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and cut ties with new delhi b j, p suspended one member and expelled the other earlier this month. demonstrate to say that's not enough. the comments sparked outrage among indian muslims and were condemned by several was the majority countries hosing a diplomatic crisis. she, this is main labor union has gone on strike, demanding an increase in salaries and concessions on looming economic reforms. up to $3000000.00 members, a part of the power fortune is in general, labor union, and thousands held a rally in the capital tunis there, increasing pressure on president case, se ids government, which announced plans last week to cut its massive public wage bill and reduce food and energy subsidies emitter worsening economic crisis. so i had took on sweeping powers last year in one of his critics, of called a coo quick run, didn't catch up any time on our website. the address for that is our 0 dot com. ah,
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a reminder, the top stories are 0 out there has obtained an image of the bullet used to kill its journalist sharina work lay last month. experts say it's used in m for rifle, which is widely used by the israeli military. sharon was shot on the head by israeli forces while she was on assignment and jeanine, members of the international community have condemned her killing and continued to call for an investigation. and israeli police investigation is found that officers engaged in misconduct during sure. we now are closed funeral, but commanders who supervised the operation won't face serious punishment. that's according to israel's hereto. newspaper is ready, right? police pushed and beat warners almost causing pull bears to drop. the casket i read says the report found that police engaged in misconduct. but also said it was suitable for them to use violence, although they could have refrained from using clubs. former us vice president mike
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pence is former aides, have been testifying to the house of representatives committee looking into last year's attack on capitol hill. and i say, former president donald trump kept pressuring him to overturn the 2020 u. s. election results. despite pence telling him, he had no authority to do so. the panel chairs, as pence showed courage in resisting trump. the former president wanted pants to reject the votes, and eva declared crop the winner of sand. the boats back to the states to be counted again. my parents said no. he resisted the pressure. he knew it was the legal. he knew it was wrong. we are fortunate for mr. paines's courage. on january 6th, our democracy came dangerously close to catastrophe. i had to afore
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european countries visiting cave as say they're in favor of ukraine joining the e u. leaders of france, germany, italy, and romania met president border. ms. alecky and a show of solidarity grain has pushed for rapid succession to the european union since the russian invasion in february. there's the headlines, the stream is up next and looking ahead to the final round of columbia's presidential election on the back with more after that. i for now. oh, i was thinking to prison in 2000. i was 21 years old. the i just me of monitoring the 5 of my daughter. i did not care when parents are imprisoned, the government doesn't have any plans for the children lifted behind. for these children need, or they need show that they are searching for love. my question is to see that this
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student of prisoners are also given another chance to leave, like no more children because they're not to party to the crimes committed by their parents. when i finally get the place to build a home for this children and they see them become somebody uniform in the society fending for themselves, it will give me satisfaction. ah hi, anthony ok, thanks for watching the stream. today we are going to be focusing on the presidential run off elections in columbia. it's so important that some of us day has been postponed for a week. instead, on june, the 19th colombians will get to pick their new president. we will take an in depth look at the candidates and if you have questions, youtube is right here. put your comments or questions in here. be part of today's
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show. ah, i'm looking forward to the analyses that we're going to get from elizabeth and lauren silvan and welcome all t the stream. elizabeth, please tell everybody who you are and what you do. grantsville here with you today . my name is elizabeth dickinson. i'm the senior analyst for columbia international crisis group. we work on armed conflict and prevention of conflict. it to had he had a lauer welcome, please introduce yourself to our global audience. i thank you for having me. my name is larry campbell. i am an assisted professor in political science at the university of utah. i study democratic backsliding in latin america in particular in columbia, which is my home country. all right, good to have you on savannah. welcome. please introduce yourself to our stream view us. hello ivana. can you hear us? hi savanna. i will get back to savannah in a moment. so to wanna go ahead,
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introduce yourself. ah, i that dramatic pause like combat. so my name is marta and i work for control risks . i am the senior analyst from the team, a global risk analysis, and i am in charge and there's a list in colombian, politics. all right, was worth the wait, thanks, giovanna. all right, let's start out with i to presidential candidates. they appear to be quite different. let's start out with gustavo petro at. we've got a couple of facts here. elizabeth, help us understand. gustavo, what kind of candidate is he? is a left, a senator is a former m 19 member, which is an armed group. 3 time presidential candidate is full time, a charm? elizabeth? more? yes. so pictures of the interesting character because he sort of come to embody it the, the political left here in columbia. a, partly because he's just been such
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a player for such a long time because of his outspoken role as a, as a senator, because of his time marable, of thought. it, but this time around is, is probably that the moment when he has the best chance, at least according to the pull so far, to become the president of columbia. and in fact, if you were to do so, it would be the 1st time in really over half a century that columbia would have a left leading president. so this is really a watershed moment. and i think what petro has been able to do successfully 2 things. first, he has been it really, the candidate who has most successfully, let's say, read the post of frustration among everyday clemons. a concerns about daily life ability to pay their bills sort of to get ahead in life. there's a fascinating and an as were terrifying statistics from the city that it takes a 11 generations, it would take 11 generations for a child born in poverty in columbia to rise to the middle, the median income and sort of earning the middle. and he's been able to channel
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that frustration in a way that other candidates haven't been able to do. and i think that's what's given him the opportunity to, to come forward at this moment now. and let's look at his opponent together. so this is what i have about doe fo hernandez. so much more, but there's more information to come, i'm sure from you. so he's a business man, not just any kind of business, man. he is a millionaire. businessman, we're going to put the facts up there on the screen for you. what in so that you can see this as well. he is a full, a man as well. he's an independent candidate. so that means what does he stand for loud? well, what are his posts? yeah, that's, that's a hard question. he doesn't have much of a policy. he there will be would call and then they seligman candidate. he runs against politicians broadly speak and defined as evil. he runs in a and they corrupt in a campaign. he has claim he ones austerity. ah, by cutting both essential and what he thinks, i honest there jose state ah,
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ah entities he, he doesn't quite locate himself in the left, right. at spectrum in the way you would expect, normally he's more of a. yeah. well because they sell this meant, like he just runs against politicians. yeah. and he got tired and weak that way. very popular campaign i imagine because of politicians in columbia positions the world over a north nessie, particularly popular elizabeth, he's known as the tick tock candidate. and i'm going to show our audience some of his take talk so they understand exactly how he's campaigning. let's have a listen, let's have a look. ah, i learned a little before keith. what are gone? oh, come on. i'm about it about it a ah
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. ah, all right, so this is a genius digital team. what, how is this going down in columbia? people lapping up are they loving these take talks? is his message getting across is a strategy has successfully done is really channel this anti establishment feeling . there's a great frustration with this sort of closed a political class that hasn't allowed others to rise up through the system. and what it will does is be the embody that in his is social media campaign. he's refused to go to official debates and he's refused to do campaign events, which he describes a sort of orchestrated in, you know, it charades. and he's really actually, this is actually also allowed him to not take concrete positions, but rather to sort of ride this populace wave of anti establishment anti corruption rhetoric. he speaks to people in a way that they understand this is the person who grew up very much sort of from your bootstrap's type of upbringing, made himself a businessman and sort of of his,
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of his own. you know, hard work is how he would tell the story. and he speaks to people in a way that they can understand very is sort of dialectic st. conversation. now go ahead and say that he also has design. he has leveraged these master pre, by creating these whatsapp campaigns. so it works in a, in a multi level fashion. so he would use is what's up sort of delegates that would create their own messages advertising their campaign. but these are focused locally or regionally until they attract voters in a very pretty with very particular claims or promises that may not be the ones that the candidate has like the the, the center partners have like all sorts of liberty of proposing. what are the one? so says owner, what i'm, i'm, i want to have a look at petro and his summer, his campaign videos. and what i'm looking at is a more traditional style of campaigning. he has attempted to be present on 3 other
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occasions. let's throw that video so we can see how he's campaigning. but what i'm looking at when i see that video is his vice president. that is so interesting. let's have a look at that campaign video and talk me through how you see petros campaign. how has it gone? yes, let's take into account that, that her husband, campaigning for over 4 years or even longer. he, as a senator, has not stopped complaining one even day on his terms as in congress. and that is being very interesting because he has sort of take advantage of one of the most biggest social economic crisis that colombian has gone through. in the past couple of years, we went through very severe protest backing to not to 1019. and then again, in 2021 after the pandemic, actually makes things worse for people. and then he took advantage of that opportunity to actually say, ok, i am going to lead these practice. and i'm going to lead this, this civil unrest, and i'm gonna be the political face that he's gonna show some guidance on how we
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can make things different. and this is how he has been doing campaign. and what about and what you mentioned about his political formula and these women is being very interesting. she represents minorities in this country, not only because of her skins scrawled collar, but rather more morally, mostly because she has it in herself, lived through a very difficult time. she is a victim of the conflict herself, but so is dr. for brother will also experience some very difficult things in his life, so that competition in the column in politic stage is not that big of a deal. if you take into account that in the 1st round. and even before the 1st run, most of the candidates actually had experience themselves being victims of the conflict. but a france jamarcus has sort of raised that specific voice of women, of a women from race. and then she has became a very important in the political scenario in columbia,
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and she has been reflecting on her ideas on how to make things different for minorities. i would also, i would also add that she is not only, i mean, so it, not only has she experienced conflict and she comes from of a sort of a, a what we call low socioeconomic background. and these, she know she is, she's a black woman, which in columbia is a girl, aids anything else, you know, in a qualities, significantly worse if you're a black woman. and she comes from a, from a region that is significantly affected by violence and poverty. but older she, she's a community leader unorganized while she is grassroots, which is significantly different from what blows for and on. this is she actually has worked with this people. there are videos i, i don't, i don't know if you have them. but, you know, during the protest in 2020 or 21, she was there like, like side by side with the people in the streets until that makes her a very tract of grass roots. i'm sort of coordinator in figure inside petra's
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campaign. who and i would just wanted to link those with sort of the how you build a campaign for many years that has been campaigning for, for a year. and he has been a candidate for, for, i don't know, 16 years. i'm. but more importantly, in the past year, he has tried to fix the mistakes from the previous campaign. so he has built k a campaign that has operatives and has like these, these politicians that have been all over the dialectical a spectrum. right. and so, but to certain extent a has, has created sort of kind of these discomfort with, but almost mostly more, the more sort of radical faction of the left. all right, but as it market seats a perfect role there because she kind of sheet she, she assures people that, that he's for real to put it right. and you bring in a new voice into our conversation. this is dr. juliet z over. she's on the marie kerry research fellows at the university of oxford,
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and this is what she told us about the v p candidate that we just been talking about. let's have a look. let's have a listen. if not, the marcus becomes columbia next vice president on sunday, 2nd round elections. for many colombians. this will be the 1st time that they actually feel represented by someone who understands the real issues that are important to them in the country. for anthea is a woman, she's an afro colombian woman. she comes from a rural area and has a history of social activism, and she's experienced economic hardship. so while change isn't going to happen overnight, and real political change will definitely take time. what fancy represents is the opportunity to bring these real important issues lived by every day colombians, 2 of the decision making tables. and hopefully to bring about a real change that will impact people in their daily life. which ever candidate
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gets the presidency, they both have a v p as a running mate. so who's an afro colombian? so that is important and it's a change in terms of colombian politics as well for, for women. right? and also for africa, ambiance, to be on the fighting slate. now, one of the things that julia said was about every day issues for colombians. let's have a look at those every day issues. elizabeth, what do you think that colombians are going to be voting for? own gene, the 19th was critical. this is something that julia also said that i think is key is that really what color means are looking for right now? are someone who can channel their voice and that voice, overwhelming me. i can tell you from, you know, walking the streets of the process last year from going in the countryside and i'm speaking with communities. there is really a voice of desperation. there's a sense that this sort of daily life, traumas that column is, are living through, are invisible and forgotten among the political class. so last year,
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in the process, for example, i remember i was speaking to a young mother in cali who was in the streets for the 1st time ever attending a protest. and she said to me, my whole life has been living through an experience of economic desperation. conflict, you know, sexual abuse problems in accessing education. i live through all that without realizing that i should be golf. and what i think something critical happened during these put this last year, which is that they broke open that stigma about raising these issues in the political space. so what is this election about this election is about those issues finally rising to the surface and seeing if one candidate or another can convince colombia voters that they'll be able to successfully channel a response. now whether they'll be able to do so in reality, once elected is a whole nother question. but right now we're in a rhetorical game to capture this very deep frustration that runs through the veins of columbia. eli, we asked how solid men co,
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what are the most important issues that you would be voting on. and this is what she told us. coming from a country with a history of armed conflict and high levels of inequality. i expect the president committed to p, someone that understands the urgency of working on problems such as poverty. there are more than 21000000 colombians living with unmet basic any medication only 39 percent of students who go to high school then access higher education. corruption, 20 percent of colombians considered this to be the main problem to face political participation for women. it's also a challenge, only 30 percent of the new congress will be occupied by women. we need more and better representation at all levels and a precedent who understands leave the previous dimension and who has serious proposals to work on them. those are the drivers of my vote. he ivana you seeing the candidates really focusing on inequality. poverty is not part of their mandate . not really. i don't think that has been part of the main debate actually though
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that there are other things that have been sort of portrayed in the, to their attention not only of the debate but also of the media want is representation. but one, like the most important thing that i have been debating and that will, i will sort of took attention a completely east corruption. corruption has been in most of the polls that have been doing the, the pulse. there's in the last couple of years or even more strongly in the last couple of months. they have asked them is why is there more worry about? and the question that raises more attention is corruption. i think people are tired of corruption. people are just sort of saying that they need that we need a change, and this is why we're seeing a 2nd round between these 2 empty establishment candidates. and because rod for sort of took away that, that a rhetoric about how important it is to tackle corruption to fight corruption. and to change that stigma that the country has is that he has been gaining so much attention. i mean obviously has been r at a, a very successfully managing the communication and he's been very strategic on how
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t he has connect to people through social media specially tick tock. but i think that the big or the, the topic that he has raises the most is corruption. and that has raised some attention does, has connected to people. and that has been one of the most important things to urbana that they, if i let you know it says to them, let me just if, if i might just take a breath for a 2nd. this is what would rodolfo hernandez said about corruption, mrsa at the end of may just so that we can hear it in his own words. and this is one of his big campaign points. his have a little bit of a look ill, but i'll, lemme ill dancer columbia's problem it's terminal cancer is that politicians are robbing columbia by the ton. they are struggling and it's normal to keep stealing and continue treating us like useful idiots. let us not allow that in order to thoroughly break with that. on june 19th, we need to have a votes that exceeds 12000000 votes to really have a clear and forceful mandate in what you, what we're going to add. no,
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i was and it is interesting because he uses very simple words. he uses very simple, straightforward messages to connect with people. but also they are all the 2 main things that day to candidates agree with. one is to restart the relationship with venezuela, both trade and diplomatic relations. and the 2nd one is they both propose to have an eel and peace process right ahead after the jumping to the seat of president. so i think those are the 3 topics of date, sort of touch upon a constantly and have been touching upon in the, in the political company. all right, said can i can add and yes, go ahead. go ahead very, i just wanted to add and i think it's useful maybe to see a concrete example of why colombians are so frustrated with corruption in the res. last few years. we've seen several really high profile corruption cases that have been as sort of the most debased ninfa nefarious types of protein. you can imagine, for example m a school district giving children expired food bread as hard as
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a rock and it sort of inappropriate food. a, you know, for their, their school lunches that are funded by the government and stealing that money. we thought a minister steel money that was intended to create rule electrification and internet during the pandemic, so that children in the countryside could go to school. these are the types of corruptions scandals that comments are present in their mind while they're struggling with their day to day life. they see these politicians, this sort of elite, closed political class with the same families who have been in the, in the center and put them in politics for years. and this is what corruption means to them. and this is why this message gets home. and one other very short point because i think it's important also for something in that that was said earlier, which is it's important also to note what hasn't been in the debate for this campaign. and the most notable issue that has not been at the center of the debate is the piece agreement. 4 years ago the presidential election was decided based on a very pro, whereas campaign over whether or not the in the piece agreement should be even implemented. 4 years ago, at 5 years ago,
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it could be assigned to lease agreement with the largest rebel organization the far that ended half a century, a conflict with that left us 3. and 4 years ago, the debate was, should we implement this? is this the right agreement? what can i offer? you? can i ask you then? why is it not a conversation now? is it because the peace agreement has happened? which means that then take it off the table. it's not the most critical thing to be talking about security that now columbia can go, okay, now we can talk about education and services and inequality. we don't have to talk about our own insecurity. elizabeth, i'm gonna ask you to answer this in a 2nd because our audience want to talk to you as well. go ahead. yeah, i think you got me right for 50 years. it was taboo. all right, got these. all right, and is no longer to be on. right, exactly. let's go to you. cheap at just i want to make space for our audience who are torn to talk to you as well. all right, so carlos says,
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gustavo petro, my question for the panel is, what do you think about petros peace program? the columbia affected by violence through decades. so varner, very briefly there laura and then elizabeth savannah. go ahead. yes, she's been saying that she wants to implement the piece process, and i think that the difference between now and 4 years ago is that that the implementation is still the question, but that there is no longer need like to sign up his agreement. however, the eel is still some very important actors of needs to sign or is start up. his process was all been through has not been very of sort of a broad on saying he's ideas on how exactly he will manage to do on, you know, in approach with the eliana. let shadow response with low a thank use of on allow a go ahead. so i think the biggest, the biggest thing about this whole paper is that he, he, he understands the arm conflict and he has been supportive of the, of the piece process throughout one of the most damage is damaging, think of things of the last 4 years has been the government's lack of an impulse
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in pushing forward the peace agreement. they didn't destroy it. they didn't, you know, send the far back to live jungle but to some extent they just, they haven't pushed it forward and by not pushing forward then what we have had is the emergence of, of, and fragmentation of violence and lack of dealing with regional and local violence around lisa economies and sort of groups that are reforming because the gorman never of fulfill the promises because the government has not reached these places in columbia without, with like, institutions like justice or, or okay, or, you know, at schools. all right, okay, so you're pushing. got so many things to talk about in the units are really keen to talk to you as well. let me show you this. this is from gladys. got he shows us walked the up ballot, will look like on june the 19th. so you've got the 2 presidential candidates and then nessa a blank vote. this blank vote comes up in
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a conversation that we had with john freddie a little bit earlier on the options. ah, candidate, a candidate b o. blank felt his own funny these set of misinformation on colombian election. come the resume in just one word. for here, the mass of fake to it, but also all you, i'm the deal to promote conspiracy theories as well as gender and racial attack has achieved to create fear of both candidate based on fall huge maza boulders expressed to have feared to lose their countries in the hands of the or their motors in every polarized leash and on the other hand, for all the blog coming from all, depart, it has increased. di already existed, and truss on election institution provoke and,
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and the blind bode has been called a real concern in a very tight competition. i'm just looking at how we frail today's conversation, columbia well elections further defied. the country club here goes to the post to vote. for the next person on june, the 19th, we will be following that election very carefully on out his era or the way for the weekend. elizabeth, if you had to call the election, would you or would you just wait? one of the remarkable things about this, both from the very beginning is but it's the 1st time in many years that most kabbalah means can remember going to the polls and not having a clear idea of who walk about on top. and that's quite important because it's, it's the context of everything that we see of in front of us. and, you know, i think the 1st round of the election was really about one thing that they didn't give us a report. i'm gonna let you finish a sentence and then i'm gonna finish the shall go ahead. what i'm sorry.
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elizabeth laura? savannah. thank you so much for being part of the program. thanks you for your questions on the chief, and we will course follow the colombian presidential run of elections on july, the 19th on audio dot com and out to see where english see you next time taking ah, thumping was going to change. anything really change this is systemic violent that needs to be addressed at its core. we are in a race against po that barrier. no one faith until we are all that we're looking at the world as it is right now, not the world. we like it to be, the devil is always going to be in the details. the bottom line on al jazeera lou show me ah,
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