tv The Brexit Panel BBC News April 1, 2018 4:30pm-5:00pm BST
this is bbc news — our latest headlines. labour's newest nec member, comedian eddie izzard, says the party must stamp out anti—semitism and rebuild relations with thejewish community. it comes as labour distances itself from some pro—jeremy corbyn facebook groups featuring anti—semitic and abusive comments. anthonyjoshua moves a step closer to becoming the undisputed heavyweight champion of the world after beating new zealand's joseph parker. pope francis has called for an end to what he says is "carnage" in syria and for humanitarian aid to be allowed to reach the vulnerable. the royal air force is 100 years old today. events have been held across the country to mark the time when the raf became the world's first independent air force. now on bbc news, withjust 12 months to go, what do voters make of the progress towards brexit? we've been to coventry, where just over 55% of people voted leave,
to meet a group of leavers and remainers, to find out. they were selected for the bbc by the research company britain thinks, and our political editor laura kuenssberg was listening in for this special brexit panel. for all the political shenanigans, brexit was a decision taken by the public. what you are about to see is not scientific but a slice of opinion, a flavour of the conversations that you, we are all having around the country about brexit with one year to go. i will ask you, thinking about brexit, don't think about this too hard, butjust think of the first three words that come to your mind. when you think about brexit.
and write them down for me. you've got one? is everybody done? great. what did you put down? i put lies. because going towards brexit on both sides, we were told different things. how do we know what is going to happen? so, lies. and who do you trust to tell you the truth? i think you just get on with it. i don't trust any of the politicians really. you watch pictures of the news but either way, you have to get on with it. i think they were really clever because they chose the two biggest issues that bother us, the nhs and immigration, and pummelled us all with that and didn't give us enough information to stay in and they attacked the weaknesses, if you know what i mean.
people's emotions. they pushed buttons. when you say they, who is that? i voted to leave but they still lied to us. they tampered with the figures and they said on the bus, we pay £350 million a week into europe, which is true, but what they didn't tell you is that we get over £100 million back a week. there is still a deficit of 180 million. and then they said, let's invest in the nhs which led to infer that they would invest that money into the nhs but it didn't actually say that, it inferred it and that's what you got in your mind to say, i'm leaving. what did you put on your sheet? my first one was the infrastructure of the whole country including the nhs as a primary thing.
how does all this relate to brexit? with brexit, we've got open borders. as i say, with those people coming in, they've got to go somewhere, they've got to live somewhere and there has to be jobs for people. indira, what did you put? nhs is my biggest one because my daughter is a doctor and every time, she said, i'm having to do this, i'm on call all the time and really stressed out and on top of that, she's had to do presentations and projects and there are so many cuts. how does this relate to brexit? brexit, i think like you said earlier, about national health, it's just not happening. we do need more staff and they are undercut,
not paid enough so it affects all the nhs. i do worry about that. did anybody else put the nhs? belinda, what did you put? i put lack of knowledge. just the lack of information that is given to us about the consequences of leaving brexit and the amount of knowledge that's just given to us in dribs and drabs so we are only told what people want us to know. what did you put, lauren? closed borders. again, i can see both sides working for the nhs because i work with some fantastic nurses from eu countries, fantastic nurses and doctors and without them, being able to move freely, we wouldn't have those staff but on the flipside, we are treating so many non—british patients that is putting a strain on us and enabling us to not give the full care that we want.
it's very difficult to say. i personally don't know what is best. i'm not saying close the borders but immigration in moderation. what did you put? i put immigration. going back to my parents, they came over as immigrants and they went straight into jobs. they went straight into and it was jobs. my mum is a retired nurse. they went into the jobs that other people didn't want to fill that they were classed as immigrants but this version of immigration, people are coming from different countries for different reason but it seems like, coming in and looking after them and it seems to have a ripple effect and a strain on the nhs, the schools, housing, it's just everything. they know they can come in, they will get a house,
they can get a job, they might not need to have a job but they will get paid something from our government that will keep them here and everyone knows it's an easy option. it's changed a bit now, i think so. i think it has. so it's been two years almost since the referendum. what's happened in that time? oh, dear. politicians seem to have dragged their feet immensely. somebody is making an awful lot of money out of it. who? the people in the know. it's just taking too long to happen, isn't it? one of my first answers was costly. because they don't talk about thousands or millions.
it's billions of pounds that we are still going to be paying into the eu when we have left. and they've done a deal to navigate to pay this or pay that. and you think, where does it all come from? where does it go to? where is this eu market? where are they? where does all this money go to? and what specifically have you noticed has struck you in that time in terms of what's happened? just the argument on both sides. no—one seems to know what's going to happen. it's a lot of to—ing and fro—ing. we are threatening the eu with this game, it's that game. it's like playing a game of cards, like poker. if we are leaving, we just have to leave. is there are a really
specific thing you noticed? the prime minister changed. he gave us a referendum and as soon as he didn't get the decision he wanted, he was gone. he should never have allowed it. as the prime minister, you should be impartial, i believe. you shouldn't be pro—europe or whatever it is. now she is having to deal with it as well. what's gone wrong? what's gone right? we are arguing with 27 other countries, i think it is, who don't want us to leave. how on earth are we going to get anything out of it that's advantageous to britain? i think they are talking about it,
it's nearly two years since we have left. i don't know why we could have left sooner than we had done. they are supposed, we are supposed to be importing more from them than they are from us. does anybody feel optimistic? no. i just thought it was a straight out. you know, goodbye. so there are the 27 other countries but also you said that you thought maybe the government don't actually want us to leave? what makes you think that? david cameron, he is the one that arranged the referendum and then he ran off.
and in replace of him was theresa may wanting to stay also and how can you have someone that was so for europe leading us out of europe? she is not... like i said at the beginning, you need an impartial prime minister, someone that is in it for the people, not themselves. some of it doesn't sit right with me. what would need to change for the negotiations to go well? what would make you feel they were going well? things being done. the european trade agreement. get things actually ticked off, say that is sorted, that is sorted, a list of things to get done, go down the list. what would make you feel it was going well? to see facts and figures and understand a bit more about the future in terms of immigration, like we talked about the points system. what is the system going for?
is anybody know, has anybody heard anything about what they are going to do about that going forward? is itjust close the borders or a points system? are jobs going to be affected? most of us have got children and our main concern is their futures and by the time my children grow up, we will be in full, a full country on our own. what position will we be in? will there bejobs available for them? if you think about the brexit process, who will be the winners and who will be the losers? nobody knows. good question. my number one was uncertainty, when you asked us to write down. that was my top answer. i don't think anybody knows, not the prime minister. does anybody have a sense of who might do well out of this at the end? i don't.
we don't have the information. i do not know because i don't they gave into this thing of brexit and it is old news and nobody knows. what information would you like that you are not getting? i want a plan saying what we have achieved. simple. no fancy words about this policy and that policy. just what they have achieved with northern ireland, with the pound, with the borders, simple things like that. maybe just some simple facts. like the facts that they were giving us when they were trying to make us make a decision and vote leave or stay. it would be nice to have updates. things that simple families can understand where it will benefit them and where we are so we have... so that we are not so uncertain about what will happen. i would like to know why we could notjust
honour our agreements and leave. whether you voted for it or not, we voted 52—48, whatever, and i think we should just leave. if we have to pay billions to this, ok, but if not, finish it. ideally that would have been a process that is... that is the way i thought it was going to go. i have obviously been totally incorrect. two years later, i would like to know what benefit we would have had from remaining. let us know what has changed behind the scenes in those two years to let us know what the vote actually did. did it create a mess somewhere? is everyone still 0k? nobody knows. maybe i'll ask the other way around. imagine we are at the end of the process. what would be the worst
outcome for you? what would make you think that this was a disaster? the ireland borders. if that takes a step back so it is basically borders all the way along again, that is a massive step backward. and that would worry you? not with myself so much, but it feels like what's the point? it can't be worth it. that cannot have been what anybody was looking for when they wanted to leave europe if nothing changed. at the moment we are told, who we can deal with? if nothing changed on that... i would be very worried because, you know, when we come out of the eu we can deal with whoever we want to. at the moment, there was something on the tv this week
about the fisheries where the fishermen can't fish where they want to fish because we are in the eu. that has always been the way. so, indira, you said you were disappointed with the whole thing and wished that we would just stop this. i did vote to remain. and i have been disappointed. what is your worst nightmare from this? if we got to the end of the process, what would you most dread, the thing that would make you feel worst about it? i'm just not happy about it at all and the future of kids worries me. and people like my mother, who needs 24—hour care. although we do have help from social services and carers but there are not enough and we, as a family, care for her. my husband and my children and i, i don't think
there is enough, you know? not enough knowledge either. we don't know much about it. that is how i feel. and, john, you voted to leave. at the end of the process, what would make you feel disappointed in the outcome? if the government makes cuts with the military and with public services and nurses, policemen, firemen... if they are still on the poor side of things that would be disappointing. if money is not invested into the nhs that would be a disappointment. are you worried? no, i wasjust thinking. from your point of view what would be a bad outcome? similar to whatjohn said. that we get to where we are and, going back to the nhs, it is for everybody. i think it is just having an effect on everybody. education and housing as well. we return to the same thing again but it will affect everybody. thinking about the government,
and in particular theresa may, how good a job is she doing an brexit? she doesn't seem to be going well from the press that she is getting. they were not prepared to leave, there is no plan. she was prepared to do this and she was prepared to do that. she gets into a meeting and suddenly changes. she never gives a straight answer. do you think that labour would do any better? no. i don't think they could do any worse either, saying that. last thing i want to ask you to do is to place in politics yourself. what i would like you to do is imagine that you are going to give some advice to these people,
go round in a circle again, back to the voting stage and we hear lots of information about what will happen and where things can be changed and what we can do and actually it doesn't change. i don't know whether that's because there is a lack of support and it can't be changed or weather actually... yeah. last thing i'm going to do is get the chance to play some politics yourselves. imagine you're going to give some advice to these people, to mrs may and mr corbyn. give them all one piece of advice, specifically about brexit so you might be longing to give them more general advice about their footwear or... but yes, give them more general advice about theirfootwear or... but yes, if give them more general advice about their footwear or... but yes, if you canjust sort their footwear or... but yes, if you can just sort of thing a little bit
about advising them on how you would like to see them conduct themselves about brexit. let's start with corbyn. let's give him some advice, what would be the best advice for jeremy corbyn? get his party in order so they are all singing from the same hymn sheet. people won't, but get them all organised. do it in the right way. even within himself he is not the best, um, not the best sort of leader, really, for the party. he's trying to come up with a new way of doing things which i don't feel that he is leader material. i wouldn't see him at an eu conference and think i have faith in him. why is he not leadership material? i don't know. hejust does not seem that sort of... that sort of authoritative.
he doesn't seem to be focused and dedicated to what doing. he doesn't seem to have a presence when he walks into a room. he seems to blend in and get on with it but not so much someone to listen to. what advice did you give? he just seems to score points. he will say things and you know that he cannot come up with it himself. he would say all these things about what he would do were he in power but where is it going to come from? renationalise everything. no money for it. i think you need to be decisive. what will he do and what are his future prospects? you feel he is not decisive? certainly. his party is not. ijust wrote that he needs to support the system and look more and work with the decisions that are made, regain teamwork
because alone, you know, we need to be a team to move forward, really. and, so, what advice did you put for theresa may? ijust told her to be strong in her views and values and look after the british people, keep this country alive. do not back down and start telling us the truth. fight for the nhs. anyone else? i wrote down to toughen up and stand up for the people of the uk and the country. stand up to brussels and stop pandering to them. stand up for the british people. do you feel she is pandering? when you see her and she is with angela merkel and the others and angela, you can see she is strong and does not take any crap. and then you see theresa may and she is sort of looking around...
as if to say that i am going to say this will say that, she is quite weak. what did you put? i asked her to be more open about what is happening. don't be so soft with the other countries and stop agreeing to pay deals. we should not pay anything once we are out. what was your advice for theresa may? i told her that we voted leave so let's leave. don't beat around the bush. be strong and proud in what we decided and who we are. have some self belief in the uk and what lies ahead. we won't crumble, this is the uk. luck was that grumble? thank you. that may be a good note to leave it on. does anyone else want to ask anything? thank you very much. brilliant. this group was more or less evenly split between leave voters and remain voters, so no surprise there was a lot of discussion,
some division among the debate tonight and yet one thing perhaps that they mainly had in common, which will please number 10's ears, that rather than refighting the battles over brexit, they want politicians to get on with it. hello, thanks forjoining me, i wanted to bring you up to date with how the weather will affect the british isles in the next couple of days, and a 2k hours that will be quite dramatic, a lot of rain around of late, our weather watcher pictures capture that, and there's more to come as this cloud comes in from the south—western quarter. in the midst of all of that, there is rain and snow to come as well. we're pushing all this moisture from the south—west up into a belt of cold atmosphere, that is why, for a time across southern parts, as we get into the wee small hours