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lines of units directed at specifically at south korea. so this does seem to be a deliberately aimed to deliberately timed pressure tactic aimed at the administration at south korea, which is conservative. it has promised a much tough line with north korea, amid speculation that we are in for a much tougher, more confrontational period into korean relations. ah, and let's take you through some of the headlines here now 0. now, the thought of on government is appealing for international aid. after i've counted this time was hit by the deadliest earthquake in 20 years. at least 1500 people had been killed in the park and host province's c fees in the eastern province of parked here. where outside the patio regional hospital and just standing there, we've seen world food program trucks passing by. we know that the international
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rescue committee has started some efforts in terms of mobile health care and terms of tried to bring cash to the community. there's another young start up out of the united states called the i c lap, which is also hoping to begin distribution today or tomorrow. so there definitely are efforts, but it doesn't seem to be enough as of yet because one major issue yesterday was the inclement weather. which created road blocks is made a very difficult for the agencies to reach the area. now the final result in the south africa, so called states capture scans on present. so run the poser didn't do enough to stop years of corruption. the 3 year judicial commission investigated a string of allegations against his predecessor, jacob zoom. a ram opposed to served as a deputy between 20142019 british. foreign secretary lives trust is in turkey to discuss ways to free up ukraine's black. c ports to allow
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grain to be shipped out. she says the global grain crisis is urgent and needs to be solved within the next month. millions of people are stranded in ne india and bangladesh off the heavy rain cause the was flooding in decades. in india is ne, date of us. some rescue teams are struggling to move people to safety. at least 49 people have died since the flooding began. 2 weeks ago, as far as these and bangladesh of intensified efforts to deliver food and drinking water to millions of people, cut off by flooding in the northeast. about a quarter of the country is under water. dozens of people have been killed and hundreds of thousands forced from their home. the un says more must be done to stop men miles humanitarian crisis, special rapids tom andrews accused the military john, which took power in a qu last year of war crimes and crimes against humanity. it's the stream now
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why is that so dangerous right now? that is our conversation. you are invited to be part of it by joining us on youtube and jumping into the comments section. be part of today's chat with you about the little note they seem to, brazilian government has no desire to fight these violations, especially environmental crimes. we have a feeling it acts with impunity. and we want justice for tom, for bruno, for indigenous leaders, for environmentalists who have been murdered precisely for confronting these achieve so much before this in front on me. no question about justice would be continuing. bruno work, bruno life, don phillips, his life. they were in the forest, they were close to our territories for the defense and protection of our lives. it is with great sadness that we are here to day because part of us has died as a g mail when i felt the pain of loss for these 2 warriors who defended our rights and today who else will lose their life stories. hey, to was,
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this was the voices of indigenous people who are mourning the passing of bruno pereira and dom phillips. we are talking about defending the amazon and the dangerous endangered involved in doing that with andrew and anna and carla. thank you all 3 of you for being with us, andrew. please say hello to our audience around the world. tell them who you are and what you do. everybody. i'm andrew fishman. i'm a journalist with the intercept based brazil. good to have you. hello ana. welcome . please introduce yourself to stream viewers. hi everyone. good afternoon. i am an affinity co, legal advisor for amazon. watch also boost and brazil. and welcome collar. please say hello to our audience around the world. hello, i'm carla mendez. i'm working for a morgan bay. brazil is a contributing editor. i am going to star audience and guess on june the 5th. and
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that was when bruno parameter and dom phillips were last seen, though in the devour valley. that was indigenous territory. and after they fell to reach their next destination, local indigenous leader sent out a search party. it wasn't until 10 days later, so we're going fast forwarding here to june the 15th, when their bodies were found. and police found their bodies. that is what we know as an international community. andrew, what's happened with the investigation? how much do we know about what happened to her dorm and bruno in those 10 days when police were searching for them? well, unfortunately, this investigation started on very slowly and very traveling way. we were very disheartened to see that the police did not send out our captors and airplanes immediately as they, as they should have. and it was only really after a can started international effort to, to force the response that
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a more concerted effort took place after they didn't show up on sunday morning their colleagues when the badger, the, the local indigenous group that they were working with immediately began to start up and down the river and they were going out all day every day. and they were actually basically leading the search efforts for the police and were responsible for lot of the biggest discovery that were to happen over that time. and it should be read something into this delay and, and the delay in the search party going out because of the indigenous people that don't and bruno were when they knew that they've gone missing pretty early on. what does the delay tell us? so i think it's important to say that there was a delay in the searching for these 2 missing men. but there has been a delay into the investigations of an increase and escalation and violence in this indigenous territory. so we know that for at least the past 2 years,
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there have been attacks against the surveillance stations of the national indigenous foundation. we know that would or no had received death threats as well as his college from ever when, when he, roger, so all of this has been significantly delayed. and when the federal government specifically decided not to send in forces to effectively search for the bodies to investigate and indigenous people took the front line in doing this. it really seemed like they were evading responsibility for someone. you know, our president bull sonata made a series of comments saying that it was the responsibility of these men that they were going on the ear responsible adventure. as if journalism were an in responsible adventure, as if monitoring indigenous land rights wasn't her responsible adventure. so it really seemed like they were trying to down play to minimize what had happened and
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to say, you know, this is a dangerous region. they shouldn't be there even though indigenous lands are federal, government lands and brazil. so if this, these are dangerous regions, and it's a problem of the federal government of the union, that they are a dangerous region color and they were only there because of the failure of the government to protect the did use reserves. if a, if the government had been doing his job and had him slash all the resources to do so, then bruno would not be working with the local indigenous groups and gone when i've been doing his reporting on i'm just thinking about brazil thing one of the most dangerous places to be an environmental activist. why is that? well, des situation reserve is complicated for many years. we cannot say that he has started now. but what we saw is that seas pres then valuable. so now, little office, almost 4 years ago, the situation got worse and worse. why?
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because he's really, he's really clear, affirming that he at ease again is the indigenous land rights. he, he has a speech that clearly emboldens wrongdoing in slants and other traditional community . so did the lay we saw in the search for don and bruno is a clear picture of how, how does government treats the environment, the parliament to each is as a whole and in defense in a security area. so it's a really sad situation, n following those is a hate speech that will. so now go stands against vintage, most people color can you can you saw cobb county cuz you, i presume you're obviously you're, he, you're present speaking all the time. but can you give us an example, what you would say would be height? speech against indigenous people who are brazilians, of course, called casual algebra. no, absolutely, absolutely. yeah. yeah. ah, pres,
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then terrible sonata seems to during his campaign, he clearly said that he all done to them on kate and he, since he met her all the indigenous reserves anymore. and it happened. we didn't have just for you to understand because here in brazil, ah, when an area is claimed by the indigenous people. um, so they, they file i request and then the phone i with the indigenous resume integers at a fair agencies that result roses. and she would, that the land is recognized as an indigenous territory. and what we saw is that, but this was then there is, there might, kate, it doesn't mean that to dis, indigenous people. it belongs to them and they can sail into anything. no, it still belongs to the federal government, but they have the right to be there in the government as an a sad should be protected museums. but what we saw is that, you know,
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government that is clearly against traditional communities. they've been doing a lot of things that made the situation worse. for example, we saw budget cuts to environmental agencies. we saw political means was in several environmental agencies, rugs and bruno is a clear example. he was the head of the 4 nice isolated indigenous groups and he was doing an amazing job. you know, the got the president did. he fired him from this position and it happened in may any other environmental agents. so we clearly see that there is basically a war, you know, against nature here. yes ana. so it may be to, to compliment and to build on what catalyst saying, i think it's important to mention that last week there was the release of an important report by in ascii and by, you know, here in brazil which are,
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which is an organization of public servants of the for ny, the indigenous foundation, and in this report, they systematically draw out how hon, so not, or the national indigenous foundation fl night, has been transformed into an anti indigenous machine. so everything that full night does to day instead of accomplishing its constitutional mandate, which is to protect the rights of indigenous peoples, this public bureaucracy, this public institution has been perverted. it has been radically transformed into an anti indigenous machine which recognizes private estates within indigenous lands . this as in constitutional, okay, which refuses to protect and generous indigenous groups who are not on formally de marketed indigenous land. so that excludes from its protection. one 3rd of the indigenous population and in brazil. and so this is this perversion of an institution is, is,
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is very like i hear politics and he politics at what k and do i know you want to jump in here. i'm just going to slide in one more thought he and this is from dinner, emma, who we spoke to little bit earlier. she's from amnesty international in brazil. she also makes a connection between the risk of being an environmental activist and politics in brazil. he is your emma and andrew, please come off the back of that and then take us on a little bit further in our discussion. the murders of don phillips and do the bitter is one of the most terrible examples of the political decision from both of narrows demonstrations to dismantle. we cancel public policy and make it easy to protect the majority of forest to protect indigenous peoples who live there to protect activists. in fact, review is one of the most that those countries and who would to activist and to environmental is we at, at the amnesty international, we demand that the federal government and all distributions to do their
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responsibility to add criminalization. our ip is to protect active is to protect indigenous peoples and to protect amazon red forest. andrew thought, yeah, this and just to add onto everything everyone has just said, it's not, this isn't a power to dispute. this isn't a question of what the most effective way of creating development or protecting natural resources. it is an ideological this view. both nato has made explicitly genocidal statements prior to becoming president. and afterwards, he made a statement many years ago saying that essentially saying that he was the brazilian cavalry, you know, back in the, in the colonial days and in the early days of the republic were not very competent . and that the american cavalry and united states where the competent ones, because they decimated are indigenous population. the power is not today quote,
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they don't have to deal with this problem in their country. i mean, that's explicitly genocidal statement. and so when both now came into office, he implemented the vision together with the, with the military, which has also had a very aggressive position during the many years at the present dictatorship that they wanted to develop the amazon, you know, push the indigenous peoples aside. those were a year the great suffering and lots of devastation and under the boss, not administration, you've seen many, many indigenous defenders land defenders, human rights defenders being murdered and being and being threatened last year. $27.00 human rights defenders were murdered in brazil in one year. that's extraordinary. yeah, and it's, and actually in the very region, one of the brilliant but added the closest colleagues maxine out of the santos, who is also an agent and agent for the indigenous protection agency. he was murdered in cold blood in front of his family in 29 team. just one town over up the
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river into this day did not found the murderer. i so me jump in just to add to what i'm just sad is that we clearly see this general side and it's no side speech during the both scenario demonstration. and actually he has mean several law suits have been filed against him in international or because of it. and it's clearly. 2 are continuation of, oh, what happened during the colonization period and even during the dia, military, did they, russia, when you saw that there was this alita, cough development in brackets are being development the counter you where many indigenous populations were displaced for their from there are several land and we moved to somewhere else. can i ask and can i ask you something because i supported a news story on may the 24th, have a look here, my laptop,
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brazil's both narrow hikes, environmental finds to protect the amazon rain forest. and then it says that to the president, signed a decree to step up finds for environmental crimes, according to official government gazette. it's a move to allow more aggressive protection of the amazon rain forest. this is not nasty in line with what you are telling me. is this something that the government is now doing because of the complaints for environmental activists? does this have any teeth? is this helpful? well, i guess i followed his coverage. we covered it as well, and it's, this move was seen as the 1st movement, positive moment that movement fumble so loud in terms of our home. it is. yeah. but there are some improvement there. but for my 1st big tv, it's a clear move. folk is on the upcoming election just for you guys know in october
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we'll have this issue. elections, brazil, boston are, is not the leading to paul's. and there was all this huge pressure, special internationally against his government, about the rising, the, for the station, the amazon and the raising violence. so to me says clear move, more a political move, then i clear move to help the power met. this degree was signed before the disappearance and boon went and dawn, you know, and you see how i called the government act or not act julia's crime. so you, you can compare that you have worked with bruno, and i just want to ask you for a moment. what he was like as a person, because i have a little clip from a documentary that you worked on together. and he talks about how do you protect the amazon? i'm going to play that, but i would just love you to take a moment and just just talk about the men that we lost. so 1st of all, let's,
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let's have a little pause for bruno. what was he like cala? i matt bruno saw the 1st time at the start of 2019. at the time i was doing a documentary film about the gardens of the forest, the, our group of bushes shutting each of those who leave in brazil's north this marino state. and it's important to raise this because your situation we see, and these are very valley where the, the edson are remote area in additional go to the frontline to protect their land. what's burner nicer? what was he like? he was a very nice person, intelligent and engaged to wisdom digital as close as how no he have a listen. let's have a listen to some of his thoughts because they're so spot on for what we're talking about today, which is defending the amazon. i have a little listen that i have
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a look community for them. felicity also leaves the similar called the among the lego bid with a gene. we will remember little can release. the queen uses your photo prop, bothering this process that they then on the integrated mm. hm. do you live by looks broke orders to fix brooklyn. he was always o'neil. bravo. bill. cynthia has portion of this yellow toner of therapy, silver stroke. as you've been dobs the emergence up there, there's been dudley wanted to do my due to said the cluster as soon as possible. so prescient. that was from carlos documentary that came out in 2019 co guarding the forest. are you on to day? we spoke to andrea cavallo and we were wondering, is there anything that can be done to protect people who speak out? and i'm going to use some of your, your legal expertise here to ask what can be done, but festival, his andrea indigenous people under attacking the amazon encroachment of their
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lands by creaming. though, groups engaging in mining logging in all their legal d with this has increased dramatically since president wilson out of the office in 2019. his administration has weakened linked horsemen of environmental law. and that has empowered criminal groups that are the main drivers of the 1st station and the use threats and violence, i mean force defenders. those are responsible for a box or rarely brought to justice. the brazilian government needs to combine those matches. it should protecting the jurors lance and the strength and environmental life horseman, ages. it also needs to ending puny to for acts of violence against amazon defenders by improving investigations and prosecutions. enters the answer, the law to protect lives and also protect the communities of the indigenous people who live in the amazon so. so i think just for us to review some numbers now.
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so we know that in 2021 we had the worst indicators of deforestation in the past 15 years. we know that conflicts over land and over territory, according to the pastoral land commission report. in 2021 again was the worst in the past. 35 years, so over a 100 people were murdered in land related disputes and conflicts. so we are in a very drastic, very serious situation. human rights and land defenders and brazil they live in a circumstance of permanent violence and intimidation. the sometimes reaches explicit levels, sometimes it's threats, sometimes it's institutional violence and persecution. so it has many faces. and will, i believe that in addition to everything that they, i just said in this clip, to protect the bodies and the lives of these offenders is to protect their territories, there will be no safe living. no,
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when vivita no well being in the amazon in traditional territories and indigenous lands in land settlements, land reform, settlements, and brazil. if these territories are not protected by federal institutions, by federal government. as the constitution mandates, of course, once they are threatened, once, aggressions do occur, programs must be in place to protect them, specialized programs for the protection of human rights defenders. in thesis, in theory, we have these programs at the federal level. we have them at the state level in some places, but they are not, not operating as they should. so this level of threat and of aggression should not be reached. and when it is reached, would need to have programs in place that support these people. and these are not in place. i let me just go to youtube this conversation happening on youtube. i just want to share it with you guess so camilla rossi says the federal government has the obligation to protect the amazon. but what we have seen this tragedy is
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that borders of this region are handed over to narco traffickers. and then one more thought here before he took off this both from the road promised indigenous people that they would have one more square centimeter of land. and he has proudly kept that promise. andrew, i want to go back because i stopped karla to talk about bruno. and i want to just pause for just a moment. talk about dumb, because he was working on a book, but he's so relevant. and we haven't even taken a moment to talk about why environmental activists needed in the amazon in the 1st place. andre? yes, i was reading a book called how to save the amazon. i mean, he was trying to dig into this, these issues and try to find real solutions that go beyond, you know, just, we need to make sure that people are safe and that, and, you know, the, the forest is preserved because in reality,
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like one of the things that he was always, you know, going on about in private and, you know, this is reflected in his work as well. is that you need sustainable solutions. you need alternative, you know, right now the brazilian government for many, many years has been incentivizing cattle and soy and mining. and these things are extremely destructive to, to the amazon rain forest. and as a result, they've been encroaching on unprotected land and land that belongs to indigenous communities and they should be preserved and protected by the federal government. so it's, it's a very complex situation, but the one thing that can be done aside from obviously ending and community increasing enforcement would be to one look at the people that are benefiting from this. because it's not just, you know, poor people living in the amazon who are doing this independently, they're part of larger supply chains that are benefiting for an investors, corporations. and many wealthy people that have never set foot in the amazon. and
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we need to be following the supply chain and holding those people accountable and ensuring that they are not continuing to invest in these unsustainable and bloody practices. and he thank you so much. i'm just going to end on my laptop because there's some information i want to share with your audience so that you are aware, andrew, back here has a go fund. me have a look here on my laptop. here we go. and this is to help dom i'm bruno families say look out for that. and then if you need more information, of course, you can look at andrew fishman, he's on twitter, and you can keep up to date with the investigation. what is happening. and then you can follow anna's work at amazon watch at amazon, watch, and carla at color mendez. thank you, andrey don. excuse me. and anna and carla for being part of today's show. i'm gonna leave you with bruno perrera, singing in the amazon forest star buddy.
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