tv Victoria Derbyshire BBC News October 11, 2017 9:00am-11:01am BST
hello. it's wednesday, it's 9 o'clock, i'm victoria derbyshire, welcome to the programme. our top story today — angelina jolie and gwyneth paltrow are the latest hollywood stars to claim they were sexually harassed by hollywood producer harvey weinstein. i think harvey is finished in hollywood. i really do. i don't see how anyone can work with him. his lawyers released a sometime suggesting the incidents were consensual. yes. i hope he's watching. say that to my face. , harvey. that was actress zoe brok. former us president barack obama and his wife michelle have expressed disgust about allegations. also on the programme — we'll bring you a special report on heroin use in the uk — one person every five hours hours dies from the drug. i've put it before my children.
do you need heroin more than your children? yeah, ido. that full extended report shortly. and a senior official at kensington and chelsea borough council has admitted the system for getting survivors of the grenfell tower fire into new homes has "probably" not been successful. we'll get reaction. hello and welcome to the programme, we're live until iiam. throughout the programme — the latest breaking news and developing stories and as always keen to hear from you. a little later in the programme we'll be speaking to drew povey who you may know as the inspirational head in the current series of channel 4's educating greater manchester. he'll tell us how he's turned round a failing school. if you want to talk to him, do get in touch, use the hashtag victoria live and if you text,
you will be charged at the standard network rate. our top story today. the former us president barack obama and his wife michelle have said they are "disgusted" by the allegations against the hollywood film producer and high—profile democrat supporter, harvey weinstein. the actresses angelina jolie and gwyneth paltrow have joined the growing number of women who have claimed they were sexually harassed by him. mr weinstein has denied the allegations. our correspondent david willis has more. it's great to be making movies in england... to the growing list of hollywood a—listers who harvey weinstein stands accused of sexually harassing or assaulting, add heather graham. she says he propositioned her, albeit indirectly, during a meeting in his office. a few years after that, ambra battilana gutierrez, a former finalist in the miss italy contest, went to the police claiming harvey weinstein had sexually assaulted her. she wore a recording device to their next meeting, and the interaction makes for uncomfortable listening. three women have now accused
harvey weinstein of rape, an accusation he unequivocally denies, and some of hollywood's biggest names are separately accusing him of unwanted advances, among them gwyneth paltrow, angelina jolie, ashleyjudd, mira sorvino, and rosanna arquette. we went to his office, and we had a great conversation about his current film... the former actress and writer louisette geiss recalled pitching a screenplay to harvey weinstein in 2008. after about 30 minutes, he asked to excuse himself and go to the bathroom. he returned in nothing but a robe, with the front open, and he was buck naked. weinstein‘s wife, the british designer georgina chapman, announced last night she was leaving him, in the light of the allegations.
as that statement was being released, reports emerged that mr weinstein was making a departure of his own, to europe, on a private plane. it's thought he plans to undergo treatment for sex addiction, in the hope of one day resurrecting his hollywood career. we'll exclusively speak to model and actress zoe brock who says she too was a victim of sexual harassment by harvey weinstein. and also to a woman who worked with him. ben brown is in the bbc newsroom with a summary of the rest of the day's news. the chancellor, philip hammond, says taxpayers' money should not be spent on preparing for a "no deal" brexit. speaking ahead of next month's budget, mr hammond said he would spend only when it was "responsible" to do so. the chancellor said he had
a responsibility to be "realistic" about the challenges of leaving the eu. a senior official at kensington and chelsea borough council has told this programme that the system for getting survivors of the grenfell tower fire into new homes has "probably" not been successful. many of those who escaped the fire are still in hotels and temporary accommodation, nearly four months on. the authority says it plans to find 300 new homes by christmas. the spanish prime minister will hold an emergency cabinet meeting this morning to discuss the catalan president's declaration of independence. last night carles puigdemont said catalonia had won the right to be an independent republic, but he suspended the move for several weeks to allow for talks with the government in madrid, as andrew plant reports. confusion, consternation, and anger, too. this crowd of people, eager for catalonia to separate from spain, watching as their leader first declared independence, and then delayed taking any action. translation: the government
and myself propose that this parliament suspends the effects of the independence declaration in order to establish dialogue, without which we cannot reach a solution. for many, it was a disappointing end to almost two weeks of turmoil, that started with a referendum and scenes of police brutality, as spain's central government declared the vote illegal, their patience with catalonia's separate regional government now clearly wearing thin. translation: the speech the president gave is that of a person who doesn't know where he is, where he's going, or who he wants to go there with. the government can't accept the validity given to the catalan referendum law, because it was ruled illegal by the spanish constitutional court. so what next for spain? the leader of catalonia's regional assembly has disappointed many supporters, who wanted an unequivocal declaration of independence.
meanwhile, spain's prime minister has called an extraordinary cabinet meeting to work out a way forward, on an issue where it is increasingly hard to see where any common ground can ever be found. an unprecedented ban on protesters outside abortion clinics could be introduced in a west london borough. councillors in ealing approved a proposal to stop anti—abortion groups protesting outside a local marie stopes clinic after more than 3,000 residents signed a petition. the good counsel network, which holds daily vigils outside the centre, denies harassing women. a plan to make the uk the safest place in the world to use the internet is being unveiled today. the government's internet safety strategy will include new measures to tackle online abuse and make children safer on social media sites. here's our technology correspondent rory cellan—jones. lego life, a website where children can safely meet and share
what they've built. the government says this is an example of how to build a safe internet experience, and it wants other tech firms to act to protect users young and old from harm. the internet safety strategy calls for a new code where social media firms agree to work together against bullying and abuse, a tax on the internet industry to fund an awareness campaign, and an annual report where firms reveal what progress they've made in tackling abuse. children's charities have been consulted about the strategy. they say parents need more help from the technology industry. what we find is that parents are being overwhelmed with information. they are getting loads of information, but what they are not getting is help when something goes wrong. and that is really, really important when you think that most children get a mobile phone by the time
they are eight years old. this is something that parents of even very young children are having to try and deal with. facebook says it's already working with the government to make the online world safer. but the question now is whether the uk can impose a new code on powerful globalfirms. there has been a surge in deaths from heroin addiction across the uk. the number of people dying from heroin or morphine abuse has doubled in five years to more than 1600 in england, wales and scotland — the highest number since records began. four of the uk's police and crime commissioners have told the bbc they would like to see the drugs decriminalised for personal use. scientists are working on a treatment that they hope could reduce the number of miss carriages. they are looking into a link between sperm, dna and unexplained miscarriages. 0ne
sperm, dna and unexplained miscarriages. one in four couples who find out they are pregnant go on to lose the baby. the energy regulator 0fgem has announced they will cap gas and electricity bills for one million customers. their plans will help vulnerable customers who struggle with their energy bills, but is not as wide—reaching as government plans to cap prices for 12 million people. 0fgem's proposals will come into effect next february. that's a summary of the latest bbc news — more at 9.30am. thank you very much. i have got a couple of comments from you about harvey weinstein and the allegations that continue to be made about him, going back decades. stevie on twitter says, "isn't the real story why these women failed to speak out and expose him, thus protecting others from him?" lee says, "it is because he had the money to ruin them and hire lawyers and to discredit them and ensure they never worked again." we will
bring you an interview from zoe brock, she describes what she says happened to her as a young woman trying to make it in the business and makes various claims about harvey weinstein including that she would happily see him in court. that's coming up, exclusively, her first tv interview in the next few minutes. let's talk about argentina. let's talk about argentinam wasn't the campaign they were going for. there was so much pressure going into the same with equador last night. argentina haven't not made a world cup qualifiers, not made a world cup qualifiers, not made a world cup qualifiers, not made a world cup finals rather since 1970. they've won two of them. it is inconceivable to imagine they wouldn't be there. when equador scored the first goal in the first minute of the game last night, i think a nation held their breath, but thanks to this man, lionel
messi, a hat—trick saved the day. they won 3—1 which means they will be heading off to the world cup in russia next year. and we know the result. you can see what that meant to them, of course. this is buenos aires. i think the celebrations probably went on well into the night last night! some big names through to russia and some absences. bring us up—to—date with everything. that's right. as you have seen so much happiness for so you have seen so much happiness for so many teams, but disappointment. we saw portugal going through. it was an incredible result for them. it wouldn't have been a world cup without them either, would it? they beat switzerland. disappointment for switzerland who won their last nine games, but this does mean they are through, portugal and maybe the fan support had something to do with it. look who was there in the stands last night, none other than madonna. her son david is training to be a
professional footballer. so hopefully she enjoyed that 2—0 result for portugal last night. there has been a huge shock, the united states, they were eliminated last night and that was to do with panama's win, their 2—1 win. that was a controversial game actually victoria. mostly because of a goal that may or may not have gone over the line, but it does mean that the usa will not be in russia next year which is the first time for them since 1986. but you can see what it means for panama. this isjust since 1986. but you can see what it means for panama. this is just the streets last night. the people reasoning on to the streets there, hugely excited that they are going to make it to their first world cup. what a result for them. just incredible and actually they have declared a national holiday, but usa it was a horrible game for them. it was a shock defeat to trinidad & tobago. in part thanks to an
open—goal. and the footballer reresponsible for the own goal spoke after the game of his dipointment. it hit off my shin and it happened to go overtim it hit off my shin and it happened to go over tim howard. 0ne it hit off my shin and it happened to go over tim howard. one of the most unlucky goals ever. i think for myself and it's one that will haunt me forever. you have to feel for him though, don't you? the huge celebration that we have seen, it brings you back down—to—earth when you see that disappointment, but plenty more to come when we get into the play—offs though. thank you very much. good morning, welcome to the programme. it is 9.143l. these are just some of the women who have accused one of hollywood's biggest producers and movie moguls harvey weinstein of sexual assault and harassment. three separate women have also now accused him of rape. a string of actresses have made
allegations about controlling and abusive behaviour — behaviour which was known about in hollywood for decades — but ignored — because he was so powerful he could make or break a career. mr weinsteen denies the three rape allegations. angelina jolie and gwyneth paltrow are the latest to speak out about what they say happened to them early in their careers. angelina jolie says: in a statement, gwyneth paltrow alleged that after weinstein cast her in the leading role in emma, he summoned her to his hotel suite, where he placed his hands on her and suggested massages in his bedroom. this is what gwyneth paltrow said...
"i was a kid, i was signed up, i was petrified". she said she told her then—boyfriend brad pitt about the incident, and that he confronted weinstein. "i thought he was going to fire me," she said. there probably isn't a hollywood star who hasn't worked with harvey weinstein. he co—founded miramax which produced huge hits like pulp fiction, clerks, the crying game, sex lies and videotape and kill bill. you've probably seen many of his films. it's said that he's been thanked in 0scar ceremonies more times than god. though the the allegations only emerged last week, it's probably inconceivable that most in hollywood hadn't heard about them. have a look at what family guy star seth mcfarlane and la la land star emma stone say about him during the oscar nominations back in 2013. the 2012 nominees for best performance by an actress in a
supporting role are... sally field in lincoln. anne hathaway in les miserables. jacki weaver in silver linings playbook. helen hunt in the sessions. and amy adams in the master. congratulations — you five ladies no longer have to pretend to be attracted to harvey weinstein. laughter. comedian tina fey wrote a joke for 30 rock where one character quipped, "i'm not afraid of anyone in show business. i turned down intercourse with harvey weinstein on no less than three occasions... out of five." rosanna arquette who starred with madonna in desperately seeking susan says she believed her career suffered when she rejected his advances. yesterday the new yorker magazine released audio, in which weinstein apparently admits he groped a former miss italy finalist ambra battilana,
before saying: "i'm used to that." have a listen. i'm used to that. he was also a fundraiser for the democrat party in the states having raised money forformer president barack obama and last year's presidential candidate hillary clinton. barack obama and his wife michelle released a statement saying they "have been disgusted by the recent reports about harvey weinstein". and that they "celebrate the courage of women who have come forward". hillary clinton says she was "shocked and appalled" by the revelations about weinstein, who donated to her 2016 presidential campaign. harvey weinsten is accused of using nondisclosure agreements and settlements to cover up his behaviour. he has not been charged with
criminal offences; two years ago there was a police investigation into his conduct. the latest claims to emerge are of rape. three women have accused him of raping them. in a statement released last night his lawyers said: "any allegations of non—consensual sex are unequivocally denied by mr weinstein. mr weinstein has further confirmed that there were never any acts of retaliation against any women for refusing his advances. mr weinstein obviously can't speak to anonymous allegations, but with respect to any women who have made allegations on the record, mr weinstein believes that all of these relationships were consensual. mr weinstein has begun counselling, has listened to the community and is pursuing a better path." that is where the lawyer's statement ends. over the weekend his hollywood studio, the weinstein company,
fired him over the allegations and yesterday his wife, designer georgina chapman, said she was leaving him. some people are supporting him — fashion designer donna koran says she's standing by him and mean girls star lindsay loahn posted this video message on her instagram account overnight — but it's since been deleted. i think georgina needs to take a stand and be there for her husband. he's never harmed to me or done anything wrong to me, and we've done several movies together, and so i think everyone needs to stop, i think it's wrong. so stand up. in her first tv interview, model and actress zoe brock told us she was a victim of sexual harassment by harvey weinstein, and claimed that in 1997 she was brought back to a hotel under false pretences. i'm matt asiata had dinner party at the cannes film festival. —— i met
harvey at a dinner party. a fairly innocuous affair, i sat next to him ona innocuous affair, i sat next to him on a long dinner table, there were a lot of people there, i didn't know who he was and i thought he was a nice guy. we had a long conversation and ata nice guy. we had a long conversation and at a certain point i found out the name of his production company was miramax. 0bviously the name of his production company was miramax. obviously i had heard of it and he had produced and distributed a movie of a family friend of ours, so i felt pretty safe with him. his group of people on my group of people all went out on my group of people all went out on the town and went to some parties afterwards. at no point in that even then did i everfeel hit on or u nsafe then did i everfeel hit on or unsafe or as if i was dealing with a bunch of misogynists or anything like that. they were extremely respectful, and fun, we had a great time. and then things went a little bit pear shaped. go on. around
midnight we wanted to leave... and there were so many of us, there were about three town cars and all my friends piled into two whilst i was talking to harvey and people and being distracted. when the two cars we re being distracted. when the two cars were full, harvey offered me a ride. so he and his entourage and i got into one car. we were all supposed to meet at the same place, but instead my friends went down to the wharf to get about where we were staying. and i was told ourfriends would be meeting us there. went up to the room and shortly after that his little entourage started peeling off one by one until there was just
his assistant, harvey and i in the room. at this point i was an really high alert that something was going down, and! high alert that something was going down, and i knew it. i'd turned... i assume he was his assistant, he certainly did everything he asked but let's call him his sycophant. i turned to harvey's sycophant and said, what is happening? he said he would go to the lobby and check if there was any trouble getting to the room. that is the moment i should have gone with him, but i didn't, i kind of throws. i was still trying to understand what was happening. he left and harvey walked out of the room and walked back in naked. he came back in naked? naked. what did you say? he said he wanted a massage andi you say? he said he wanted a massage and i said no. i can't honestly... i'm a little hazy at that point. i
know that i was really taking stock of the situation, and assessing escape routes and what was the best option for me. i reallyjust couldn't tell, i couldn't tell which was safest, i didn't feel safe anywhere. when i didn't want to give him a massage, he offered to give me one. that didn't seem as dangerous at that point, so i let him put his hand on my shoulders, thinking if i gave in a little bit i could placate him. but! gave in a little bit i could placate him. but i didn't like that. then he touched me, iwas him. but i didn't like that. then he touched me, i was really repulsed and scared and ijumped up and ran to the bathroom, which was through his bedroom, to the left. and locked the door, and he chased me and was pounding on the door and begging me to come out. wow. you must have been
terrified. it was pretty full on. i was, but i was more angry than anything. i didn't process terror, i don't process terror and those situations, i was angry, on fire. so yeah, eventually he calmed down and promised to step away and put clients on and leave me alone. i could tell from the distance of his voice when he next spoke that he had left the door, so there was distance between him and i. —— and put on some clients. i decided i was going to open that door. what did you shout through the door when he was pounding on the door? thanks for reminding me. i shouted, put your clothes bond, you naughty boy. which is ludicrous and almost
comical, when you think about it. a 22—year—old and... what was he, 45? anyway, it worked. condescending, i was speaking to him with condescension and anger seemed to work, strangely, don't know why. i don't really understand his kind of psychology, but anyway... when i came out, he was wearing a robe and sitting on the bed and crying. he was crying? he was crying. what did he say? i should have given him a big hug, shouldn't i? what did he say? he said you don't like me because i'm fat. i've never forgotten that, it was the strangest thing. and then what did you do? well, it was this weird thing, i'm super sensitive and very
compassionate people who are suffering so for a moment i felt really bad for him. which, you know, kind of makes me want to smack myself on the head. i felt really bad for him. at that moment, i felt... i'm sorry i keep saying like, i'm so tired. it's fine. i felt like i got an insight into potentially what his insecurities we re potentially what his insecurities were and what made him who he was or maybe what made him seek out power, fame, money. i have no idea. at least, that's how i processed it at the time. i was like, is this an insight into who he is, did something happen to him when he was a kid? was he rejected so many times by women? i really didn't know and that's how i started rationalising it to myself and feeling kind of sorry for him. people have pointed out since whenever i have told this story, and i have told this story a
lot, he probably just story, and i have told this story a lot, he probablyjust bleep me and it was likely it was another bruise to seduce me. you will have heard that his lawyers have reduced a statement —— released a statement which suggests all these incidents were consensual. yeah... i hope he's watching. say that to my face, harvey. iwould happily stand there in a courtroom and testify. happily. the way you have described what has happened suggests there were a number of people around him who knew exactly what was going to happen later that evening, involving you. is that fair? absolutely, as assistant is that fair? absolutely, as assista nt after is that fair? absolutely, as assistant after this went down and pulled me aside and apologised and said it all been many times this has happened, this is the first time he really felt he was —— i was the
wrong person to do this too because he thought i deserved better. whatever that means... was i smarter or in any way better than those other women? did they deserve it for being stupid or something question at that didn't make any sense to me. nobody deserves it. and then after, when i got to the hotel and called up when i got to the hotel and called up an actorand when i got to the hotel and called up an actor and asked him about it, he said it was common knowledge, that this happened to everyone in hollywood and he had been trying to warn me all night but i hadn't got it. my ba by‘s warn me all night but i hadn't got it. my baby's about to start crying, i'm warning you. i'm going to let you go and look after your baby. i'm so you go and look after your baby. i'm so grateful, thank you so much, so we, well done. thank you, cheers. we can speak exclusively now to leslie lee, a successful producer who started her career at miramax studios when weinstein was at the helm — this is the first time she's talked publicly... i would like you to react first of all from what you heard from zoe
brock? i can feel my heart pounding... the terror. he never touched me and i never had any problems with him that way but i had other issues, which we will talk about. the feeling, sitting here and talking for the first time in television about my time at miramax, i'm thinking, harvey's going to kill me. even though i know now that everybody knows about it... that's the large shadow that he is cast over my psyche all these years. why is he able to cast that shadow?” was there as an intern and this was in the 905. and although i was never harassed in the way these poor other women were, i certainly experienced the bullying and intimidation, the 5heer bulk of him, because he was a lot larger then, and his infamous volcanic temper, a5 lot larger then, and his infamous volcanic temper, as they called it, had a much darker edge. i don't think people realised a messy work
there. what happened to you specifically after you walked out of a film of his you were expected to sit through? he would buy things with his acquisition teams, means films and the staff were expected at a certain lunch time on a friday that we would all go and pile into the screening room and watch a film. and as it turned out, it was a film about an interracial romance that i didn't particularly find, i found interracial romance that i didn't particularly find, ifound it somewhat offensive to be honest. i thought it was patronising and i was hungry, i hadn't eaten anything all day and i had a half eaten sandwich on my desk. i was in the legal department and i knew i had a pile of co ntra cts department and i knew i had a pile of contracts i was expected to look at, and so i thought i'll quietly sneak out. i did it quietly. i snuck out. and as soon as i got back at my desk and i logged on to the computer there was a large shadow that appeared and all of harvey weinstein
sat on my desk and said, "what the hell are you doing? why aren't you in there?"| hell are you doing? why aren't you in there?" i said, i'm sorry, i have a lot of work, i'm really hungry and he said that's no excuse, you have got to get back in there. i thought at this point, he was so terrifying and i, you know, you start babbling. isaid and i, you know, you start babbling. i said well, actually, it's not a great film. which was probably a stupid thing to say, but i couldn't think of anything better to say and that was the first reaction and he said why not? i told him and he went hah and he shuffled off. i was sat there feeling with my heart pounding thinking how quickly did he get out of that conference room, that screening room, of that conference room, that screening room , you of that conference room, that screening room, you know, that he was able to get there that fast and also the second thing that entered my mind was i am all alone with him and everybody is at the screening and everybody is at the screening and if he were to clock me with a stapler or push me or something, who would be around to see that? did you really think that was a possibility?
i felt threatened, definitely threatened. that was the intention, but i think also, it was just terrifying really. and then happened after that? there was another incident that stands out which this has brought back to me which i was working at my desk and i used to sit—ina working at my desk and i used to sit—in a glass office with a glass window pane in front of me and i was typing and the glass shattered and i cas wofrd in bits of glass and this huge crystal ashtray went whizzing past my right ear and i ducked and i thought somebody is shooting. something is going on here, but it was that kind of a toxic environment in that office that everybody was quiet, nobody screamed. nobody shouted. nobody said oh my god, nobody said anything. the two people i was sitting with in that office continued typing as if nothing had happened. who had thrown the ashtray? then i saw a security
guard, well i saw, the late director running down the corridor shouting obscenities at harvey, you know, and harvey calmly stomped out and said, "somebody needs to fix that." and somebody get security and of course, security was called and he was escorted out and i think only then did one person in the marketing person come into the office and pick me up off the floor and said i'm sorry that happened. are you 0k? nobody commented on it. nobody said anything. if i were to ask some of my old colleagues whose names have surfaced in some of the reports they would probably say, "i don't remember that." thank would probably say, "i don't remember that. " thank you very would probably say, "i don't remember that." thank you very much, lesley. who started her career at the company when harvey weinstein watt at the helm. and, of course, harvey weinstein denies the allegations of rape
and says all encounters were consensual. next this morning — the surge in deaths from heroin addiction across the uk. last year there was a death from heroin or morphine abuse every five hours. the annual cost of drug addiction to society is now more than £15 billion. heroin and morphine deaths have doubled in 5 years. so why is its use increasing in popularity? and is enough being done to tackle it? four of the uk's police and crime commissioners — who're responsible for police budgets — have added their voice to a growing number of those in senior law enforcement who would like to see the drugs decriminalised for personal use. our special correspondent ed thomas has this report. it features disturbing and graphic images of the reality of drug use for many addicts which you might not want children to watch. it lasts around 15 minutes. 0.2 grams in weight, £10 in money.
heroin, it's evil. it changes people. really changes people. you can get it from most backstreets in most villages. the needles have got blood inside them. the only way they're going to fund that habit is by dishonest means which is going to be stealing stuff. how long did it take you to get it? about five minutes, if that. the first thing is to actually decriminalise personal use. of heroin? of all drugs. do you want that more than seeing your children? yeah. county durham, searching for the next hit. i haven't got time to look for a job, being a drug addict is a full—time job. every day, the same. by the time i do get sorted, it's time to start all over again. i'm not letting them in. what are you doing, then? getting something. and this is lisa's life. a mother ruled by heroin.
i'd put it before my children. do you need heroin more than your children? yeah. i do. before all this, lisa was married with five children, two jobs. then she faced violence, heroin and despair. i lost my oldest daughter, and that's where basically every night since, i've just used that asa coping... i haven't really dealt with her death, i've just buried my hand in the sand. i wanted to stop the pain, stop hurting. so it numbed... it numbed the pain, by using heroin. now drugs and chaos surround her. as we talk... herfriends get high in the kitchen. there's weed everywhere. not only weed, no.
i'm not the same person i was. do you want to be that person again? the person you were before you took heroin? i don't really know who that person is now. every five hours in the uk, someone dies after taking heroin or morphine. in the north—east, there are more drug—related deaths than anywhere else in england. how many friends have you lost? aye, there's loads. how many? at least 20. 20 friends, from heroin overdoses? yeah. my son, niall, was 12 when he first became addicted to drugs. eventually, i got the knock on the door and they found him dead. he was 28 years old. partly it was a relief because i was waiting for it. i knew. what's that like as a mother, saying you were relieved? terrible, really, terrible.
over 16 years, niall lied, threatened and stole from his mum, for drugs, for heroin. i was really tortured mentally. really. very badly. i did actually threaten to commit suicide one night, i left a note, i couldn't even go to bed and keep my purse under my pillow because he would creep in during the night and get it. how do you remember your son? that smiling boy. that's what i've got to remember. and this is the cost of addiction on our streets. walked in, noticed the fridge was gone. came into the kitchen, cooker was gone. i'm going to go in, the needles you've got lying around in there. 0n patrol with durham police.
there's uncapped needles. the needles have got blood inside them. every day, the same. they need to fund that habit. they're not working so how do you fund that habit? the only way they're going to fund the habit is by dishonest means which is going to be stealing stuff. whether it's popping into the co—op or asda and stealing meat, or whether it's stealing property to sell onjust to get your next fix. yeah, could you inform custody, we're en route with one adult male for shoplifting. the government says up to half of all crimes like shoplifting, theft and robbery are committed by offenders who use cocaine, crack cocaine and heroin. i would say the majority of the people we deal with repeat people all the time, whether it be thefts from shops or theft of metal and stuff from garden centres, or stuff out of gardens just to sell, it's not high—value stuff, it's just small, low—level crime to fund an addiction. you're seeing the same faces again and again?
yes, constantly. the same faces. again... and again. can you tell us how you feel? just, sick. how many times have you been arrested? over 100. for? shoplifting, driving, possession. why, though, why? all to do with drugs, to get drugs. heroin? yeah. what do you think about when you wake up in the morning? going out to get sorted. for drugs? yeah. in the middle of the day, what do you think about? drugs. when you go to sleep, what's the last thing you think about? getting sorted. what has heroin taken away from your life? family, kids.
everything. do you think anybody understands what you're going through? they don't feel like this, no. if you could have one thing, what would it be? my kids back. now, there's a call for radical change. i think the first thing is to actually decriminalise personal use. of heroin? of all drugs. if we go down that particular route, that then opens the door for a medical solution to the problem. nobody who dies from overdose... in switzerland, durham's police and crime commissioner is looking
for that medical solution. they tend to ask for less and less rather than more. it's called heroin assisted treatment. he believes it can reduce crime and save lives. they had no overdoses. no overdoses at all, goodness me, wouldn't thatjust be great if we could have that in the uk? what about people who think, hang about, this is free heroin? i don't want my police force to do that. it's free heroin, but we can arrest someone for heroin. we can put them into prison. it costs £40,000 a year. we've got to think of the costs, we've got to think of the cost that we're paying as a society. here, long—term addicts are patients... not criminals. no street dealers, just nurses. everyday, cha ntelle comes here to be treated. to be given medical grade heroin. now when i wake up in the morning, i'm happy. so maybe it's sad to
wake up and to be happy, because you have to take an injection, you know. but the most important thing is to be happy. we don't care why. it costs around £15,000 per year per patient. for some, the idea of bringing this to durham is controversial. what do you say to people who say, i've worked all my life, so why on earth are these people, many of them offenders, getting money off the state for heroin? i don't hear any outcry about people getting nicotine patches. to give up nicotine. but it's a health problem. i don't hear criticism of people getting help with their alcoholism. it's a health problem. the policies we adopted so far haven't worked, and we need to radically change those and i will continue to work tirelessly to do that. here, chantelle is safe. the needles are clean,
there's no risk of spreading diseases like hiv or hepatitis. she's off the streets. with people who care for her. we work with human beings who have chronic problems, an illness. and they need medication. everybody who has a sickness needs medication. one third of people have work, they come here in the morning, they take the treatment, they go to their work, they come back. one third of people have family, they have children. they bring their children to school in the morning, they come for the treatment, the same evening. drugs, filters, tinfoil. lisa knows this could one day kill her. she wants change, and believes heroin assisted treatments, the clinics in switzerland, could save her life. what would that mean to you? it would mean i could actually start
living again, because i was having to run about like a headless chicken to try and sort my day out, because by the time i do get sorted, it's time to start all over again. and that's all every day consists of. in switzerland, they say crime is down and no one has died in these clinics from an overdose. in the uk, heroin and morphine related deaths are at their highest levels since records began. and this is how people like lisa die. shooting up heroin from the streets. in every town and city, unseen, unheard. ed thomas with that harrowing report. if you've used heroin
or work with addicts — how do we best tackle the heroin endemic in the uk? do get in touch in the usual ways. interested in any solutions you might have. coming up... channel 4's educating greater manchester headmaster drew povey turned around the school once labelled "the worst in the country", and he is now working to reduce its debt. he'll be joining us after 10am to share some lessons he's learned. and next on the programme... what can be done to protect young people from bullies, abusers and groomers online? studies suggest parents are now more concerned about their children sexting than they are about drinking or smoking. today, the government's announcing plans to try to make the internet a safer place.
the proposals include an attempt to crack down on dangers like cyber—bullying, trolling, and under—age access to porn witth a promise to make britain "the safest place in the world to be online". an ambitious promise. we can speak now to paula snow and her daughter megan who was bullied online and says social media companies didn't do anything when they reported it and to vicki shotbolt from the charity parentzone who were involved in the government's consultation. welcome, all of you. megan, thank you for coming on the programme. to us you for coming on the programme. to us what happened to you at secondary school and the involvement of social media. i had a fake account made for media. i had a fake account made for me online. faq account, facebook? yes. and all my details for other social media websites are posted online. so i kept getting like harassment messages from other people online, basically saying that
i'm loads of names and calling me stuff, saying i should kill myself on things like that. the fake account copied a lot of stuff from my face but, like if a family member posted photos or if we went out for a day, they posted and put it online, making it look like it was me. they said most of my friends m essa g es me. they said most of my friends messages online, basically saying it was me and being mean to them, but it wasn't me, so i lost a lot of through that. how did that make you feel much are quite upset, because it wasn't me and they wouldn't understand that. did you complain to facebook? yes, they didn't do a lot about it after complaints from my families and friends that i ended up keeping. they took it down... when? two years. when was that? this year.
paula, tell us the effect of this trolling, this bullying, the fallout from the fake account on your daughter and on you? she always suffered from anxiety but she ended up suffered from anxiety but she ended up having an eating disorder. she was bullied at school, and because it carried on at home, it was just too much. this year she decided that shejust didn't too much. this year she decided that she just didn't want to be here any more, so she took an overdose. i didn't find out until the school had contacted me the next day what had happened. but this has been going on for such a long time. huge impact. it really was. my mum passed away last year so she had so much to deal with. what do you think about the way facebook dealt with the complaint, the fake account that was causing your daughter so much trouble? added it was disgusting, we didn't hearfrom trouble? added it was disgusting, we didn't hear from them for ages. to
get everyone to have to send a complaint in was ridiculous. they need to be more accountable for what's going on and there's not much security. anyone can get an e—mail address and password and steal your picture. you could be anybody you want. let me bring in vicky. the kind of things the government today are announcing include, potentially, are announcing include, potentially, a code of practice, social media code of practice, which as i understand it would be voluntary. social media companies would sign up voluntarily. compulsory lessons in social media awareness and safety, in lessons at school. what you think of those kinds of ideas?” in lessons at school. what you think of those kinds of ideas? i think the idea of making sure there is a code of practice, that companies are thinking about safety from the point of design, creating their app, is a good thing. but whether they do it... my experience is the big companies are trying, they clearly failed in your case, but they are trying, it's smaller and emerging
companies and on the right page at all. education, we have done a lot of education of the years and we have to keep doing education but it's not enough. what would help? i think the crucial thing we need is a bit more transparency. until we know how many people are reporting and what is happening to those reports and parents can get the questions to the questions you had... you want facebook, twitter, snapchat to report annually how many people complained, what they have complained, what they have complained about and what the company did about it? absolutely. because of the figures didn't look good it would force them to work harder? absolutely. we don't know how big the problem is. we have individual case and a sense it is a big problem but until we have that transparency, we don't know what we're dealing with. i am going to bring in matt hancock, the digital minister. good morning to you. how would what you are proposing have helped protect someone like megan?
it is stories like megan's that have motivated us to put forward this internet safety strategy. the internet safety strategy. the internet is an amazing thing and brings great freedoms, we can communicate with people all the way round the world but it also brings harms. we believe it is the responsibility of government to ensure that we protect those freedoms but also mitigate the harm is. i wonder what it is you are an ounce that will mitigate the harm someone ounce that will mitigate the harm someone like megan experienced. firstly the code of practice you discussed. this is in stats you to that we have a code of practice. what does that mean in plain english? it will be the law that social media companies need to abide by this code of practice, which will set out what is and isn't acceptable. so it isn't voluntary? no, we passed into law in the digital economy act earlier this year. at the same time as we also
put into law... sorry, so if they break that will come if they breach one of the points in the code of conduct, what is the sanction? we are also bringing in and proposing this social media levy alongside, and that's announced today. the idea there is the sanction, the money, there is the sanction, the money, the levy will go to helping people who have been bullied in this way. 0k, let me be specific. megan complained to facebook and it took them two years to take down the fake account which was causing so much misery to megan and her wider family. that presumably would breach or legal code of conduct. what would be the fine imposed on facebook for that? at the moment there wouldn't be won. we are putting out this consultation because we want to have people's views. i have a ten—year—old daughter, i'm about to go into this whole area personally, as well. so we feel very strongly that we have to make sure that the
internet is both this place of amazing freedom and innovation but also safe. we want to hear views. it's one of the reasons we've put it out and also on that transparency point that was mentioned... what is your own view, as the digital minister, do you think we should have that levy in walks question what you did promise it in your ma nifesto, what you did promise it in your manifesto, i think. what we would like to do is get in a position where we have the levy, if we need to legislate, then we will. but we are talking to the social media companies about it. part of the nature of the internet is its better to do these things with the social media companies, because ultimately they are the ones that do the takedowns. it is complicated. some people have said in the past because the internet is global, we can't act. well, absolutely we can. we have already legislated to make sure under 18s can't see pornography online. that comes into force in
april. we are prepared to legislate, but we also have to work with the companies because it is better if they are enthusiastic about sorting this problem out. facebook closes more than a million accounts every day. that is what they will say to you, no need to put a levy on us because we close 1 million fake accou nts because we close 1 million fake accounts every day. there's no need to tell me that, they tell me directly. my response to that is they are doing some things, we welcome that and work very closely with them on some areas, especially taking down terrorist material and child pornography. which is all still freely available. but there is more to do, exactly right, there is more to do, exactly right, there is more to do, exactly right, there is more to do. today's document is about getting eve rybody's more to do. today's document is about getting everybody's views. i wa nt about getting everybody's views. i want everybody who has a view on this who is watching today to go on to our website, have a look at the document, tell us what you think, tell us your experiences and then we can make sure this is an effort by the whole country. 0k,
can make sure this is an effort by the whole country. ok, i made a mistake, i thought the social media code of practice was voluntary. you are telling me it is already in law, is that right? yes, in the digital economy act. when did that happen? it came into force... it went through parliament just before it came into force... it went through parliamentjust before the election. so which social media companies are included under that umbrella of that act? the document we are publishing today is the formal consultation on how that code of practice will operate. so the views that are fed into this discussion we are kicking off with this document will go into actually writing code of practice. they have no choice, they have to abide by it? what the law says is we will have a code of practice and then you will be breaking the law if you don't abide by it if you are required to inaccurate practice. have you got the guts to slap a fine on a massive global successful company like
facebook? and rather not do it through fines but if it comes to that, yes, of course. we govern this country in the interests of citizens. it is in the interests of citizens. it is in the interests of citizens that you can use social media but also in the interest of citizens that it is done in a way thatis citizens that it is done in a way that is safe and secure. 0k. final question, which is a question your boss, the prime minister duct on lbc yesterday. like the premier mapper you've voted remain in the eu referendum. would you vote for brexit now? there is going to be another referendum. would you vote... it's crucial that reds and another referendum. we're not discussing if there should shouldn't be another one, there is in. if there was a vote now, would you vote for brexit? i'd take time to come to these decisions. i thought very carefully about it last time and voted remain. once the people have made their decision, it's very important we followed that decision otherwise there would be a much
bigger problem. the problem with saying i would look at the facts and come to a decision is it sounds like, asa come to a decision is it sounds like, as a government, you don't believe in your main policy.” believe in your main policy.” believe in your main policy.” believe in delivering an brexit, because that is the result of the referendum. before the referendum i saidi referendum. before the referendum i said i am going to vote remain and whatever the result, iwill abide by it and deliver it. even though i thought it was better to vote remain i also thought it was critical, because we are a democratic country, that what ever happened in the result, we delivered on that and thatis result, we delivered on that and that is what we are doing and i think we can make a success of it. thank you very much for talking to us, matt hancock, digital minister. quick reaction to what mr hancock said about the plans to hopefully help people like you?” said about the plans to hopefully help people like you? i think it's not enough, what they're doing, they need to try harder, to close down everything that people are opening for other people. like my case. they need to try harder to make the
filter what's going on on those pages. thank you very much, megan. and paula and vicky, thank you for your time. we will bring you the latest news and sport in a moment. before that, the weather. thank you and good morning. a thoroughly wet start to wednesday, particular of north—west england, northern ireland and north wales. massive puddles. a fairfew northern ireland and north wales. massive puddles. a fair few hours of relentless and heavy rain to come. by relentless and heavy rain to come. by the time we get to lunchtime, up to 100 millimetres across the lake district. there will be some minor flooding i suspect diggers into the afternoon but conditions will brighten eventually. brightening up in northern scotland and northern ireland, rain will ease away but showers will come in its wake. into the afternoon, sunshine will be out in northern england, north and west wales as that rain band starts to make its way towards the south and east. south—east england and east anglia will stay largely dry, only
one or two will showers. by the time it's rush hour, fairly damp in south—west england. rain on and off through the afternoon in the midlands, lincolnshire, parts of south and east yorkshire, peak district probably aesthetically wet. north of that, much better afternoon and enter the dates. still that ongoing risk of some flooding from the early brain. some scattered showers across northern ireland and scotland, some could be heavy and bunbury. but some dry and sunny weather in between. temperatures today not faring too badly, warmest in the south—east corner, where we could see some rain in the first pa rt could see some rain in the first part in that part of tonight. showers continuing in central scotland. a pretty fresh night, temperatures dropping in the countryside down to around 4—5. tomorrow morning, feeling much cooler across the uk. much sunnier started the day. many will stay dry, sunny spells, a bit more cloud and breeze. showers to begin within
scotland. they will be confined to some longer spells of rain in the far north later. temperatures tomorrow, a bit fresher but still pleasa nt tomorrow, a bit fresher but still pleasant enough, 13—18. hello, it's wednesday. it's10am and i'm victoria derbyshire. a5 for allegations continue to engulf harve dwri weinstein, one actor and model says she was sexually abused by him. ijumped up and ran to the bathroom, through his bedroom, and locked the door, and he chased me and was pounding on the door and begging me to come out. his lawyers relayed a statement saying the incedents were consensual. yeah, i hope he's watching. say that to my face, harvey. we'll get reaction from those
within the industry. also on the programme, a really powerful look at the widespread scale of heroin abuse in the uk where last year every five hours a person died from taking either heroin or morphine. by the time i do get sorted, it's time to start all over again and that's all every day consists of. and channel 4's educating greater manchester headmaster drew povey turned around the school once labelled "the worst in the country" and is now working to reduce its debt. time for the latest news, here's ben brown. the wife of producer harvey weinstein says she is leaving him following allegations of sexual harassment from a string of actresses. georgina chapman says weinstein's actions are "unforgivable". angelina jolie and gwyneth paltrow are the latest
women to come forward. mr weinstein denies allegations. earlier we spoke exclusively to actor and model zoe brock who claims she was sexually harassed after meeting harvey weinstein. he said he wanted a massage, could i give him a massage? and i said no. i can't honestly, i'm a little hazy at that point. i know that i was really taking stock of the situation. and assessing escape routes and what was the best option for me? i really just couldn't tell. i didn't feel safe anywhere. the chancellor, philip hammond, says taxpayers' money should not be spent on preparing for a "no deal" brexit. speaking ahead of next month's budget, mr hammond said the uk would be prepared for all scenarios, but would not spend money until it was responsible to do so. the spanish government has called
an emergency meeting after the president of the catalan region, carles puigdemont, signed a declaration of independence. mr puigdemont immediately suspended it to allow talks to be held. the government in madrid has said it won't be blackmailed. it disputes the legitimacy of the referendum held 11 days ago, in which catalan voters backed a split from spain. the energy regulator 0fgem has announced they will cap gas and electricity bills for one million customers. the plans will help vulnerable customers who struggle with their energy bills, but is not as wide—reaching as government plans to cap prices for 12 million people. 0fgem's proposals will come into effect next february. that's a summary of the latest bbc news. more at 10.30am. thank you very much, ben. do get in touch with us
throughout the morning — use the hashtag victoria live and if you text, you will be charged at the standard network rate. here's some sport now with holly hamilton. despite looking like they could be on their way out within the very first minute, argentina have booked their place at the world cup next year. it was thanks to this man — lionel messi — who scored a hat—trick which saw them go on to beat ecuador 3—1 — despite that early goal in the very first few seconds of the game — the quickest argentina have ever conceded in a world cup qualifier. things had looked shaky for portugal too, but they avoided the play—offs with victory over switzerland. the european champions were cheered on by none other than madonna. she's moved to lisbon with her son david, who's in the benfica youth academy. portugal won 2—0 to go straight through as group winners. the swiss take the play—off place where they could face northern ireland or the republic of ireland. disappointment for the usa though after losing to trinidad and tobego last night, they'll miss out on the world cup
finals for the first time since 1986. there was even a 17th—minute own goal by omar gonzalez who was inconsolable after the game. it hit off my shin and it happened to go right over the goalkeeper. one of the most unlucky goals ever i think for myself and... it's one that will haunt me forever. the united states elimination was in part thanks to panama's win last night. they beat costa rica 2—1. and just look at what it meant to them. the president of panama has declared today to be a national holiday as they qualify for the world cup finals for the very first time. the winner in that game, just two minutes from the final whistle so you can understand the emotions there. we have got plenty more coming up. victoria, back to you. thank you very much. good morning. welcome to the
programme. gwyneth paltrow and angelina jolie are the most famous women who have come forward to join the growing number of women accusing harvey gwyneth paltrow and angelina jolie are the most famous women who have weinstein of sexual harassment. the producer is facing a string of allegations and has been forced to deny three claims of rape. he is a hugely powerful figure in hollywood. he has been thanked in more oscar acceptance speeches than god. barack and michelle obama say they're disgusted by the reports — he was a major donor to the democratic party. zoe brock told us she was a victim of sexual harassment by harvey weinstein and claimed in 1997 she was brought back to a he tell in the south of france under false pretences. i put to zoe brock that mr weinstein was denying the allegations him. you will have heard zoe that his lawyers have released a statement which suggests that all these incidents were consensual?
yes? i hope he's watching. say that to my face, harvey. i would happily stand in a courtroom and tv. happily. the way you have described what has happened would suggest there were a number of people around him who knew exactly what was going to happen later that evening involving you. is that fair? 0h, absolutely. absolutely. his assistant after all this went down, his assistant pulled me aside and apologised and said of all the many times this happened he felt i was the wrong person to do this to because i was better. was i better or smarter than those women? were they stupid? no one deserves it. let's talk to richard hillgrove.
what do you make of the accusations? i think it is politically motivated. president trump and his people of the dark arts have got a of information together. this is an open secret in hollywood that harvey weinstein lives in a surreal court of king henry viii, as many women throw themselves on the powerful mogul, yes, he might have been a bad boum, but it is turning into an avalanche of smear against him is ridiculous. politically motivated? tell me why you believe that?” think you've got a situation where he's a majorfigure in think you've got a situation where he's a major figure in terms of his support for the democrats. and he is the king of hollywood in many ways
and he stance there as a shining example of support for barack obama and hillary clinton. the regime that under weinstein if you like has been against trump and trump was three days ago straight out there saying he is not surprised, not surprised at all. someone that is been work to go provide all the information to get this story to run. i know it was the new york times. journalists, yes. these women have spoken to journalist. these women have been speaking for many years. this has been going on for 30 years. it is no secret. seth mcfarland in 2013 stood on stage and said these five actresses will have to pretend they are attracted to harvey weinstein. he may have overstepped the mark. his advances may not have been welcomed by the actresses, but to turn him into a sexual predator, i
have heard there is three accusations of rape, that's the extremity, this is the rolling effect of the way the media can cook things up and if you push the buttons in the right way, you can ta ke buttons in the right way, you can take someone's reputation and destroy it in 48 hours and that's what is happening right now. there isa what is happening right now. there is a difference between rumours and this open secret which is the way you describe it and seth mcfarlane making a gag at an oscar nomination ceremony and many women on the record, some happily revealing their identity, telling, describing what they say harvey weinstein did to them. there is a difference? look, i argue you could say there is a difference, but when you say it's criminaland difference, but when you say it's criminal and this person is a predator, you have situations now, alfred hitchcock has been called a sexual harasser in a number of
different corners, but someone who is in different corners, but someone who isina different corners, but someone who is in a very powerful position, he may have taken advantage. he becomes a demonic figure. he is not a demonic figure. you have only met him twice. a lot of people don't like him. sorry to interrupt. when you say yes, he might have been a bad boy, what do you mean by that?” think hollywood, what goes on in the industry, is another world from what we would call normal daily life and... why? ijust think it is a surreal world. it's a world of power and influence and he has maybe taken advantage of the powerful position he was in. he's not a criminal. he isa he was in. he's not a criminal. he is a person who has taken advantage ofa is a person who has taken advantage of a situation. so you're not dmaoug then he has sexually harassed women? all i ask you is why 30 years gone
by and suddenly there is a huge avalanche come out right today? just today. why not five years, ten yea rs, today. why not five years, ten years, 15 years ago? why does that matter? why does that matter? no, it doesn't matter. but what he has been accused... doesn't matter. but what he has been accused. . . why doesn't matter. but what he has been accused... why are you raising it as accused... why are you raising it as a point then? what i'm saying this could cook up into being a criminal matter and from all the evidence i have seen, its not criminal behaviour. this is part of the course of hollywood. do you accept that? if its par of the course for hollywood? i don't accept it is the right behaviour whatsoever. i don't think it is necessarily the right thing to do, but this person who has been tarred and feathered and thrown out, hasn't done anything particularly wrong which a lot of people in that position wouldn't do and haven't done. i think a lot of
actresses know that they have to put up actresses know that they have to put up with unwelcome advances. they don't like it, but the problem that you'll get if he end up getting tried for rape, that's a vastly different situation than a whole lot of people saying they don't like his advances, they're of people saying they don't like his advances, they‘ re unwelcome. of people saying they don't like his advances, they're unwelcome. it's a very different situation. i believe the trump administration has been planting this and weinstein has been shouting out about donald trump, donald trump has taken advantage of this to condemn weinstein. so donald trump is what, persuaded gwyneth paltrow and angelina jolie and paid them off, he has persuaded them somehow? if you take the information in the public domain, in 2013, they were making jokes about it, these actresses were talking about it, people have known about it but it has not been criminal. but right
here, to takes on and burn them at the stake is very convenient to the trump administration. thank you very much, richard hillgrove. still to come before 11 o'clock... one in four couples who find out they're pregnant go on to lose the baby. often the pain of the father is ignored, we will look at that. a senior official at kensington and chelsea borough council has admitted the system for getting survivors of the grenfell tower fire into new homes has "probably" not been successful. many of those who escaped are still in hotels and temporary accommodation, nearly four months on. the authority says it plans to find 300 new homes by christmas. it announced it bought 68 luxury flats at an appartment block called kensington row, and though some survivors have been shown around, it's thought no—one has yet moved i'm joined now by rumayatu mamudu, a survivor of the fire at grenfell tower, who was moved
into a hotel with her grandson, about two miles away from grenfell tower. thank you and hello for talking to us, how are you. good morning victoria. thank you. to live in the hotel with your grandson? with my adopted grandson who has autism and adhd. what do you think about the fa ct adhd. what do you think about the fact that you are both still in one hotel room? it's unbearable, it is unbelievable. it is unthinkable. i mean, to say... all the processes we've been having, no one paid any proper attention to us, as if we are non—entities. they are trying to play politics with human lives. all the political parties are trying to
make the world feel that they are helping. but they are not helping, we are still stuck... we are worse than we started. why? why do you say it's worse now? because there's no way forward yet. they don't know how to communicate with poor people, that they think we are because we we re that they think we are because we were in grenfell tower. we are unreachable. we cannot live in proper houses. first of all we lost our homes... not the type of homes for us, they're not suitable. three bedrooms with one toilet, a child with autism and adhd, a 12—year—old
boy. this is ridiculous. how many homes have you been offered? a p pa re ntly homes have you been offered? apparently i've been offered unsuitable three homes. they will come and ask you, what are your needs? we will sit down with each individual, more than five different occasions, telling them these are our needs. i have a child, like i said, with autism and adhd, 12 years old. they give me a two bedroom, with no balcony, no space for the child for respite, with one toilet, which is adaptable to me. i am 70 yea rs which is adaptable to me. i am 70 years old. and it's not adaptable to the child, so i turned them down. obviously. they are not good enough
for people like me and the child. sorry to interrupt... said they were going to find out what we need. did you tell them what you did have that g re nfell tower? you tell them what you did have that grenfell tower? i told them what i did have in grenfell tower, i was younger in grenfell tower, the child was younger and we didn't sit with what has now happened to us, the shock. in fact, the boy hasn't gone back to his routine. inaudible saying why don't you dress properly, we might run out in the middle of the night again. there's a lot going on. we need to understand what they are doing with us. some people might say you are asking for more than you had that grenfell tower. chuckles i think grenfell tower, my own flats, i would say was comfortable,
because my sitting room was massive. we could find space for him there. when we had somebody sleeping in with him, you could put a bed for the nanny to use. but these little rooms they are showing is like a little corridor. i don't understand what's going on, really, and i'm not the only one in this predicament. so many of us. some people are crying everyday in the lobby, because they cannot understand what's going on. well, i'm grateful you have updated our audience and that you have spoken to us again. thank you so much, rumayatu mamudu, and obviously we will keep in touch. thank you. best wishes to you. thank you. i have some updated figures from the council about the accommodation that has been offered. they tell us,
kensington and chelsea, ten families have been rehoused in permanent accommodation, 44 families have been rehoused in temporary accommodation and seven families have been rehoused in kensington road. —— kensington temple. —— kensington row. every five hours in the uk, someone dies from taking heroin or morphine. the government says up to half of all crimes like shoplifting, theft and robbery are committed by offenders using drugs — crack, cocaine or heroin. now some police chiefs have called for radical change — decriminalisation of all drugs. our special correspondent ed thomas has an exclusive report on heroin use — we bough you the full version earlier in the programme — here's a short extract — it features disturbing and graphic images of the reality of drug use for many addicts — which you might not want children to watch. county durham, searching for the next hit. i haven't got time to look for a job, being a drug addict is a full—time job. every day, the same.
by the time i do get sorted, it's time to start all over again. i'm not letting them in. what are you doing, then? getting something. and this is lisa's life. a mother ruled by heroin. i put it before my children. do you need heroin more than your children? yeah. i do. before all this, lisa was married with five children, two jobs. then she faced violence, heroin and despair. i lost my oldest daughter, and that's where basically every night since, i've just used that asa coping... i haven't really dealt with her death, i've just buried my hand in the sand. every five hours in the uk, someone dies after taking heroin or morphine. in the north—east, there are more drug—related deaths than anywhere else in england. how many friends have you lost? at least 20. 20 friends, from heroin overdoses? yeah.
and this is the cost of addiction on our streets. walked in, noticed the fridge was gone. came into the kitchen, cooker was gone. i'm going to go in, the needles you've got lying around in there. on patrol with durham police. there's uncapped needles. every day, the same. the only way they're going to fund the habit is by dishonest means which is going to be stealing stuff. en route with one adult male for shoplifting. the government says up to half of all crimes like shoplifting, theft and robbery are committed by offenders who use cocaine, crack cocaine and heroin. the same faces. again... and again. can you tell us how you feel? just, sick. how many times have you been arrested?
over 100. now, there's a call for radical change. i think the first thing is to actually decriminalise personal use. of heroin? of all drugs. if we go down that particular route, that then opens the door for a medical solution to the problem. nobody who dies from overdose... in switzerland, durham's police and crime commissioner is looking for that medical solution. they tend to ask for less and less rather than more. it's called heroin assisted treatment. he believes it can reduce crime and save lives. it costs around £15,000 per year per patient. for some, the idea of bringing this to durham is controversial. what do you say to people who say, i've worked all my life, so why on earth are these people, many of them offenders, getting money off the state for heroin? i don't hear any outcry about people getting nicotine patches. to give up nicotine. but it's a health problem. i don't hear criticism of people
getting help with their alcoholism. it's a health problem. the policies we adopted so far haven't worked, and we need to radically change those. lisa knows this could one day kill her. she wants change, and believes heroin assisted treatments could save her life. ed thomas with that harrowing report. let's speak now to veronica cook. both of her parents were heroin addicts. her mum died of hepatitis c as a result of using dirty needles. and to stephen roberts, who is a former deputy assistant commissioner at the metropolitan police. good morning to you both, thank you for talking to us. veronica, you grew up around heroin, you never touched it yourself but tell us about your childhood ? touched it yourself but tell us about your childhood? it was difficult. my parents became addicted to heroin from a very young age and my whole life was surrounded
by their addiction. what impact does that have on you as a child growing 7 that have on you as a child growing up? emotionally and mentally it affected me a great deal, massively. in what way, can you give us an example? my emotional needs are quite often missed. a5 example? my emotional needs are quite often missed. as well as... the mental side of things, as well. i couldn't communicate with anybody outside, so i felt quite lonely, isolated. i couldn't speak to anybody at school, i couldn't speak to any of my other relatives either, so it was quite a lonely existence, growing up in that environment. your mum died from the effect of using a dirty needle. what you think of this idea, this notion that if there was a safe place, a safe environment where heroin users could go, they could use clean needles?” where heroin users could go, they could use clean needles? i think
it's brilliant idea. do you, why? because it would, i think, encourage users to seek help. many don't, because they feel so ashamed. i think it could potentially save lives. what do you think of the four police and crime commissioners who said they are in favour of decriminalising drugs?” said they are in favour of decriminalising drugs? i think decriminalising drugs? i think decriminalising of drugs is almost beside the point. what you think of four police and crime commissioners have suggested it is the way forward ? have suggested it is the way forward? i think they are naive. i do think it's a matter of criminal enforcement or treatment. if we're going to solve this problem, and we're never going to solve this problem completely, but if we're going to limit the number of people who make drugs a life choice, we have to have both enforcement and proper treatment. you said to limit the number of people who make drugs a life choice. do you think people choose to become heroin addict? people do ultimately have the choice of ramis. once they are addicted,
they need help to get away with it. no one wakes up in the morning and decide they are going to become an addict, to class a drugs, alcohol, whatever. nobody wakes up and decides to become an addict but people make a decision to take drugs. we tend to have this impression of chaotic drug users. the sort of people you presented on your package just now. the majority of drug addicts are not chaotic users, they are people who live perfectly ordinary lives, were probably invisible as drug users, other than to their dealers. we need to help all of those people, not just the chaotic users. and if we're going to do that, we need to suppress the drugs market as much as they can. we can reduce demand by treating people, and there isn't enough treatment available, but we'll is a need to be enforcing on the dealers and importers. that is failing, would you acknowledge, from the police's point of view? it's failing in the same way as it is failing in the same way as it is failing to stop every murder or every item of domestic violence or
burglary. that doesn't mean that you stop trying, means you can to suppress that side of the market as strongly as possible. we need to hear hit the supply of drugs as well as the demand for drugs. would it not be worth trying something else? i think as a treatment option, as long as it is a treatment option, it has to be worth trying. i think authorities might struggle to find people who are happy to have one of these clinics anywhere near where they live. i think there are all sorts of problems with it, ethical and political problems, should this state be supplying people with effectively, poison? but it has to be worth a try, if it is part of overall treatment to reduce the numberof overall treatment to reduce the number of people who are addicted to drugs and dying from their addictions. veronica, how do you think taxpayers would respond? providing money to set up a clean space for heroin users to go and inject heroin with a clean needle?”
am sure it would be mixed. i'm sure the opinions would be mixed, but coming from my environment and my background, i've never taken drugs, have no desire to ever take drugs. i live a perfectly normal life, but having lived in that environment and seen what it does to normal people, and i've also been around professional people who lived very normal lives and who have struggled with addiction for many years. i would say from my perspective, it would say from my perspective, it would be useful and helpful. thank you both, thank you very much for coming in. coming up, one infour coming up, one in four couples who discover they are pregnant suffer a miscarriage. drew povey, channel 4's educating greater manchester headmaster will be joining us.
time for the latest news, here's ben brown. the latest headlines now on bbc news. the wife of producer harvey weinstein says she is leaving him following allegations of sexual harassment from a string of actors. georgina chapman says weinstein's actions are "unforgivable". angelina jolie and gwyneth paltrow are the latest women to come forward. mr weinstein denies the allegations. earlier we spoke exclusively to actor and model zoe brock who claims she was sexually harassed after meeting harvey weinstein. he said that he wanted a massage, could i give him a massage? i said no. i can't honestly... i'm a little hazy at that point, i know that i was really taking stock of the situation and assessing escape routes and what was the best option for me. and i reallyjust couldn't tell which was safest,
i didn't feel safe anywhere. the chancellor, philip hammond, says taxpayers' money should not be spent on preparing for a "no deal" brexit. speaking ahead of next month's budget, mr hammond said the uk would be prepared for all scenarios, but would not spend money until it was responsible to do so. the spanish government has called an emergency meeting after the president of the catalan region, carles puigdemont, signed a declaration of independence. mr puigdemont immediately suspended it to allow talks to be held. the government in madrid has said it won't be blackmailed. it disputes the legitimacy of the referendum held 11 days ago, in which catalan voters backed a split from spain. the energy regulator 0fgem has announced they will cap gas and electricity bills for one million customers. its plans will help vulnerable customers who struggle with their energy bills, but is not as wide—reaching
as government's plans to cap prices for 12 million people. 0fgem's proposals will come into effect next february. that's a summary of the latest bbc news. here's some sport now with holly hamilton. coming up in sport next summer's world cup in russia is taking shape. argentina qualified last night thanks to a lionel messi hat—trick. they beat ecuador 3—1 to secure their place next year. european champions portugal will also be there. they beat switzerland 2—0 last night to secure their place. the swiss will have to go through to the play—offs where they may face northern ireland or the republic of ireland. and wild celebrations throughout the night in panama as they reached the world cup for the first time in their history. usa however are out. they'll be absent for the first time since 1986. kyle edmund's wait for a win over a top ten ranked player continues. he was beaten in the shanghai masters by world
number five marin cilic. plenty more to come in the next hour. written off as one of the worst schools in the country — harrop fold in salford — still has debts of over £1 million accrued more than ten years ago, but it has been transformed by its head teacher drew povey. there he is. how are you? i'm good, thank you. he is now featuring in the current series of channel 4's educating greater manchester. tell me what happened?” tell me what happened? i haven't got enough time. 0k. tell me what happened? i haven't got enough time. ok. you knowjosh you area enough time. ok. you knowjosh you are a leader in this school, but leaders are not always these people out there that are perfect that people think they are. it's a lot of pressure forjosh. we want him to be ready and resilient and mentally tough enough to be successful in
life and that doesn't mean wrapping him up in cotton wool or bubble wrap. it is helping him understand where he is and what he can do about it to make sure he can continue doing the things he loves and the things he sees there is a real purpose behind. there is something coming on the horizon. wasn't a head boy and a head girl at this school and we want somebody to represent us properly. somebody who could stand up properly. somebody who could stand up there and represent this school brilliantly. would that be something you would be up for? it is what i do with the title? it is. will you come in and ask me and talk to me if you need me? yeah. you promise me? look at me. do you promise? promise. you can come in here and have a water or a tea or coffee, you can do that whenever you want to. yeah. are you sure you're going to be all right? yeah. that's a good headteacher. headteacher drew povey — and his brothers ross and ben
all work at the school — and along with the other staff have worked relentlessly to turn it around. his book educating drew: the real story of harrop fold school went on sale this week — and its proceeds go into paying off the school's debts. who do you pay the money to? we pay it to the local authority, but it wasn't just created by it to the local authority, but it wasn'tjust created by the local authority, it was created from decisions that were made a number of yea rs decisions that were made a number of years ago when the school was in a difficult place. it went into special measures? yes. and it spent money on what? staffing and resourcing and it was a failed amalgamation. they brought two schools together and that didn't work particularly well. i don't think anybody wanted it to happen and it got the terrible label being known as the worst school in the country which nobody wants and it was emergency measures. a lot of money was spent to get the school out of that difficult place it was in. and eventually we did come out of special measures in record time,
in five terms back then which was amazing. but then that debt did come back to sit on the doorstep of the school. and then... and you have paid some of it off. you have paid over £1 million? we have paid almost half the debt off because it was sitting at £3 million which was unbelievable, but that wasn't in itself the biggest issue because we had a falling school roll. we went from 1200 kids to 600, we were overspending. .. that means you are spending money on high rent? we have a rent that we have to pay each year. the fewer pupils you have, the less money you get from the department for education?m less money you get from the department for education? it was a perfect financial storm in terms what we had to deal with, but we did manage to deal with it. and you are still manage to go deal with it. when you took over as head, how bad was the school in terms of exclusions, gcse rates and so on?” didn't arrive as head, arrived as a
senior member of staff and it was in a really bad place and the kids were getting a raw deal and the local community and the staff, were trying their best to turn this around, but when you don't have strong leadership or a strong vision and some hope within any organisation, it becomes difficult to manage and we had to pull it round. there were exclusions, hundreds in my first year. when i first arrived it was 486 exclusions a year. wow. it was just incredibly high. we have managed to get that done to zero and we have not excluded a young person, fixed term for a number of days or permanently. how have you done that then? give me specific examples? we have an overall belief that education is your chance and your one chance to kind of make it in life. so, we have got to take that extremely seriously and we employed a very different mindset towards
pastoral care. we didn't have teachers who could deal with pastoral care after school or before school. we have a team there. we have a behaviour system. that is run. with that mindset of we are not just going to put kids in an isolation room when they have done something wrong, we are going to be on the corridors. school uniform and not running down the corridors? but if it is starting toing wrong and we think things are starting to rise thenit think things are starting to rise then it is great to have somebody who is trained in the area of behaviour management with that therapeutic mindset that's going to be no, we want to get the kids back in the lesson, notjust take them out for respite. what we were seeing was you could send a kid home for a day, two, three, orfour orfive and bring them back in, is that going to change? nothing has changed. it was business as usual. it is working with the young person to say, why are you doing this? that's an
important question. why... is there a lwa ys important question. why... is there always a reason why someone is playing up? i believe so. you might not get that to ultimate why initially and people talk about the five times why principle, keep asking why? i have got a five—year—old at home who keeps going that. if you keep asking why. is there a direct link between good behaviour in a school and be exam results ? behaviour in a school and be exam results? yes, i believe so. if you get that discipline and that work ethic in with young people, that's crucial and i think they are going to be the corner stones of any successful organisation, notjust to be the corner stones of any successful organisation, not just in a school, when they come out of school and you talk about sport and having a level of discipline within any team or organisation will be crucial to reach the goals. the same in business. so i think, yeah, helping young people take responsibility and have discipline will help them towards working towards those life goals as well as some other crucial things we believe in as well. why did you want to
become a teacher? i wasn't, the best behaved student when i was at school. is true you were nearly excluded at primary school? school. is true you were nearly excluded at primary schoonm school. is true you were nearly excluded at primary school? it is true. you weren't, but you nearly was? i had an extremely supportive pa rents was? i had an extremely supportive parents and a cycle that did want to give me more chances. i did spend different times of day with a different times of day with a different member of staff. they were like well, we will have you for an hour and then you can go somewhere else so they can have a breather. no, ididn't else so they can have a breather. no, i didn't find it particularly easy school, but i saw the power of somebody sitting and looking at you and saying, "you can achieve something. and you are talented and i believe in you and you can go on to do something great in the world." because somebody had that conversation with me and i was getting it at home from a great family that for me, that was the thing that spurred me on. so when i was looking at careers, i thought well, i think could do that and i think i'd like to do that and i see that, even still today as a huge privilege that i can go and have
conversations with students, with staff, with local stakeholders, with pa rents to staff, with local stakeholders, with parents to say to them, you know, we can do something brilliant with this young person if we all pull together and we all believe in them. you give me an example, you don't have to name names obviously, of a pupil that you feel you have helped turn their either their life around or their either their life around or their attitude around or something like that? yeah, i'm not great on facebook and i won't name the young man, but since we have been doing this series a few people have got in touch and said they used to work at that school in warrington because i worked at a fantastic school in warrington before i went to harrop fold. he got in touch and said, "if it wasn't for you, i wouldn't be where i am today." he's successful. what had you said to him? i'm surprised i got a positive phone call because he spent a lot of time in my office and there were a few
challenging conversations and a few choice words, but all the time when i'm going to be dealing with a young person and saying this isn't good enough, that's not acceptable, you've crossed the line which you see in the educating series, but i'm going to be the person that says to them at the end, "even though i have had to say this to you, i still believe in you and i think that something brilliant can happen as a result of what you've learnt today. just saying that to me, it makes me wa nt to just saying that to me, it makes me want to cry because it's so powerful from a teacher. it's a powerful thing and if somebody has belief. we have the issue in the modern world where if something fails, we're all upset about that and i understand why people should be disappointed, but i think we learn best from failures and if a young person has done something wrong there is nothing better for them than done something wrong there is nothing betterfor them than pulling them in and exploring what happened and why and somebody saying, "i believe in you. i think we can do something great as a result." and
using it as a springboard. i know our staff believe that thing in our school and that's how we've been able to have no exclusions for ten yea rs. able to have no exclusions for ten years. briefly, you had a vote in the school about whether you should ta ke the school about whether you should take part in the channel 4 series. it's been the right decision? yes. would you say? oh, it's been the right decision? yes. would you say? ch, 100%. what it's been the right decision? yes. would you say? oh, 10096. what is fantastic from a viewer's point of view, from a parent's point of view, you see the kids through a year. it is not just a you see the kids through a year. it is notjust a snapshot, is it? yeah. it is. you can see the development? it is. you can see the development? it is. you can see the development? it is and it's real life and you're getting a good look into how we do things at the school because of the debt even though it has been a negative. there must be a rich person out there who will pay your debt off? there must be some famous warrington. .. chris evans is from warrington. .. chris evans is from warrington and he has a bit of money! we have seen, we had to do things differently and the tv show does show that even the way we did, it came to make the decision to do it came to make the decision to do it through the vote, but the one
thing it has done is show the kids in salford how proud they should be of what they've achieved and what the staff have achieved at the school and it boosted aspiration and that's one thing i'm really passionate about. good luck. this is the book. the proceeds go to harrop fold. i hope it works. we will do that and a series of leadership talks as well which all the money goes to the school. so we will get there, i believe we will. 0k. thank you. thank you very much. i wish you all the best. thank you. next, we're talking about a story that far too many families go through — miscarriage. one in four couples who find out they're pregnant go on to lose the baby. but now researchers are hopeful that they could have found a treatment that would mean tens of thousands of miscarriages could be avoided every year. they're focusing on men and how their health could affect the pregnancy. catherine burns has this report. to us it's not a set of stats. this was potentially our baby. i felt so upset that the potential, this baby could have had, what it could have been and what it
could have achieved. most of the emotional support has been focused on the woman. but i think we've often forgotten some of the trauma that the men feel. emotional support, i'd go as far as saying its next to nothing. i don't think there's enough research into anything to do with males and miscarriage, full stop. we're actually incredibly optimistic about this research. just excited now to see whether for some of these people, we can avoid them having to face a miscarriage ever again. the numbers on miscarriage are sobering. one in four couples who find out they're pregnant go on to lose the baby and some go through this again and again. for one in 100, they'll have three or more miscarriages in a row. these men are all dads. between them, they have seven children. but they've also experienced
19 miscarriages. my name's gareth, me and my partner joanne have had three miscarriages. we've now got a two—year, three—month—old little girl called jessica. my name's simon, myself and my wife has had three miscarriages. we've currently got two children, two boys. my name is al, i've got three children and i've had six miscarriages. my name is james, my wife and myself have had seven miscarriages in total, and we've got a nine—month—old son. you said something interesting to me on the phone about, you only once cried in front of your wife? yeah. i know it's really intimate, but do you mind telling us about that? we'd been for our 12 week scan, and they found that the baby had no heartbeat. being ourfirst time, she had the pessaries, the medically managed... which means going home? going home and delivering the baby.
within four or five hours, she was in absolute agony on the bed, crying out in pain and eventually, she delivered the baby and she passed it to me and i looked at it, and that was the first time it really hit home that this was a baby, and this was... and i felt so upset that the potential this baby could have had, what it could have been and what it could have achieved. and, yeah, ijust broke down just because it was, to see it in front of you, i, it's just absolutely killed me what might have been. my first experience, anything pre—12 weeks is almost written off as a percentage chance it was never going to succeed anyway. they say that all the time. for us, it's not a set of stats. this was potentially our baby. that was going to be born, that's never going to be there. which is what you can't get back.
i imagine most people watching this will find that really tough and shocking, but i also think you lot have probably had a very similar experiences. your first miscarriage was on your wedding day, wasn't it? yeah, we had the afternoon, we had photos, we had a bit of a dance as well and then that night, almost instantly, gemma undid her wedding dress and she was just violently sick. and then about 3am that morning, she started to bleed, started to have all the pain. and then that was, that was our wedding. so it wasn't, so, looking back, it kind of like, when people say your wedding, one of the best days of your life, like, well, wasn't really one of the best days of our lives. what i found the hardest thing was trying to explain to other people how it made me feel, and i couldn't do that half the time, not even to my family.
i'd make an excuse to go to the shopsjust so i could have ten minutes where i could compose myself, even crying, to be fair, sometimes, to set out there on my own, just trying to work your way through it so you can come back into the house and try and be that supportive figure for your partner who is obviously in bits with what's gone on. to be fair, she was probably the best person to support me through this, but i think part of it is a male thing. you just have to try and be strong, that's how i felt, personally. i had to give this whole, it's going to be ok, we're going to get through this, it's all going to be ok. and i felt if i broke down it would be almost admitting that it's not ok. the last one, we had a big conversation, we both were desperate for children but couldn't put ourselves through it. and i was at a point where i could quite easily have said no, to be honest. i hated it, absolutely hated the whole pregnancy thing, because i was just waiting for that day. it's amazing, i absolutely love being a dad, my kids are amazing, but that's the hardest, most stressful thing i've ever gone through, that waiting, that nine months is absolutely terrible.
i've got a lot of respect for you guys for what you're doing, i don't think i could have gone through it again. i was at the end. how have you all found medical professionals in terms of the support you have got? in terms of emotional support, its not great. i'd go as far as saying it's next to nothing. emotional support from medical professionals, unless you're going to pay for it, it's next to nothing. there's no follow—up appointment, even if it was just one appointment or a sender, for the gps to do, just say, how's it going? i think the emotional trauma of repeatedly losing your pregnancy, whether it be early or late in the pregnancy, is usually underestimated. but i think most of the emotional support has been focused on the woman.
which, as a woman who started the miscarriage service, many, many years ago, is a good thing, but i think we've often forgotten some of the trauma that the men feel. most male partners feel that their responsibility, or their role, is to be the tough one that provides the support. and sometimes after the crisis is over, i think they're often left without having had any help themselves. and that takes resources, offering counselling, bereavement counselling, often in this cash strapped nhs that we are working in at the moment, is difficult. and that's the one thing that may be considered, for example, at the clinic that i am running, as nonessential. and i have to be practical about that because if it's question of, 0k, we either have bereavement counselling for one or two people or you can have the funding to run a particular blood test, that's quite a difficult decision as to what's going to be most useful. so what would you prioritise?
i think i'd have the prioritise the investigative tests that i'm doing and try and encourage the couple to find the support and counselling from other sources, from family, from friends. for many couples, one of the hardest things is the lack of answers about why this happens. miscarriages are often caused by problems with chromosomes which means the baby can't develop properly. but for some, there's never an answer. we still to this day don't know why this miscarriage took place. and that's the biggest thing. everyone's just told us it'sjust bad luck. we've had lots of tests, we had lots of research into... have you? yeah, i've had one test. and jen has been through a lot of tests. but still don't explain why we've had six miscarriages. at least there was something wrong, medically, then you can medically treat it. i don't think there's enough research into
anything to do with males and miscarriages, full stop. there is some happening on this, though. pregnancy research charity tommy's is looking for couples to take part. they're asking how the man's health can affect miscarriages. our researchers are trying to explain unexplained miscarriage. so at the moment, around half of miscarriages have no explanation. and we think a lot of them may be due to dad. and more specifically, dad's sperm. until now, everybody has thought, after the man has got the lady pregnant, that's the end of his role, and then if she loses the child, that's something that's wrong with her. our research is starting to really turn that on the head. now we think up to half the time where we can't find an answer about miscarriage, it may actually be down to the sperm dna. what we're looking at in the tommy's centre is notjust how to diagnose whether that's the cause of miscarriage, but also how
to treat it, so we've developed a dietary supplement, that we hope to be able to give to those men to correct that problem in how they make sperm. if we get the trial data to support this supplement working, then obviously, we'd aim to have it out there on the market within a very few years to treat these problems in this population. so how optimistic are you? we're actually incredibly optimistic about this research. just excited now to push the research through to the next stage, get the trial done, and see whether for some of these people, we can avoid them having to face a miscarriage ever again. if you manage to do this, what kind of difference is it going to make to the miscarriage rate? we estimate that tens of thousands of miscarriages every year in the uk may be down to a male factor. so we would hope if we can correct that, that perhaps 10,000 babies or more a year would be born that
otherwise the couple would have experienced miscarriage. but still, this group doesn't feel optimistic yet. it sounds amazing, really does. it's whether it can actually happen. you listen to the news and you hear it all the time, they've found a cure for this, they've found a cure for that. until they actually find that cure, then you can start really believing. i'd love to have another child, i really would. i said earlier that i'd struggle to go through it, but i think i'd go through the process and actually having, it doesn't sound right, but the end product and a child gives me that hope. i think for all of us round the table, that, if we all have pregnancies in the future, right up until the baby turns up, we're always going to worry. and when they do turn up, it all goes out the window and changes. hearing that first cry. yes. that was the best noise ever. really was. relief.
yeah, it really is, massive relief. catherine burns with that report. thank you for your company today, we're back tomorrow at nine. have a good day. hello, good morning. some very wet conditions at the moment across parts of north—west england and north wales. this cold front, which isn't going to move very far through the course of today, brings some higher rainfall totals in this part of the world. through the cumbrian fails, the lake district and the southern penance, snowdonia, as much as 80—100 millimetres of rain today, which could lead to some localised flooding problems. away from that,
the rain will clear from scotland and northern ireland. some sunny spells as afternoon. some showers and perhaps bunbury in western scotland, rain moving into the midlands and the south—west, but the southee should remain largely dry and a few bright spells. tonight, this whole area of rain will clear away to the south—east and then with largely clear skies taking us into thursday morning, rather chilly start. some sunshine, a bit more cloud developing into the afternoon. maximum temperature is getting to 14-18. maximum temperature is getting to 14—18. bye—bye. this is bbc news, and these are the top stories developing at 11.
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