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children being detained by the military. all of these are great, very, very disturbing and increasingly prevalent. it seems. and we also see other types of defenses such as use of indiscriminate force in this, in civilian areas and burning and villages. finally, chant us have arrived back in india nearly 70 years after they became extinct beth . this is the moment that india's prime minister released 8 of the animals into a quarantine enclosure. and one of the national parks and central india, they were relocated from the media in southern africa, and the 12 are expected next month. the idea behind this project is to provide cedar. i mean india, a funding population of cedar that can be reintroduced over time. we hope in this 5 year period and then it would then be on a lease in a not open. and hopefully, if the project will then they will need that other people will need it and re
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colonized the audience with the when nobody it's thing ah, it's good to have you with us. hello, adrian finnegan here. and so how the headlines on al jazeera, at least 24 people have been killed and fighting this week on the border between kirsten and tajikistan. no major incidents were reported overnight friday and saturday, but a ceasefire was reportedly violated on friday. the united nations is planning to send monitors to the ukrainian city of ism, following the discovery of a mass burial size. ukraine says that $450.00 bodies were found days after its forces retook the city from russian forces. iran as ordered an investigation to the death of a woman who died in hospital after being arrested. the family say that she was detained by so called morality police. the police deny the allegation was that she was beaten shortly after her arrest dorsal jibari reports from tat ron. her brother
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says that she was arrested by the morality police who are known as gosh, they are shot in iran. they have a specific kind of vehicle, a van that they have for detaining women, who are, they deem to be dress inappropriately an anal law mclee and having improper hedge up according to her brother, massa was taken into this van and then transported to a police station where she was held for a few hours. now we have seen footage cctv footage released by the officials that show while she was in detention or in this police station. and seemingly, she seemed to have collapsed wynja during, at some point after her detention in london, thousands of people have spent a cold night queuing to pay their respects to queen elizabeth the 2nd, the waiting time to see her coffin at westminster hall is now at least 24 hours the queen's children, including king charles, held a vigil of their mother's coffin for more than 15 minutes. on friday. the governor
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of the u. s. state of florida has defended his decision to fly around 50 migrants to the island resorts of martha's vineyard. in the state of massachusetts, the white house was condemned to flights as a political stunt. others were headlines. more news for here on al jazeera of the inside story, coming up next. on counting the costs britton's king exceeds to the throne. at a time of economic hardship, we'll take a look of how much the monarchy cost is trade a solution for africa's battle against climate change employ, quitting is the latest workplace trend. what is it? counting, the cost on al jazeera is the pandemic. nearly over the world health organization says the end is in sight, but warns against complacency is it's assessment realistic and what lessons can be learned in case we face another one. this isn't social ah.
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hello, walk into the program. i'm him, ron con. it's been nearly 3 years since that coven 19 1st emerged. the virus is killed, 6 and a half 1000000 people. and infected, more than 600000000 others around the globe. but the world health organization says things are starting to improve. it's direct to general says the number of deaths last week was the lowest since march 2020. when the pandemic was declared, new infections have fallen steadily since july. and although the finish line may appear in sight, the w h o is warning against complacency. it's released a 6 policy documents to guide governments. they include advice on distributing vaccines, testing and managing misinformation. we have never been in a better position to end the pandemic. we're not there yet,
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but the end is in sight. if we don't take this opportunity now, we ran the risk of more variance more does more disruption and more unsafe to or to say uncertainty. so let says this opportunity, despite the optimism, the long set medical journal found at what i called massive global failures in response to the pandemic. it established a coven 19 commission in 2020, to look at science space policies, global corporation and finance. and it's critical on all levels saying, health authorities went fast enough in their response. the outbreak. there were delays and acknowledging coven 19 was spreading my air. and governments were often influenced by misinformation and protested against taking basic precautions to safeguard public health. and there was a shortfall in global funding for low and middle income countries. ah, let's brain are guess n, geneva,
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dr. margaret harris, a spokeswoman for the world health organization, jeffrey lazarus, who heads the health systems that research group at boss learns institute for global health. he joins us from dublin and in a boucher sarah marker, interim africa director for the one campaign. welcome all of you to the show. i want to begin in geneva 1st with margaret harris. so the w i chose released 6 key policy documents. are they effectively a blueprint on how to do things better in lee? there actually a distillation of what we've learned in the last 32 months of this terrible pandemic. and we have learned some really important lessons. they're also a plea to governments to actually apply them because now the time to really double down not to relax. a sarah letter in a boucher sarah. i must be very disappointing for you, that the w h o has said the end is inside, and they're released this
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b 6 policy documents. but the content, the african continent, had huge amounts of trouble actually getting vaccines early on distributing those vaccines. there is a specific policy document for the african continent that must be frustrating for you. you know, one of the things that we had an awakening on with this panoramic and the continent is not just of debilitating nature. that the health crisis brought the cheek of it . but the twin economic crisis that has happening and unfolding as we speak. so this time last year, countries came together in 70 or 70 percent are all income country population should be fascinated by the end of this year. most high income countries about 63.9 percent of so the african continent is still at 22.6 percent. if we start this continued on this page, it will take us 4 to 5 years to read 70 percent. so what i'd like to see in such a global documents is not only what have we learned,
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which is really important. i mean, some of the things that i hope are in there are the vaccine inequity. you know, we saw africa's lack of vaccine sovereignty. the low income countries getting higher prices next to the peak of this vaccine hesitancy across the below, quite frankly, including africa. but i think what i would like to see as well is how do we a learn from this will be recognize that is not just a health crisis. it's actually also economic crisis that is still ongoing. well, let's talk about the economics of all of this. jeffrey lazarus is in dublin. jeffrey this cost governments billions of dollars. it's not something that they're going to want to repeat. the w a chosen voice is actually if they implemented properly the way the w h. i wanted to implanted is actually going to cause them billions of dollars. again, if there's another pandemic, there's gotta be hesitancy there. right? is definitely hesitancy hesitancy. i mean, governments are thinking about politics, they're also thinking about economics, as you mentioned,
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and they don't always play the long game if they had acted earlier. even just before w h r announced that as a public health emergency of international concerned back in january 2020, i really don't think we'd be where we are now. and i think if they followed the chose advice but also, you know, many other organizations and strong research about how to control it. ultimately end a panoramic as a public health threat. i think they be not just saving money now and, and in the long run. but also saving lives we're facing, you know, well earlier we're faced with huge numbers of deaths and very high, very high, much holiday. now it's really a question of morbidity, long cove id and so much suffering. because governments are not reacting strongly enough longer to geneva. you've heard what to guess that have had to say, it sounds like you need a document that has been motif eci these as a distillation of what we've learned. but we have many documents with a lot of tape. and i'd like to say with africa particularly, but not just africa,
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but countries that were at the back of the queue. note, we knew would be at the back of the queue for vaccines for all the, the equipment for the tests. because we're seeing this over and over and over again . the wealthy, the well resourced, grab all the resources very quickly. we set up the accelerator in 2020, for that very reason. now it has not been perfect and it has not achieved all the things we wanted to achieve, but we have got vaccines out too many, many countries. we have not done nearly as well as we need to i that's absolutely correct to say that many countries in africa are not in a position. we want to be in line. we have a live in member states that have vaccinated less than 10 percent of their populations. whereas the 1st of these policy briefs that it really emphasizes the need to vaccinate a 100 percent of your high risk groups. that's your older people in your health
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care workers. so it is really, really important to have raised the issue of getting those vaccination levels up. and i'd like to say thank professor lazarus for pointing out exactly the critical thing. governments need to act when the, the alarm is raised and, and act together and really apply things if they spend the money early might seem like a bit of money. but it's so much less money than we've all lost. and the terrible economic consequences were seen as a result of not acting early when the alarm was re, governments need to act together. jeffrey is something that you did mention, but we don't have a un security council for health. we don't have a, a mechanism where governments can discuss a unified approach and that during the pandemic was laid burb, but was going to sign up today, although, i mean, how do you get government to act in unity who we do have a un security council and almost 20 years ago, they did pass a resolution on
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h i v aids as a major security threat. so, you know, there is that option to go through the security council. and we also have the world health assembly, which governs w h o, and that's where they have been discussing cobra 19. what i'd like to see is similar to other w, h or strategies that all member states have signed on to whether it's vital hepatitis h. i v or other conditions that we have those 6 policy documents, but also all of the other guidance and information in one place with a clear set of targets, a commitment to measure it. and having that approved at the world health assembly or at an emergency meeting of the world health assembly. so we can be monitoring and also so that we know what exactly needs to be done and when it needs to be done . because right now, as was mentioned, there are a lot of w, h, a documents. there's a lot of technical guidance, normative standards, where we need it very clearly in one place or what to do and when and for
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government to approve it. it's interesting. you mentioned h i v aids and particularly the security council acted when aids was confined to the african continent. i remember that as a teenager, growing up in the u. k. people weren't to be talking about is any when it became a question to you, sarah. a problem within the west, the government started to act and the security house got involved that never happened this time around. do you think that needs to be a stronger, much more global focused alliance just for health? you know, it's really, as just we mentioned earlier, there are lots of policy documents. the question is, they're not just the commitment to delivery on the process. so even this time around a lot of houses mean the g 20, the g 7. many western countries promised a lot. for example, we will recycle a $100000000000.00 in s d r special during rest african countries, just across the fiscal constraints. today, we are at 58000000000 pledge to be
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a cycle, how much has been actually recycled country 0. so there's a gap between the promise and the actual delivery and not we need to bridge. it's not enough to have the policy document. it's not enough to make that the declaration at the un or the g 7, g 20. what really matters is the delivery and i, with this pandemic, it seemed like if the world was a building and one part of building was on fire as long as folks in the other part that were not, that was not a prior feel safe. they didn't put out the fire, but the truth of the mattress, these issues just like any other interconnected issues. whatever happens over there . in fact you over that eventually. but we're not seeing that intellectual connection being made to be masked with the political well of government. and we're seeing a lot of politics in it. quite frankly, i don't want to take apart from it affecting people in the west. i don't know what else he says to have people see us all as interconnected and what we're not all of
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us are not saying until each month, not until all of us. it's sort of it's housing that for a while and one campaign. and yes, that, that the narrative, this is catching is catching up with folks understanding it. but we still need to bridge the promises or the delivery. or i see you nodding in agreement. that's what sarah lucky has been saying, but the long sec medical journal at its commission, they've issued their report. if this was a school report that would be, must try harder. there's a lot of criticism. health authorities weren't false enough in their response. the outbreak, though a delays acknowledging that code 19 was spreading by add the list goes on of criticisms. how do you deal with how you make sure that we've learned and we can do better? i think one of the critical things is having a good and continuing assessment of what's going on all the time and always updating and really learning and looking. so again,
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it's good to have commissions and reports like this, the gun, but there is made another important point. you can go back to previous outbreaks. i mentioned before, we knew that the well result countries would be grabbing all the resources because we've seen that in previous outbreaks. so let's make this time the world says with god, we'd love all these lessons. let's apply them. can we really work together? that is my hope from all of this. i have said. ringback some of that with the science world, i've seen the scientific world working together day in day out. i would really like to say at this moment, the people i would like to thank our oldest scientists to come every day unpaid join thousands of meetings to debate, to argue they often disagree, but they have changed what we've understood about this. they developed the vaccines, they developed the changes in our understanding of how the virus works. they found the variance, and this is something we should latch on to listen to the people who really are
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committed to working together and changing things and apply the lessons. for jeffrey, the launch medical commission report was pro made pretty bleak reading for people in the days. people who are very worried still about covered 19 well, find findings valid? i think they were and, and i would say it wasn't on the score or the grade wasn't try harder. that was the recommendation. it was trying much harder this. the grade was really the world collectively failed. and so we point out where the failures were in an effort to, to make changes moving ahead. that's why we came out with 11 overall recommendations including strengthening w, h o and multilateralism. but also importantly, that we have a, you know, a global strategy. every country has a preparedness plan. and i understand that countries didn't have those plans
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necessarily before the pandemic, even though w h o and others have always been encouraging them to do that. i remember from my own days at w h o, 20 years ago, we were asking countries to have these kinds of plans. and, but now, you know, over 2 and a half years into the pandemic, there are still most countries not having such a plan. the other recommendation, you know, we made is to have a vaccines class approach. so we've just heard about vaccine hesitancy, poor distribution. you know, almost a dozen countries are under 10 percent of the population vaccinated. lots of concern about getting boosters when, how often which booster vaccine to use. but we also need to think beyond the vaccine. you know, how can we make the world a safer place, including better ventilation and air filtration even through simple things like opening doors and windows and weather permitting. because we know that that helps disperse from the virus since the virus is transmitted through the air through aerosols, or i'll bring in just a 2nd, but i want to change the flow of the conversation just for a minute jeffrey,
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i'm going to come back to you what we're talking about is the idea that you do things can be done better, and you have the recommendations. you've made the recommendation. the w h o seems to have listened to those recommendations and issue these policy briefing documents were in effectively quite a good place for information for guidance, but you'll still fighting anti vax is you're still fighting information that the internet and even people within my own family are still reading things that are plainly ridiculous, but they completely believe them the misinformation that was one of the biggest problems and is that being addressed? will w h o, you know, call this and in for demick, and rightly so, there are those who are asking questions which is reasonable. but there are also those who are, you know, spreading misinformation, false information on purpose, you know, creating chaos and, and confusing and on
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a pretty regular basis. so we need a much better response, multilingual response. we also need to address just like it's illegal to provide inside information that can affect the stocks and the stock market. and we need to, you know, get better at cracking down on those who are providing false information and the platforms that are allowing that false information to be spread. just like we talked about here on inside story, you think about half a year ago with the spotify controversy, or it must be a real concern for you as well. the spread of misinformation are how do you deal with on a day to day level. so yeah, you know, one of the, well, don't you things that are, that i think are performed today actually we are working on as we speak with the a year in ethiopia. and where are young chapters. i go on the street to educate people on vaccines listening to what hesitation looks like and reinforcing you
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know, the good messages and debunking the, the false information by frankly, among those champions, our doctor's name to appear who joined them on the, on the ground. so i think those kinds of efforts are important. we also have something in the midst of the pandemic called the methyl vax campaign. and we have this in the, in concert with the a, you and a few other partners with tech talk. now, me people where they are, where the eyes are tick, tock where they are. so social media and we have a little game that says, is this a mit or are a truth about the vaccine that reached over a 100000000 people viewed or participated with that elements? we all need to do more. there's a regulatory elements that can be infused, just like jesse said earlier to say it, just like you know, inside information is a legal reading, deliberately spreading false information should have some penalty. but at the same time, we need to socialize and sensitize the positive information,
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because at the end of the day, this pandemic could be one of many. so how do we make sure we build the rail? so the next cycle will take him those, those lessons of the w to just release and, and what we're setting ourselves up better for the next pandemic that comes and information tackling is definitely one of the high points. margaret. the richard did do a very good job in getting information out to the director general was almost on every single new channel at one point every single day giving updates the information. it was there, but sarah makes a very, very good point. that's not really where young people are getting their information, it's tick, tock it social media. it's things like that. is that now the new battle ground for the w h. o is that where you need to put your resources will be putting our resources very much in all the different platforms that reach all the different audiences. so indeed, if you're a young person well connected, that tech talks where you might be. but if you're an older person somewhere or you're not a person who reads you will be reached and on the way,
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perhaps by your neighbor as, as sarah mentioned by your doctor for it. so it's a highly variable, but what we have found and you're the, it was quite right to mention that we labeled this and in for demick we actually have developed a whole specialty, a whole team of experts. and we've partnered with many of the tech companies who've been tremendously helpful. and to understand again, what's going on out there, who can we reach? how can we reach people? and we've also developed a system called social listening. it's not just about talking to people, it's listening to them. what are they hearing, what are they thinking? what do they need from us? because we're no good if we're not responding to what people out there in the world are thinking, doing and oh, what we really want is to be acting on things that are going to protect their health and protect their lives. oh jeffrey. so the pandemic is coming to an end, the end is inside according to the wi chart. so why do we need to fight anymore?
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why don't we just like stop like this all as many over let's just move on to something else. well, dr. teeters did say that the end is in sight and a lot of media pick that up. but the other w h o experts at the press conference also said that we can expect more cases. we can expect possible waves that it's possible maybe even probable that we'll see new variance and possibly variance of concern. so it was really for me, it's a sense of guarded optimism. we were in a good spot, we have vaccines. we have great knowledge now about the virus, how it spreads, how to address the disease, both preventing it and treating it. but we, i do not think the end, if the end is in sight, it certainly allusive and insight far down the road now is the time not to let up our guard. i'm especially heading, at least in this part of the world, into the ottoman winter months where people will be inside more we can expect more transmission. and that's fertile ground for our new variance. margaret,
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the end is in sight perhaps a little bit too early. those words well, i think i need to correct the as jeffrey said, that wasn't entirely all that he said he's the sentence act. he is, we are not there yet, but the end is in sight. and he went on to say, we can see a potential finish line but, but now is the worst time to stop running. so the message was we can get there, but we have to do so much. and all the things jeffrey, mention as, as a country goes into the cool months. oh, into a period when you all crowded and close together, have a mass gatherings. when transmissions much more likely, that's when you have to, to go precaution. that's when you have to think again about perhaps wearing masks. if you're in chronic conditions, as when you have to have the windows open, we have to get serious about ventilation. we have not seen nearly the kind of efforts to improve ventilation, improve working conditions, improve schools,
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all the things that lead us here. we've got to change and, and the work must be done. now jeffrey lazarus are just very, very quickly. so want to come to serve as well, but very quickly, are these 6 policy briefings this new optimism from the w a chart. is this just for coven 19? or is this future proofing for further variance for a different type of disease as well as the information being able to be carried? it is absolutely future proofing as you put it. i mean, these are the kinds of messages that are relevant now and are going to be relevant in future. i mean, i think we have to agree. the goal is to end this pandemic as a public health threat. these policy briefs contribute to it, but we need again, both governments but also with input from the population to have a stronger strategy or plan. when i worked at w h o and we worked on the nature of the strategy, we had public hearings and then it was approved by the member states. so we need that kind of engagements that people feel a part of it that they're heard,
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but that ultimately the governments of the world are taking these decisions and financing what needs to be on the activities to carry them out, whether it's vaccine production and distribution on rugs, ventilation, etc. sorry, you've heard of her guess in dublin and geneva optimistic about the future just very quickly. you know, well, we're thinking about the future. there's still a present, so i heard, now's the time to run harder. the economic challenges are come with this pandemic, our current, their presence $30000000.00 jobs up in mass food prices. our fuel prices are up can continue to lease to $85000000000.00 just to show the economy. 20 to be african countries are now either back bankrupt or higher and higher is the big back up. so it feels like a lot to think about the future when the president is so dire. so, and we feel like we need to link it. it's a health crisis, but awesome economic crisis and for african countries. we are right now in the
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middle of and i want to thank all our guests in geneva, margaret harris in dublin, jeffrey lazarus and in a boucher sarah america. and i want to thank you as well for watching. now you can see the program again anytime by this thing, all websites out there dot com. and further discussion goes, well, facebook page at facebook dot com forward slash ha inside story. and you can also join the conversation on twitter. we are at asia inside story from me around cone and altima. i for know ah, a footballer, a doctor and a pioneer, bruce sport. he lost the chance to play for his country. what won a legal battle that paved the way for a generation of brazilian players footballing legendary captain r introduces off one scene of penalized buyers club for his political beliefs. he
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