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and could it escalate into a full blown war between the 2 names? this is inside story. ah. hello and welcome to the program. i'm hammer, jim jim, more than 25 years after the 1st congo war, the democratic republic of congo and rwanda are once again engaged in dispute. the central african neighbors have accused each other a firing rockets across their shared border, including a strike that killed 2 congo least children. this seems to have been triggered by fighting between the m 23 rebel group and state forces in the east. both congo and the united nations have accused were wanda of supporting the m $23.00 movement. the u. n. has urged all parties to immediately cease all forms of violence. the region
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doesn't need a new crisis. let's keep the channels of dialogue open at all levels, including at the community level and help preserve the progress achieve in the recent years. thanks to the various cooperation mechanisms, the march 23rd movement or him 23 is also known as the congo leaves revolutionary army. it's a rebel military group based in eastern areas of the democratic republic of congo, mainly in the province of north keybo. its leadership is made up of members of the 2. it's the ethnic group. they say they're aim is to fight enemy groups founded by hutus federal wanda. after the 1994 genocide, the rebels merged with the congo. these army under a peace deal signed on march 23rd, 2009. but in 2012 they said the deal had not been upheld and broke away. naming their group the march 23rd movement. the. all right, let's go ahead and bring in our guests. in accra, compiling was heavily as
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a researcher at the center for research on the congo kinshasa in kigali, needing about whom lisa is a political commentator in til berg the netherlands felix, near the hinder, is a researcher focusing on conflict, peace and justice in the great lakes region, a warm welcome to you all, and thank you so much for joining us today on inside story kamali. let me start with you today. what's behind this new round of violence? i saw taylor will be on that for almost 6 long now. they have been in our pricing of the $23.00 in the east by the not the only munition group activity in the east. so it's very hard to know. we do know that they have been distinguished and taking place in a row, be we've many militia groups in the r c to come up with some resolution for piece of stability for the east, something organized but a president, kenya. and during this period, for some strange reasons, the m $23.00 has started
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a campaign to attack un peacekeepers and also the communities forces in specific areas. and that has continue. and then we notice that many to military power has increased tremendously by having power to attack at night by having weapons that you have before, which has caused the quality of government to states. and there is tacit support of our commerce neighbors. particular run that to them $23.00. so as i can say, i can say no, i don't really know why the tax has taken place at this present time, but it is a destabilizing for a moment. i can probably, if i could just follow up with you, you mentioned that there are talks or negotiations going on between different groups right now. first of all, how many groups are we talking about in secondly, any indications on how those top are going. i mean, those are the militia groups. some numbers take it up to a 100 minister group there, but you have to understand even would,
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that actually means a group may have 20 rebels, the force archipello get territory, and they are called the federal rebel group. but the way to look at the groups in the eastern part of congo is that you have groups that are supported by comb with neighbors, particularly run than uganda. and you do have a local rebels was either protecting the territorial, interacts again to elicit trailer minerals. but the essence of that is suspension. 96 has no not the stability mainly because. ready of the interference of each member is run than the uganda continues explicitly to support the rubber groups in the east coast of the february of the cornwall. yes, i can say by the 100 of them, but it doesn't mean much. why didn't they go shooting? was just joined the east africa community, the seem to be a political will in the part of kenya to see how can we can be stabilized,
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maybe to bring about the potential of the congo for the africa community. and as i said, now you're in a row, be they've been really, really pushing hard to business, but military and negotiation as being for, rub groups to pull down their arms, be at the grid in the society are in the military. and yes and concluded longboarding at the moment, gets it to, i want to ask you about how you see things from your vantage point there. in kigali, why our attention is escalating now. those people are surprised and confused by 2 things to do differently. what i'm 23 re much so i'd like to be at the be, or the me being one that just can, you know people will be limited for just under can you?
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but they need that. we have been, you know, 5 years and 5 years, 5 years in a big growth and come to into the without being attacked. and so everybody was aware of the big m, $23.00 in what for what i did now when they run the what's the price point? seeing that the running said that they will do that means they must be there must be supported by rhonda. i think that was one of the top anthony. but what do you see often do not make a difference between people speaking, rhonda india and one of them. and these are going to be one of the things that they're demanding. i understand the country and that will be released. so every time they are talking because the effect that they look like one,
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the people who included that when they and saw that it said that positions were followed by a measure we had there. now land one there that was meant that was, was license was suspended for ambassador was someone's to be to, to receive letter. and so that was in itself. and it wasn't great, but it was already, it was, it was okay with that. because the, you know, french should be something your for style when you worked with broke. but the problem is that ordering these sightings now the, the, as he has been shaming rwandan territory. and theater is of kaniggy, which is the cause of the idea, the anti sing. now in general, and then we'll follow the of the rwandan country, which is a very small country desk booklet is
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a bomb that falls under run into too much more diverse effects done. you know, the things that have been with us, or just one of kilometer from, from where they are. so rather is not like school rather his junior vulnerable to any of you know, they couldn't do otherwise. surely when it's petition, can you use a place where we have to get it? i'm sorry, i'm sorry to interrupt you, let me get back to that point. you're making just a couple of minutes of felix. i want to ask you about your opinion on on. if all this tension that is escalating right now could actually spill over into a full blown war between the neighbors and, and how big a fear is there right now of escalation. and what would that mean for the region i live out is my reading of the situation is that there are serious spears that this kind of skeleton to represent a world given the nature or for example,
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that if the accusations are going from different sides on the given day, the dynamics or the narratives and special also that it kind of the flames that i need knitting, that the media, particularly social media and sports. politicians are reacting also towards all of that. oh, i think the threat is realistic. i mean, we know now with the fighting and when i got a report reports to are occupied by the m. 23. anything can happen from there. i'm with of course, my understanding now from what i can read on social media subject verifications, a lot of comedies, sort of just having crossed again with all needed caveats into uganda. hello can help him out. but one would really hope that sir, all actors of good will from the original i was like a non so on and international. interveners probably need to do something to avoid
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that ex escalation. rather than that, it looks like we are quite in a dentist. they're starting to get a t a. the african union is launched efforts to try and mediate this crisis between kinshasa and kick. golly, haven't had any progress been made? well, no, not really unfortunate enough progress has been made because the negotiations have to be based on facts and evidence. and we have what we call an extended strength verification mechanism that he's been losing impose and did the other not to believe. i mean, for example, the vs. these other month that one day supporting him $23.00. in spite of any independently verifiable facts they used, you know, they accepted the see the efficient and even if you, the vision about that means they're disappointed by rhonda, but they don't. verification mechanism has not established that so and it was usually go to school because with him to the 3 comes from rhonda,
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uganda would confirm that in tennessee actually come from uganda, but yes, you would busy that it comes from rhonda, even though there is no if there's that, there's the internal putting people dynamics of the d s. c. that makes it easy to pointing out, rhonda, which has nothing to do with that. it's going to leave internal affairs, which then makes it difficult for the call. what is government to do? own is the open negotiations because they have to please their own internal principal question. and so, and get it a, i mean if you're saying that there is a mechanism, but it sounds to me like you're also saying that that mechanism really can't function it in an appropriate way. right now, i mean, 1st of all, let me ask you, what are rwanda's immediate concerns and how then can things actually start being de escalated. though the mechanism actually equals schools will function very well under the bottom edge of the international commission for the graphics region. we
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have make it more than 10 countries, they faction, they do provide reports one frequent basis. in fact, what they're saying right now is that yes, the d s. e 's shaylee ones and they run into 3. none of these international independence mechanisms are saying that the one that is supporting diaz, which is why there's no country in the world that is condemning rwanda was a putting him to the people simply because there's like there's of such, such an addition on india is making that image. now, how can he get b, b, s got it one. it can be a good, a good evening. the, as he is capable of dealing with internal problems by negotiating with his own devereux groups. that in my opinion, there will be able to defeats military. but that's an internal d. as each number 2, we are worried about 2 scenes as randoms. one,
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they won't run the repeatedly. when it won't kaniggy you have wanting the home to mountain guerrillas. this is critical to us because what is you zip? 30 percent of our national in car, where he won't be silly, you won't be very busy with region we the focus thrown population is very dangerous for us. we cannot. that's number 2, number 3, and the last point that worries of a match. now the government army of the yeah. you have to be on the bottom. you put that in which is the wrong impression of run that for my people. go to the gym. now they're breaking national. i'm going to get the end of the need to now they do things supported by them. one is which is that you will not imagine anyone for that is called the generals. they've been
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treated on a daily basis. if you become something that it can bother, you heard get to do their bring up the role that the you in is playing. and i want to ask you about that. i mean, the, you in is now urging all parties involved in the growing tensions between kinshasa golly, to immediately seize all forms of violence in these border regions between wanda and d. r. c. from your perspective, are there immediate steps that can be taken to ease the tensions and is the you in, in any way effective in all this of 1st react rebecca correction. they have been countries and situations that have actually put pressure around that to stop supporting rebel interfering even the last that my coming from the secretary general sports person. i clearly stated indirectly stated that the
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outside forces number of countries will stop supporting the m 23. i may not be explicitly saying run that, but we know what that refers to when he says upside. so many initial has done so specific for the united nation. the united nation depends. the not in the shop is keeping force if they depend on the un security council, particularly the political will of the council to and the crisis in the coma for the past 25 years. we have seen numerous times that the political will as last one we are asked why no will is pretty clearly. gene missions in the security council was playing cover for rhonda, specifically the united states and the united kingdom. i mean, some of you may know that run days about to receive over the $50000000.00 for receiving refugees from the u. k. so that you can see everything to do. we're making sure that if l i on the african continent that love, you know, held into account same for the united states. but concretely what we bring about
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piecing cocoa, i think we must be very general and even honest, where we have this discussion about the r c because we speaking about it as the m 23 or before. that's just a peer. but it's been going on for 25 years. when you're talking about the m $23.00 is connected to the c and p. when you're talking about the c and d, p is connected to the r c d y, you are talking to the, our city is calling the, to the f d f. so i'm just throw some acronyms there. what are these names? those are the rebel group that exist in the core suspension of the 6. how do i know that the leader of the so called m 23? so tiny, my king who has arrest warrant from what his government was not bother. it travels in uganda. all the time. also anthony 3 rebels, we've arrest why it was living in one and they have not be extradited to the r c.
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they are all have been implicated in the wash in the car. the have taken the lives of millions and even lately the person spoke before me mentioned, there was shelling of you, sidney and kaniggy around there was actually seek. you felt to say that just yesterday there was a bomb being of a school in the d. r. c. by the run military, that shell, the bomb a school where is 60 and a 70 roy's by. so for piece of stability to take up to the come into the region. the honest, why do we have corporate is very simple. is that this w social or the, or seem to get control of congress wealth using proxy, rubber militias. in this case, you're discussing them 23, felix, you know, you heard kamali there, talk about the stabilisation. so i want to ask you, i mean,
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is there an actual community doing enough to try to put pressure when it comes to the situation and, and are we going to see the international community step in to help the escalade things? i mean, i can always look on probably think that there will be some kind of background channels and a lot of talks, and i love it, let's say dramatic kind of activity around trying to find a solution i list of the interstate level under is not to the original it means change has been very much present in the dossier. i would expect not reflectance on yonder and under and so on to be able to, to be very much involved in trying to find a solution that that being said, i guess we'll never have the final let say last. the solution on this, we really tried to look at the depth of what are the issues are, are they will by failure. couple already just talked about to the, you know, the acronyms on by rochester to different movements. but we need to look at the
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phenomenon of m, m 23 as part of the bigger candle of problem with it. and yes, is our security on and present it. we're in is santiago in on the incidence on the, on the white a region. and we have to look at the history and the, that the tone of unresolved issues on these need to be broken down at different levels as well. there are issues which are at a very local level in north cable, specifically, and insult people specifically, for example, now we have to be only about intrinsic beach. but last year we had close enough to the same level of heat and debate about the hope that'll self give will wither with fighting, still very much on going there. so in saki was when we have quite a lot of local on result issues on these tend to have quite a big residence at the national level, against, strictly speaking, within the communities that landscape. and here we're talking about issues of identity, ethnicity, citizenship, control of lawns, and issues of power,
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including representation within our coding at the local level for it is and so on. part of the legacy of the belgian colonial systems in harrison already in the congo which successive post colonial administration has never really lived up to reckoning when or at least are organized as should be in order to reflect madana him. second, we need to look at that indeed at the regional level. so low call, national, personal regional pointing that out. many of those problems. for example, when you're talking about that a they, they, they identity issues when he rings most of it or the narrative, you have not iran emphasis rate on social media lists even wanted to stick to that space. m 23 doesn't exist. it's nothing but a cover for rhonda. in fact, there is no such thing as one to form everything about imaging. center 3 is wonder and i think that's is a very dangerous requisite to take that. are you sure? maybe that needs to be investigated around where m t m. it's $800.00. it's dr. is
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it supported or not? i think that's the work for all of those dreadful verification mechanism. i'm sure that in the coming a monson. yes, we'll get you and reports on that. we have this wrong phillips if i could, i'm sorry, i wrote but, but if i could, if i could follow up with you about a point that you're making there, i mean, you have a situation here. we're both d r c and or wanda, are accusing each other of supporting armed groups and, and even of launching cross border attacks. you know, we come back to this to, to this question of, are there actual mechanisms that exist that are able to investigate these claims and, and, and how are the facts established? we have, i mean for many as not, we have a group of experts on the g r c. that is meant always to investigate what happens in or out of the country every time. ah, he has produced tons of reports and so on on what goes on. but i mean,
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ripley, documenting is one thing. coming with options that are meant to resolve problems that i had in spite is another thing. and most of the time auction lacks, when it comes to resolving in a lossy way, some of the issues that i did, but i did different levels i was talking about. i keep insisting that are local issues that are domestic issues in that yes, there are regional issues and international. i didn't talk about national when you're talking about for example, the noise and so on. i'm sure that there are region interest in the commercial interests between the younger neighbors, but also the international probably even more impacts for international links. so all of those need to be ta called to and if you talk to one of those and you don't address the others, you can only postpone the problem, but you will be there that meet. all right, well we have run out of time, so we're going to have to leave the conversation there. thanks so much to all of our guests. come by, name was a bully, get a reading,
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