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with the stated goal of showing their resolve in the face of renewed threats from north korea. the last time this kerio was here was 5 years ago. again, at a time of height intentions, which followed a series of missile launches and even a nuclear test by north korea. in the years, in between these exercises have very much been scaled back as a way of trying to allow this phase of summit diplomacy to work, to get the north koreans to give up their nuclear weapons. that hasn't happened and with p o young. now, announcing that it has arrived as a nuclear power and it's up to the world to deal with that fact that does seem to be a mark shift in the position of the us and its allies, republican korea. so one of the most successful alliances in the world, we have a history of shared blood share common value, and have a clear vision for a free and open. these exercises always enraged the north,
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which claims that they are a rehearsal for war and seems to confirm its view that it needs to hold onto its much pressure nuclear arsenal at all costs as a guarantee of its survival and what it sees as a hostile world ah, this is all just say that these soft stories, at least 80 migrants have died as a boat capsized off the coast of syria, city and authorities. a 20 people have been rescued, but many more are still missing. most of those on board were lebanese muscle control regions and eastern southern ukraine of voting. and whether it become part of russia, referendums are taking place in the hands don't yet because up of the show and hustle until tuesday, keven is western. i'd say the votes of sham and it's an unlawful land grab how the, the, how many has moved from for cross and ukraine. this is a process that started back in 2014 and discipline is started making day planes
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back then. they have been calling for days ever since air back then. no, but it took several steps. the 1st step was the 1st they declared their self proclaimed republics of danielle and new dance. that was involved very luck for a while, a long while, 8 years, not recognized by anyone, including russia. then just 2 days before the war president vladimir putin gave a speech in which he recognized these 2 are republics. and then after that, this is the 3rd step program demonstrations are taking place in iran, including in the capitol to run the scene as a response to days of protests after the death of 22 year of masa armine in police custody un secretary general antonio gutierrez, has requested an urgent report into the allegations of abuse counted out by aid workers that are you and run camp and self sudan and investigation by al jazeera
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and a non profit news agency called the news humanitarian as exposed a years of widespread sexual abuse at a camp for displaced people in malcolm, british governments unveiled and economic package, which includes measures designed to tackle wising energy prices of the juice, inflation and tax cuts. chancellor casa katerina says the plan will help lower the cost of living with the issue where it was the headlines coming up next and al jazeera, it's inside story, good by ah, sued for the art of the sale, donald trump and his family, accused of massive financing for a for me, years president is dismissed, the lawsuit which hung. so will his latest legal woes weaken of cement his
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political standing? this isn't hostile. ah, and i walk into the program. i'm him wrong heart. donald trump has branded himself as the ultimate self made billionaire. he boasts about creating an empire on the back of his impeccable business skills. but the you a state where he made his name says his success was built on lies and fraud. new york's attorney general, his fight a civil lawsuit against trump, his organization and 3 of his children are accusing him of inflating assets to secure better loans and insurance policies. one bank estimates the trump building in manhattan is worth about $220000000.00. the trumps put its value at more than double that and the luxury morrow lago resort in florida likely worth around
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$75000000.00 was valued at nearly 10 times that amount. the attorney general wants to trumps. we banned for life from working for a new york company, prevented from having any dealings with the states banks for 5 years, and to pay a quarter of a 1000000000 dollars in damages. this conduct can not be brushed aside and dismissed as some sort of good faith mistake statements. a financial condition were greatly exaggerated, grossly inflated objectively false, and therefore fraudulent and illegal claiming you have money that you do not have does not amount to the art of the deal. it's the art of the steel door, tom pers labeled the allegations another which hunt he's called leticia james, racist and accused her of filing lawsuit to win reelection writing. i never thought
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this case would be brought until i saw her really bad poll numbers. she is a fraud who campaigned on the get trump platform. now we'll go to a guess in a moment, but 1st let's have a look at the other investigations into the former president. there's a criminal probe into is possible mishandling of classified information last month the f b, i searched his mar, logo home. there's also the january 6th attack and the storming of the capital by his supporters trump statements and behavior a part of this investigation. and then there's his alleged efforts to overturn george's 2020 presidential election results. and he's accused of pressuring the secretary of state to find votes to rebirth. jo biden's victory ah, there's brain, i guess. in london, greg swenson, chairman of republican overseas u. k. in washing d. c. t man, the sloane partner at some strategies and a former federal prosecutor and in birmingham u. k. scott lucas,
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a professor of international politics of the clinton institute at university college dublin. a welcome to you. all. i want to begin in washington dc. with melanie sloane, this is a civil lawsuit. it's not a criminal one. however, is there a smoking gun here? is there something that could put donald trump in and his family in real difficulty? well, a, from a former president's perspective, this may be the most troubling at investigation that he has to deal with. he's facing the possibility of being barred from real estate in new york for 5 years and having the leadership of the trump organization taking away from him. so i'm sure he's quite worried about that. in addition, this case has also been referred to the u. s. attorney for the southern district of new york and the internal revenue service, there is the possibility of tax fraud. the sheer number of allegations of improper valuation of his properties could well have serious tax consequences for the former
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president. but melanie, this is all just part the rough and tumble of you know, neil real estate. i mean, i can't imagine real estate vend somebody in that business. mean honesty isn't a word we associate with those people. this is just business of the days that i think that's gonna be a tough argument for mr. trump to make it in his deposition. earlier this year, he took the 5th amendment and a huge number of times when asked about the valuation of his properties. and that will be used in any kind of trial where there will be a strong inference of guilt in that case, for taking the 5th that wouldn't happen in a criminal trial. but in the civil trial, it does so there will be the inference that he indeed knew that he was miss valuing the properties, which i will contribute to a finding of guilt. obviously, he will argue that there was no intent to defraud but, and the fact that he has no emails, i have very rarely emails will,
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will obviously help him because across the government will need to show that he had the intent to defraud. but again, there is a plethora of evidence at lined up against him. this is a very long, long civil complaint. but we are still at the beginning of this process. undoubtedly mister trump will be filing a motion to dismiss and we will see how it goes. but he also is facing additional jeopardy from this investigation, as i said, because it has been referred to criminal authorities as well. well, let me bring in greg swinson here in london. you're the chairperson of the of republicans overseas. there's a litany of charges, not just this one, but there's a listening case is being brought against donald trump. how can you still defend him? oh, i'm not sure i had to send the president on, on any of these individual cases, you know, on the road. i think, but i think there's a long history of this and it's really been going on for 6 years. specifically with tis james, it's been going on for 3 years. so, i mean,
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there might have been some disappointment that she wasn't able to come up with a, with a criminal case, nor was, nor was the manhattan da able to come up with a criminal case. so i think that might have been a disappointment, but this is a, you know, on top of, you know, what started in 2016 with the russia collusion, hopes, whichever, you know, many people seem very confident that that would, you know, in some way and the president's political career and it turned out to be a hook. so, you know, it's a long list. i, i probably would argue that the one that's most who should be, what most worth, worrying to the president is the handling of classified documents. not that, you know, i have a view on whether that will work or not, but again, it's just another, it's another case in the long list of attempts to, you know, to, to criminalize president trouble. i'm not sure this one will work. i doubt it will . and you know, if you look at what happened at the rate of moral log, moral logo, i'm not sure what the intentions were. but you know,
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the president was up 9 point so veranda santa's 4645 to 36 prior to the raid. and after the raid, the 1st paul came out with trump up $39.00. so if anything, it's probably generates some sympathy for the president, i'm sure he will not do well in manhattan. i think there's plenty of support for tis james in manhattan. but if you look at the other burrows, they're really concerned about crime in the city and the lack of prosecution by tis james. and i think they'll be so disappointed in especially amongst the minority communities who are the ones suffering from the crime wave. and if anything, this is a distraction away from the real, you know, the real issues that are important to new yorker so who knows what will happen in terms of the civil case. but i'm not, i'm not confident it's really going to hurt the president that much will come to scott lucas now, who's in birmingham. scott is the case of teflon done the fact that nothing can
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touch him and it's just a distraction? well, it is a case of making sure that we cut through politics and this information, like melanie did stick with the facts. first of all, the wider context is, is that donald trump may have escaped justice. but he, in fact, or his campaign did collaborate with russia in 2016 to get him elected. that is on the record. in the more report, donald trump tried to blackmail a country ukraine, the country which is now at ward. so because it would not spread disinformation against his opponent in the 2020. what should joe biden? donald trump is facing subtle and criminal investigations over his attempts to overturn the 2020 election. he is facing investigation over his puzzle incitement of violence in the capital attack. and he was facing the multiple financial cases. contrary to what greg said, this was not
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a political campaign by the new york state attorney general leticia james. it was a legal case based upon a great deal of evidence, evidence obtained the site years of trunk, trying to block those documents being provided. contrary to what greg said, the manhattan criminal investigation is not over. they have decided not to go to the grand jury for the moment, but the impact is melanie said, is that the findings in the james investigation, the civil investigation, having been handed over to the manhattan district attorney, may mean that they now renew, going to the grand jury, i'm not talking here about political pro trop, or anti trump. i'm talking here about the operation of the us legal system. and the danger here is that politics and this information is not just a case of saving proper, defending him. teflon don, it's undermining the system which has to continue after he has gone one day, whether it's behind bars or somewhere else, or let's bring in many sloan him only. it is very difficult to separate the
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politics from of the investigations here as a film of federal prosecutor when you're talking about high profile cases like this, how much of the politics of this are you aware of? and how is that influencing? well, obviously the politics are very significant in that mr. trump is going on television and insisting that if anybody goes after him, any prosecutors take on cases. they're pacing potential mob violence. so he's trying to bring in his supporters to stop any kind of criminal case, which i, scott said, and that would just be anti democratic me. we are facing really a crisis in our democracy. the thought that there would be mob rule to stop viable prosecution is a terrifying thing. i want to correct something that greg said earlier, which was that his james didn't bring a criminal investigation, suggesting that somehow she didn't have the evidence for that. she didn't have the
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jurisdiction to bring a criminal in cray, a criminal charge here, that's not not her role in the if the attorney general's office. so she's not the person for that or her office is not the right office. there is, however, another important criminal case going to trial shortly, which is against the trump organization for a conspiracy and all sorts of criminal violations. and alan weisberg, the former chief financial officer of the trump organization, who had to plead guilty earlier this year to criminal charges. is that to testify in that case. and so we should expect to see some very interesting information coming out about potential fraud. trump organization coming from his testimony to that to is yet another. that's where mr. trump is facing liberal legal jeopardy. and of course, don't forget, he also is facing the state investigation in georgia over the calls to brad rapids, burger and the attempt to quote, find votes in and georgia. and then there is also the justice department's january
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6 inquiry which remains ongoing as the also the house of representatives is conducting a parallel investigation into january 6. and mister trump's role in inciting the insurrection. greg, at what point to the republicans just turn around and say, you know, there are too many legal cases where there's too much smoke. go a deal with all of this and stop trying to lead and be the senior most famous republican on the planet. it's not helping us. yeah, that's a great question. and ron and there's, there's a significant number of republicans that would prefer that someone else runs in 2024. you know, for a number of reasons. one is that the president will be 78 years old on election day . the other is he can only serve one term, and i think there's a lot of scar tissue in the party about the, the special elections in the, in georgia. melanie mentioned the georgia election, you know,
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that was really disappointing to many of us in the party that, you know, the president was too focused on his own, you know, his own ego, or, or looking back at the, at the november 2020 election instead of focusing on the special action which cost the republicans, the senate, so you know, there is some scar tissue there. as i mentioned before, there was a move in a gradual narrowing in the polls between trump and specifically ron de santis, but also trump in the other potential candidates, you know, up until the rate at morrow logo and not actually if the intention was to, to draw attention to trump, to, to elevate him in the polls. it worked, if the intention was to never have trumped the president again, i think it backfired. so look, i think we have to remember that the, the, the audience in america, the voters, are often will see these things as with chance. i know that's the term that the president uses are not necessarily agreeing with them. but this is, you know, the last of a long list of assaults or attempts to defame the president that's again started
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with the russia collusion hoax. i scott and i am, i'm sure we'll always disagree on this, but you know, many of them are much of this information is coming out currently. you know that it was fabricated by the hillary clinton campaigns with the support of re i and such role play. that's a lot out. lot happy to stick to fact, scott happy decided i'd love to you. i'd love to have a reunion with all the people who were telling me in 2018 that he colluded with the rush. lizzie, and that this is a let me give craig, let's go 3 eggs and this gets go through. actually i'll bring you both and again, let me give you one of them. always of you. by scott 3, i get not when you hear the pots greg, but molar report finds that there is an ongoing contact and collaboration between the trump campaign and the russians throughout 2016. both members of the campaign and informal important advisors like roger, stung the more investigation,
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finds that, that collaboration included the dumps over hillary clinton's e mails that had been stolen by the russians. the more of the court finds that at least 8 occasions, or at least educations, there is substantial evidence the trump either obstructed justice or attempted to obstruct justice. the only reason why trump was not prosecuted under the report was not because it was a hoax. but because moore was told by the justice department, you do not have jurisdiction to indict a sitting president. the only reason why that happened and asked for your dis, information that there was a democratic plot that goes on. that is part of the discredited durham investigation which after years of wasting taxpayers, my friends, a couple of minor cases that you no results and is now being shut down. so let's stay for the 1st. this is not there is writing, did they not all try says it's
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a you're going to, you don't to leave a whole. we get bogged down is attending with a whole week down in the details of all of this. that is fascinating, but i want to keep the, i want to keep us on topic i want and bring in melanie here. all of this is just goes to show you how remarkably political all of this is we're arguing about, you know, what facts were, who did, what the, you know, and how difficult then is it for somebody like james to bring the civil lawsuit in this atmosphere. i think there is, of course, concern about the politics, but we are a country that is based on the rule of law, and it can't be that i have prosecutors and people in a hurry over our criminal and civil laws. simply look aside while trump violates all of our laws and do nothing simply because there are so many people who will support him no matter what he does. as he very famously said, if he could shoot somebody on 5th avenue. and that was years ago,
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he said that in his abs, clearly true it's, there is literally nothing that his supporters wouldn't back him for doing it. i don't know if many of your viewers would have heard this, but last night mr. trump very crazily said on sean hannity to sean hannity last night on an interview that he could have declassified those documents that were a moral ago just by thinking about it. and he just thought that they were declassified. that would constitute declassification as if somehow that is a real is something could do such a thing, and i'm sure that millions of americans will say sure if he just thinks about declassification, that's ok. but that doesn't mean prosecutors can look aside while mr. trump violates rules of law and they have to do their jobs, even if mr. trump sadly did not do his a girl wanna bring you back in to her. what have you think of these cases, whether you think they're a political, which on what you think the know, all of them are incredibly difficult to prosecute. all of them are fraught with
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having to gather evidence against somebody who over. so kids and actually downright lies about things and often contradicts himself here in this particular case, this, this civil law. so we are having a prosecutors are very concerned that the, the emails just aren't there to prosecute this case. that's a big challenge for them. but the other challenges for them is trumps legal team. trump has stiffed many, many, many lawyers. he doesn't have the kind of high profile legal team that he's going to need for this, right? not any will i would i would agree with that. im ron, i mean the president has, has a habit of, of, you know, sort of self destructing with some of his bravado and it is difficult for people to work for him that the turnover is high. so, you know, i'd have to agree that it doesn't, you know, so it's really hard to, to anticipate the outcomes of these things. but i think there should just be a little compassion for the voters who have seen this go on for a long time. and yes, melanie's right, there are a number of republicans who are,
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who are supportive of the president no matter what. but they're also seeing, you know, the scott mentioned just information or misinformation. we hear that word a lot and these are the same voters, the who saw, you know, for example, that the hunter bite and laptop that was basically censored by facebook and twitter in october of 2020. and i will study, you might not agree with me or not. mean you might agree with the version, but it has nothing to do with a diversion right there. but that's what voters say. and i see that both right, most allows you put it out there because you put it on here. it's not really 70 percent of the voters. you're not voted for if, if they had known about the disinformation and you know that or what was called this information by the 50, you know, former f b i or john justice professional. so look, this has gone on for a long, you know, for 6 years it probably peaked in, you know, in the fall of 2020 some. so it'll look that just, you know, have to,
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i think there has to be some understanding that voters are seeing this information from both sides and that's, it has strong. this information is a very, very strong word greg. and it, it is a very strong to read it. you'll use a never let me just let me just read just a 2nd. but it's a very strong word. you're using amendment, and you're also saying that there is a note there. this is coming to a peak, but there are several lawsuits. there are several investigations open into donald trump. ok now school 3 of you the same question or begin the scope 1st scope. this is the president of the united states of america. the fact that this is happening to him, is it a damning indictment of the problems of us democracy? or is it a praiseworthy thing that the u. s. democracy system is doing? it's a damning indictment of the man who is under investigation for his business and financial practices. but even more importantly, as melanie highlighted, it is
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a critical moment for the u. s. system. it's a critical moment for the authority of the u. s. system. it's legal system foremost, but also its political system, which is that any person in the united states, even a former president, must be accountable, must be able to be investigated by the law. that no person should be able to trample upon the legal system, or to corrupt the political system, to avoid investigation, to avoid prosecution. and if found guilty to avoid responsibility melanie lately, sorry, we already have time to do when i come to our other guests as well. melanie, the same question to you. is it a dummy indictment or is it praiseworthy? i agree with everything. scott said, i think it is. what we have seen is that the court system has been the last ball work of democracy. while so much has not worked at trump has been able to trample
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on so many of the norms of our democratic system and has really brought us to a press a p. we are seeing that the legal system is, is the ball work and protecting us, for example, with the 11th circuit coming out with the opinion yesterday, saying that indeed the f. b, i investigation can continue into the classified information and even the judge that john mr. trump himself picked to be the special master, not taking his side in that. so we are seeing that the, the legal system is, is protecting us and hopefully it will stand a greg the same question to which hunter or is this justice doing her job? well, i would say it's praiseworthy. i mean, look at the institutions work and it's fair and balanced. and they, you know, we'll, we'll charge, you know, democrats as well as republicans, if they, if they suspect there's a crime, go ahead, bring it on. i think the institutions will, will work and they will outlive all the drama that we're seeing right now. but remember tish tish james ran her basic campaigns. trad,
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it's you was. i'm going to get trump. so it's hard to separate the politics. i wish that she would focus as much attention on looking after the minority communities in the, in the, for burroughs, outside of manhattan, who are suffering the worst from the surgeon. crime, thanks to prosecutors like to change what we are going to be looking at this a lot a do see you shaking your head that very, very quickly because we all ring out. so i'm, why are you shaking your head? because you don't craze. the legal system and say it must be upheld. and then watch an ad hominem attack on the new york attorney general for doing the job of trying to see that justice is served. that's irresponsible, and i do hope great doesn't try that again. well, i want to thank ola gas in london, greg henson in washington dc. melanie sloane and in birmingham u. k. scott lucas, and i want to thank you take for watching as well. like to see the program again. any time by visiting all websites out there,
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