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eight minutes ago, a sunbeam struck this is bbc news. nesrine malik, columnist out into the vast vacuum of space. i'm shaun ley. for the guardian. michael goldfarb, host it did not bounce off course, the headlines at midday: of the frdh podcast. as so many others do. marc roche of french it was not absorbed. the home secretary, sajid javid, is facing criticism when it reached our atmosphere, after the death of the baby it continued, unfazed. this particular sunbeam came to you. son of shamima begum, the british teenager whose news magazine, le point. citizenship he revoked forjoining the islamic state group. and you were ready for it. to know what's coming, check the bbc weather app. a man charged with murdering i don't to jodie chesney has been remanded in custody. i don t need to tell you that the 17—year—old was stabbed it's less than three to death in a park in east weeks till brexit day. london last friday. two months ago, theresa may s withdrawal agreement suffered the biggest defeat in british parliamentary history. on tuesday, the prime minister faces parliament again. has enough changed to get her deal through? the brexit secretary accuses michel barnier, the eu chief negotiator, steve 7 steve? almost certainly not. there of trying "to rerun old arguments" as talks continue between the uk and eu. is little evidence of much change at also coming up this hour... increased activity at a missile site in north korea. all. she will get a rewording of a satellite images of a facility near pyongyang suggest the country somewhat limited significance, in relation to the issue of the so—called backstop, this is the insurance policy which is in the uk leaves the eu, it remains committed
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toa leaves the eu, it remains committed to a soft border in ireland. with that sort of bother, i'm told there isa that sort of bother, i'm told there is a solution to it, no one knows what it is, the uk would stay in the customs union. theresa may's hard line i don't like it, they still don't like it, and they are unlikely to like it next tuesday. but, it is extraordinary it is less than three weeks to go until britain, theoretically, leave the eu. i remember being on this programme a year ago, remember being on this programme a yearago, and remember being on this programme a year ago, and the panel all agreed, there were new then, what form brexit would take. with less than three weeks to go, still, nobody knows for sure what form it will take, and when. it's an extraordinary position. does anybody disagree with steve? does anybody think we will withdraw on tuesday? no. do we think the current talking
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from brussels and grimsby, in fact, the prime minister saying just one more push. michel barnier was tweeting back his responses. for free, do you think at as pointless as it using public pressure and the public may to negotiate, to leverage? or, is it pre—empting a blame game? on friday, the french minister for europe was in london. she spoke to us, saying that she is exasperated. she just can't understand what the british want. the deal is the deal and won't be changed. but, she went even further. that is the great danger of it all. she said, i did see the need to extend article 50 by several weeks to delay brexit. for what? the british don't have a plan. from the
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european point of view, we are heading for now extension, because i think the french will oppose it. and, hard brexit, i can't see any other solution. when an act, do you see an extension? no, i don't see any willpower from theresa may's government to do anything, for when the worst case scenario does happen, they just don't the worst case scenario does happen, theyjust don't have someone to blame. that's why i agree with you... theresa may's speech in general, have changed and calcified recently. they have become less about compromise and letting people come round the table and try to understand and explain what's going on. they have been more about, i think, fill the belt hitting at the labour party and the eu and her tory
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enemies. i think that is her positioning for when things don't go to plan, for her to say, it was the labour party to not having the willpower to talk to me about it, it is the eu being intransigent, it is those members of the tory party who we re those members of the tory party who were not being realistic. i think thatis were not being realistic. i think that is a very shameful abdication on the part of theresa may, for her just to cover her bases and make sure when it all hits the fan, she has all the things lined up and she can point the finger at someone else. last-ditch negotiation going on this weekend, or pre—emptive blame game? in a sense, there is a unifying principle about brexit in the first place. for the conservative party, it's been about blaming europe for about 30—35 years for all the shortcomings in domestic policy. going back to the time of margaret thatcher, and restructuring
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the british economy and creating social fermenting of chaos,... the conservatives blame european regulations. they were out of power for about 11 years, but they came back into power and still wear blaming regulations. the instituted austerity. to me, the most extraordinary thing is how about a politician she is, and that she has risen to the top of the political tree. the naked bribery, the {1.6 billion... for all of those labour, leave tiles. where was it 8—10 years ago when they took power? she wouldn't describe the stronger towns fund as naked bribery. do you think any of that will work? we have also heard the chancellor talking about getting the deal through on tuesday
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would release funds which are currently tied up? the infamous £50 million a week that we give to the un dues and whatever first. plus, it doesn't take into account that the european structural funds which do come back. the towns fund is spread over ten years, come back. the towns fund is spread overten years, i come back. the towns fund is spread over ten years, i think stephen will note the numbers better than any of us, this is essentially what we might have expected back in european structural funds anyway. it is naked and it is crude, but it is all about blame game. brexit has been about blaming the eu for everything not going right, critically when it is a conservative government. it is a fiction. the eu, for once, has been absolutely united with this plan. the british have tried everything, going above michel barnier, going directly to the allies. the eu stuck to the plan, the british signed that
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plan. they come back saying, we want changes, that is not possible. on weather anybody‘s 9 is going to be change by tuesday by either the stronger towns fund, or philip allen saying we will get it through now that we have about money? she will get the support of some labour mps as she did last time, but not as many as she had hoped for. just to go back to my the politician, she is extraordinary, and that her strategy, as far as you could call ita strategy, as far as you could call it a strategy, is just to keep going. i think that she thinks that her biggest success in her political life, for her, was her time at the home office when she was home secretary for a long time, six yea rs. secretary for a long time, six years. her method then was, if she faced opposition in the cabinet to something she is you do, shejust
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kept going. this is what she had applied to this. up until the bout on how deal that she lost in january, she was adamant that the backstop had to be part of the overall settlement, because of the irish question. now, she is adamant it is up for renegotiation. she stepped aside and then moves on. she is not the only actor on stage though. if she doesn't get it through on tuesday, can she continue? you would imagine in a normal political circumstances, if you have been charged for two or three years of the process, facing two major defeats, if she does go down to defeat on tuesday, they would think, is it time to hand over? when she lost the vote in january by a record amount, under normal circumstances, if i mess that
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would resign. she carried on. i have no doubt at all that she would carry on if she loses the vote again on tuesday. what do you see the game plan as? as far as there is a longer term strategy, it is to keep on going to stop i think she will stand up going to stop i think she will stand up if she is defeated again. i think there will be an extension voted on by the house of commons this week, questionable weather the eu will accept it. i expect she will say, i would use this time, i want to leave at the end of march, to continue the negotiation over the so—called backstop. that's what i expect, things moving so fast, it's very ha rd to things moving so fast, it's very hard to predict. but, i don't think she will stand up and say, i have lost again, i will either renegotiate a much softer brexit to get through this house of commons, i don't think you'll do that, i don't think she will stand down. the way
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you phrase the question, that is theresa may. the best lack all conviction. the ones who really wanted to replace her are keeping their light wanted to replace her are keeping theirlight undera wanted to replace her are keeping their light under a bushel, weather it's borisjohnson their light under a bushel, weather it's boris johnson getting their light under a bushel, weather it's borisjohnson getting a new haircut, the most dramatic thing he has done in two months. a leadership haircut. then you have jeremy corbyn in the labour party, just to lead it to the cliff edge, possibly over the cliff edge... i think there is a reason it is all about theresa may. every time talk about it on this programme, it always comes down to her. it is the ultimate irony, she is the most fragile prime minister since 1945, and she is pulling all the leathers. —— levers.
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since 1945, and she is pulling all the leathers. -- levers. ithink thatis the leathers. -- levers. ithink that is an important point for our wider and international viewers — what brexit has also done, it has degraded the conservative party in a way that has made it inevitable that brexit will be a disaster. because what it has done is that it has broken out into two halves, one is there really ideological, old school, almost thatcherite faction that no one wants to see in power. then there is the other part, which is the sort of debt behind the eyes, managerial, david cameron leaders who got his year in first place. brexit has broken conservative party wide open. we can see there really is nothing there. because brexit requires such a vision and such imagination and such conviction, people have not been forthcoming because they are just not there. the bigger problem, i think, for the
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politics of the uk is that brexit has bankrupted the leading party and it has created a shadow of the opposition party, i feel very sorry forjeremy corbyn actually because he came to power to talk about the nhs and of things affecting peoples lives. but he became derailed by brexit. we have a sort of radiation sickness that has affected both parties, we are in an even more impossible place. it is a very difficult brexit question which needed robust... but to the system is so blocked. while british politics is consumed by backstop clauses — a french president is thinking big. in a letter to the more than 500 million citizens of the european union, emmanuel macron talks of a renaissance. he even suggests the uk will find a place in a reformed europe. but, with many centre parties in a battle for survival against the rise of the far right — who willjoin his chorus
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for the ode tojoy? marc? this time, macron has not taken a general view and general principle. he goes to into a very detailed proposition which goes towards changing the schengen the free movement, the policy. helping citizens of the effects of globalisation, all the very interesting separate accounts. the problem is that, at the moment, europe is divided between the macron type and the pru europe or the rest.
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eastern europe, italians, who want to return to one nation state. macron is now putting himself as the head of this new coalition which could save europe from the bad situation it is in, against populism, knowing that there are european elections and the polls show that he is ahead in france, compared to madame le pen, who is richard grading. the problem is, but also thinks that he has to make a stand, otherwise, germany will dominate europe. i do think that even as we get ready to leave brexit it hasn't stopped the filtered through the british press being a little inaccurate in some quarters. ido little inaccurate in some quarters. i do think that we were playing at this right—wing populism, i privileged to call it a new fascism
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because that has what it really is. take the last french election, i think there is a segment of french political analysis that says the scale of macron the's victory was actually against marine le pen. looking at the some of the reporting, at obviously, you see the five movement, right—wing populist getting the middle finger to the establishment, there were genuine left wing people who felt that the socialist party was a right technocratic party. it is fragmenting. when that government inevitably falls, it is italy, they follow every 18 months, we will see what the new alignment is. most importantly, the evp, the right—wing group in the european parliament ——
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group in the european parliament —— e p p. is considering one of their grouping because they find that he is gone too far. it took them a while, didn't it? three years ago, the christian democrats thought that he was an ally, now they say he is chasing out universities, completely controlling the press. he is perhaps at the centre of a certain amount of corruption. this is what politics are about. people in this country always forget, the eu is not and economic thing, it is a political thing. but, within that politics is an economic reality. people realise you get a better economy by being united in the single market, so the politicians have to learn out. you say you cannot fast forward reality, but the kinds of reforms that marc was describing in the letter from
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macron, the efforts to actually think how europe might work and function better. david cameron tried to go to europe before the referendum and said, would like to think about reform? one of the critical things in the letter, is that the vast numbers of migrants coming from sub—saharan africa and got in these terrible boats and all ended up in italy, what he is saying about the schengen is, if you're in it, then you all have an obligation to take. everybody in schengen has to take. everybody in schengen has to take. everybody in schengen has to take their share of these migrants. is that realistic to be talking about that?” migrants. is that realistic to be talking about that? i think, immigration was what set of this conflagration. posterity, yes. but, it was immigration that really set it was immigration that really set it off. it wasn'tjust immigration though. i'm no fan of macron, but i do think someone needs to do this,
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to create a vision, to talk about the stuff without playing handmaiden to populism. that is where the centre and the left have fallen down in the past two decades. when they see that immigration is something that the bout have used to get votes, they have tried to outflank them or keep quiet. that is where immigration becomes toxic, not because it is happening, but because people do not lead on the narrative on immigration. when angler metal did it was too late, and she was a line. iadmire did it was too late, and she was a line. i admire macron or any centrist leftist figure standing up saying, we have a problem with immigration, the only way to resolve it as to go through. we need to have solidarity, we share this common economic agreement, we share borders, we need to resolve it together. as opposed to saying, we understand people have legitimate concerns about immigration, we must listen to them. that is a copout and
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what we are in this situation. do you think it was wise to put so many issues in that letter to the climate bank, to the security agency. we have seen grand visions from marketing before, european army, eurozone reform— it'll happen. marketing before, european army, eurozone reform- it'll happen. there isa eurozone reform- it'll happen. there is a risk that macron is the ideas quy- is a risk that macron is the ideas guy. he comes out, wants to talk, wa nts to guy. he comes out, wants to talk, wants to debate and have these conversations. it's not the usual. is not necessarily pie in the sky. i think is because the tenant of it, it is cooperative and visionary. the success it is cooperative and visionary. the success of populism, i do agree that the pendulum has slightly swung, i think the success of populism has created a vision. weather it is nostalgic, or their establishment of hierarchy. where the centre and the left the failed is creating that
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vision. first of all, cameron's renegotiation wasjust vision. first of all, cameron's renegotiation was just unrealistic. he was trying to get something on free movement, something that is not going to happen. the irony is that if the uk does leave the eu, it will probably reform in some of the ways that macron has outlined and the uk might have wanted to, but they will be out. the other thing is, in terms of the uk, brexit has caused the schism in the deceptive party. this schism in the deceptive party. this schism led to brexit. the conservative party in the uk and europe has had a crisis for at least 20-38 europe has had a crisis for at least 20—58 years. this is brought down three conservative prime minister is and will bring down a four. that is releva nt and will bring down a four. that is relevant to populism in the eu. only the uk has a mainstream party, so hung up about the eu, in the end, a
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substantial number wanting to leave from that mainstream party. most of the rest of the eu has fringe parties, fringe candidates campaigning to leave, but not the mainstream parties. but, when these populist parties surge in the polls and did quite well, instead of establishing momentum, the worry and leaders resign at the moment they get anywhere. there are some predictions that european elections in may, the big blocks, the epp will sting about, the fringe parties with the populist, xenophobic agendas will grow and ultimately have a kind of antiaging or paralysing minority. do you buy that? now, i don't. there are three parties. there is also the
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liberal party. there are the socialist and there are conservatives. together, they will hold the balance of power, they will of the dividejobs hold the balance of power, they will of the divide jobs between themselves. the populists will still be on the fringe of the european parliament. the european parliament is very important now, much more important in terms of policy—making thanit important in terms of policy—making than it was in the past. they won't let them. i think it's fine that we have parties that are eurosceptic and populist, that will try and agitate their bases on resentment against the eu. the important thing is to have a bullock when it comes to these parties. where the uk failed, piggybacked these other issues onto it which are not related to the eu at all, the mainstream parties caved. there is an integral
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issue within the conservative party with the eu in the first place. if you have a political body in the eu which has a sensible mainstream ce ntre which has a sensible mainstream centre that can counter the rhetoric of populist parties and give them representation, then that's absolutely fine. presumably, they must be scalable at the european level. questions about macron‘s letter, do you think the response of other european leaders suggest that the vision thing can be coalesced into something bigger? it is not just may on the stage like the uk, we have a europe with more than 500 million citizens and lots of different governments, you need a bargain. i think that is one of the unfair questions about the eu. weather you are all on board or not on board and it is all fallen apart. it isa on board and it is all fallen apart. it is a work in progress, it is about making sure that at least the conversation is hard. i think when people make necessary noises, there isa people make necessary noises, there is a sense that there is a common vision, even if not everybody is on
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board, the people, say they don't agree with the letter — that's also fine. it is not the death knell of the eu, it doesn't need to be.|j the eu, it doesn't need to be.” really think, at the end of the day, the eu for hopes that britain would leave. —— won't leave. the eu for hopes that britain would leave. -- won't leave. macron is clear — go, sort your stuff out, then come back. i think that is the essential thing from most european capitals. could be a long way. that's it for dateline london for this week. we're back next week at the same time. goodbye.
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hello. it's been a windy and, for some, wintry start to the weekend, and there's more snow in the forecast. we're watching developments out in the atlantic, one from the south, one from the west, and if theyjoin forces, the low pressure could become quite potent to give us some windy weather, but also, some significant snow. that is through tonight and tomorrow. it's been windy enough this morning, as well, gusts widely 40—50 mph, making it feel cold, but there's some sunshine around as well as the smattering of snow that we have seen. that is the setup for the rest of the day. a weather front crossing through orkney and shetland, one gathering towards the south—west. in between, sunny spells and showers, which will be most prevalent in the north and the west, falling as hail, sleet, and snow over the hills of scotland. the winds will tend to ease a little this afternoon, temperatures across scotland and northern ireland will be below
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average for the time of year. further south, with more sunshine, the winds easing easing and shelter from the sunshine, temperatures will get a little higher than average. it'll feel quite pleasant, with many places having a lot of dry weather and very few showers. however, through this evening and overnight, then gathers in the south and west. that wetter weather bumping into the cold air, somehow snow over loving at england, wales, and the midlands. the next with a front coming in from the west, establishing cold air in the north, a widespread frost overnight. when that weather system comes in and joins forces with the one from the south, we will see significant snowfall through tomorrow morning, especially for scotland, but probably for love in parts of northern ireland and went as well. asi northern ireland and went as well. as i mentioned, potentialfor it to become very windy. the air is colder
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tomorrow, snow showers following thick fast, potentially windy weather, it will feel very cold. even in the south, we will see more showers. a very different feeling day tomorrow. brief respite on monday before we get the next low pressure system coming of the atlantic, potentially becoming a storm, with severe gale gale—force winds. the warnings are on the website.
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