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an armed forces commander undeclared, that casa, whether the exercises were intended to send a message to beijing, saw us either not at all. we have always done this training if someone wants to read it that way. well, that's not our intention at all. any these drills involving several countries will continue until mid august. jessica washington out a 0 but roger, indonesia, a volcano has erupted in iceland just southwest of the capital reykjavik, you're looking at pictures of molten magnets seeping up to the surface as the live pictures of the situation made the 1st time the volcanoes erupted. since september was since then, pressure has been building up under the earth. that's what's causing the lava to burst through again, my son's authorities are monitoring the situation. ah, take you through those headlines,
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then. iraq's influential sheer leader mocked out solder as called for early elections and peaceful protests. he asked his supporters to leave baghdad, apartment building thousands of them storm the complex and baghdad on saturday talks to revive the 2015 iran nuclear deal, a set to resume in vienna on thursday. the u. s. special envoy for iran, robert mary, is on his way to the austrian capital for the discussions to her on. and washington have been holding in direct negotiations until now to try and revive the nuclear deal. the agreement broke down in 2018 after the u. s pulled out u. s. house speaker, nancy pelosi is left taiwan after a visit denounced by china, she repeated washington's commitment to protect democracy on the self governing island. agent concert is it part of its territory to day the world se, se is a choice between democracy and autocracy. america's determination to preserve
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democracy here in taiwan and around the world, we may iron clad. it's really clear that while china has stood in the way of taiwan participating and going to certain meetings that they understand that they will not scan in the way of people coming to taiwan. china has conducted live fire military drills around taiwan in retaliation for policies, visit the taiwanese defense ministry says the exercises are violated. the islands sovereignty and breached un rules the 1st grain cargo ship to leave ukraine. since the russian invasion has sailed through turkeys, basra, straight on its way to lebanon earlier, a team of inspectors boarded the ship to check its cargo and documents. the ship is being monitored by the new joint coordination center in the stumble turkish, russian, ukrainian. and you and staff are taking part and read the all signed last month.
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the ship left the ukrainian port of odessa on monday, rosie headlines. the news continues here now to sierra, after the inside story, stay with us. ah. standing with taiwan in defiance of china. you as how speak at nancy pelosi has ended her controversial visit to the self ruled island. it's triggered an angry response from beijing and how willed tie, pay, and washington deal with the full mouth. this is inside story. ah.
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po, up into the program on can vanelle, nancy pelosi has become the most senior us politician to visit taiwan in 25 years. us how speak is spent less than a day on the cellphone island. but china, which claims taiwan is part of its territory called the trip a direct challenge to its sovereignty. aging had issued threats and warnings before pelosi even touched down. but america's 3rd most powerful politician was undeterred, saying, washington was committed to preserving taiwan democracy. china is responding with live 5 military drills and an import ban on time when these products will bring. and i guess in a moment, 1st this report from homages june for us. how speaker nancy pelosi, a high profile trip to taiwan, fraught with both complications and contradictions. america's 3rd most powerful
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politician, repeating washington's commitment to protect democracy on the self governed island, while also respecting beijing so called one china policy to day, the world se, se is a choice between democracy and autocracy. americans, determination, you preserve democracy here in taiwan and around the world. we may iron clad, taiwanese, president, sy, in when, who gave pelosi, one of the highest civilian honors, promised to defend the island from beijing's threats. and helen, aggression against democratic taiwan would have a tremendous impact on the security of the entire india pacific. he man, facing deliberately heightened to military threats. ta one will not back down. we will firmly up, hold our nation sovereignty and continue to hold the line of defense for democracy . china, which considers taiwan a part of its territory, has said it once
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a peaceful reunification and views, policies visit as a direct provocation repair under tie one sighing wayne and her ilk a clinging to us and turning their backs on national justice. these behaviors that go against the trend of times co will not change the international consensus of one china and will not change the historic trend that tie one will inevitably return to the motherland. those who play with fire will not come to a good end. and those who offend china will be punished. even during policies visit china's reaction was fast and furious. suspending imports and exports of several goods to and from taiwan, conducting joint air and sea live ammunition drills near taiwan. and summoning the u. s. ambassador in beijing, policy's trip has come to an end, but with chinese american relations at such a low point, it's not clear yet what the long term repercussions of this visit will be. mohammed
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drum drum for inside story. well, let's look more closely at the u. s. relationship with taiwan, washington does not have formal diplomatic ties with the island, but maintains what it calls a policy of strategic ambiguity recognizes the chinese government in beijing, but not china's territorial claim to taiwan. the u. s. does supply weapons to taipei and it's 1979 taiwan relations act. the island is a major economic and technology partner to the u. s. it supplies more than half of the world. semiconductors, china seas, taiwan as a breakaway province, that will eventually be united and hasn't rolled out using force. ah, let's bring in our guests in taipei, vincent chow form a director of the political did division at the time. pay economic and cultural representative office in the u. s, and a former chief of staff to both the taiwan national security council and foreign
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minister in miami june teufel drayer, professor of political science at the university of miami and editor of the book taiwan in the area of science when changes and challenges and in beijing henry wheel yeah. when founder and president of the center for china and globalization and director of the chinese people's institute of foreign affairs variable and welcome to you all. i'd like to start with you and re clear wang in beijing with your thoughts on nancy pelosi visit. and the reaction that we've seen so far to that visit? well, i think this is a really a bad move actually on the, on the a close it because she came to a relation to the child. you already have the lows on also the war is the face them and then and face, and then you can rushing prices and energy prices and the other questions as well.
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so we just have the present, president biden called last week, and we also had the 5 high level dialogue between the senior officials in china, us in the last 2 months. so we don't want to see this happen to me for nancy pelosi personal games because she, she has been branded, has been really by her name. her know though that and to china. busy and also really not, not in good relations with china. you expiration so. sure she's, she's really, i think we need to go on to ration and for the domestic colleges. i think that she's really a went to taiwan, baby, so i'm present. so i think that the band and the anomaly, the us china really, but also bring the series a crisis to the cross street of taiwan. and so this is going to be really breaking
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a lot of the status quo. and i think there's going to be a lot of constant prisons in the future. that's really good. we're seeing that the duration of the so the missions ok, i just want to pause you there and cross over to type pe, vincent child. what do you make of nancy pelosi reception in taiwan? what is her visit mean for taiwan or just to start henry's point about china? i think please really trying to say she's been pro democracy basically her whole life. if anything, i think she's pro china democracy and she was in german. she showed support for democracy both in china and taiwan in the past. and i think what it comes down to is this. oh yeah. ready great track record when it comes to putting human rights at the office. yeah. around the world and her coming here to taiwan and and when we look at it, there is no breaking the status quo. new gingrich speaker that comes in 1997. the
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chinese, the not as bad fighter dads that at all that down by far exercise has been on engage in comic sanctions. and so it becomes a bit disingenuous to say that hey, i mean time has not changed china hutchins, this is clearly what the president, this has been done before. the reaction design is far above and beyond what we saw last time around. and so clearly something within the c, b has changed, then it's difficult to imagine. it's narrow where countries around the region and the u. s. are not gonna respond to june. teufel dray, is there anything that you would add to that? yes, i believe the speaker from beijing ers, when he said that just as upsetting status quo, china has been upsetting the status quo or the shy one straight for quite some time . now, with a lot of docket is actions and talks about time cables for unification or state persistence con reification. even though taiwan has never been part of the republic
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of china. and i was a paul that the effort to write history here, quatro new who has the spokeswoman for the chinese foreign ministry saying that taiwan has always been a province of china. this is simply not true. it was declared a province in chief dynasty for less than 10 years, less than 10 years. when john japan took it over and made it a colony of japan. lying about the couch is not going to help to the situation. so i think hello, she's visit was designed as was saying, do as a show of support because against china is trying to change the status quo. why just before we move on, mr. what, why does taiwan meta so much to nancy pelosi and to the us?
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it matters for a number of reasons. one of the reasons nancy pelosi came, it gave me that she has always been a strong supporter of democracy around the world. as the united states in general. which mediately puts it against china, which is defending authoritarianism. but a 2nd reason is strategic. python is strategically extremely important because it is part of the 1st island chain of defense against aggression by the peoples ration army. and it is chinese military standard just have referred to taiwan. the buckle in the chain that keeps people to the ration army bottled up behind. the
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1st island shades and breaking, taking over taiwan, were getting access to a very important port, sean and also an entryway. and they have specifically sh chad, an entryway to the blue pacific and guam guam is a u. s. territory. and of course, halfway toward hawaii. so that bothers americans strategic plan. of course, i'd love to go back to henri in beijing. china obviously, views this visit as a violation. what are the chances that you think china would go beyond live fire drills and actually take military action and taiwan? well, i think this is really, really a break in the pattern and the norm in the last 4 or 5 decade action break to the status quo. because in the, in the ninety's 70 my, you know, the john k established by china, u. s. the john company k stipulates, you know,
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of course, as us come in tank culture and commercial ties was taiwan, but no official times, not to work liter state it. that's the prerequisite that you know, you start the diplomatic times, you s b u. s. in china and also for $100.00 countries around the war, the child established of americans use a dashing diplomatic ties. this is just a visit from the house speaker. well, this is the office that she's the 3rd highest branch of the issue that you're talking. sure, absolutely. she's over to that, that's all for sure with that's that's, that's a fact. i mean, also a part of china for, for the long history. it's a, it's always a part of john as 1st time for me to hear that time it's not part of china. that's, that's really losses so, so i think that, you know, she really a break that pattern and that's why i mean child is always a response. i mean, child to them a well, but that's a closing. and those, those military as,
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as you mentioned about around that time and we'll be really response, really a response. but i have to, you know, that, so there's and use a trash in law there's, there's a, there's a independence and thought trying to see. and then, and then of course you as a plane, this problem car, it's really escalating the situation to show. i come back to my initial question, do you think that china would actually take military action in taiwan? why think matter channels already? or, you know, we, you know, there's a lot of flights over a, the street already last night and also from the, from the 3rd to 7, you're going to be admitted to record the wrong time. well, that's already broad and the last already. so so the absolute nurse responses, those are action as taken, they are that that's very obvious so, so that is also part of the record better as well. you responded to the so we're vision by and as the closing. vincent chow in taipei, our every day time and he's,
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people are concerned about the rationing up of tensions concerned about these live fire drills that are going to be happening. i think what's fortunate is publications and military intimidation and gordon there certainly has become part and parcel of everyday life here and a and we've really seen a wrapping up of pensions from the military jets flying across our air defense. i didn't asian zone economic course of action including most recently the batting of food products and so for them, so it's become really a part of routine life. and you know, that has its pitfalls on its own, but it's also unfortunate consequence of the relationship or the lack of what we see today. but i do have to emphasize one point. if we take this idea of china meeting the people's republic of china on has never been part of the. ready historical, there is no, there's never been
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a people's liberation army soldier. you're in taiwan. and every one has never said, but on buy one. and so it becomes very disingenuous to say that has become part of china for a very, very long time. and so that's partially what i want to respond to, but secondly, on the one relation that and communities and all that know her within any of these documents doesn't mention that those speaker can visit how one of the members of the legislative branch in visit one and or no member of the executive for that matter. this is just not part of what's written literature within the 3 committee case ordered home relations or to 6 assurances matter. and so we have to be very clear, right? because we don't want to stumble in the next crisis based on your state, and we don't want to do next crisis based on word of mouth. so we have to be very clear in the past and what keeping with the status quo and when we have a visit by speaker of the house that has taken place 25 years ago. it becomes very, very difficult for us in plenty, plenty to say that this is completely cool. that's not true. okay,
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i want to talk about us policy toward taiwan. but we just wanna take a moment because president joe biden cause control the c back in may. when he publicly stated that the west would defend taiwan. if beijing were to attack, you didn't want to get involved in the ukraine conflict militarily for obvious reasons. are you willing to get involved militarily to defend taiwan? if it comes to that? yes, you are. that's a commitment. we made a 2nd, then we may, we are not look, here's the situation. we agree with the one china policy we signed on to him. all the attendance agreements made from there, but the idea that it can be taken by force is taken by force is just not just not appropriate, dislocate the entire region, and be another action similar to what happened in ukraine
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or the white house, quickly insisted that washington's policy had not, in fact changed at june. teufel dreyer, has the biden administration been confused about his policy? it was that just a gaffe on, on the passes of president biden. i, well, it may have been a gas, but in fact, what china has been doing is insisting on if definition of a one china policy, which is that there is one china, and its capital is in beijing. and taiwan is a part of that is not with united states signed onto the sean i communicate said very clearly that the united states acknowledge, is that the chinese give it did not say it agreed with china. right. and so china has been trying to shift what the united states meant and the shock i can get a k. it has in fact,
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been trying to shift the status quo for many years. and there is always going to be push back the 9 stage public opinion is strongly supportive of taiwan ability to determine its own future of many of your top officials. pie one, we're educated with the and in the united states. and it is very important to us not to web a democracy, which has been a good friend of the united states to come to the treatment that beijing has made it out in shin john and hong kong. ok, i'd like to cross over to you, henry, who you want to say. do you have any response to that? what you just heard there? well, i think that a communique there was saying the people cost us time on straight over to my chinese. i mean there's, there's one child, i mean, also we have these 92 consensus. there, there was even
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a meeting between president and the former president my and you know, all the time. and then so definitely a little before the before the time and took over millions of the mainland chinese to taiwan. and also, you know, the people in both places share the same college with the same average. so, so i think really it's want to try know, you have a different approach and you know, i, we don't want to get stuck on the sticking points of, of history because obviously that we have, we have conflicting views here. i want to get into the analysis of this before i move on from you, henry here, you know, and is this, do you think just a, is this a bilateral spat between the u. s. and china, or what are the global implications of this d? thank what so has termite, does the impact on the go, you know, chinese,
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the stabilize of the global economy trying to contribute over a month or 2 ago, would you be gross? china actually is the larger the nation is $1.00 to $30.00 countries and china, you know, even that was that a trade war going on try to us is those impacts what has increased the last several years so, so, you know, is a stable as no, we don't want, you know, the war now is that your experience that you can rushing, cries and, and also that we have these pan down, he's doing more going on and the war need both us and china and they have more responsibility. will see the war really going in the right direction. so we don't want to really be a really plague about this, a domestic politics, the china become a scapegoat. and also we see that, you know, 5 high level talks and be tutors in presentation present by them. they also one china policy. you don't want to have a cold war with all the content. china. ok, well let's do the, do the b not, not just words. you know, that's really the problem in china. i was being played does
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a pretty the car against china, which is where i'm 40. i'm vincent challenge i pay. and as we said earlier, china has responded with an input and on time, and he's products is taiwan able to withstand the economic price that it's now being forced to pay? well, it's a, it's a, it's a for a relationship. but economic and trade relationship that we have with china, and it's unfortunate back, but it's true that majority of trade, those go through china and the china as a major center for how many businesses. and so that's an important part of the economy. and so it's, it's a bit disappointing when on both china and i want to members of the w t o. when we see arbitrary trade rules and course on counties products with the process. when we see a trade in really played as an, an economic card against this relationship and, and, and frankly, does a lot of companies, businesses and it's also something we of the city. but, you know, we do have to put it in this context. i mean one is
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a industrial powerhouse where high tech. ready society and, you know, obviously trade on agricultural is important and all the cultural provides love jobs during high want. but it's, it's, it's one aspect of a many, much multifaceted relationship. and let me know there's this trade. the spirit with china has really highlighted need of why kids like clothes are so important because i don't both need economically better as far as a free market society. we need to provide incentives, preferably to be paid them. so this is something that we're looking very keenly, and we do hope that we can make progress on us future june, twice on trial. we are coming to the end of the program, but i want to ask you sighing when has posited herself as a defender of taiwanda, our integrity, what kind of position of i in now, i think that this can only enhance her popularity. now she is terminated, she's been our 2nd term as president. but i predict with some certainty
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that her popularity ratings, which were already pretty good. because as you know, taiwan was a beacon for the world. countries in terms of dealing with co good outbreak can so popularity ratings were already very high. they are going to be higher as a result of this. do you think there is international concern? june? that's china. us tensions over taiwan may divert attention from ukraine. internationally. that's a very interesting question because initially it was rooted about that one of the reason she didn't pay me was being so aggressive toward taiwan, which by the way, prompted nancy pelosi is that i was losing and it was, it was dispirited by what was happening in ukraine,
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and it thought that the united states would be so distracted by what was happening in ukraine, that it wouldn't do anything to counteract the increasing chinese aggression against taiwan and visit shows that do you was mistaken. or i, i, i think that is about all we have time for. there's obviously so much we could more we could talk about, but for time we will have to leave it there. big thank you to all of i guess vincent chow june teufel dreyer and henry we out one and thank you for watching. you can see the program again any time by visiting our website al jazeera dot com. and for further discussion, go to facebook page that facebook dot com forward slash a de inside story. you can also join the conversation over on twitter. we are at a j inside story or you can get me at kim vanelle for me, kim and a whole team here. uh huh. bye bye. for now.
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