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to connect somewhere with the voters? you have seen people on there tonight saying that they think, you ukip's job is done. that is because we were so successful in doing what we did in getting the referendum and winning the referendum. so many people who actually think that theresa may is going to deliver this brexit. she is not. if you look at what they plan to do, at the end of three years, after the referendum nothing will have changed. we have seen stories of 100 billion euros. which i think was cooked up betweenjuncker and mrs may. you are not sure who the voters trust? i'm not sure they trust anybody. they can trust ukip because we have done what we said over the last 20 years. thank you. well, we have assembled
a new political panel as befits the new era. paul mason, guardian columnist, is here, as is ian dale, lbc radio presenter and polly mckenzie, special advisor to nick clegg until 2015. great to have you all here. paul, this was an overwhelmingly good day for the tories, wasn't it, you presumably concede it? 0verwhelmingly good day for hard brexit. we have seen dramatic events of su bsta nce. it's not been a week of flimflam. theresa may picked a real fight with the european union. walked away dramatically — she did her own bit. walked away and created a diplomatic situation which i think has drama advertised in the minds of former ukip voters the whole situation. we have an alliance of tories and ukip. that is new. that can win any election it wants to. aggressive alliance isn't going to work? it redoubles the need for that half of british politics it redoubles the need for that half of british politics that believes in progressive politician, globalalism, we need to stop
fighting each other. we need to work out, it's entirely possible, how we can stop that tory ukip alliance taking britain off the cliff edge into an economic catastrophe. into wto rules which isn't a cliff edge. let's see the tory manifesto calling for it. that's the.., — into nobody is saying that they want to go down that direction. it's not the disaster that people try to present it as. it's the way we trade with the rest of the world, as you well know. ian, if you are right and if this is going to direct towards a big majority in a months time. this is the chance for her to do a radical manifesto, isn't it? she can push through anything she wanted. will she? i don't think she will. she has been a cautious politicians. over the past few weeks she proved to be anything but a cautious politicians. first of all by calling the election. second of all, doing the speech on tuesday and wednesday
in downing street where she took the fight to the european commission. paul is right. i think it did have quite an effect. there is talk of a tory ukip alliance. i understand why paul says that that. it's the conservatives trying to win back the ukip votes they have lost over the last 25 years? it's not an alliance doctor who alien they absorbed ukip voters. that's what parties do. the labour party sometimes, sounds like, it doesn't want anybody who ever voted tory to vote for it because they are toxic. where is the remain vote then? it's not going to the lib dems. there hasn't been the resurgence that you were expecting. where are the remainers in this? it's been, no question, disaint poking night it's been, no question, disappointing night for the lib dems and who would have hoped to do better. specially in the leave areas it's
proved it's not possible tojust, sort of, win back areas that the lib dems had once before. in remain areas where the lib dems have a presence there have been points of light, good results for the lib dems. paul is basically right. i don't think i've ever said that before. we need to find a way. none of the parties of the left have anything to challenge theresa may, her popularity, her poise. something about her people like. something needs to change. if she's ever going to stop being prime minister. labour voters ringing in saying — i voted labour every election i could do. there's something about theresa may i like. when i asked them what it is, they can't explain what it is. i think that's a very interesting phenomenon. list of foreign workers who we are going to expel from the british workforce. please. that played well among racist voters. amber rudd, theresa may the tory conference was a racist horse and pony show. this is why labour can't make progress.
we can stop it. labour has to change one thing. in fourweeks? absolutely. it needs to talk about brexit. the one thing labour is doing wrong, yougov showed all party voters the number one issue for them is brexit. for most of them the number two issues is immigration. you are saying corbyn and mcdonnell should stop talk of nhs — they should reframe it what britain you want after brexit. when theresa may maded that speech the instinct of the labour machine was, don't talk about it, don't respond. it's about something we haven't really — an issue we don't own. they needed to own that issue. labour are deeply split on whether we should be leaving at all and exactly what kind of approach you should have. whether it's a free market or socialist approach? let me answer. today proves that any attempt to win
back that part of the electorate that is pro—brexit is a fool's errand for labour. manchester, andy burnham won in almost every ward. manchester is full of tories. plenty of tories, skilled workers and middle—class people. appealing to the inner soul of progress i politics appealing to the inner soul of progressive politics burnham did well. he walked away from jeremy corbyn tonight. they want a traditional, simple message. that that is what he said. patriotism, hard work, law and order. is that where the labour vote is? no. i don't buy that. you called part of the tory vote rayses. you called part of the tory vote racist. i'm sorry. amber rudd and theresa may at their conference wanted us to make list of foreign workers. they were your voters before they went to ukip and the tories. the labour movement. the labour party is a line drawn through working—class communities, between people who support globalism
and internationalism and anti—racism and people who don't. it always existed. we will fight this battle in favour of our principles. the problem is - the challenge - and the greens and the snp should be on the same side. if you have got these blue collar workers, people who voted brexit, who were left behind, who saw wages stagnant she has to deliver for thoem them, who saw wages stagnant she has to deliverfor them, not just about brexit, it may not sol all the problems, about everything pels their life? of course. everyone wants politicians to deliver. the reasonjeremy corbyn isn't delivering at the moment is because he's not actually — he hasn't got a positive vision. we hear doom and gloom about poverty and the rest of it. there are problems in society, i get that. if you are a politician that can't do what tony blair did in 1997 offer a positive vision, the sunny uplands, to the aspirational middle—classes you are not going to win you can't just win appealing to people who have massive problems in their lives. is tim farron the aspirational,
sunny uplands candidate from the progressive alliance then? tim is — has got a clear and coherent vision and a party unified behind it. could you have an alliance with anyone else? the challenge for anyone wanting to form a political alliance is not wanting to draw lines and tell other people they are racist or patriotic or not patriotic. that is the challenge for anyone involved in politics who is naturally very tribal and wants to point out the differences. to be honest, i don't think there is anyone outside of the conservative party, doing a brilliant job of unionifying people who disagree with them, who isening maing to do that, looking beyond themselves and trying to collaborate. back in history, all successful parties are coalitions. they build coalitions between people who believe in 60%, 70% of their platforms.
theresa may won't believe in 100% of the policy platform she puts forward. no—one does in their party. reagan and clinton appealed to people outside their own parties as did thatcher and blair. jeremy corbyn isn't doing that at the moment. theresa may is the most successful politician at doing this. there is no aspiration when you look atjeremy corbyn? absolutely not. a labour spokesman said wait for the manifesto. we have to get the manifesto passed by a committee. that manifesto will be exactly what you want, aspirational, not just for poor people, for middle—class people. we heard no policies so far. all the policies — i would agree there's been a — 20 point plan earlier this week. what will come will be a four or five point plan that has to out drama the drama queen of downing street. i think it will. that's why i'm hoping hopeful we can stop a tory government. we have run out of time.
thank you all very much. thank you for coming in. well, what a pretty exciting day in politics, wasn't it? we wouldn't want you to take that adrenaline with you to bed. so we thought we'd send you off with a reading of something from the boring conference, being held tomorrow. a list of every sneeze one man has made since 2007. good night. 0ne — office, spare bedroom. birmingham, moderate — cropping an image with photoshop elements. two — office, spare bedroom. birmingham, moderate — checking credit card statement on the internet. 2,202 — tv, living room. moderate to strong — detonating an angry bird. 2,203 — tv, living room. moderate — reading amazon reviews by, not about, james ward. 4,703 — kitchen. moderate — vegetarian hotdog—style
sandwich is prepared. 11,704 — kitchen. moderate to strong — bins. 4,705. .. good evening. this she really does make all the difference this time of year. light winds, 20 degrees celsius. the couple of weather watchers. shimmering pictures from ireland and scotland, very little cloud in the sky and very similar tomorrow. slightly more cloud but still bright in sx. because the sun is so high. —— sx. slightly more
complicated already through the south—west. ahead of it moisture building with cloud thickening. the northern half of the country we keep the clear skies, starry skies and frosty weather first thing in the morning with little bit of fog. more complicated for our saturday and weekend. low cloud to the south—west, drizzly rain. central areas hopefully the showers drying out. more cloud for northern england and wales but not for scotland which will have lovely sunshine. cloud likely to hang around. plenty of sunshine through the central low land. northern ireland feeling pleasa ntly land. northern ireland feeling pleasantly warm. the wind picking up further north. more cloud for
northern england and the midlands compared with what we have seen today. again, because the sun is high in the sky, hopefully it will be bright if not with some sunshine. that tends to meander away. we change our wind direction. different areas will see... not see the cloud. more cloud across scotland. hopefully sunshine returns and keeps with us across northern ireland. given the north seas, nine degrees but feeling chillier with the north shore breeze. the good news is, early next week, the dry weather is set to stay with us. notjust early next week, the dry weather is set to stay with us. not just the west. subtle change in wind direction and the east will see little bit more sunshine as well. this is bbc news, i'm reged ahmad. our top stories: french presidential
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