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this is bbc news. i'm shaun ley. the headlines. brexit borders — the government wants business as usual between northern ireland and the republic — ruling out new customs posts. donald trump faces another barrage of criticism over his latest comments about the violence in virginia. he has scrapped two of his advisory panels. the labour mp sarah champion resigns from the shadow cabinet and apologises for her "poor choice of words" in a newspaper article about child abuse. unemployment falls to the lowest level since 1975 — but average earnings are still lagging behind inflation. homes buried under a mountain of rock and mud — six hundred people still missing in sierra leone. also — the royal navy's new flagship arrives home. the 280 metre—long hms queen elizabeth — the navy‘s biggest ever warship — sails into her new berth in portsmouth. and mps will look again at plans to silence big ben forfour years — after the prime minister intervenes.
good evening and welcome to bbc news. the government says that it wants people and goods to be able to move seamlessly across the border between the irish republic and northern ireland after brexit — much as they do today. in their latest proposal for life outside the eu, ministers say there will be no return to check points and border posts. but critics argue the plan raises as many questions as answers — not least, what's to stop eu migrants coming into the uk from ireland through an unsupervised crossing? our ireland correspondent chris buckler gave us this update from narrow water on the irish border. people who live at this border
rarely recognise it. but could all that to change once the other side of this water is still inside the eu and this part is outside of the european union? today, alongside the phrases we have heard so often like there needs to be a seamless border, we heard another from the british government, that there needs to be an unprecedented solution to this modern irish problem. and perhaps that gives a sense of the scale of the challenge facing both the uk and the eu. for more than 300 miles, crossing fields and bridges, roads and rivers, there is a political dividing line on the island of ireland. but it is a border that cannot be seen, and many want it to stay that way. soft toys and cushions are the latest protest against a hard brexit. where some kind of barriers could divide towns like belcoo and blacklion in the republic, they are either side of this bridge and people in areas like this havejobs,
businesses and friends that require them to cross this border regularly. i cross this border quite easily 15, 20 times a day, moving goods sometimes, sometimes just to manage staff, meet people, whatever is involved in daily work. if there is any sort of checks that slow that down or anything else, it is going to create a lot of logistical difficulties. the government wants to return to the days when border huts and customs posts marked where northern island meets the republic. this paper seems to dismiss the idea of a return to infrastructure or cameras at the border. and ministers say they are determined to protect the common travel area. allowing the free movement of people across ireland and britain. ideas and aspirations that will be welcomed beyond these islands and brussels, but ones which raise political and practical difficulties, with claims that it could allow
a back door for people to get into the uk. we do want to ensure that we don't see a return to the borders of the past, we don't see a return to a hard border and that we are able to ensure that the crucial flow of goods and people between northern ireland and the republic of ireland is able to continue in the future. some have raised doubts about the uk's ability to forge trade deals with other countries if it agrees to meet the eu's standards for food and agriculture. and if a customs deal cannot be agreed with the eu, there are questions about what will happen to the billions of pounds of trade carried along these busy border roads. the british government believes technology and online declarations could be used to monitor goods carried by biggerfirms. but there are concerns about smuggling and the irish government has other doubts. i don't believe the island of ireland issues will be resolved
through technology and i believe this paper also accepts that, which is a step forward and i welcome that. it does leave you wondering what the board it is going to look like and if you are outside of the customs union how you police that. we are no clear as to knowing what that is going to be, are we? that is because a negotiation now needs to take place. and there is a will to find solutions in this negotiation because tied up with the politics and practicalities are concerns about the potential impact of peace and prosperity at this, what is currently the softest of borders. our political correspondent, alex forsyth, set today announcements in the westminster context. when is a border not a border. are we getting any kind of clarification as to the preferred government option? we're hearing an attempt to
counter the criticism that they faced about a confused approach and lack of clarity. but there are clear that the document that published todayis that the document that published today is not meant to be a full technical blueprint but meant to address some broad principles. they are trying to show their priorities and that is the idea of frictionless trade and the so—called invisible borders between northern ireland and the public. there are specific about some ways in which that might work, the idea of exempting small and medium—size businesses from customs check, suggesting things like the uk allying with the eu policies on the stand is to negate checks on food and agricultural produce. but of course that all raises questions, if there was an alignment on food standards would that prevent the uk's striking deals with other countries like the us which could have different food regulations. and the question of immigration, a central plank of the referendum campaign about controlling immigration and the government
suggesting perhaps it could be done through a work permit system. it is clear there would be no extra border checks on moving between the island and the uk but already concerns that that could be in essence a back door to eu immigration. so this is an attempt to offer clarity, the detail is welcome but there are plenty saying every idea that you put forward raises more questions about how this will all work in practice. the question of freedom of movement was a pretty important question and played large at least in the campaign in the referendum last year. how will they in theory avoid the situation where perhaps someone flies in from vilnius, might try to look for a job in the republic of ireland and do not find one and drive across to belfast and then get the ferry and before you know it they are in scotland, england or wales, effectively they have got free movement. that is the point being made by the critics, that this
is not offering the control orders promised during the referendum campaign and that was an argument on which many people were thought to have made the decision in the election, about the ability of the uk government to control immigration. but the government has pointed out it is notjust about border controls when it comes to immigration, otherfactors border controls when it comes to immigration, other factors are at play controlling the movement of people, access to jobs, play controlling the movement of people, access tojobs, to play controlling the movement of people, access to jobs, to the labour market, to social security. so the implication is that produced some of those methods to try to control immigration from the eu. they say that they have to respect the obligations that ireland has when it comes to free movement from the eu and there would be no extra checks on people from ireland to the uk. but at the moment there are already checks on work permits that happen for example in northern ireland. so the sense would be that those kind of checks could be extended. all this will come forward in more detail in the autumn when we expect a bit more flesh on the bones
of the proposed post—brexit immigration system for the uk. and all that is then subject to negotiation so we are still way off the endgame and much of this will depend on what the eu is prepared to accept. but we are starting to see in detail some of the sheer complexities of what the government is going to have to try to unpick with the eu as we leave the european union. thank you very much. and we'll find out how this story — and many others — are covered in tomorrow's front pages at 10:40 this evening in the papers — our guests joining me tonight are lord digbyjones, former trade minister and henry bonsu, broadcaster and campaigner. in the last hour, the us president donald trump has scrapped two business advisory councils — after a number of top company heads resigned from them in protest at his comments about the white nationalist rally in virginia over the weekend. a woman was killed in violence surrounding the rally in the city of charlottesville. yesterday, the president repeated his controversial claims
that some anti—fascist protesters were as much to blame as the extreme racist organisations connected to the rally. his remarks were today repudiated by two former republican presidents. our north america editor jon sopel reports. # amazing grace... the memorial service for an antiracism protestor mown down by a white supremacist in charlottesville on saturday, but far from this being an occasion when a nation comes together, america seems more divided than ever. they tried to kill my child to shut her up. well, guess what? you just magnified her. this was charlottesville on friday night, racist groups chanting jews will not replace us, carrying ku klux klan style torches and marching to the slogan white lives matter.
yesterday, the president blamed both sides for the violence that ensued. you had a group on one side and you had a group on the other and they came at each other with clubs and it was vicious and it was horrible and it was a horrible thing to watch. but there is another side. there was a group on this side, you can call them the left, you have just called them the left, that came viole ntly attacking the other group, so you can say what you want, but that is the way it is. it is true there was violence on both sides. but the race hate protesters had come tooled up for trouble. many carried guns. this is not the army, but a right—wing militia that turned up whistling with weaponry. most had clubs, helmets and shields with white supremacists insignia. the antiracism demonstrators were not organisers, they were mostly local people
on whom a small group had come to fight. but donald trump seeming to draw a moral equivalence between swastika carrying neo nazis and antiracism protesters has brought near universal condemnation. the senior republican paul ryan tweeting... the only significant voice of support last night came from the former leader of the ku klux klan david duke, who said... there is reported to be deep unhappiness among some senior white house staff over the president's comments. he had not been due to say anything and significantly, a new intervention, this time from two former republican living presidents george hw bush and george w bush, saying there is no room for bigotry and anti—semitism in today's america. let's speak to our
correspondent gary o'donoghue who's in washington. we're sad news about these advisory councils since that report was filed. ina councils since that report was filed. in a sense they are just a bunch of people but the president invites to give him advice, good for pr to see that he has contact with company bosses. but he has already been quite rude about the ones who have already left unconscious perhaps that others were going to go. the first to go from the manufacturing council was an african american who was, who objected to his comments after saturday after the initial riots. and the president responded just talking about his company as having rip—off drug prices. there has been a haemorrhage of support from those councils, they
have been leaving one by one, another policy forum, people have resigned from that and now the president disbanded it. in a sense of cares, a couple of advisory councils, but the difficulty as these are the great and good, many of them, of american industry and manufacturing. donald trump when he got elected promised to bring manufacturing back to the united states. these were the people that we re states. these were the people that were going to help them do all that. supposedly. recreate those jobs. sta rt supposedly. recreate those jobs. start manufacturing their stuff within the continental us. now he has had to ditch them all, it was absolutely in jeopardy his central promise to the american people. meanwhile he is feeling the heat one presumes from having to former republican presidents actually stepping in and basically saying he has got it wrong. an amazing intervention. two former
republicans, the only two living former republican presidents, a joint statement, unprecedented. talking about there being no place for anti—semitism and hatred of any kind. quoting thomas jefferson, for anti—semitism and hatred of any kind. quoting thomasjefferson, the third president of the us, the man who wrote the declaration of independence, talking about people being created equal, unalienable rights, throwing the founding documents of the united states straight in the face of donald trump. along with a bunch of other republicans, more so in social media than in person, to be fair. but you have got a moment —— are gathering momentum within his own party that just thinks he is on the wrong side of history. and despite what he did on monday when he came out and tried to say all the right stuff, kept to the script, everyone was saying what happens when there is the ad lib moment, the opportunity to go off
piste. we saw that yesterday afternoon in that press conference, it was a car crash of a press conference. it was a slanging match, a shouting match between a president of the united states and the media. and in the white house i think they will be wondering what the way out from this is now because there is little support, the support he has had, the most vocal support he has that has come from a tweet from the former leader of the ku klux klan who said, thank you, president trump. food for thought, thank you very much. and we will get the views of democrat and republican activists later. especially from the ohio black republican association. the headlines on bbc news. the government says it does not want any border posts between northern ireland and the republic of ireland
in its new position paper on brexit. president trump has scrapped two of his own advisory councils, their leaders to quit after his handling of the aftermath of the protest riot in cha rlottesville. the labour mp sarah champion resigns from herfront bench role, and apologises for what she says was an extremely poor choice of words in a newspaper article about child abuse. in a moment — a long—running bin strike in birmingham is suspended after weeks of mounting rubbish caused misery for the city's residents. the labour mp sarah champion has resigned as shadow equalities minister after apologising for an article she wrote in the sun newspaper. in the article — which was published on friday — she wrote that "britain has a problem with british pakistani men raping and exploiting white girls." the mp for rotherham today apologised for what she said was an "extremely poor choice of words". labour leaderjeremy corbyn said he had accepted her resignation. with me now is our political correspondent emma va rdy.
a slow burn, this one. that is right, after that article came out sarah champion was bent on the receiving end of a number of amounts of criticism on twitter, from other labour party members who began calling for her to be sacked over those comments. she wrote the article in response to a court case in newcastle in which a group of mostly asian men had been convicted of grooming and abusing young girls. that was the latest in a series of court cases that was the latest in a series of court cases where we that was the latest in a series of court cases where we have seen groups of asian men, perpetrators of abuse of young girls, being convicted. and these cases have led to questions not only from sarah champion but from a number of authority figures questioning whether ethnicity has played a role in police and social services claiming to get to the truth quickly
enough. that was some of the issues that she was addressing in the article but the word she used, the way in which she was seen to make a sweeping generalisation which caused deep offence led to this mounting criticism. so as you said this evening she has given her resignation saying but she apologises for the offence caused by that poor choice of words. she said she was concerned that continued position in the shadow cabinet would distract from the crucial issues around child protection. and the labour leaderjeremy corbyn has accepted her resignation. but she's not the first person to try to tackle the issue, perhaps others have done it much more diplomatically. for example the home secretary amber rudd following the newcastle court case said that political correctness should not stand in the way of finding the truth. and seeking justice. but sharon bashed the words of sarah champion caused considerable offence and bad mounting pressure on her has led to her resignation which we have
seen led to her resignation which we have seen this evening. the number of people out of work in the uk is now at its lowest level in more than a0 years. there's also been a slight rise in average earnings — but the rise is lower than inflation. our economics correspondent andy verity has details. yes, the rate of unemployment in the uk is at its lowest since 1975. the number of unemployed people is 1.48 million. part of the reason it's such a low rate — 4.4% — is because it's a smaller and smaller percentage of a workforce that keeps growing. there's now a record 32.1 million people in work. with the unemployment rate so low, in theory, wages should take off — because employers need to pay more to attract staff and workers have greater bargaining power. that hasn't been happening. pay rises did improve slightly — the average was 2.1%. but in the past, as you can see here, we used to take it for granted that pay would rise faster than inflation. after the crisis, pay rises started
falling behind price rises, so we could all buy less than before — the big squeeze on living standards. in 2014, that was supposed to have gone away, when pay rises started beating inflation again. but this year, they've flopped back again, so even though the labour market's tight, pay is still shrinking in real terms. they call it ‘the wages puzzle'. the paradox is, we've got super—low unemployment right down to the level that would normally cause an acceleration of wages, but it's not happening. it's not happening here and it's not happening in any country in the developed world, even with low unemployment. for companies like this upmarket motorbike maker, the tight labour market won't be solved by offering higher pay. it simply can't find enough skilled staff to meet demand for the bikes. at the moment, i can't drive the growth as fast as we're able — bizarrely, not because of models or orders or finance, but people.
and it's super frustrating that we can't get the skilled staff to come in and take advantage of the orders that we have. companies used to be able to afford inflation—beating pay rises because every year, each worker produced a little bit more per hour, helped by investment in new technology, training and skills. but that growth in productivity has been absent in 2017. today's figures also show something interesting about the flow of workers into the ukjobs market. 3.56 million people working in the uk are non—uk nationals. that number is still rising, but not as quickly as it has been. in the first three months of the year, it grew by 207,000 compared with a year before. but in the second quarter, it went up byjust 109,000. that's a sharp slowdown. officials in sierra leone's capital freetown, say 105 children are among the 400 people who are known to have died when flooding caused a massive mudslide
on the outskirts of the city. at least 600 people are still missing. martin patience reports from freetown. in freetown the ambulances are rushing not to the hospital but to the main mortuary. they are ferrying the dead, victims buried alive by a landslide. the relatives wait outside to collect their bodies. the stench of death is overpowering. emotions are raw. bishi lost her sister. daniel wasn't home when disaster struck. but he tells me six members of his family are dead, including his wife. they died, they died. the grief and anger is tangible here. this is a nation mourning the loss of hundreds.
and rescue workers say that authorities are hampering their rescue efforts. this gaping scar was once a neighbourhood, but now the scene of a recovery operation on the hoof. diggers have been drafted in but there are no sniffer dogs, not enough body bags. the fear is disease could spread unless hundreds of bodies are found. a trickle of aid is getting through but many like adama are now homeless. i've lost everything, she tells me. martin patience, bbc news, freetown. days of relentless monsoon rains across bangladesh, nepal and india have killed over 250 people. in bihar, in india nearly ten million people have been
days of relentless monsoon rains across bangladesh, affected by the floods while in neighbouring bangladesh three million people have been marooned after several rivers burst their banks. 20 per cent of the country's population in nepal is also affected by the severe flooding. police are investigating a robbery at the showroom of the london jewellers boodles. in footage of the incident a number of suspects emerge from the knightsbridge shop and make off carrying bags of stolen goods on mopeds. they used hammers to smash their way through counter displays. boodles, which specialises in diamonds, say no—one was hurt in the robbery. the long—running bin strike in birmingham has been suspended after a breakthrough in talks between the city council and the union, unite. according to the arbitration service acas the council has agreed to keep jobs at the current pay grade, while the union will consider changing working patterns. this afternoon refuse collections resumed across the city. as sarah bishop reports. back with a smile on their faces, birmingham's binmen have got a deal they are happy with. no downgraded jobs, no loss of thousands of pounds of pay, but in return the council want them
to work a five—day week. we had to make a stand, and we believe we have made a stand, following all the processes, and we have achieved our objective and we are chuffed about that. yes, we've lost money, but now we can move on, pay our mortgages, get back to work and do the job we are supposed to be doing and clear the streets. it has taken 48 days of picketing and protesting to get here, and the unions are claiming it is a victory for the workers. common sense has prevailed. this, ultimately, was about working people being asked to pay for mismanagement and for poor practices of the past. that is not happening, and that is a victory for common sense and my members can be very proud of the role that they played. in neighbourhoods across the city, where rubbish has been festering, there is now relief. hallelujah and thank god for that. it has been such a relief now knowing that they have gone back to work. no more stinking streets in birmingham! it is about time, really.
marvellous, i'm delighted. unions have paid tribute to this man, city council leaderjohn clancy, for his part in brokering this deal. others, though, have been critical of the time it has taken. this dispute has gone on for too long. but it is important to welcome the fact that those involved in the dispute came together and ultimately an agreement was concluded. not least because i cannot remember an event in birmingham where there has been quite this much expressions of public concern as there has been over this dispute. the only words from the council today not ones of delight and relief, just a reminder that no formal position on the dispute will be made until there has been a special cabinet meeting. britain's new aircraft carrier, hms queen elizabeth, sailed into its home port of portsmouth for the first time this morning. she's the largest and one of the most powerful warships ever built for the royal navy.
the ship cost more than £3 billion. huge crowds gathered to watch her arrive, jonathan beale was amongst them. the royal navy has never had a ship of this size before. hms queen elizabeth overshadowed everything around her. including portsmouth harbour, now her new home. a day to remember for the crowds who woke up early to see her in. and even a touch of nostalgia for when britain ruled the waves. it is absolutely thrilling. i was so proud with it going by. it is absolutely amazing. i think it makes the country feel a lot safer. it puts you, you know, above everybody else really, doesn't it? for the past seven weeks the 700 crew have been testing her systems. it is the most complex warship ever built in uk. a symbol of power and pride for the navy. but they believe, for the whole nation too. it puts us, the royal navy and the british armed forces, right back in the premier league.
i think for a global, outward facing country like the united kingdom, as an island nation, completely dependent on sea trade, why wouldn't you want a strong royal navy? this is a big moment for the royal navy. its largest warship entering portsmouth for the very first time. it is also its most expensive warship. and it still needs jets, and other warships to protect her. at a time when the ministry of defence is having to save billions of pounds. this former naval officer says the navy is already struggling to crewjust 19 frigates and destroyers. certainly right now there are not enough ships to protect it, there are not enough submarines to run in advance of it. and this is the worry, if we are not even in a situation right now, having delivered the platform itself, to protect the ship, how are we going to actually use it? on her first visit on board, the prime minister said the ship sent a signal that britain remains a global power. it will be another year before
the first jets fly off this £3 billion ship. the new f 35 will also cost around £100 million each. it is a significant investment and a signal of ambition. but it will stretch already limited resources. jonathan beale, bbc news, portsmouth. house of commons authorities say they will look again at plans to silence big ben forfour years they will look again at plans to silence big ben for four years after the prime minister said that such a proposal could not be right. the belt will be dismantled to allow repairs to the building surrounding it. we find out more about that in the coming days. now i look at the weather forecast. rain is going to be moving east
overnight clearing to sunshine and showers tomorrow. 2a degrees or so across parts of the uk today but rain moving in and getting a bit more organised, turning heavier as it works east overnight. the wind also picking up but clearer skies following into northern ireland and scotland. we will all get some rain for a time overnight and temperatures no lower than around 1a degrees. some rain across england and wales to start off, that should move through during the morning. but some showers in southern england, wales and the midlands. fewer showers and more sunshine for northern england and south east scotla nd northern england and south east scotland for the further showers arriving in western scotland and northern ireland with a mixture of sunshine and showers as we head to the end of the week. and this is bbc news. the headlines.
the government has published its blueprint for a "frictionless" border between northern ireland and the republic after brexit, ruling out new customs posts and surveillance technology. president trump has scrapped two advisory panels he set up, after more business leaders on them resigned over his handling of violent clashes in charlottesville in virginia at the weekend. the labour mp sarah champion resigns from herfront bench role, and apologises for what she says was an extremely poor choice of words in a newspaper article about child abuse. new figures show unemployment falls to its lowest level since 1975, but average earnings are still lagging behind inflation. at least 600 people are still missing after the sierra leone mudslide. the country's president says entire communities have been wiped out. in a moment...we'll be hear why researchers at newcastle university
say england will need an extra seventy thousand care home places by 2025. more now on the publication of a paper which says the government does not want border posts between northern ireland and the republic after brexit. our ireland correspondent, chris buckler, sat down with the irish foreign affairs minister, simon coveney. he began by saying how what we are seeing today is an initial negotiating position not the final outcome. people and once the british government agreed on an approach that bad is it, that will be achieved. but it needs to be agreed with 27 other eu member states including ireland. are there any ha rd including ireland. are there any hard proposals as to what that border would look like? effectively they've said they can't finalise
those hard agreements on the border issues until the customs arrangements and trading arrangements and trading arrangements between the eu and the uk are finalised. that's in phase two of the negotiations so we are not even there yet. they are essentially floating and number of ideas and key principles as to how they will approach this. they are aspirational and reflect a lot of language the irish government has been using in terms of maintaining the status quo, frictionless bore da. what we want essentially is an invisible border which is what we wa nt invisible border which is what we want at the moment. that was described as a fan by people in e you? i think that related to the aspiration of britain to the free
trade agreements with countries all over the world as well as maintaining a barrierto over the world as well as maintaining a barrier to free access. isn't that what is needed if you are going to have this com pletely you are going to have this completely open border between northern ireland and the republic? we are focusing on the island of ireland, trying to maintain the normalisation that's been built. do you see details of how this is going to work? do you understand the technology, if there ends up being a streamlined customs arrangement?” don't think these issues will be resolved through technology and i think this paper accents that too which is why it is a step forward. the very clear language about no physical infrastructure on the border, cameras or anything else, is a step forward... if you are outside
of the customs union then how do you police that? we are now clear to knowing that, are we? the negotiation now needs to take place. what we have today is an approach thatis what we have today is an approach that is clearer and on paper are from the british government. the eu side needs to look at that in order to figure out how we move in that direction, at the british government has said in this paper which poses difficulties is that they cannot see a clear agreement on the issues, the border issues until there is a broader customs arrangement between the eu and the uk as a whole and that may cause problems making significant progress on the irish
issue. the irish foreign minister talking to chris the irish foreign minister talking to chris buckler. the government's proposals promise to uphold the good friday agreement chris morris from our reality check team has been looking in more detail at why the irish border matters so much. the government's proposals promise to uphold the good friday agreement in full and to maintain the common travel area, which allows irish and uk citizens in ireland to travel freely, but the determination to avoid a hard border after brexit is at the heart of the matter. that's because when brexit happens, the uk will suddenly have a major land border with the eu. here it is, between northern ireland and the republic of ireland, running for 310 miles. during the troubles, with tensions on the border there were just 20 official crossings between northern ireland and the republic. the british army shut down, spiked or cratered the rest. but following the good friday agreement, there has been considerable change and now there are more than 260 public roads that cross the border. the centre for cross border studies has estimated that between 23 and 30,000 people cross the border daily for work.
while, each month, around 170,000 lorries and 1.85 million cars are recorded crossing the border, which means that every year 31% of northern ireland's exports go to the republic, and 27% of its imports come from the republic. so there's a lot at stake. delays could lead to huge costs for business, plus there's the risk of tax evasion and various types of smuggling, both of goods and people. but above and beyond that, there are massive political issues. creating any kind of hard border would be incredibly sensitive politically and could do serious damage to the peace process. so what are the possible solutions? remember, in an ideal world for the uk government there would still be no customs border at all, even after brexit. but if the eu won't agree to that, part of the proposal argues for a wide—ranging exemption under which small and medium—sized businesses will not have to comply with any new customs tariffs,
along with a new pre—cleared ‘trusted trader‘ arrangement for larger companies. this goes well beyond arrangements at other external borders of the customs union. there are places that operate with a pretty light—touch, but there aren't invisible borders with no physical infrastructure at all. so what the uk wants on the irish border is unprecedented and complicated by history. there's also the acknowledgement that regulations on things like food safety would have to be pretty much identical on both sides of the border. raising questions about what kind of political compromises might have to be made to get a deal done. lets get more now on the resignation
of sarah champion to has resigned over her alleged poor choice of words in an article she wrote. this is whatjeremy corbyn had to say. she said she thought her continued presence would be a distraction from theissues presence would be a distraction from the issues that need to be faced so she has tendered her resignation and i have accepted that and thanked her for working with honourable women within our society. we are not going to demonise any particular group. the issue is one of the safety of individuals was at her choice? it was her choice. george bush and his son have called
on america to reject racial bigotry. this comes after an anti—racist campaigner was killed in cha rlottesville in campaigner was killed in charlottesville in virginia. good evening to both of you. thanks for being with us on bbc news. when you saw those scenes in cha rlottesville over you saw those scenes in charlottesville over the weekend, how did it make you feel?” charlottesville over the weekend, how did it make you feel? i didn't have any emotional feelings. it doesn't affect my quality of life, so since it doesn't affect my life. i know there are people out there who don't like other nationalities and people of colour but that is
their right. we were told this was about the history of the united states, about the confederacy, the plans to remove the statue of robert e lee. the history is the history and we don't need to erase it. we need to understand and make sure we don't repeat it. what are those risks, this tension we saw displayed in virginia? could it be that if it is not handled probably by political leaders then could it be repeated? we could have a civil war if we are not careful. most americans are not racist or bigots. they may be prejudiced because of ignorance. there will always be a small fringe
of ignorant people that will always be there. what donald trump will was doing as an observer was commenting on what he saw. in his own words. they may not be words that lots of people like that there are others who would take the view that he was giving an honest appraisal of his view. he was not endorsing people like the kkk. two things, i am a caucasian girl here in chicago, but i was emotionally touched by what we nt i was emotionally touched by what went on. the symbolism of the rising tensions in our country, as we saw what rose up years ago from a small portion of the population to be horrific areas of our nation, we cannot let that rise again. whether you are in there or not, especially
the president he gets briefings from law enforcement and esb icon of the intelligence agencies who were very much aware of this. there's a lot of social media chatter, you are always getting updates throughout the events taking place. whether you are at the white house or at your golf course or your home in new york, you are constantly being updated. there is no excuse for him not to be understanding what was happening there. we've heard from both presidents bush senior and junior in a joint statement urging people to reject all forms of racial bigotry, anti—semitism and hatred. it's a telling contrast from what president trump has had to say. they've been
explicit. isn't that an implied rebuke to president trump, saying that he hasn't really risen to the standard of leadership people expect regardless of party, from whoever occupies the oval office? president trump said it was bad on all sides which was correct. then he put down white supremacy, nazism, the kkk, anything of hatred and bigotry and then he came back around and said this is all wrong. we need to take ownership that two wrongs don't make a right. in america, people had the right to disagree and protest. if people want to hold a rally, in america they have the right to. i have the right to disagree but i don't have a right to go out and be
violent towards them because i disagree. political posturing from the sidelines does nothing but make infuriated conflict. do you accept what tracy is saying, that there's a danger that kind of remarks from people in the political establishment are coming out sage like saying it's terrible and should be condemned but it emphasises the disconnect between the people from the top of american society and those who feel like they are at the bottom. a permit was taken out by the white supremacist organisation. it does not give them the right to yell horrible racist neo—nazi remarks throughout because that affects everyone. isn't that their
first amendment right? that's the whole concept of the united states? when you bring rifles and throw punches, this peaceful protests. i'm all for it. forgive me, listen, people have the right to speak in america. if i want to stand outside a theatre and hold a process then i have the right to do so. you start censoring people is all you are going to do is condemn
people's right to freedom of speech. i don't want my freedom of speech ltd based upon someone's ignorance. quit acting like it's not real. two things. i doubt tracey would bring a gun to protest that she would. we have to address this dialogue. we see heads of states around the world, all the commanders of our us military come out because this is certainly something that is trying to roll us back into time. this is 2017 not 1917, and our politicians as well as everyday american citizens need to reaffirm equal rights that the right leak matte white race is not above the black race, on sexual orientation is above
the other. this is real america and we have to take note and action. absolutely, the first amendment, right to peaceful protest. but tracey would you bring a gun to your protest? i don't think so. people brought hoses to protest. you have your second amendment right in america, the right to bear arms. as long as you don't shoot that rifle, pointed that someone but when you limit the writes of the americans then you limit the america we know. hold on! when you have people on the left who came out who said that they we re left who came out who said that they were in support of inclusion and
adversity and start beating up people on the right and the white supremacist because we don't like what we see. that's not acceptable. we can't condone misbehaviour even if we disagree with the people who are misbehaving. that does not mean that i have to say what they did was right because it wasn't. i am against violence on both sides. people have the right to say what they want in america and people need to realise we are not equal. we are not a socialist society. the thing is, in america, we have laws where people can carry guns in public. why, i don't know but we do. you
cannot carry that gun inside a baseball stadium, so when we look at these protests, whether it's moving up these protests, whether it's moving upa rabbit these protests, whether it's moving up a rabbit out whether cars cannot be driven people, we have got to look at how we can peacefully assemble without the threat. there was an incredible service for heather. this girl, this girl wanted to go out there and was peacefully protest being. she got run over by a white supremacist and killed. there's no reason or i'm to that, andi there's no reason or i'm to that, and i think we should rise above this. i want to put a question to both of you. i'm sorry to say that ourtime is coming
both of you. i'm sorry to say that our time is coming to an end. it's an important debate and i'm grateful to you and our viewers are too. laura, then tracey, laura, has this changed in anyway your view or perception of donald trump? yes, i've always held out hope and the relationship between the congress and the president and i think this is deborah 18 this and congress is going to have to be the one that rises up will stop —— it begged eights. it's difficult to pull people back. tracey, have the views of the weekend changed your view of donald trump. it's changed my view
of america and the american media but not donald trump. lots of people on the left say they support inclusion, but it hasn't changed my view of trump. we need to support him because he is our president and we want to make sure that america is safe and that americans feel safe so we can become united. tracey, president of the ohio black republican association and laura, political commentator and former clinton administration adviser from chicago, thank you so much for your debate. researchers at newcastle university say england will need an extra seventy one thousand care home
places by 2025 — that's less than ten years' time. they say people are living longer but many of them need substantial care in their last years. here's our health editor hugh pym. you're never too old to learn. ida, who's 92, is being shown how to text at this it class for older people. she feels she's making progress, though sometimes, it's hard to remember everything she's learned. your memory doesn't retain things. sometimes, it gives you a few minutes, then it comes back and oh, i remember what it was! so, you know, you just have to work hard at that. the aim of the class at the abbey community centre, in north london, is to help the learners with independent lives and make some friends along the way. what this new research highlights is that while living longer can bring more opportunities, it can mean declining health — and that means a greater need for care. the report predicts rapidly increasing demands on a system which is already under great pressure. the care needs of the over—65s have doubled over two decades. men now require 2.4 years
of substantial care on average, women will need three years. so the report says 71,000 extra care home places will be needed in england by 2025, on top of the 220,000 in 2015. care providers say they need to know about official plans before trying to create those places. after confusion in the election campaign, the government's consulting on a new social care policy, which experts say is needed urgently. we are going to need to spend more as a nation on looking after ourselves when we're older. some of that money, i think, should come from us as individuals, some of it needs to come from the government. what the government most needs to do is come up with a clear strategy. staying fit and staying healthy are the priorities for many in retirement. some will live many years independently, some will need social care, and the challenge for them — and society as a whole — is to work out who will pay for it. hugh pym, bbc news.
let's get a look at the let's get a look at the weather let's get a look at the weather now let's get a look at the weather now with darren. it felt a bit more like summer. thick cloud bringing outbreaks of rain. no large totals but pushing its way eastward and overnight. the range of clear away at the end of the night, pretty mild out there. 15—16dc. wet across southern parts of eastern england. in south—east scotland, they may miss the showers. not feeling too
bad here. showers will continue into the evening and in fact overnight, it may get wetter in northern ireland. that clears away friday morning and we get some sunshine and showers before things turn wetter. disappointing temperatures to end the week. a lot better on saturday. sunshine and showers mostly across the northern half of the uk blustery showers with cloud increasing. outbreaks of rain. that rain is on the other side of the atlantic
courtesy of hurricane gert. but it's going to combine with a normal area of pressure. heading towards the uk with some stronger winds, rain across northern ireland, pushing in scotla nd across northern ireland, pushing in scotland and in northern england later in the day. temperatures best in the south but still only 20 celsius. this is bbc news. i'm shaun ley. the headlines at 8:00pm. brexit borders — the government wants business as usual between northern ireland and the republic — ruling out new customs posts. but critics say the lack of a hard irish border after brexit could offer a back door into the uk for people into the uk for people from the european union. president trump scraps two of his own advisory panels after more business leaders on it quit over his handling of violent
clashes in virginia. at a memorial service in virginia, the mother of heather heyer — an anti racist protester who was killed in the clashes — called on people to pay attention following her daughter's death. they tried to kill my child to shut her up. well, guess what? you just magnified her! applause the labour mp sarah champion resigns from the shadow cabinet and apologises for her "poor choice of words" in a newspaper
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