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tonight at 5.00pm: one of the men suspected of belonging to a terrorist cell behind the barcelona attacks, tells a judge the group was planning a bigger assault. four men have appeared in court, following the attacks that killed 15 people and injured more than 100. and we hearfrom one british tourist who stayed to help an injured child — ignoring police advice to move to safety. i could see the fear in him. i could see the fear in me. he was basically trying to say — there could be another car or van coming down. but i said, "no, i'm not going to move, i'm not going to leave this child." we'll have the latest on the aftermath of the attacks in catalonia. the other main stories on bbc news at 5.00. president trump reverses a campaign promise, and says more us troops will go to afghanistan. he said withdrawing would leave a vacuum for terrorists to fill. we are are not nation building, we are killing terrorists.
the former owner of bhs, dominic chappell, is to be prosecuted by the pensions regulator, following the collapse of the high street chain. and, england's women are preparing for their rugby world cup semifinal against france this evening. one of four suspected members of the terrorist cell that killed 15 people in spain last week, has told a judge in madrid that the group was planning a bigger attack. the suspects have been
testifying to a judge, who will decide what charges they will face, behind closed doors. the four are the only surviving members of the 12—man group. this morning they were driven in for questioning n a closed session at madrid ‘s high court. taken there, in his hospital pyjama mohamed houli chemlal, it is understood he confessed the plans of a much bigger attack to both the police and judge. the 22—year—old was badly injured when an alleged bomb factory blew up the day before the ramblas attack. the explosion happened here, where police found 120 gas canisters, as well as explosives and remains of an imam, thought to be in charge.
vectors believe the terror cell was planning a more sophisticated attack. also demourt this morning, mohammed aalla, said to be the owner of the audi a3 used in the attack of the coastal resort of calm bris. a speed camera blocked four of the attacks as they drove to par nis that that very car, a week before the attacks. this man's passport was found in the van, rented and used to chill. the driver of the man was shot dead yesterday in countryside outside barcelona. he had been on the run for four days. outside barcelona. he had been on the run forfour days. this new video shows police raids in ripoll on the night of the attack. it is understood all members of the terror cell are now under arrest or dead. thejudge in today's hearing hasn't yet decided which charges should be brought. among the distressing stories that have emerged from the attacks in spain, there have been those of kindness and bravery as well.
a british tourist, harry atwal, has been called a hero, after he rushed to help a child on las ramblas, ignoring advice from the police to move to safety. adina campbell has been talking to him. we were in the restaurant. we had just eaten. i ordered the bill. i was waiting for the bill. that is when we saw the van. from where we were sitting, you could see it. we saw about five seconds of it. what we saw was tragic. we heard screaming. as we turned and looked, the van was shooting down las ramblas. it was hitting people. people were flying everywhere. you could hear the thuds. the thing i remember was the noise. we were 50 yards away. the noise was so clear. it was horrible. when did you first see the boy you went on to help? in the middle of las ramblas was the body of a child. that automatically
drew me to that child. i knew what i had to do. ijust raced to that child. many of us might have seen the picture of you crouching down beside the boy. what was going through your mind? i was afraid for the boy at that point. when i looked at his injuries, they were severe. i was actually quite emotional as well, because i knew straightaway this boy was seven or eight years old, the same age as my son. like i said, due to the injuries i was quite upset. the first thing i tried to do was check his pulse, to see if he was alive. because of the nature of the injuries, i didn't want to move him. what made you stay there? that was somebody‘s child as well. he was a young boy. he was my son's age. at that point it doesn't matter, i wasn't going to move. the first police officer who came down was screaming at me, he was speaking spanish,
i was screaming at him saying, get me an ambulance. he was gesturing to me, he said get out of the way, get out of the way. i could see the fear in him and the fear in me. he was trying to say there could be another car or van coming down. i said i wasn't going to move because i wasn't going to move this child. people have called you a hero. i'm not a hero. i'm just a common man, the same as anybody else. these situations are occurring more and more often. we have to stand up and be counted. the british tourist there, who tended to a little boy on the ramblas, talking to our correspondent. and to tell you n relation to that court appearance in madrid we were talking about. four men appearing before a judge in madrid, a few details am coming out. the spanish prosecutor asking the
high courtjudge to send those four men to prison. those are just some of the details coming through. the prosecutor asking for the four to go to prison. there is much more to emerge from that court hearing. president trump has announced that more us troops will be be sent to afghanistan to fight the taliban. he said that a rapid exit from the country would create a vacuum, for terrorists to fill. during the presidential campaign, donald trump said he wanted a speedy withdrawal from a conflict that he described as a total disaster. but last night, he said he'd changed his mind. here's our north america correspondent aleem maqbool. the man who always said he didn't want to intervene abroad, came to announce the intervention in afghanistan, he's going to ratchet up.
but said it was for the right reasons. we are a partner and a friend, but we will not dictate to the afghan people how to live or how to govern their own complex society. we are not nation—building again. we are killing terrorists. he announced the lifting of a cap on the number of us troops in afghanistan, and that there would be no time limit on them staying there. my original instinct was to pull out. and historically, i like the following my instincts. but all my life i've heard that decisions are much different when you sit behind the desk in the oval office. a very different donald trump to the one who said this kind of thing right through the 0bama years. "can you believe that the afghan war is our longest war ever? bring our troops home. rebuild the us. make america great again." and that's the basis on which he campaigned as a presidential candidate — that he wouldn't spend american resources abroad, but here at home.
he says he now realises that pulling out american troops from afghanistan could leave a vacuum for militants. our primary mission for coming into afghanistan after 9/11 was to kill terrorists. and i think he is going back to the original purpose, that the reason we came into afghanistan was because of what happened on 9/11 and the fact that afghanistan was being used as sanctuary and safe haven for terrorists. the toughest words of his speech were directed at afghanistan's neighbour, pakistan. we have been paying pakistan billions and billions of dollars, at the same time they are housing the very terrorists that we are fighting. but that will have to change. and that will change immediately. how the president expects pakistan to comply, and more broadly, how he believe the us will, in his words, fight to win
in afghanistan, wasn't made entirely clear. the only thing that is certain is that there is still no end in sight for america's longest war. aleem maqbool, bbc news, washington. let's go live now to washington and our correspondent gary 0'donoghue. is this a u—turn, is that hows is being talked about? certainly a u—turn being talked about? certainly a u-turn in being talked about? certainly a u—turn in the president's own sense. during the campaign he talked about afghanistan being a waste of money and bringing the troops home. so, a u—turn for him. is it a and bringing the troops home. so, a u—turn for him. is ita u—turn and bringing the troops home. so, a u—turn for him. is it a u—turn in terms of american foreign policy? partially it is, in the sense there we re partially it is, in the sense there were metrics that were used before to measure the us involvement in afghanistan, how many people you had there, how long they were staying. he says that's no longer going to be
used. it is not going to be about how long or how many. so that's a change. the other change that is taking place behind the scenes is that much more power is being devolved down to the pentagon to ta ke devolved down to the pentagon to take decisions about how to fight these wars and how to achieve the goals that the white house wants. beforehand, barack goals that the white house wants. beforehand, ba rack 0bama goals that the white house wants. beforehand, barack 0bama wanted to do that from the west wing. the overarching goals are the same — to push the taliban back to point where the taliban sees that a political solution is their only way out. it isa solution is their only way out. it is a long way off, because the taliban control half the country. and secondly, so expel the isis—affiliates in counter—terrorism operations in the east of the country. that is something that american forces are directly involved in the exciting with. so those were there before president
trump came into power as goals and they are still there. for now, thank you very much. general sir simon mayall is a former british military commander. he was responsible for afghan operational policy from 2009—2102 . thank you for your time this evening. it would appear that president trump, at least with regard to afghanistan, is following the advice of his military generals. that, in itself, as far as you are concerned, is that to be welcomed?” think it is very much to be welcomed. and i'm very pleased that president trump has come in and come off the election trail and listened toa off the election trail and listened to a very, very wise and experienced national security team and acknowledged that afghanistan is not acknowledged that afghanistan is not a place to be walked away from in a fit of pique. and his commanders are very conscious about what happened in iraq and moving far too quickly, setting end dates, rather than end
states. and thereby throwing away all they had gained at huge cost between 2003 and fund mentally 2008-2011. 50, i think between 2003 and fund mentally 2008-2011. so, ithink you between 2003 and fund mentally 2008-2011. so, i think you are saying that they are, those troops are needed on the ground. what is the key role? what operationally needs to be done and might possible 110w needs to be done and might possible now be done, if the americans stay there and bolster their numbers?” think gary 0'donoghue was quite right to say that they went in to go for al-qaeda. in many ways right to say that they went in to go for al-qaeda. in many wastoe biden argued for that. we had very high nato troop levels at one stage, particularly the americans. but what that was, was a bridging operation to build up the capacity of the afg ha ns to ta ke to build up the capacity of the afghans to take up the fight. they have done that but we have to remember how new the army, the afg ha n remember how new the army, the afghan army is in relative terms and the confidence that the american advisors, embedded personnel will bring to the afghan security forces
will be huge, as well as the fact that their special forces will continue to hunt down the taliban and al-qaeda cells that take advantage of these lawless spaces. the president is saying that it is the army there that should defeat the army there that should defeat the taliban and it is a new army, but how many years will it be before they are genuinely capable of operating on their own and doing that? well, i think it is quite remarkable, when you see what happened to the iraqi security forces, in 2014, when they absolutely crumbled at that sort of raid from isis coming in from syria. just how effective and motivated they had been in retaking mosul and they had been in retaking mosul and
they will retake another city shortly. so embedding our people right up front t gives them huge confidence. it boosts their credibility and allows us, of course, to check they are acting in a manner we would understand a uniformed disciplined service would do, but with committed backing from the marches but i hope the british and other nations, i genuinely believe will have a transformative effect. we are in this for the long haul. it is not an easy country to do business in. iraq, in a bizarre way, is an easier place to operate a government mandate from. do you see greater british involvement, as well? i think there should be. i think president trump made the case that he expected nato allies to shoulder some of the burden that the americans had done. i'm always interested people say this is
america's longest war. america stood firm by the south koreans for the last 60 years, it stood form in the cold war for over half a century in europe. i'm not saying it is payback time but it is very firmly for responsible allies of the americans to reinforce american commitment to protect our interests in far flung parts of the world. sir michael fallon was clear. if the afghan government collapsed we could get a huge refugee migration flow coming from central asia. we are 500 there, another 85 have been promised. i'm not talking about large numbers but where appropriate the british government should look favourably on an ask from our american allies within the context of both a by lateral relationship and through nato. very, very interesting to hear your perspective. we appreciate you talking to the bbc tonight. thank you very much for your time. just to return to the story we were
talking about before we touched on afghanistan, the news out of spain. you will remember, that one of the need to be the final four members of the gang believed to carry out the attacks in catalonia had been before attacks in catalonia had been before a judge in madrid and a few details about that emerging from various sources throughout the course of the afternoon. and the latest detail is that two of those four men have said that two of those four men have said that the imam there, their imam was the instigator of those attacks, so the instigator of those attacks, so the imam was the instigator, according to this source, talking to the reuters news agency. that is what two of the four suspects have said, and you will remember, at the start of our programme, we talked about the fact that one of the four men said that, in fact, the group was planning something much, much bigger, as he put it. they were planning a bigger attack, including
possibly blowing up a church. so those are further details emerging from that court hearing in madrid. divers searching for ten missing american sailors off singapore have found human remains in their damaged warship, according to the us navy. the remains were in sealed compartments of the uss john s mccain, which was nearing port yesterday when it collided with a merchant tanker. the impact tore a hole in its port side and flooded a crew sleeping area. another person who died grenfell tower fire has been another person who died grenfell towerfire has been normally identified this after, her family have described her as a loving mother of five who was loved by all. she was selfless in all she did and put other people first, said her
family. you are watching the bbc news at 5.00: the headlines one of the men suspected of belonging to a terrorist cell the barcelona attacks, tells a judge the group was planning a bigger assault. and british tourist harry atwal, has been called a hero, after he rushed to help a child on las ramblas, ignoring advice from the police to move to safety. president trump commits more us troops to afghanistan — the move is welcomed by the afghan president. :mrtrump said : mr trump said withdraw wooing leave a vacuum for terrorists to fill. in sport, england will put out their toughest team for their game against france tonight in the women's semifinal of the rugby world cup. and england's women are through to the euro hockey tournaments semifinal. and it is almostjob done for celtic in their quest to reach the group
stage of the champions‘ league, having taken a fave—goal advantage in the second leg of their tie. more on those stories at around half—past. thank you. the former owner of bhs is to be prosecuted, in connection with the collapse of its pension scheme. dominic chappell‘s company bought the retail chain forjust £1, shortly before it went into liquidation with a huge pensions deficit and the loss of 11,000 jobs. mr chappell is charged with failing to provide documents requested by the pensions regulator. earlier our business correspondent emma simpson explained how the prosecution came about. it is almost a year to the day now since those final bhs store is closed, after 90 years of trading on the high street. and, of course, this spectacular collapse was the biggest retail failure since woolworths went down. as you say, 11,000 jobs, and a big scandal over
the pension deficit. now, sir philip controversially... sir philip green? sir philip green sold that business for £1 to dominic chappell in 2015. he was a former racing driver, bankruptee, no retail experience. a year later, the chain collapsed sparking a host of enquiries. remember, we had that high—profile parliamentary committee. it‘s produced a damning report. fast forward to february 2017, sir philip green reached a deal with the pension regulator, a £363 million settlement to rescue the pension scheme to avoid it going into the pension protection fund. so today‘s action is specific and it‘s focused on dominic chappell. the former conservative chancellor, george osborne, has called on the prime minister to commit to building a high speed rail line across the north of england. mr osborne, who chairs the northern powerhouse partnership, has called for more money to be
spent on public transport outside the capital. well, if the government is serious about building a northern powerhouse, it needs to commit to high speed links between the northern cities, so we bring those cities together and the whole of the north will be stronger than the individual parts. this autumn is when we need to get on with that, because businesses are crying out for a long—term plan to enable them to invest and bring jobs to the north of england. 0ur correspondent dan whitworth is at leeds railway station. you can doubtless give us a sense of what people there think of it all? we spent the whole day here. trying to get a sense of the public‘s opinion on george 0sborne‘s comments. as you say, it is not the first time the former chancellor has
got involved on this issue of the northern powerhouse. he is no longer in government but he is still chair of the northern powerhouse project. and as part of that role he did an interview this morning calling for a new high speed line across the north from hull to liverpool with priority being put on the electrification of the line from leeds to manchester. he says possibly around the £7 billion price mark but there will be a huge return on that investment. i have some stats for you here, jane. he says an extra 7 million people will be put within the journey of the north of england. frustration here. there is a crucial meeting happening here tomorrow. regional
mayors, politicians and business leaders getting together to discuss what they see as a pry or tiesation by national government to —— prioritisation by national government to spend money in london. i‘m joins by counsellorjames lewis, deputy leading of leeds city council. tell me your reaction to the former chancellor‘s comments? i'm delighted we have another endorsement as the agenda we have been pushing in northern cities to see investment in transport infrastructure. george osborne has laid out the economic case for bring together the north of england and the real reason that this rail infrastructure, to bring people closer to jobs infrastructure, to bring people closer tojobs and infrastructure, to bring people closer to jobs and businesses closer to polies and services closer to their market. it is the right thing to do. we need to unblock the law in the same way that billions is being spent in the south of england improving their economy. not much of a surprise you are backing george osborne when he is calling for multi—pound investment across the north of england, what do you say about the frustration felt here about the frustration felt here about the frustration felt here about the lack of investment from central government, westminster. over the decades we have seen a real
disparity on the amounts spent on transport infrastructure in london and north. we've had commitments to electrify the trans—pennine line between york, leeds and manchester. we need to make sure places like bradford are better linked across the north of england so their rows dentsds and economy can benefit. we need a concrete plan about what needs to be delivered, how it is going to be delivered and where it'll be funded from and most importantly for people living in the north, exactly when it is going to ha. we have had promises in the past. we need to see that delivery timetable in place. a last quick question for you. with you going to this sum and the meeting tomorrow. lots of regional leaders, businesses and members of the public will be there. what is top of your agenda, there. what is top of your agenda, the number one priority of investing in transport? we need a modern electriified railway, we need the links and better opportunities so people can have better access to work. we need to know when it is going to be done and how. we have
had promises in the past. we need a concrete plan of action. back to you in the studio now. ford has become the latest car company to offer customers an incentive to trade in an old vehicle for a new, less polluting one. the scrappage scheme will run for four months, and will offer £2,000 off some new models. unlike similar schemes by bmw and mercedes, which apply only to diesel vehicles, ford says it will also accept petrol cars. our transport correspondent richard westcott has the details. millions of us still drive older, more polluting cars, but what‘s the best way to get them off the road? ford has become the latest and biggest firm to offer a scrappage scheme, £2,000 to crush your old car or van, as long as you buy a new one. it wouldn‘t be an incentive to me. good for the people who want to do it and have £2,000 if they have an old car that isn‘t roadworthy, good for them. but it wouldn‘t be an incentive for me at all. good incentive, give you £2,000 towards a new car and the side—effect is of environmental benefit, why not? cleaner air, it benefits everybody,
and i get a new car. if i can afford it. ford claims it is about protecting the environment not boosting sales, which have been falling for months. some people will look at this cynically and say, sales are down, you‘re only offering this for four months, only £2,000 scrappage scheme, this is about selling more cars, isn‘t it? it really is anything but a cynical marketing ploy. i can spend my money on much more efficient things to drive sales, this genuinely is about air quality. ford sells more cars than any other company in britain, the fiesta is the most popular model, that is why it is significant they have come up with a scrappage scheme. but it‘s only going to last four months initially, the company is talking about perhaps saving thousands of dirty cars being — — a few thousand dirty carsn
scrapped and taken off the road. there are 19 million in total, so could it really make a difference? the problem with a scrappage scheme that is aimed at air quality is that it really needs to be targeted at the vehicle driving around most in the areas where air quality is a problem. things like buses and trucks are particularly important, so are commercial vehicles too. after months of speculation about a possible government scrappage scheme for dirty vehicles, it‘s now the car—makers who are taking the initiative, but not yet on a scale that could really make a difference. richard westcott, bbc news. richard ingram is the reviews editor at auto express magazine and is here with me now. how much of this is a genuine desire on the part of ford to try to help on the part of ford to try to help on the part of ford to try to help on the environmental front and how much is, frontally, about shifting more cars? it is a two part ploy, if
you like, ford wanted to sell more cars. that‘s always going to be the main crux of any company. i think, also, as well as selling more cars, it isa also, as well as selling more cars, it is a message it the public, to the consumer that they are doing something to try and improve air quality. is that because it is, it is almost a dome know effect. if one company does it, is there a sense in a good way it puts everyone under pressure to do similarly. we have seen pressure to do similarly. we have seen it already. we saw vauxhall and mercedes and bmw have done a similar thing and now ford are introducing a scrappage thing, one of a kind, where they are saying they‘ll take the cars off the road if you buy something that‘s more environ mentally friendly. which is good but we hear the figures in richard‘s report and we are talking about a very small percentage of all the
vehicles on the road. it is going to require much bigger thinking across the industry to have a bigger dent, isn‘t it, in this? the industry to have a bigger dent, isn't it, in this? there are over 19 million cars which are pre, the cars under the emissions so there are potentially 9 million that could be scrapped under this new scheme from ford. so the potentialfor saving on emissions and pollutants is huge. that is correct, it does not apply to the ka. there has to be a margin in anything better big company will do. cynics would look at that and say, if people do need a card to get to theirjob or whatever then we should encourage people to use
smaller vehicles, lower emissions, all of that. so perhaps in a pr senseit all of that. so perhaps in a pr sense it does not sell so well for them. absolutely but recently they repositioned the range so that the ka isa repositioned the range so that the ka is a kind of entry—level model, not necessarily using the most fuel efficient engine. interesting. thank you very much. you‘re watching bbc news. just bring you some breaking news. all in relation to the attacks in spain. we‘re hearing again from that court hearing in madrid that the four men
have been charged in connection with the attacks. i have to say that is literally all that it says, they have been charged, no details about the nature of the charges, the number of charges, whether they‘re all charged with the same thing. so that information pretty sparse. we will bring you more details as we get them. we do not as yet no those specific charges. and in other matters we‘re hearing of in calais. more clashes this afternoon between groups of migrants in calais. quite substantial numbers, confrontations we re substantial numbers, confrontations were told between 150 afghan and eritrean migrants near the motorway leading to the port and the eurotunnel. a number of people injured, 20 people taken into custody and this following on from clashes in the town last night that
lasted for several hours. so it would appear that further disturbances in calais. coming up in sport the england women are preparing for their rugby world cup semifinal against france this evening. and very exciting, also coming up we will talk to the bestselling author ahmed rashid, talking more about president trump and his apparent change of heart over sending more american groups to afghanistan and the role of pakistan in that as well. might now though the weather
news. i look forward to that rugby but u nfortu nately i look forward to that rugby but unfortunately it will be raining in belfast. it has turned wet across the manner and to rome, you can see the manner and to rome, you can see the cloud has thickened up. but across england and wales that cloud has been thinning and it has been quite warm. we focus on that rain heading through this evening, turning wet in northern ireland overnight. that moves across into scotla nd overnight. that moves across into scotland along with some thunderstorms. further south somewhat drier and pretty warm night. some warm and muggy air ahead of the weather front. behind that, cooler and fresher. sunshine following on behind the showers. temperature is a little bit lower, pleasa nt temperature is a little bit lower, pleasant in the sunshine. the last
of the humid heat in east anglia and the south east. good evening. you‘re watching bbc news. the headlines. one of the men suspected of belonging to a terrorist cell behind the barcelona attacks, tells a judge the group was planning a bigger assault. and british tourist harry atwal has reports say two of the suspects claim an imam, who died at a makeshift bomb factory, was the instigator. and british tourist harry atwal has been called a hero after he rushed to help a child on las ramblas, ignoring advice from the police to move to safety. i could see the fear in him, i could see the fear in me, he was basically trying to say there could be another car or van coming down.
but i said no i‘m not going to move, i‘m not going to leave this child. president trump reverses a campaign promise, and says more us troops will go to afghanistan. he said withdrawing would leave a vacuum for terrorists to fill. we are are not nation building, we are killing terrorists. the former owner of bhs, dominic chappell, is to be prosecuted by the pensions regulator, following the collapse of the high street chain. now we catch up with the sports news. let‘s begin with a big night of rugby ahead, england‘s women up against france in the semi finals of the world cup. the biggest match of their tournament so far as they continue the defence of the title they won in france three years ago. kathryn downes is there. how do we wait the england chances?
on paper their chances look at this evening, of course they are the defending world champions, the six nations grand slam winners, one of the best teams in the world and the only fully professional team here at the world cup as well so you would hope that they could beat some of these lesser teams would do not have full—time professional players in their ranks. but you cannot write off france because they‘ve won two off france because they‘ve won two of the past six nations titles, became third of the last world cup on their home turf in paris three yea rs on their home turf in paris three years ago. and captain sarah hunter, yesterday she said they are very well rounded team and they have strength right across the pitch. so to ta ke strength right across the pitch. so to take them on the england coach simon middleton has named his strongest starting 15 of the tournament so far to try to get england through their sternest test yet. and into back—to—back world finals. as we know the second
semifinal already underway between the united states and new zealand. one of those teams potentially lying in wait. one of those teams will go through to the final, you can hear a bit cheering behind me because that semifinal, almost half an hour through that at the moment. it was meant to be a walkover for the usa, they began with great content, just two minutes on the clock when the powerful number ten powered her way through to score a very early try. but the usa have kept themselves in touch as well coming back with a converted try to keep the neck and neck. new zealand have now pulled ahead, 15—7 now approaching half—time in that first semifinal. so new zealand expects to go through and that would be the box office finalfor and that would be the box office final for women‘s and that would be the box office finalfor women‘s rugby, and that would be the box office final for women‘s rugby, the and that would be the box office finalfor women‘s rugby, the top and that would be the box office final for women‘s rugby, the top two teams in the world, england against new zealand in the final and going for world cup glory. looking forward
to that. and we will hear more from belfast later tonight. it‘s almostjob done for celtic in their quest to reach the group stage of the champions league as they look to knock out the kazakhstan champions astana. leading 5—0 from last week‘s first leg at home in glasgow, scott sinclair‘s goal has made it one—all on the night and 6—1 to brendan rodgers‘ side on aggregate. the second half is just about to get underway. that‘s all sport for now. you can keep up to date with all those stories on the bbc sport website. that‘s bbc.co.uk/sport and i‘ll have more in sportsday at half past six. some more details coming through about the charges being levelled against those for men who have appeared in court in madrid. all following on of course from the appalling attacks in catalonia which killed 15 people and injured more than 100. killed 15 people and injured more than100. a killed 15 people and injured more
than 100. a few more details coming out about the charges. four men charged with belonging to a terrorist organisation, terrorism related murder and possession of explosives. this coming from sources talking to various news agencies in madrid. a private hearing before judge but for men charged with multiple offences. it looks from everything i‘m reading, thejudge has yet to decide whether to remind in custody. but clearly a number of charges. details are emerging gradually over the course of the afternoon about that court hearing in madrid. so we will let you know if we hear anything more. let‘s return now to that shift in us policy on afghanistan, with donald trump saying more us troops will be deployed there, in order to continue the fight against the taliban. he was also very critical about the role of pakistan, saying it is still harbouring criminals and terrorists. we can discuss this now
with ahmed rashid, who was born in pakistani and is a best—selling author of several books on al-qaeda in pakistan and afghanistan. we can speak to ahmed via webcam in madrid. thank you for your time this afternoon. i‘m interested in your response to what president trump was saying, his language i thought was strong, saying we have got to stop being in denial effectively about pakistan harbouring terrorists. what are your thoughts about that kind of language? i think the americans and nato allies in europe have been frustrated for a long time over the fa ct frustrated for a long time over the fact that many of the taliban leaders who have sanctuary and a safe haven in pakistan. they have been trying to persuade the pakistan
army which makes foreign policy to evict them and turn them over or stop their activities in supporting the taliban insurgency in pakistan. the army has been doing its utmost but also it cannot take unilateral steps because it fears the backlash inside pakistan from the afghan taliban. but what really surprised pakistan very much, they‘re expected to get a rap on the knuckles is it where, but incomplete contrast donald trump has invited india to play a bigger role in afghanistan and described india is the strategic partner for the and described india is the strategic partnerfor the us in the region. that radio said the pakistanis, one reason that they had been so that‘s that really upset the pakistanis. they want to keep india out of
afghanistan and here you have the americans inviting them in. and as you say that is striking, what do you say that is striking, what do you think pakistan, what will the reaction to the two that, what impact could that kind of language have? i think it will be a very angry reaction. if there is some kind of date involved for ousting the taliban that would be all right but with india being described in such glowing terms by president trump, and in the of course is the main rival of pakistan in the region. the reaction from the public, the military, is going to be very strong i think. and despite that could it actually has what we
assume is president trump‘s desired effect, that pakistan regroups in some way and tries to think again about its strategy, about what it does, about taliban insurgents or militants operating in certain parts of the country. i hope it will, that it registers as a kind of wake—up call. but the military and the government will have to tread carefully because they will be aware of public anger in pakistan at donald trump and the indians for daring to come into afghanistan in such a big way. and the legitimacy of the ruling establishment, they will be watching carefully, that they do not give away too much to they do not give away too much to the americans at the same time the
protests which no doubt will in pakistan are kept at a reasonable level and do not go overboard. i think we‘re now entering a time of a lot of accusation and inflammatory talk. a lot of the right wing indians will also be travelling now that they have american endorsement, they will be egging on their leaders and the media will play a provocative role in both countries possibly. so we are entering a period of enormous tension. and anxiety, that the situation does not get out of hand. thank you so much for your time. rescue workers are still trying to reach survivors, after a magnitude 4 earthquake hit the italian island of ischia. at least two people have been killed, and nearly 40 injured, after the tremor brought down several buildings.
the island, off the coast of naples, has a population of about 50,000, and is also popular with tourists. richard lister has the latest. minutes after the earthquake, dazed survivors escape their ruined homes. in the town of casamicciola. around them, in a blizzard of dust, buried cars and rubble—strewn streets. their neighbours are escaping too, as the emergency services move in. "it was terrible", she said. "i was terrified. ischia was a trap." several buildings collapsed. under the wreckage, rescuers worked frantically to get to those buried. at this site, rescuers hear the faint sound of a baby crying. and after some careful digging, a minor miracle.
seven—month—old pascale was tearful, but safe. work continued at the house to reach his two brothers. daylight revealed the extent of the damage. the earthquake struck as people were sitting down for their evening meal. some houses were almost untouched. others may have to be demolished. translation: the house is destroyed. we can‘t even get in. what should we do? translation: i was really scared. in all the years i've lived here, it is the first time there has been such a strong quake. at least one of the dead was killed by falling masonry. it remained a threat, as the emergency services brought in more resources to continue their search and rescue operation. translation: we have helped more than 1,000 people leave ischia. we have set up a coordination centre. technical teams are checking hotels
to make sure they are safe. as the work continued, some good news. both of little pascale‘s brothers were found alive. his family survived. others though are counting the cost of a terrifying night. richard lister, bbc news. this is bbc news at five — the headlines. four men have been charged with terrorism offences following the attacks in spain that killed 15 people. a british tourist harry athwal has been called a hero after he rushed to help a child on las ramblas ignoring advice from the police to move to safety. and president trump reverses a campaign promise and says that more us troops will go to afghanistan. and a quick look at the financial markets, this is how the ftse ended the day, up in both germany and london. in a
moment, a new recipe for the great british bake off, we look ahead as it prepares to launch on channel 4 next week. before that, millions watched as the moon passed in front of the sun yesterday giving the us is first total solar eclipse in almost a century. but it actually began more than 800 miles from american shores — in a desolate spot over the north pacific ocean. a handful of lucky passengers got the chance to see the spectacle before anyone else, from a special boeing 737 flight which chased the moon‘s shadow at 40,000 feet. james cook was on board. as the day dawned, the chase was on. the moon was after the sun, and we were on the tail of both. from portland, in the north—western state of oregon, the flight dubbed solar one struck out across the pacific. by the time we arrived,
800 miles from the shore, our satellite was already taking a chunk out of our star. ten, nine, eight, seven... and as the moment of totality drew close, time itself seemed to speed up. oh, my god! totality, totality. it‘s such an incredibly breathtaking express. —— experience. words don‘t do itjustice, and neither do pictures or video, or anything. it‘s just incredible to witness, really it is. it‘s just amazing. how was that? it was amazing. it was more beautiful than anything i could have imagined. it was diverse in colour and density, and it was just amazing. just too short, reallyjust too short. jasmine shepherd and her brother
were the envy of their fellow americans, having won a competition to see the eclipse fully 15 minutes before the rest of the world. we‘re so lucky to have viewed the spectacular event. we‘re in awe, and humbled and grateful. it was a great experience, and everybody on board was so excited. and the countdown to totality was very cool, so we were very excited. god is good, that's all i can say, god is good. that was a breathtaking moment, but it was over in a flash. the shadow is now racing towards the united states, where millions more are watching and waiting. but only those on board could say that they were the first to see the spectacle, from a front row seat in the theatre of the heavens. james cook, bbc news, above the pacific ocean. some people called it bread—xit when it was announced that the great british bake off
was leaving the bbc to pitch its white tent with channel 4. here‘s a sneak peak of what to expect. nobody wants to be the first to leave but who is in danger # the show stopper was stunning. stacey athey was in danger. peter has not done well. the flavours are spectacular but the baking falls short. none of that sounds straightforward. we had to send somebody away. you could send noel. i'll go now. i'll go now actually and take a hit for the team. it's been great, i've loved working with you guys. you will be fine. i‘m joined by tv critic emma bullimore, who saw a sneak preview of episode 1 yesterday, and julian aquilina from enders analysis, which looks at trends in media. you got to see the first episode #
it is unbelievably similar to the original. we did not want to like it to be disloyal to mary berry, but it is so similar, it is really good. the music is the same, the tone is the same, even someone like noel fielding, people thought he might be a little bit alternative. but he is so a little bit alternative. but he is so gentle. a few little innuendos in there. and just that same recipe for success as it was before. if you come with an open mind you will really struggle to dislike it. the point is we believe channel 4 paid a fortune for this. so they have to get back there are 75 minute pounds somehow and that will be through the advertisements. if you're looking at coming back £25 million per season,
whether through advertising or sponsorship, there is a lot of money to be made but we think they can do it. there are huge premiums that the will be able to charge for these mass audiences but also a younger demographic. and the programme is going to be 75 minutes but we are hearing that anything up to 17 minutes is adverts. that is huge. it sounds like a lot but actually it is in line with the other commercial public service broadcasters in that kind of time slot. they can carry that much advertising, it is a tightly regulated industry. with strict limits on how much that you can carry. so not quite so bad as people may think. we believe people will still be tuning in the programme. but when you saw that the i‘m guessing you werejust programme. but when you saw that the i‘m guessing you were just shown the programme without the brakes? we saw with the brakes would be but not the adverts. it was brought up
afterwards and prue leithjust adverts. it was brought up afterwards and prue leith just said spin through the adverts. channel 4 looked horrified! but they said we make no apology, we are a commercial broadcaster and of course we‘re going to cram this successful programme full of adverts. you have been writing about television for some time, with someone, everyone is going to tune in for the first one just to see. but as the season bed soon, could some people think, i‘m fed up with these adverts and if i record it i know that i will be able to scroll through. i think people will do that, that is what i would do. there is that social media element with people wanting to join in and so they would need to do it live. but i could see a lot of people watching it later because the adverts are tedious. interesting in terms of what that could go towards, once people have seen the first
initial episode. absolutely, that is always a concern with a programme that risk will you need to make the money back. but at the end of the day people are used to consuming television content with advertising. the vast majority of video viewing todayis the vast majority of video viewing today is still through the tv set and still live so 70% is still lives on the tv set. so people are used to seeing adverts. we talk up so much about netflix for example? we know with online demand younger people may not like adverts so much but the younger “— may not like adverts so much but the younger —— the older generation understand that trade—off with advertising to fund those programmes and the content. and channel 4 at the end of the day will make money from the show and will invest in new programming. so in a word it is a hit. i think it will be. thank you
very much. a good way to end the hour. let‘s take a look at the weather prospects. good evening. it was baking in wales today, the warmest it has been all month in fact. war in the way of sunshine across england and wales today and even southern scotland. —— more. but rain across county fermanagh here and neighbouring cou nty fermanagh here and neighbouring county tyrone. up to one inch in just a few hours. some showers across england and wales, the cloud brett lee appeared there. that is the focus of the rain, wet across much of northern ireland over the next few hours and that will push its way up into scotland as well. heavy rain, perhaps thunder as well. some more showers and longer spells of rain perhaps arriving later in the north of england. warm and muggy
across the south—east as it was last night. for tomorrow we quickly see fresh air coming into northern ireland, and some sunshine. following that rain overnight. but the rain is still across scotland and pushing further east albeit quite slowly. quite wet in the north of england. starting to dry off in wales and we start to see the sunshine coming through. for much of england it is some cloud mostly with warm and muggy air ahead of that weather front. but the weather front pushing towards the east and it ta kes pushing towards the east and it takes the rain across scotland, northern england, taking some fine for that to clear. then the sunshine comes out and we get some showers chiefly across northern ireland. bhullar and fresh air coming in, the last of the warm air in the south—east. fresh air on a westerly breeze and temperatures back to
around 1920 degrees. heading into thursday, we finish with that weather front out of the way, coming into the fresher air. we need to keep an eye on this low pressure. so the weather will be changing. further south higher pressure in charge so will probably dry across much of wales, the midlands, southern england. further north not southern england. further north not so dry, wetter weather coming into northern ireland and a fair few showers in scotland. some of those could be heavy. again possibly sundry. so we have that split and into the weekend is still the chance of some showers but also some sunshine. four moroccans appear in court in spain in connection with the terror attacks that
killed 15 people. they‘re the only surviving members of a group of 12 — one tells the judge that they had been planning a much bigger attack. reliving the attack in barcelona — the british tourist who put himself in danger to try to help a fatally injured child. i was afraid for the boy at that point. when i looked at his injuries, they were severe. i was actually quite emotional at that point because i knew straight away that this boy had to be seven or eight years old, which is the same age as my son. we will have the latest from spain. also on the programme tonight: a change of heart for president trump as he decides to send more us troops