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china's goals go well beyond earth orbit. a man move mission could be on the cards by the end of the decade. i was last of this as an idea 3 or 5 years ago. but now we have to take everything but china says very seriously indeed. the 1st building blocks for the project, the mission that will land the 1st chinese people on the moon is already under construction. they've shown us pictures in the factory of the modules. so this is going to happen. they won't have a base on the moon by the end of this decade, but there is now a realistic possibility that a chinese woman or a chinese man could be the next person to set foot on the moon. china has been excluded from the international space station since 2011. when the u. s. ban nasa from working with it that's only heightened beijing's desire to establish the station of its own allah. and as china continues to reach for the stars,
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there's no telling what else it space program might achieve in the decades to come into marlin al jazeera ah type of each of the headlines here on al jazeera, russia has admitted launching as strikes on the ukrainian port city of odessa, moscow says the strikes hit military targets. the attack came just a day after russia and ukraine signed a deal to allow safe passage of grain shipments from ukraine, sports, or rural, as you would have shifted often. but of a rose before a russian forces took action in a port. odessa, a dock, ukrainian worship, and a warehouse with us supplied missiles will destroyed many stores. russia used long range, naval messiah in odessa seaport on the territory of a ship. prepare planned, more than a 1000 migrants and refugees rescued from the mediterranean. i've arrived in italy . 5 bodies have also been recovered. most of migrants set off on boats from north
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africa. in the caribbean, at least 17 people have died of the coast of the bahamas. after boat carrying refugees and migrants from haiti, capsized official san infant was among the dead. $25.00 people were rescued, but it's feared up to 60. may have been on board authority say they're seeing an increase in the haitians fleeing poverty and gang violence problems. this is arrive in canada to apologize for the abuse suffered by indigenous children in schools run by the church. more than a 150000 were forcibly removed from their families and sent to residential schools . over many decades. a funeral has been held for 2 palestinians killed during on his railey military operation and the occupied westbank. another 19 people were wounded. 2 of them critically joined the right and not lose general strikes, been called to mon, the victims. israel says its forces were on an arrest mission and exchanged fire
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with palestinians barricaded the house. brazilian president j bolton aro, has launched his re election campaign. the right wing liberal party officially nominated bolts, narrowed as candidate for the october election. 10000 people gathered for the announcement of the stadium and rio de janeiro. fulton aro, has been president since 2019, but opinion polls have him behind his main rival, former president lula da silva. those were the headlines. the news continues here now to sierra off the inside story statement. thanks so much bye for now. ah. south africa is heading for its own version of the arab spring. last the warning
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from former president turbo and becky, he says current head of state several ram poses, has failed to tackle poverty, unemployment, and inequality. it's a rare attack by vacate on the leadership of the governing african national congress. why is he speaking up now? this is inside store. ah. hello and welcome to the program. i'm burnett's, it was an unprecedented outspoken attack on his own party and its leader turbo, becky warner, that one day south africa is going to explode. the former president was speaking at a memorial for a veteran member of a have governing african national congress. becky, who in 1999 succeeded nelson mandela the 1st democratically elected president
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warned of widespread civil unrest comparable to the arab spring. he says south africa is facing unsustainable levels of poverty and unemployment and blames current. president 0 ram, oppose, and his government failing to address a legacy of a party. you can't have so many peoples unemployment. so many people or people faced with his law listeners, i'm talking about seized with a leather soup in the which a bit. he says, a n c people, one after another, are called corrupt wendy is going to explode from a poser is a form of freedom fighter who was once jailed by their party government. he took office in 2018, succeeding jacob summa, whose term was mired by scandals. corruption, mismanagement of millions of dollars in tax payers. money from
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a pose as presidency, has faced several challenges. his response to the cobit 19 pandemic was applauded. but his party was accused of mishandling millions of dollars in relief funds. most recently, he is embroiled in a scandal known as farm gate, from oppose it is accused of corruption in connection with the theft of around $4000000.00 in cash from his farm. with a criminal complaint filed against him for alleged money laundering, kidnapping, and the concealing of a crime. ah, well let's now go to our guests all in south africa in durban, dakota la, where tease the a and see national spokesman in cape town, we have mercy, my marnie. he's a founder of these one south africa movement on a former leader of south africa's opposition. and in johannesburg, william ga, made a is an associate professor at the school of governments at the university of whit waters round. thank you all for joining us. can i ask you 1st dakota is tarboe and
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becky, right. when he says south africa's ready to explode? no good german babies. she does a 3rd is though god, me, that lucid system. so we've become a government oxygen rights. busy for option to day a couldn't just said is to serve oh so it's d n 2 days. so one a less who does your major or move? press that grades broke. ok, thank you. okay, so lucy, what do you think south africa ready to explode? isn't baker? says certainly i hold the view that the n c
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like any of the liberation movement, have come to a point where they've. ready mismanage the economy, leading lines and lines of unemployed south africans luck. literally we live in a country where the majority of citizens are living below the poverty line. and youth unemployment now constitutes close to about 2 thirds or 2 thirds of young people get cannot find a job. so given those fits of circumstances without the prospects offered tomorrow, president ambiguous correct. in the summation that south africa facing an explosion where i would urged for him to go further is the reasons that come through that have been part of his own party, that mismanagement of economic infrastructure. and ultimately, the lack of policy direction amongst the government has brought us to this particular point. william, what do you think has prompted tub and back to speak out? now? i think, you know, we are, if you look at our environments, we could compare where speaking to you know, the months ahead of the out of things because exactly the same environment. now,
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i'm going to 1st thing of really a total fight after states to deliver to the social order breakdown in the country, nor a rule of law and order a town. and then combined for the biggest financial crisis inside africa in generations course of course, by the coban, the financial crisis mind. and the latest one is a crisis. and now the impacts of the last ukraine will. and any related with the management of the states and management of the company, is it economy by your combined tax? and then you know, i'm high, the highest levels of unemployment recorded in any other emerging market. and then you combine it with something else and something else the recombine in south africa, really, if you're an elite who's in charge, but who seems to be not have the ideas or seems to be socially just then looking the bubble who seems not to understand what's happening because it's social
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distance between the governing part in the lives, in order to struggle with struggling, you know, as to why it's and so there's the responsiveness from the companies and then the internet is also out against a, by daily. so what happens then if you've got that, it's really an explosive situation, particularly also when a company party try to continue as business as you. so in the biggest crisis, certainly in living memory on a rescinded last, last week, for example, an interest rates were where you please, you know, across the economy. the state has been increasing rates and services. but yet the state is not in the heading. dakota, william, that talks about an elite living in a bubble, a bubble has the a and c last, the confidence of south africans. is it? does it lead?
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not understand what needs to be done has been empowered for too long. good. no. is c, itself does not, it is on its own fixes the causal to instrument it on these other nationalists were another mancy fuss. that's great. but didn't it was his me grocery defend against, defend up in the summer and you go so it's in terms of national and teach. it's a country african national congress. it's a kind of that led in see to at least of us. oh we're not we're not, we're not let jamming with. yay woodson martin
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a or reach national any not a nationalist. he's not significant national nissan to see is little for all this we we are lady so rich. you are really true. let us it, we're going to find a better own sort of kids and all or you might be inclined kids always. thank mercy dakota there, defends the legacy of the a and c acknowledges it's weaknesses, but you've said that or i'm a poser should resign. but would that make any difference in the current circumstances while it would start the direction of the country in the right way? i think president obama post and his government have proven that there, and i think we need a fresh reset in south africa. new government that is led by competence as africans
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was, focuses on the future of this country. the key failures unjust in economic mismanagement, they n c in and of itself is delivering a situation where 80 percent of our learners in this country are r i and schools that are dysfunctional. which means that the long term trajectory of south africa aren't furthermore, that it's the same in c, that's allowed corruption to thrive. certainly under president zoom and it has continued on the person who he, himself has now been allegedly been embroiled. and so whatever emerges out of the new leadership that mr. cortez talk about self connection will be a compromise to preserve status quo and lead no one to job. so if you really want to reset fall africa, we need a new leadership. when a new question, and we need to can only vision that says, how can we cannot on the inter trade with an africa park compete globally with other markets in recovery to a post closer universe. and furthermore, to ensuring that youth unemployment become the trend william after be well
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documented ramp and corruption of the, of the zoom a years around the pose. it was supposed to be a new broom, wasn't a what's, what's gone wrong. i think, you know, getting set up because do not understand that, you know, the corrections i did is jacob's presidency was systemic. i mean, you know, it was a corruption. know how many of the states crossing up policy is crossed and rhetoric of ideas. you know, procurements and also the crops and the policy of the governing party. now normally a society is once you get that kind of systemic reduction. and jacobs was there for 10, you know, almost decades because, you know, the last decades it takes at least not a 10. yes. to get back to where he sponsors, and that's normally, you know, we, i kind of, so it's i to looking at other competitors of developing countries and you know, how they got out of production. and when they got a question, how long it takes to get out of it. so if you look at it up to consideration,
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you know, sums up to going to gratian movements is independence, not at the moment. you know, if it comes to spend 5 or 10, yes, systemic caracas apart. you know, it takes about 10 to 2, even some cases, 20 years. and then of course, i've seen some countries. i'm never gotten out of the corruption where the buck where i'm so you can't get out of the space if the company parties, if the what we need, we need a step daughter, actually off the governing party. i get new people to come in. i mean, that's really the only way to renew the country to state the society countries, our culture, dakota, not much confidence from all of a guests in the agencies capability to manage this. we've had the final findings of the 3 year inquire into state capture presented. it revealed endemic corruptions. we've talked about rama poses promised to plan to implement the reports, recommendations in 4 months time,
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because the agency realize how critical this is for the policy on the government. indeed work to go. this is, as i said before, we're a new swindle before as she does as is she on is in soon come on corrupt since we're little extenders. ready up wish that go, so come out and what part of it to us our monday. busy to liberally from the children in african countries at a coca. if i may interrupt you briefly, i don't think many people dispute very and sees revolutionary credentials in terms of and ending apartheid. but with youth unemployment, the highest in the world with record levels of poverty and inequality, the agencies failing to deliver those now isn't it? it's revolutionary credentials accepted, but now it needs to deliver for today. in did need to do was
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supposed to do an a month program and i made some money. he said that the issue of the problem is such late a minorities who are maybe from. ready up into sent just such a while and i think see we don't have to assess to find we deal with traps or social grants. well, it will. ready go much higher they've got to be on a she. ringback our country as well as the ok. all williams, not look at ok,
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but our country is still william, are you confident that? so rom, oppose a cannot. can come up with those recommendations in 4 months or is the is the rock to deep? i think they're still very tough because now because you know, you also understand that some of our present i'm a poster is also not in god's in allegations of corruption. what has happened that his father called us africa gates and i think he's focus not really if in trying to you know, to survive politically survive. that scandal. what in the amc, you know, is up for you for the election answers december conference. so between now and the end of the year is electra contra? spect. i don't take the sense i'm of course i will be focusing on the crisis needed fastly. the answer will be focusing on the one hand present because i seem to be focus on trying to combine to get reelected. and to try to create the name of sako
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december. and on the other hand, what you're seeing in the company, and maybe there is, but he's generating so much hopelessness and anger in the country. if that he is really, is focusing on his own internal battles from with him. and even the conversations that he has, the conversations is so far from, from the crisis. somebody else is talking and engine leaders are talking, blaming apart, base, maybe colonial or somebody has been over 3 decades. you have to imagine over 3 decades. you know the answers in charge of the status and chops of the economists in charge of the company policy writers domestic reform policy. you know, no one off the decades can still blame the asked what, one if one half half a party such a monopoly control over the states. since mostly i know you've written recently the south africa african lead is actually should talk to what's happened in natural anchor about ensure lanka was
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a revolution against elected representatives. and simply in south africa had violence last year. that might be a taste of what's to come, that makes it different from our spring. and that was a revolution against dictatorships if democracy, letting people down in south africa. no, i think that i think they economic circumstances often hard in this country. but what i'm starting to realize at this point in time is that as the maturity of their electron start to realize that even though they exercise the vote and the promise that the n c puts forward of the so called renewal is not occurring. their frustrations are bubbling over into the streets and i would argue that their frustrations will soon bubble over to the state. because then see as the liberation movement is no different than any other one in the rest of the continent. at 1st they cannot state, they must manage it, and then they find creative ways to stay in power. so project,
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hopefully you realize that the future of the n c is not different to that. it was on a p, f, in that these could become liberation. movements that start to infiltrate, the judiciary are frustrate media and dependence, and ultimately obfuscate election results. so we have to work hard in the period now though that democracy is maintained in this country. all we faced the real prospect of outside interests that can motivate and disillusion youth to be able to create just instability. and the country will come back to that sort of in a 2nd a. but the co to what he thinks around those as rama poses, chances are of winning reelection as the agency lead a later this year. you see this, you just in the legal or it ends on this, which are really any of the mitchell with
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bins on the price is what it's for now moly, this guaranteed in the ledge now leader. so don't eat a li is staying abashed. why they're built in the window would have done what he supposed to been done in terms of the last conference of the solutions. last conference for this physicians in, in, in wyandanch leader, is determined research as the in c. it will come back and decide to look at it in for both of us to cranberry once run. jalencia, florida. okay, who's performance visibility? jim cuba, billy just leader. to deliver the money. it's ok, william thanking this william just help us understand the day to day living circumstances of ordinary south africans at the moment. like in many developing will countries. people live day to day, what they are not days,
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what they spend on food at the end of that day. there's no weekly shop hedging against inflation. that sort of thing. how ordinary looks african surviving in the moment? i mean, i think, you know, because this is the bigger financial crisis. listen, the post democrats yet, but suddenly just maybe because i'm financial crisis since the end of the 2nd world war made you think about the numbers, 2 types of or young people are unemployed. at the change of, you know, another number just in terms of adults, be almost 60 percent of doctors and employees. we're now getting fuel prices because of the impact on the russian. u. k. was your prices soft traps of sky high? and most people, i mean most people are just, just to be example. i mean about 3040 percent of people's income at the lower end spectrum is spent on transport. so all the money to stay, we might even have now potentially the highest inflation. and right. you know,
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the post office a very close space then, you know, a public house of state house system because status failed. obviously, collapses go to public hospital now to joke, east africa, you go there to die of public education system. schools and townships, if we can pay for, you know, let's say mathematics compared to an emerging market and even our african counterparts, we certainly among the west to compare with public education but other countries. and then of course we got over $800.00 state own entity, certainly any emerging markets out. yes. so most of the companies, if you compare to other emerging market, but almost 90 percent of all of those companies will fail. i mean, they bank up in the last decade, just 1.5 trillion ran has to be used to bailout just
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companies. this is a real crisis. i mean, it is, as i say, and the biggest financial crisis in loving memory. ok, a movie isn't the problem for you, that the politicians at a capitalizing on the circumstances. william talked about of a one from the populist and of the spectrum. you've had to new policies and making began the municipal elections that run an anti migrant platforms. you have julius malay mer of the economic freedom fighters who went round with people into restaurants, demanding to know if they employed foreign workers the other day. they are the politicians making in route written road say, whereas people lot you who want to try to bring races together, a struggling against the populace. wait. i think globally, we went through that wave and you described periods that occurred even pre covalent and maybe to some of the time we saw in the us what that meant. we saw even some of the french elections and all of those, all the global phenomena was in place. but i would argue william, that in fact,
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we are now getting to a point where is more and more people realize that actually the rational center argument has to be restored back to south africa. there are more people now trying to correlate around the center. and i would argue the case that come 2024, you will see that in place because the plans for majority of south african citizens, they realize if they all blame the immigrants or sometimes even the and see wants to do, you would have had a far greater growth, but we are not describing $65.00 or 55 to 10 percent. i want to say this equally. so, and this is a very important point. is that what the greatest appointment with the n c has been? is that we've been through periods in the past where we actually gets economic growth. what we did see infrastructure in bold in the democratic era, and that is all dissipated. nancy is not going to be able to redo it. and that is what we still need. we need that 5 percent g d p growth, we need that infrastructure rebuild. and i think citizens like myself in many
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others are now starting to form that coalition in the center. that will be able to bring about that middle ground, that central vote to be able to bring about the change in 2024. ok. very last very quick answer to the to the independent hare. at the table, william, do you think the i n c? can recover in time for the national elections order. part people like a mumsy, have a chance. and you know, my sense is this is ends on the decline of the i can see, you know, i'm an african, if you look at african history outside of the school. so what about a decade? you know, the generations that both are free for liberation passes and, and the recent party fail. i'm take what? ok, so we are states now it does appear, i think really should be n. c will drop below 40 percent. if it's lucky, it would be, you know, but 40 if, if president, i'm a 4th has not had a very likely to the thirties and i've talked to load and my touches it won't be
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able to put a cover. it isn't. but if it's sort of late, it should be able for the coalition, but it will never be able to govern on its own anymore. all right, we are gentlemen, unfortunately out of time, but thanks to all our guests to dakota for wait, say to lucy, my money on to william made a thank you to for watching. you can see the program again any time by visiting our website al jazeera dot com for more debate, go to our facebook page, facebook dot com forward slash a j insights. you can also join the conversation on twitter. we are a j inside store. for me, bernard smith and the whole team here by the me. ah,
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