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is so arrogant, despite this that he is so arrogant, despite this image of humility and authenticity, whatever that means that you wonder whether he does want to fix it. like any opposition minister i think he wa ns to any opposition minister i think he wans to be prime minister. do you? that is the impression one gets from him, now, the question is will he make it to 2020 when the elections comes up make it to 2020 when the elections comes up there won't be a leadership challenge this year, there is no question after the debacle last year they can do it. they are working on a possibility for 2018. . they can do it. they are working on a possibility for2018. . he might not make the chance of getting to a general election. ? you wonder whether there is going to be pressure on theresa may to call an election. you think he should. i do. it st what did for gordon brown, he didn't have the man tait, that he was crowned rather than oman date. he succeeded to power rather than won it. if she went to the country
with this sort of lead, she would most likely increase her majority, which then at least she can say, i now have a mandate, and that gives hera now have a mandate, and that gives her a mandate. it means she can in a way silence or at least neutralise some of the critics in our own party on such a slim majority, i it would help the country because it would force labour to do something. she said she won't do it, which is the first thing and the second is i am sure she is conscious that political parties get punished by voters if it likes like they are doing it for their own narrow interests. it wouldn't be, she would argue it was for the public interest and it would be... if she changes her mind that is how she would argue it. quickly, let us finish off with an amazing discovery. i think this is my favourite story. it is fab isn't it. back to the sunday telegraph. this
is some workmen working at lambeth palace and they discovered the tombs of five former archbishops going back to the early 17th century. they found it because they put down a mobile phone, and they discovered that there was a hidden stairway, and beneath that was a brick lined vault and in the brick lined vault we re vault and in the brick lined vault were all these led coffins. it is amazing, the really good thing i think is so fantastic is the details have been kept secret up until now, to make it all safe, to make the vault safe, because the museum is going to have a grand opening next month. a great line from the site manager, he says we see lots of bones but we knew this was different the moment we spotted an archbishop's crown. on that note, we are finishing off on the sunday telegraph there, i hope you will join us in half an hour, for our fine the paper, coming up next, it is meet the author. stay tuned
oklahoma in the 1920s and the true story of a murder conspiracy that absorbed and shocked america, and epitomised the darker side of the wild west and all its lingering lawlessness. native americans being herded into reservations and dismissed as inferior red indians. then the oil gushes sprouting out of the prairies and changing everything. and eventually a conspiracy fuelled by greed and jealousy that became one of the obsession is of the young j edgar hoover and his new fbi. david grann's book killers of the flower moon is a trip into the story of the osage people, a journey into a part of american's past that's closer than we sometimes think. welcome. david, this is a fabulous melodrama, but it's also a human story
that is full of tragedy. when you lifted the lid on this series of murders in oklahoma in the early 20s, apart from knowing you had stumbled across a wonderful story, how did it affect you? i've written so many stories, this was the one that was probably the most emotionally draining. i worked on it for nearly half a decade and i began to collect victors, photographs, of the victims. and i would keep those photographs by my desk as i worked on the project. the real tragedy was, as i began the project, i thought there were, you know, so many victims, a dozen, and then a dozen grew to two dozen and by the end of the project i was looking at scores of victims who were caught up in this incredibly sinister conspiracy.
and of course, they were native americans. red indians, as we grew up to call them in an earlier age. and they faced the most terrible problems in their lives. the land was removed, the discrimination was at a level that we can barely imagine. and then they discovered that black oil was coming up through their land and they became rich. the way the story begins its extraordinary, it takes you to another planet. yes. i mean, it's amazing. so, the osage suffered the same fate as so many native american communities and tribes and nations in the united states, which is that they were driven off their land. they once controlled most of the midwest. thomasjefferson referred to them of that great nation. and then within a few years, they had to cede millions and millions of acres. and eventually they were driven to this little corner of north—east oklahoma. they went there because they thought the land was rocky and fertile and they said the white men will finally leave us alone.
so they go there, and lo and behold they are sitting on some of the largest deposits of oil in the world. and overnight they became millionaires. they became the richest people per capita, not only in the united states, but in the world. and they lived in mansions. it was said at the time that each american might own one car, each osage owned 11 cars! the car had come, it was within the 20th century, this story, but it is the wild west! it is the last remnants of the wild west. its lawless, its outlaws... power hungry... pistol shooters... and because of the oil, this area drew, it was like a magnet for every kind of outlaw. getty arrived on the train. all the great oil men made their fortune in the osage. getty, sinclair... all the great names we associate with oil barons, they all made their fortune in the osage. and in the midst of it, you tell the story of a real set off
murders, a conspiracy, what we would now call a cover—up, and a target for the nascent fbi, hoover the new director sitting in washington, sending his men in undercover to try to sort this out. yes. and yet it's a story that is, it's better than fiction. yeah, it is crazier than fiction. it was hard to believe. what's amazing about this story is it has been almost excised from history, partly because of racial prejudice. i had known nothing about this story when i started writing it. and yet it was huge. across america. it was big in its day, yeah. it was big in its day. it became the nascent fbi's first major homicide case. it became] edgar hoover at age 29 doing hisjob, believe it or not, insecure about his security and holding onto hisjob. it became his first big case. and after they badly bungled the case and, just to give one example of that, they recruited an outlaw, appropriately named blackey, to go in undercover to use as an informant. instead, he slips away, robs a bank and killed a police officer.
j edgar hoover is sitting in washington petrified that he might actually lose hisjob, that his streams of a bureaucratic empire might end. he turns the case over to an old frontier lawman, an agent named tom white. tom white puts together an undercover team and it is like something out of oceans 11. something out of oceans 11. texas rangers come in. yeah, texas rangers. they have one guy pose as an insurance salesman. he used to sell insurance. he actually opens an insurance store in town. he's selling real policies. the most amazing thing is, too, that the undercover team included an american indian agent, and this was remarkable because there was so much prejudice at the time, he was probably the only american indian or native american in the bureau at the time. and in the midst of this, you uncoverfor us a conspiracy, the nature of which we won't reveal because it would spoil it for readers, and subsequently a sensational trial. that i think goes deep into the american story and the sense that you can see through this prison, with all its melodrama and bloodstained detail, the emergence of a real system of laws and order.
in the 19205, it took that long. yes, this was really the emergence of what i would call professionals, an effort to professionalise law enforcement. one of the things that shocked me was just how lawless the country was, how untrained sheriffs office was, how widespread corruption was. so this was an attempt to professionalise the art of detection. the amazing thing about tom white is, he began his career riding on a horse when justice was meted out by the end of a barrel of a gun and by the 1920s he was working this case, he's wearing a suit and a fedora, trying to work out how to study fingerprints, handwriting analysis, and he has to file paperwork, which he can't stand. this is a magical story. but as you said when we began, it's also a very painful story. what did you learn about your country in the 1920s that you hadn't really thought of?
you know, i was shocked, even though you grow up hearing about racial prejudice, the degree of racial prejudice that allowed these crimes to go on. these were crimes of greed and avarice but they were carried out without consciousness because the targets and the victims were native americans, and in their minds and many of the killers, these were seen as sub humans. and because of that, these crimes are covered up. i guess the thing that shocked me most is we tend to think about murder stories with a singular evilforce, right? you have one really bad man and the whole kind of concept of a mystery, both in fiction and in nonfiction, is you capture that badman, you'd expunge it and you feel better about society. what happens when you have a crime
story where the whole of white society, the whole town, is possibly complicit in it? finally, how have the osage people you have been in touch with reacted to the telling of the story and the fact that it will now be read by millions of people? yeah, i mean, i didn't know when i began the project how people would receive me and the desire to tell the story, and i was struck that the osage were remarkably generous, because they carried the story inside them for so many years. and so for them i think the chance to share the story, that it might receive its place in history in a wider audience, at least so far i experience has been extremely positive. david grann, author of killers of the flower moon, thank you very much. thank you so much. there are still one or two showers
around at the moment but most go into the night clear and increasingly cold. that sun made it feel pleasant through the afternoon. a different day on the way, the satellite imagery is on its way in. a slow process but bringing rain in northern ireland, south—west scotland, north—west england, north and west wales, one or who showers in northern scotland. most will be dry through the night and with clearer skies in the east, temperatures already dropping away rapidly, there will be a frost in a few spots to take us into the morning, one thing to note, certainly if you are a keen gardener, temperatures could be below freezing. what you have to beard, below freezing. what you have to heard, this could be further north, leading to a it briers day in southern scotland, maybe a cloudier day in the south or vice versa, it sta rts day in the south or vice versa, it starts off damp in northern ireland, that patchy rain, drizzle pushing
eastwards into the afternoon, so if you are out at lunchtime on easter sunday, it is across the northern half of scotland, where we will see sunshine on and off throughout the day. less a breeze so it will feel a touch warmer, southern scotland maybe brighter than shown on there, but equally the cloud may laing linger longer. northern ireland brightening up round lunchtime. but northern england and eastern england cold has the cloud sits if place. fast south—west however, should just about get away with dry and bright weather throughout. maybe in southern wales and brighter skies finish the day in northern england and northern ireland. that rain clears away from the south—east though, as we head into the night. open the door to northerly winds to ta ke open the door to northerly winds to take us into easter monday, and with it, the return of some colder air once again, so a chilly day for all, once again, so a chilly day for all, on easter monday, a bit of frost here and there, we start with clear skies and sunny condition, one or two showers pushing down in that breeze, most will spend the day dry,
eve ryo ne breeze, most will spend the day dry, everyone if it is only one or two interruptions to rain. nice in the south. chilly night will follow, however and a more widespread frost in the country side to take us into tuesday, morning, and those frosts become more of a feature necks week and while we have the frost by night, many by day will have a bit of dry and sunny weather to look forward to. take care. this is bbc news. the headlines at 11:00 — in syria — dozens of people have been killed and many more injured by a suicide car bomb as they waited to be evacuated to safe areas. the blast near aleppo struck a convoy of buses as thousands of people were being moved from two besieged towns. north korea parades what are thought to be the country's first intercontinental ballistic missiles — amid fears it is moving closer to a long—range nuclear arsenal. everton football club bans sun journalists from its grounds following a controversial column by kelvin mackenzie about one of its players.