity on a welcome to the stream, cheese introduce yourself, ty, international dance. good to see again. so i mean, thanks for having me and good company. we've done it on tomorrow to central america analyst at international crisis group. all right, looking forward to analysis. all right, do you have analysis?
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you have questions, comments for like not very welcome to be part of today. show. put your thoughts into the comments section and then join the discussion. daniel, i'm just looking at a few of our areas headlines from earlier this year from spring time in the northern hemisphere. i'm looking at our salvador declare state of emergency off the gang killings that was in march. and then more recently, 3rd and gang kicking spurts, fear uncertainty in el salvador. one more headline of salvatore extends state of emergency amid gang crackdown. you have been reporting on gangs in el salvador for so many years. did you know that once the president had said, we are going to go to war with gaggs? we are cracking down that this was inevitable. this was going to happen. yes, because president naval jelly has always pursued a militaristic plan. he one time storm congress and february 2020. when he 1st started as president, he stormed congress, asking for them to, you know,
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increase the military budget because he has always wanted to sort of use the gang war as an excuse to militarize the country. and you know, the game wars that knew it didn't start with has been many presidents before him. i've tried to tackle this problem and have also tried to do a gang war, so he's not doing anything quite original. it's part of southern politics, gangs, and violence are fortunate part of life, and salvador is a big issue, but the way he is going about it is causing a lot of concern. a lot of human rights abuses are being alleged. and yeah, it's, it is, it is concerning for a lot of us who are salvadorans, who have family back and saga were trans national people. and so what happens in saga are as a direct effect out here because you know, that's a lot of the migration waves have been because of his gang violence for decades. tissue. and i'm just wondering if he could summarize some of these emergency
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matches that have been in place temporarily since march. well, thanks for me. i'm actually, i mean if i can just jump in on. daniel's comment. i think definitely the law enforcement beat of the security policy, which wasn't trained in the plan that was really never known to the public which is called to return control plan was an important one. but it is actually true. and i think we should recognize that there's also part of this of these policy, which is based on community intervention, the building of so called cubes, which are basically laser centers for to be the space for the young through emerging allies communities to train, to learn to play and so there's been a double face that the government has been using in the new art and you are adding to the fact that in parallel as investigation as we basically in
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2020, still already ad warned or that this could be, are going and then in the fall, found out with more evidence, they work on their station with the gang going on to make a shape basically day reduction of the size. and that's actually what led apparently to these spiking killings in march. we the $87.00 people killed in a span of a 3 days when the average was like one or 2 per day. and which led the government to respond with these clamp down, which includes as we're asking the, the temporary attentions time from $72.00 to be extended from 72 hours to 15 days, the suspension of the law, right? legal defense basically to the freedom of assembly. and was accompanied also by legal reforms to increase the sentences for belonging to just belonging to gangs and sent trying underage people as adults and
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introducing, also sort of a gag low against the meet any media who spread any. so ross ganga originated message we create on site. i a tom, i'm just looking at the, the twitter feed of el presidente. and that says present typically, and i'm using google translate. so if this doesn't quite translating you speak spanish, apologies for that. but this is what the president was saying, a just a few months ago. message to the gangs, because of your actions now your home boys won't be able to see a ray of sunshine. i am wondering this impact of cracking down on the gangs having emergency message emergency laws. what has that done to the people of el salvador? are they now safer than they were a few months ago? what i would say is that violence brings more violence. and what we're seeing with this state of emergency, and the way it's lamented is that the government has use these excessive laws. i
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would add, you know, kind of talked about under age. we have here and now long that allow authorities to go after kids as young as 12 years old, which is an important details. but you know, when implementing these laws, what the authorities have done is detain more than 30000 b. no, they just retained them on the streets and their houses. they took them arbitrarily arresting them, you know, in many cases showing and the evidence that they had to to you know, that is clearly not the basis of a thorough criminal investigation. so you really don't know who they're run, rounding up and research together with local group shows that they're rounding up innocent people. you're being arbitrarily detained or being subjected to short term, detentions that amount to short term enforce disappearances. because the last time they are seen it when they are taken by authorities and then you see mothers
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sisters waiting, trying to get information about the whereabouts of their loved ones outside detention centers. and they deny the whereabouts. and then the other very, very difficult issue that we've been documenting is depth and custody people who get to the prospect that is with fines being beaten, coming from areas where they were subject to government authorities like prison. and then they die in very delicate circumstances. so what we're seeing is an abusive implementation of the laws that the sienna was talking about. in clear violation of human rights on times, the dorians do, i have to say, and this is something we do need to talk about that despite of what we have been saying will can remain tremendously popular. ah, that's interesting. that's very interesting. let me, let me to stay on if, if i may. so i'm just gonna jump in just for a moment because i want to show our audience scenes of what it is like some of the
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families outside of detention centers. so i'm gonna bring in elizabeth and ophelia, and they can tell their own stories, have a listen, have a look. you know awful painful because i don't sleep and i don't eat knowing that my son is suffering. look, they are making a mess in here. they don't say anything. they don't say anything on television. they don't publish anything in the newspapers. yesterday when i came, we saw a guy released from prison. his forehead was all beaten. he and montague, you will hear he sleep, lying on the floor suffering for our family. we love my husband and we want to have him in our house. we don't want him to be suffering. we suffer, and he suffers. and you can see that line of family hills just standing outside a detention safe as a waiting area. we spoke to michael paba case, assistant petite professor of political science at the virginia commonwealth university. and this is what he told us about this detention center. and then on
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the left, itsyana come right back into the conversation. his michael locking up tens of thousands of low level and also imaginary criminals gives the illusion of law and order and is popular with the public. but effectively, all this does is it over to start the prisons which were already at 240 percent assay and controlled by the gas. there's only strengthens the gangs at least more gang violence. which in turn justifies the government's heavy handed approach in a vicious circle of decreasing security and increasing authoritarianism. b civic national police most outdoor has improbably estimate. number of people tied to gangs to be 500000. which effectively means that any young man in a solid or is subject to indiscriminate arrest to shaneka had precisely, well, i think my micro raise their very good points. and also, i think it's very concerning to look at the increasing amount of that's in jails
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because they're a direct product of this massacre summation when you double up the prison population. just imagine 2 percent of the little probably the population in a similar is helping locked up is not locked up. so one every 50 people basically. and if you mix up as you might, i was rightly mentioning people. we know membership basically home a relationship with gangs, but just on the suspicion that they might be with gangs, you mix up them with active members. current one because many of them are being rounded up. it must not be ruled out. and former gang members, people who had desist it as left the gang life even years ago. some of them raising their ta twos or crossing them, which is basically death sentence on their next by the same former peers of the gangs. and you put them in the st jails. we don't know if in the same cells because
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the information going in jails are becoming a black box, not only for relatives but for. ready overall, national and international agencies trying to look at these issues. well, the risk that you know, this creates, you know, and sparks mutinies or targeted killings is enormous. danny, what can you tell us about your conditions in impressive detention centers now? so el salvador is, you know, a product of the us interventions since the civil war us intervention us politics has shaped oh, server server is the country after united states with the most incarcerated population. and it just makes no sense in terms of solving the actual issue. i also think it's important to talk about the rhetoric that he is, you know, say he's calling these innocent kids. a lot of them are kids terrorists. he said, this is the head of congress not to go through,
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has called this gate war and all out fight against terrorist. so he's using this very device in the language, but back to your point on the jails. they're very and you may conditions. president kelly has gone on twitter, bragging about the fact that he is rationing or limiting their food, you know, who knows what goes on there in terms of like, you know, he could be starving people. there have been, that's already in these jails since the gang sweep and it's, it's really sad because the average salvador and would rather people die in jail that they think are, you know, these boogeyman, these bad people, if it means to keep the homicide rate down. so some people think it's a great trade off, but you know, he's very much, you know, playing with the fact that he has a big propaganda machine. to basically criminalize these people without any due process and, and the public imagination is calling the terrorists it may fit, you know, bragging that more than 25000 terrorists have been captured at that point. and it's,
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it's like what terrorists doesn't really describe anything. it's sort of just a very low return, especially some of these people haven't even committed crimes. other than being, you know, poor working class, i think a big re, a big thing is also that he's talking. he is going for the poor working class families, racialized people and soccer ball. people who may not have someone that can build them out as you saw those mothers and, and why, you know, outside jails. i'll try to get there. members, you know, they don't have any other recourse but to go outside and protest and that's what i'm trying to do. i think just an important point to confirm and what you're saying . and i completely agree is, you know, let's take a step back and look at what is happening and there are, and what has happened over the past couple of years since? because it's not a coincidence that we're talking about the president and his daughter account because he's been governing through twitter. and you know, he's been able to do that because he's also dismantling at an alarming speed and
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democrat act institutions and the country. you know what we were earlier talking about that incident in which he went with the military into the 70. but then with the majority in the assembly, he's been able to adopt laws replace the attorney general man, hundreds of lower court judges and prosecutors. and he's doing the work of independent joiner than human rights defenders. much harsher and much riskier palmer. so you were mentioning that tweet, talking about homeboys, tweets about us, about a nice large quantity homeboys. right. and you know, i don't live in a sun bed or there are very brave people doing work. featuring enormous challenges living there every day. i come, i want to put a couple of things to you. and that's the castro is the president of our salvador and legislative legislative emberly. he believes that this state
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of emergency that l salvador is in right now. it's going very well. let's have anything that have a look. fortunately that day, the godaddy. 8 of every 10 selma dorians approve of the state of emergency. and we can say 8 of every 10 salvadorans perceived the improvement insecurity within their communities. after the insecurity provoked by the gangs, by those terrors group on the ice, they is that is that tamara is going well according to the government. look, i think that's what i was mentioning at the beginning when i was saying like tough lumping completely. he's extremely popular and i'm going to be in with that, and it just makes, you know, the work of highlighting the problems that affect people who are suffering these policies much more important, right? that's the whole point of democracy. is like, you know, you will have certain limits that you can't trespass regardless of what the
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majority threats. and you know, i would ask, you know, let's go and take those 8 deeper and ask them a question after they took away their time and have them, it's been and that person has been locked up in. and it's an innocent person, right? so, you know, we need to talk about people, right? and it doesn't matter if it's one or 2 or 100, which is the case center standard or, you know, we are receiving 100 those cases of people who name their loved ones who are arbitrarily to okay, what are, what is going on gated fiona to feel and i want to show you something on my laptop . this is the precedence official website. because we did reach out to the president's office to official sources, to see if they would come on the program. we got a no and no response. but let me show you here on the couch, be a security. what the information is that they're sharing with the public. 2 months
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of the murder regime authorities of captured more than $5000.00 women linked to gangs, salvadorans perceived, dropping crime off the execution of the territorial control plan. and the exception regime. war against gangs carried out by the government exceeds 37000 captured salvatore and still safer thanks to the measures implemented by the government, dismantle criminal structures. and so it goes on lots of positive news about the emergency message kitriana. the government is feeling one thing you, danielle tamara. tell me something completely different. why? well, i wouldn't say that it's totally different in the sense that i recognize them deniable . i think that the pressure that the government is putting on gangs as made them go into these array. basically, a lot of gang members are fleeing the country. a lot of king members i've actually been apprehended and all of gang members are hiding in the mountains in the reverse,
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even in the years, some people from local communities told us this is olivia eating. somehow they live in some communities where of course subjected to extortion and the persistent threat of gangs. the problem that we see is that this is temporary, and of course there's being also a lack of response, a violent response, if you want from gangs at the moment and with may seeing the least amount the record it amount of homicides in the countries. recent history over the last 3 decades, there's a cavity up there that we would like to raise that, which is that gang members or let's get members dying in shootouts with the police are not being counting counted anymore in the desktop, which is extremely concerning in terms of transparency and trying to, to keep track of the, of the all figures. but if we sum up the gang members died in english,
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shootouts and the sides reported we arrived to around 30 homicides in one month. remember that this country was used to have them like 330 on the sides in one day, how many years ago. so there is some, some achievement in that regard and this is translate into the public's perception . the problem with that is that thesis on the temporary and as we are displaying and flagging, this is going to affect more and more people in on just way. and that's something that is just on justifiable. ok. so earlier we spoke to jennifer, who want to share this full with us, and then daniel, going to come to you because we have questions on youtube. and i want you to also very swiftly, if you're able to his jennifer the government is using the commonality to arbitrarily indefinitely to team does not hundreds of individual, mostly young man. this is causing harm and damage to communities, already affected by violence and instability. it is putting human rights defenders,
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mostly women at risk, as it is the human rights defenders and women are holding digital outside attention centers seeking information about to change loved ones and demanding due process. this is causing repairable damage, and harm is increasing fear and increasing violence. it is not producing peace and security. daniel, i'm going to fire and you have comments that you asked as quickly as you can. and she says, what are the benefits of these new laws? you can be honest, go ahead, daniel, go ahead. it's hard to know what the benefits are. these new laws because president kelly is not being transparent. he's not transparent with this whole big coin law where he's trying to justify the country for tech rose. he hasn't been transparent about the gang problem because he hasn't even extradited, you know, gang members of the us have, have labeled actual terrorists. so it's really hard to, to, you know,
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it's really hard to take their word for and to really, you know, we'll see the long term effects. alright, years to come, once we study what's actually going on. but it's hard to tell. this might be related because one of our peers wants to talk about how much has klein been reduced to y'all to kind of touched on this. they seem to be few homicides than they were a few months ago. daniel. i mean, just like you said, the transparency thing, you know, they're not counting certain types of crimes that the police commit. this is, you know, the police have all kinds of immunity. we don't know what kind of crimes their committee because they're obviously committed human rights abuses in these jails. but it's, it we, we can't just take the government word on it. they don't even give interviews to the press. and as you all reached out, they didn't rebate didn't respond kindly to that. so yeah, it's almost a wait and see like, you know, the official narrative is one thing, but we will salvadorans will live with the consequences for years to come. i want to go to one more voice and bring erica into the conversation because what she
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points to is. so what should be the policy to address gang violence in el salvador . this is erica say, and then guess i'd like your very swift response. his erica, in june 2019, or few weeks after she took coffee's. i personally met with them. okay. she committed to bring human rights to the center of these policies. 3 years later he has broke, and keith promised with the excuse of punishing guy. remember, presley them careless administration? he's created a perfect of store without addressing the cost of 5 minutes marking the life community. so now it's stuck between the violence created by criminal gangs and the human rights abuses committed by v o. storage. we are calling a precedent, look at us government to stop human rights violations until address a comprehensive policy security policy that protect the human rights of people the
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mail. or if you have a suggestion for what that policy should look like to see on a, in a sentence, what would it be for el salvador rehabilitation or integration? and you have dozens, i mean, at least thousands, if possibly dozens of thousands of gang members were being jail. and we're been in, you know, in and out, gangs for years. and that really want to leave the current life and the but they're not given an any possibility that there's no rehabilitation law for the government . they will always remain a gang member and their, their possible home them back for the rest of their lives. this is not going to sold the gang issued, but just actually created the country ethics or pushing these people one out, back into the gang. you know, great. alright than you, i mean the last 30 seconds of the show as somebody who's family is full mouth salvador, what would your family want in a sentence?
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the children about the children, like they need program social program, so they don't go down this path, but it's all going towards military. it's all going towards big point. the children are sort of missing now and they're the future of those salvador and they're being targeted as 12 year old. daniel itsyana, tamara. you to comment us thanks for being part of the day shy. appreciate you. ah, ah. a as the final 3 places at the 5th, a will couple decided will life from the playoffs will gather reaction from across
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