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the british government has suffered three defeats in parliament over brexit. mps found the government in contempt of parliament for refusing to publish the full legal advice on the draft agreement. mps then voted to give themselves a greater say on the next move if they reject mrs may's deal next tuesday two senior republican senators in the us have said they're more certain than ever that the saudi crown prince, mohammed bin salman, was guilty of ordering the murder of jamal khashoggi. the journalist was killed at the saudi arabian embassy in istanbul, in october. they were speaking after a briefing by the cia. share prices in the united states have fallen sharply, because of fears of an economic slowdown, and doubts about talks between washington and beijing intended to defuse trade tensions. the dowjones index closed down three percent lower you are up to date with the
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headline. now it is time for tuesday in parliament. hello, and welcome to the programme, where there are commons defeats for theresa may on the day she begins the battle for her brexit deal. i promise you today, this is the very best deal for the british people. i ask you to back it in the best interests of our constituents and our country. but labour says it's a botched deal that even her own former brexit secretaries can't support. how can she expect anyone else in this house or in this country to have faith in a deal that has been rejected by two of the people that were involved in negotiation of it. also on this programme: claims that children in england with special needs are being let down. and a peer wonders what happens to trains thatjust seem to vanish from timetables.
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they arrive at the station for a train, look at the board and discover it is no more. it never existed. it is not there. but first, it has been a tumultuous day at westminster, with the government suffering three serious defeats, even before theresa may got up to open the five—day debate on her eu exit deal. her speech was delayed by more than four hours, as mps debated and then agreed a labour move accusing the government of being in contempt orfrustrating parliament, by failing to publish its legal opinion on the deal in full. we'll have more on that later in the programme. and then just moments before mrs may was due to speak, she suffered a further defeat, as a cross—party group of mps, spearheaded by the conservative and former attorney general dominic grieve succeeded in a bid to give the commons the right to say what must happen next if her brexit deal is, as many expect, voted down next tuesday. we have an unsatisfactory procedure
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to resolve differences of opinion in this house, if, and obviously it is and if, we come to the point where the government does not succeed on its motion, and the opportunity exists this afternoon to cure that anomaly. it is contrary to all sensible practice, and i have to say, slightly disrespectful of the role of this house, that we should end up with a situation in which we have unamendable motions for consideration at a time when the parliament ought to be fully focused on trying to find means of resolving outstanding issues. and at the end of that debate, mps voted in favour of a move to give the house of commons a say on the way forward on brexit if theresa may's eu deal is rejected next week. the ayes to the right, 321, the noes to the left, 299. so the ayes have it,
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the ayes have it. unlock. the defeate came moments before the prime minister was due to open her speech opening five days of debate. to deliver on that vote we need to deliver a brexit that respects the decision of the british people. a brexit that takes back control of oui’ brexit that takes back control of our borders, laws and money and a brexit that sets ourselves on course for a better future outside the eu asa for a better future outside the eu as a globally trading nation in charge of our own destiny and seizing the opportunity to trade with some of the fastest—growing and most dynamic economies across the world. is sheer so convinced that
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her deal and political agreement are what the british people voted for then she should have confidence to go back and ask them to verify if it is something they support. some of my colleagues in this house seem to think that if they reject this deal oi'i think that if they reject this deal on tuesday, the other eu 27 leaders will come back and give ours something better. why should they?” can reassure the prime minister that her withdrawal agreement has considerable support in northern ireland, particular amongst farmers, businesses and fishermen. moving on to the future relationship with the eu, theresa may promised to consult mps more widely on the part of the negotiations. the government will
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consult more widely and engage more intensively with parliament as we finalise the mandate for the next phase of the negotiations. ministers will appear before select committees between now and march in each releva nt area between now and march in each relevant area of the political declaration from fisheries to foreign policy. so members across the house will be able to contribute their expertise to the detailed positions we take forward with the eu. if we come together and do our duty to our constituents, then we will pass the test that history has set for us today. it is not easy when the passions run so deep. but looking around this chamber, i know that we can reach this moment. so i promise you today that this is the very best dealfor promise you today that this is the very best deal for the british people. i ask you to back it in the best interest of our constituents and our country. and with my whole heart i commend this motion to the house. the leader of the opposition. jeremy called and said it was a
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botched deal. the prime minister has seen these negotiations only at an exercise in internal management of the conservative party. that did not walk out —— work out very well at all. when the two previous brexit secretaries, who theoretically, at least, led negotiations, say they cannot support the deal, how can she expect anyone else in this house or in this country to have faith in a deal that has been rejected by two of the people that were involved in the negotiation of it? this is a bad deal, i agree. the negotiation of it? this is a bad deal, iagree. is he not the negotiation of it? this is a bad deal, i agree. is he not agree that out deal, i agree. is he not agree that our country would be better off remaining in the eu than exiting on the basis of this deal? mr speaker, the basis of this deal? mr speaker, the referendum took place. we fought the referendum took place. we fought the election respecting the result of the referendum. we are opposed to this deal. we think there is the possibility of getting an agreement
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which would be dead for this country and give us the control that is not given by this government's proposals to us. throughout the entire negotiating period, scotland has been treated with contempt. we voted overwhelmingly to remain yet the will of the scottish people means nothing. absolutely nothing. to this by minister. instead of engaging meaningfully with scotland during this critical time, the prime minister chose last—minute photocalls and stage—managed events. all smoke and mirrors to dress up the fact that her government could not care less about scotland and that we can see that denied. entering into this arrangement means we enter a twilight period where the eu is given unprecedented powers over the uk, certainly in the transition period, and a lot of leveraging the negotiations of the future of trade relationships. we have to rely on the goodwill of others to let us
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ever leave these arrangements. so under these terms and my view, the uk's under these terms and my view, the uk's future as a strong and independent global trading nation standing together it is then real and imminent jeopardy. the brutal truth is that the country is divided and it will be bitterly divided if we leave under the terms that the government has negotiated. we will be entering into a set of conditions in which the economy will deteriorate relative to what it would have been in the eu. a younger generation are coming through who will bear the brunt of the cost. most of whom voted to remain in the eu. an estimated 80% of 18 —year—olds wished to remain. there will be great bitterness and resentment about what the older generation has imposed. this will not go away. and we will hear from some of the backbench mps later in the programme. lets them back to the
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beginning of the day with the government was that each had twice. the government was immediately ordered to publish the advice of the attorney general. six opposition members united to back the debate.” urge the government now, even at this 11th hour, to think again. to stop, to pull back from the brink of being found in contempt of parliament. this motion, mr speaker, isa parliament. this motion, mr speaker, is a last resort. the issue before us is a last resort. the issue before us is simple. this house passed a binding order. the government is wilfully refining —— refusing to comply with the order. that is co nte m pt of comply with the order. that is contempt of parliament. there is no real dispute as to the meaning and legal effect of the withdrawal
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agreement. the attorney general could not have been clearer about the legal position yesterday. in fa ct, the legal position yesterday. in fact, mr speaker, no honourable member could say in all honesty that the attorney general has done anything other than treat this house with the greatest of respect. they are placing themselves of parliament. they are placing themselves in contempt of parliament. and as for the legal position document published yesterday that was going to fix it all, that could have hardly been more patronising . the gu pitt, whose mps used to support the government said the statement did not comply with the commons motion. this approach, this secret approach only confirms in people ‘s minds that there is something to hide. and, if anything,
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the government is scoring an own goal by refusing to publish this. members will know that parliament was meant bible makes it very clear that the government's actions are in contempt. their refusal to release the advice is an act of which impedes the house in the performance of its functions. what we should have expected was more leadership from both front benches in order to be able to reach a proper and thoughtful solution on how to strike the right balance, just as we have, for example, on security matters already. this is a unique position we find ourselves in but it was not beyond the wit of the political leaders in our country to reach a solution and avoid this point. mps first voted on the government ‘s own amendment to refer the issue to be committee of privileges. a
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government defeat by four votes. then came the vote on the opposition mosman —— motion to find ministers in contempt. yes, 311, nose, 293. this house has now spoken and it is of huge institutional and political significance. it is unprecedented for this house to find government ministers in contempt. the motion makes clear that the final legal advice must now be published in full. i hope the government will now confirm and comply with that order. if the government fails to respond, what steps can i and others take to ensure that the motion is complied with before the vote that we have next tuesday? before responding to the gentleman, i will hear on the point of water from the leader of
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the house. thank you. we have tested the house. thank you. we have tested the opinion of the house twice on this very serious subject. we have listened carefully and in light of the expressed will of the house we will publish the final and full advice provided by the attorney general to cabinet. but recognising the berries serious constitutional issues that this raises, i have referred the matter to the privileges committee to consider the implications of the humble address. the speaker said it was unimaginable but the legal advice would not be published before next tuesday's vote. and andrea said that the government would respond on wednesday. another governor of the bank of england has warned that shopping could rise by up to 10% if he uk leads the eu without a deal. he told mps on the treasury committee that increased tariff prices, import cost and a sharp fall
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in the value of the pound would send food prices rising quite weakly. some people say food will rise 10%. under some of the scenarios. exactly, so if you use page 36, which gives that disaggregation, again, talking like an economist, switch to human being. the tariff effect, about 5%. the exchange—rate effect for each 5% depreciation, about 1.3%, the food we would go into, whatever, the tesco's and buy off—the—shelf, would add for each 5% depreciation about 1.5%. so in the most extreme scenario, so to give an outer bounds, on average, your shopping bill goes up 10%, because we have a 25% depreciation with that. if you go to a more orderly scenario, with a transition, bennett something around the 6% range. now, for individual food products, obviously it is going to vary.
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but what people will do is what everyone does, that if the price of something goes up more than the price of something else, they switch products. and i am not sure in my constituency if the price of meat goes up, we necessarily all go figure. we wouldn't all go vegan, but we might buy a little more local lamb as opposed to imported veal. the governor also defended recent analysis of brexit scenarios which suggested leaving with no deal could be worse for the economy than the 2008 financial crisis. we had a core team of 20 senior economists who had been working on this for a couple of years, and then drawing in other professionals from across the bank, almost 150 professionals from across the bank. and two senior committees, the mpc and the ftc, have reviewed the work. so this is not something... there is no exam crisis.
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we didn'tjust stay up all night and write a letter to the treasury committee. you asked for something that we had, and we brought it and gave it to you. you are watching tuesday in parliament, with me, alicia mccarthy. and don't forget you can find all of our programmes on bbc iplayer. it is a national scandal that thousands of children with special needs and disabilities in england are missing out on support. well, that was the conclusion of a damning report by the schools inspector, 0fsted. its findings were backed up by parents giving evidence to the education committee enquiry into special needs provision. they told mps that some local authorities were ignoring parents and rationing services. our daughter has down‘s syndrome and autism, and we found that the schools have generally been very good, but we have had to...
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we seem to be constantly fighting the local authority, whenever we try to get anything done. four years ago, the government scrapped statements on educational need and introduced educational health and care plans. my son still has a statement, believe it or not. i mean, he is also very high needs, being completely blind and autistic. but the things and the reforms, the financial reforms, i saw you had some previous witnesses, i don't know the detail of those. for the ehc plant and the local offer and ferran terror forums, they haven't made any difference. the biggest failure of the system for me is still the same as it was before, which is that people who define the needs of your child are the same people who advise you on the neat. as a parent, you are not the expert, theoretically.
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these other people are the experts. and lots of them are, a lot of are very good. they define the needs in concert with you. a different part of the council is then paying for it. if you have strong views on what your child needs and you can back it up, you have a much higher chance of getting something close to that. can i thank you for your courage was speaking to us this morning, i know it can't be easy. my capacity for giving support i wanted to give the parents and children was really challenging for me on an individual basis. mr rogers said he was happy with his daughter's school. the problem was the local authority. you need to be an expert to get to the system, really, i think that is the problem. most carers just aren't. there's a lot of single parent carers, and they have had a hard time, with a young person with special needs anyway, it is a journey.
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kathleeen redcliffe's son has dyslexia and attends a mainstream school. she says his needs haven't been recognised. the curricular moves so fast, with my son it moved way too fast, and reception probably was a waste of time, because there wasn't anybody there having enough time to be curious, to say, actually, he hasn't got this, i wonder what that's about. so even if the staff really have that commitment and want to support, they may be torn into many directions. yes, they have 30 children's needs, and they have to go with the majority. unfortunately he didn't fit the majority. so yes, all good intention, but it is not effective. and she had some advice
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for new parents: i think protect your own mental health, because i think that is a big challenge for parents, knowing your child is going to school and struggling, and then i think protect your child's mental—health, because that is making sure they having positive things outside of school, and then to access every bit of information you possibly can, and to always be a little bit on the side of maybe they are not doing what they are doing, so you need to be on their backs. labour peers havejoined mps in calling on the transport secretary, chris grayling, for taking a share of the blame for timetable chaos suffered by travellers this year. the committee said mr grayling should have done more to prevent the problems and called for genuine change to restore trust in the railways. a labour spokesman said the way the industry was structured was wrong. the secretary of state for transport
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is responsible for the structure of the system that controls and runs our railways. he is the apex of this system. it goes on, it is therefore not reasonable for the secretary of state to absolve himself from all responsibility. does the noble lady, the minister, agree with the committee? will she further agree that things will not get better until the secretary of state accepts his responsibility or stands aside for a more proactive and responsible candidate? my lords, i should make clear that the secretary of state and the department has accepted responsibility in the role that we played with the timetable is being appointed in may. it is clear from difficulties with the introduction of the new timetable over the summer, with problems experienced with some major investment projects, the collapse of virgin trains' east coast franchise, that we do need to seek significant change, but that is in the structure
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of our railways, not in our secretary of state. another peer raced another problem with train cancellations. some appear to have removed the word cancellation from their vocabulary, so you arrive at the station for a train, look at the board and discover it is no more, it never existed, it is not their. and discover it is no more, it never existed, it is not there. could she help the companies recover the full use of the vocabulary? cancellation is not removed from my vocabulary. it is something we are working to improve. now let's go back to the first of that five—day brexit debate.
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the former foreign secretary, borisjohnson hadn't been won over by anything theresa may had said. there is not one mp who is won over. here is one. there is one. i say it sincerely. and you can tell that the government's parts... and you can tell that the government's heart... point of order. i sincerely believe it. i have got no stake in this government any more but i still think it's the right thing to do. and borisjohnson, who resigned over brexit, was challenged by an snp mp. the right honourable member was a senior member of vote leave, foreign secretary for two yes, we in this mess because of him. foreign secretary for two years, we in this mess because of him.
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does no responsibility? and i do not... i am grateful to the honourable member, but the fact is that i'm afraid i was not able to continue to support this process for precisely that reason. the deal on offer, as the prime minister says, the only deal on offer, does not recover our sovereignty. it leaves us rule takers from the european union, without any voice in shaping those rules. it represents what may well be the biggest transfer of sovereignty ever proposed by any british government, because this time, sovereignty is not being shared. it is being surrendered. the so—called transition period is to an unknown destination, because after 2.5 years we still do not know
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what our eventual relationship with the european union will be, and that is simply not good enough. the withdrawal agreement is indeed a blindfolded brexit which fails to deliver on the promises is not just made by the leave campaign but also, i am sorry to say, by my own government. anna soubryd. that debate in the commons continues for another four days. and that's it from me for now, but do join me at the same time tomorrow for day two of that brexit debate, and of course the highlights from prime minister's questions. but for now, from me, alicia mccarthy, goodbye. hello there. yesterday was a lot colder for many of us and in fact temperatures dipped below freezing
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quite readily after dark across scotland, so we awake to a hard frost with freezing fog. for many, the cloud has rolled in over the last 12 hours, introducing a milder theme in southern areas but when that mild air comes into cold air we have seen some wintry issues over the hills of wales. they will move into the hills of northern england and perhaps the midlands, southern scotland for the rush. a hard frost in the north. that is where we got that area of transition where we could have icy conditions and some snow over the hills. further south it will be quite grey hill fog because we have a lot of low cloud. low—level fog will clear eventually in the north and then it is bright and dry for many of us, much more cloud through the day ahead with outbreaks of rain, hill snow for scotland in the afternoon because we hang on to that cold air.
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further south it is milder. that mild air will continue with us through wednesday night with yet more atlantic weather systems running in. this time they are dragging the mild air right across scotland as well so temporarily we lose that cold air here through the course of thursday but we pick up the cloud. outbreaks of rain and that may ease for a time but there is more to come from the west later. there will be leaden skies for many. brighter perhaps in northern and eastern areas and it a mild day for scotland included northern ireland. however, the rain is the next developing area of low pressure and that could turn out to be a deep area of low pressure with potentially disruptive wind and it will pull in some cold air to northern scotland as well. a lot to think about for friday. there is more heavy rain, the potential for blizzards in the north of scotland and the risk of severe gales. gusts reaching 70 or 80 miles an hour. that is through the course of friday. from the start of friday through to the end it looks like a windy day across the board.
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that area of cloud and rain in the north turns to snow in the hills and possibly wintry across the pennines as well and a windy day throughout. there will be peaks in those gusts of wind and we could have more rain waiting for saturday. on friday it starts relatively mild but as we get the north—westerly wind in temperatures will tumble once again. and this is the weekend. as we go through the weekend we have further areas of low pressure to come in so it remains unsettled times and a windy picture. bye— bye. welcome to bbc news — broadcasting to viewers in north america and around the globe. my name is mike embley. our top stories: the ayes to the right, 311, the noes to the left, 293. more brexit trouble for theresa may. 3 big defeats for her government, but the british prime minister is insistent. the choice before parliament is clear. this deal, no deal or the risk of no brexit. two senior republicans —
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briefed by the cia — now say they are certain the saudi crown prince ordered the killing and dismemberment of jamal khashoggi. stocks tumble on wall street as investors worry about the latest threats to the us economy and relations with china. a u—turn for macron: the french president backs down in the face of protests. he's suspended new fuel taxes, but will it be enough?


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