tv Brexitcast BBC News September 14, 2019 2:30pm-3:01pm BST
now, our top political correspondents give us the latest in the brexit process, with the new brexitcast tv programme, reflecting on another dramatic week. adam, did you get a blunt text today asking a rather personal question? what are you wearing. but not in that weird way. they laugh. after that you know, like a "what are you wearing because you're going to be on tv tonight" way. 0h! i didn't get one of them. nordid i. well, you weren't wearing a very sort of flannel—y sort of gingham shirt, which... it wasn't that bad. anyway... the blue shirt came out and this has passed the tv test, apparently. this is the joy of a podcast on the telly. no, not the clothes show,
welcome to the brexitcast. brexitcast. brexitcast from the bbc. no one's got a bleep clue what brexit is. brexit is... i hadn't quite understood the full extent of this. we're particularly reliant on the dover—calais crossing. i met borisjohnson once. the doubters, the doomsters, the gloomsters — they are going to get it wrong again. remainers and leavers — that is going to end well. a process which i can only describe as a dog's brexit. well, it's a blue—shirted chris at westminster and i have just been told to sit up as well. this telly lark! it's finishing me off and we're only ten seconds in. oh, well. laura at westminster. adam at westminster, although normally in brussels with... katya, also normally in brussels and trying to sit up as straight as everybody else. we don't normally have to do this, not when we were just podcasting. when we were just a podcast. yes, i know. so, we thought we'd come and see you.
it's nice of you to be here. hang it, rather than being through the airwaves. i suppose we should have a go, have a crack, shouldn't we, at explaining what on earth we try and do for people who are seeing for the first time on the tv? and haven't tripped across as an podcast land. yeah, it might be a bit frightening. yeah, because here we are, late at night, four people sitting box with headphones on. and, you know, it's not the usual thing of telly and suits and autocue and all that kind of stuff. well, that is obvious. that is obvious. and also it is not our usual persona on television, either, is it? because if you see as on the ten o'clock news or if you hear us on radio four, we will be sending a lot more serious. a bit posher. laughter. and we give shorter answers. laughter. yes, significantly. markedly. we do summarise there, whereas here we go into detail and we go behind the scenes a lot, so, don't we? we do. all about the news of the day. but we should not be
scared of the details. no. i'm not scared of detail. i love the details. that is why i carry these things around with me. yes, one of our running things, isn't it, it's been this idea of adam and his binders? and so, where are the binders, adam? you come with, what, a couple of chunky yellow pages or whatever it is. very strict on luggage these days on the train. and the whole idea, though, is that katya and i are in brussels and you guys are here while this massive story is unfolding and a really good way of understanding what is going on is hearing what is happening here, hearing what is happening with us and then us getting together and talking. yeah, you bump into people in parliament and you guys are bumping into people in the european institutions and that they whisper stuff in our ears. that sounds quite romantic. i'm not sure that's quite how it happens. you know, talking of romance, the thing i love about brexitcast, though, is that it has — i'm going to sound like a total... i was going to say something really rude... a total lovey. it's been a journey with other people. a two year journey. because we know how. so, if you're watching are so listening to this by the first time tonight,
brexitcasters who have been with us for a long time, we know who you are. for example, anna. so there is anna with the nails. yeah, she paints the brexit story on her nails. we love that. welcome, anna, we hope you're listening tonight. there is one of our classics — no deal, boom, brexitcast. and then i think that's the irish border. 0h. yeah, it is. what does the irish border look like in a manicure? very impressive. there is the irish border. excellent skills. and then there was one this week from gus her i think somebody very important in the british virgin islands. isn't he like the governor... general or consul? your lordship, if you are listening. yes, nice to have you along. he tweeted, "should i be pleased or worried that my 11—year—old son is tiding his room, listening to brexitcast"? definitely pleased. and there is a photo of gus's son tidying his bedroom. imean... laughter. katya, you have two kids — is that a tidy bedroom for a kid,
for an 11—year—old? we cannot see the floor and it's the floor that counts. 0h! it's true. you're hardcore. ok, let's talk about our tidy or untidy constitution. oh, well done. this whole suspension of parliament — prorogation — is it legal, is it illegal? is it happening, is it not? is it illegal in scotland but not in england? when will we know? let me put on my robe. robe? ajudge‘s robe? yeah. i want the wig. i want to see the wig. that would be amazing. a wig with headphones. that would be great. and then i wouldn't have to dry my hair in the morning. it would be transformational. the this week dressing up box is no longer in use, so i'm sure we can deploy it. and, if you are a this week of viewer, welcome along. it is lovely to have you, but you didn't get andrew to leave behind any blue and i for one am really disappointed about that. so, a couple of days ago, the scottish court — yesterday, only — said that borisjohnson‘s suspension of parliament — the prorogation — was illegal and that he had misled the queen. now, in constitutional terms, that's kind of as big as it gets.
that's a big fat problem, but last week, the high court in london did not say it was not illegal, they basically said it was none of our business. they said it is a political decision and not a legal one, so dun dun dun... what happens now is that the uk supreme court has to give the final verdict on it. and they will start judging it on tuesday, so by this time next week, we will know what the ruling has been. in the meantime, there were sort of caper scenes yesterday as mps who had gone home on monday night, or gone home on tuesday night, some of them actually had not necessarily gone home at all — they started to come back to westminster, back with their wheelie cases and a group of them protested outside parliament, saying, you know, we're here, we're doing our work and it's an outrage that parliament is not sitting. and the curiosity that the speaker's office said that it was down to the government, didn't they, whether parliament would reconvene in this period between the hearing in scotland and the hearing next week?
yeah. saying, no, no, we will wait to see what the supreme court says. but it's striking, isn't it, with all of these events at the moment which is so kind of category a news day—to—day — a day like yesterday on the verdict of the scottish court, it did not seem as dramatic as some of the events last week, but you step back from it and you think, wow, isn't it extraordinary? a court saying that about a british prime minister? yeah. and then the british prime minister being asked, did you lie to the queen? well, ratheralarmingly, he was asked that while standing on the deck of a battleship, which was actually an announcement about shipbuilding, but here is what it was like. did you lie to the queen when you advised her to prorogue — to suspend — parliament? absolutely not. and indeed, as i say, the high court in england plainly agrees with us, but the supreme court will have to decide. this is not normal. you know, borisjohnson has not been in office even for two months yet and already we are not the devcon five where he has been asked questions like that, he is flighting
convention all over the place. but just for people butjust for people wondering what has gone on? at the difference in point of law is notjust because a scottish law and english law is different, although i have enjoyed explaining that to people. it is because the scottish court gave greater weight to the idea that the suspension happened because downing street were trying to evade scrutiny. they did it in clandestine means. so, the depth different weight, not so much about a different... and legal opinion and this is so untested. at the moment, it is like we are on this big map without any lines on it. and i feel a bit sorry for boris johnson, actually, because this idea today, we're not good to talk about yellowhammer, which we will talk about any minute, all the other things, i'm going to go talk about battleships and destroy everybody and sound grant and there he is and gets asked about lying to the queen. you know, we have spent as much time
oi'i you know, we have spent as much time on exit cast talk about battleships and distract everybody. —— talk about battleships and distract everybody. the interesting thing about it is that although the events of the last couple of weeks have been, i'm sure, really shocking for lots of people in the country, the really shocking and outrageous for people in parliament, certainly, we have seen people in the streets, if you thousand. we should not get the impression that there are a million people in the street, but it has been very dramatic. —— a few thousand. there has always been one in his team and we got that message from the people that he put into number ten, from the people that he put into numberten, a from the people that he put into number ten, a total awareness that they were going to go down a provocative rate and it was likely to put this confrontation on hyperspeed —— a provocative route to first listening to a conclusion. brexitcast, we have all been talking
about the grinding, grinding process that has gone on and on and on. but johnson's priority above all else is to stick to that headline on halloween ——. and if that means forcing a confrontation, that is what they're going to do and when it is shocking to some people very political point of view it is not surprising. it is a funny thing to explain. we saw that in brussels, because he would speak to officials and diplomats and politicians and some would say this prorogation thing that we have just read about, thatis thing that we have just read about, that is a bit undemocratic, is it notbut then you would find people saying, oh, hang on, maybe this is a bit of a good strategic tactic because it focuses the opposition into a one—week period before parliament then went on recess and how it makes you have got your october european cancer where boris johnson will speak to the leaders —— october european council. and then you'd have a two week period after the summit where you could have
another competition about the many different sides of westminster and actually it was a weird kind of focusing that. that was the idea not that if that were the theory, she says using her subjunctive proudly, oh, that is fancy. what was the subjunctive there? i know i oh, that is fancy. what was the subjunctive there? i knowl have lost my train of thought. if that had been the plan, then the idea of shutting parliament down with the supposed lead at the attention would be in borisjohnson and he could do what he likes, talking about battleships in the nhs and education and he is not faced by mps paralysing time, what is happening with no deal preparations and how serious are you about the negotiations have you seen his face pick pm key is cosmic so that has him controlling narrative completely. ——
facebook prime minister's questions. but, he has tripped up, surely, now. he has in that technically speaking, he has had a blast vote in parliament and got rid of his majority, voluntarily, by putting people out of the party and he has lost the major case in court and been told that he is breaking the law. so this is a really, really serious stuff, but... there is a but coming andi serious stuff, but... there is a but coming and i think a lot of people will find us but it is what is happening. dividing lines have been around in politics forever. divide and conquer, here we go. it is clear there and it always has been since there and it always has been since the moment, july 2a of 20 face when he moved in, that the dividing line for borisjohnson he moved in, that the dividing line for boris johnson and he moved in, that the dividing line for borisjohnson and for the tories and their strategy in the next election when it comes will be, we wa nt to election when it comes will be, we want to get on with their lives, we know that you want to get on with your lives, the other lot... us and them, them they want to keep talking about brexit forever. so these
events, anyway, pushing the bills, pushing the boundaries, all actually could even be helpful in the narrative. this also happens on brexitcast casque. .. we open up our notebooks. i can't live your handwriting is as bad as it is. —— believe your handwriting is as bad as this. as a part of me thinks that maybe this was the inevitable level of pain that killed mae's career. instead of keeping the country together, you push them apart. instead of keeping the country together, you push them apartm that context and the court of session and the supreme court can be actors in that establishment versus the people. i think this will have a resolution in the courts because
number ten are not going to write the letter, they're not going to have the delay and they're just going to dig their heels in, but they kept up a lot of times and they have not got the election, but the big picture is still the same. professor kuenssberg qc. 0h, big picture is still the same. professor kuenssberg qc. oh, thank you. what if the supreme court say that the scottish court was right and the government was wrong? that depends on what day that judgment comes, partly, but theoretically it means that mps could have to get back on their trains and packed there were cases and everyone sets again. another interesting thing about the scottish court is that they stop short of ordering the government to do that again, so it was almost as if they knew that the next myth actually was going to, i have to be settled by the uk court. —— the next move. next week that they might be ordered, the
government may be ordered by the courts to open parliament again, although, the expectation is that will not happen, but obviously legal opinion is... it is all over the place because we do not have a written constitution and this is all u ntested written constitution and this is all untested stuff. and we are practising discussion about the judiciary is independent or not and, again, ithink judiciary is independent or not and, again, i think it was brodie stewart, he gave an interview on the today programme —— rory stewart. stewart, he gave an interview on the today programme —— rory stewart! former conservative mp as he now is. this normally happens in other countries, he said. i have to say, there were a few eyebrows raised in other countries about that comment. what exactly is he trying to say? but really, that has phenomenal, you're questioning the independence of the judiciary, you're questioning the independence of thejudiciary, questioning you're questioning the independence of the judiciary, questioning lying to the queen by the prime minister. this is... the way brexitcast is written in big letters — like extraordinary, every sense of the
word. somehow you get so lost in all these big events that they almost cancel each other out. do we talk today about yellowhammer?” cancel each other out. do we talk today about yellowhammer? i was going to say, yellowhammer. yellowhammer is the code for the government's preparedness effort no deal whether it is hospitals, care homes, petrol, whatever. as it worst—case scenario, base case scenario cosmic are best worst—case scenario cosmic are best worst—case scenario cosmic are best worst—case scenario cosmic orjust really bad cosmic so this is labelled. this is the thing that the government that heard, published last night in response to that vote in the commons a couple of nights earlier. and it is badged the reasonable worst—case planning assumptions as of the 2nd of august. to address that point, this document is something very, very close to it was leaked to the
sunday times a couple of weeks ago and the reporter said, the thing i had was pretty much the same thing, partly top which talked about a base scenario, which is a whitehall speakerfor the middle scenario, which is a whitehall speaker for the middle of the doomometer. winners worst—case scenario is near the very end. —— winners worst—case scenario is now the very end. when i put this to seven last night, the implication was that there were lots of documents that circulate around in westminster and there is possible that there can be two that are circulating at different levels are different times and might have slightly different types does to them. in other words, slightly different types does to them. in otherwords, it slightly different types does to them. in other words, it seems to be them. in other words, it seems to be the impression that this was not, as has been interpreted in some places, not least in social media, that the tippex commit and it was doctored on ado tippex commit and it was doctored on a do some are suggesting. tippex commit and it was doctored on a do some are suggestinglj tippex commit and it was doctored on a do some are suggesting. i think it is right and it is also worth saying
that the person if we had of this was a mystic months ago when one of the best snappers in westminster almost 12 months ago. i related an injection that we are on the telly cosmic state back, cut it carrying —— in a letter carrying it under one arm 0peration yellowhammer and it has taken 12 months the government to publish it. it is really frightening if that is what government ministers have been trying to reassure us. it is the beginning of august, isn't it and a lot has changed since then.|j beginning of august, isn't it and a lot has changed since then. i think it is true to say that this administration, by people inside and outside it will say that i have really stepped up the pressure for —— for the effort for an ordeal. i think that is genuine. but i know that —— we know in brexitcast that
we cannot make sure that everybody would be prepared and that all businesses will be prepared. have you broken the studio or right?|j just kicked over a leftover tin of paint. as the lead on properly? there was a very interesting factoid coming there. the only bad that is to make sure that yellowhammer —— the only way to make sure that yellowhammer does not become a real thing is to get a deal, which is what we have spent the most of the last we are talking about. all kinds of whispers, it is a bit of optimism in the air. on the premise has been standing and talking a lot more about a deal this week. —— the prime minister chris, he said nothing well ina minister chris, he said nothing well in a million chance of no deal. i'm sorry, but he has yo—yos all over the place and i have to say that at this point, the optimism here. the optimism is not in the eu. the eu says that we will never stop trying
and we will never stop listening, partly true, because no deal is expensive and painful economically. but also because they have to show to their own public that we back trying. and that is why you had angler merkel, the german chancellor saying i'm going to write the last minute —— angela merkel. she has to say that she's going to work to last minute because germany stands to lose 100,000 jobs in the case of no deal. german voters need to see that is going to be opened up until the la st is going to be opened up until the last minute, but optimism? we heard from michel barnier today. michel barnier's remarks sent to the european parliament today —— and my french is not great ——. european parliament today —— and my french is not great --. he also said that we have no cause to be optimistic right now. where does that bet? it is good to look at what
we know is happening. there is this process that at the moment twice a week, the prime minister's europe adviser goes to brussels. he and i we re adviser goes to brussels. he and i were on the same train yesterday and he was not pleased at that and he ran away. david, if your lesson, you may as well start talking to adam now because or else he's going to follow you until you speak to him. and you know who knows what it is like being followed by me cosmic michel barnier himself. the eu chief's brexit negotiator and i find they were him down and got him to be super nice to us. we have spent an eternity, chasing him around. the manic years. this is where it has got us. adolescent... is there any progress? i am very impressed. hello. good to see you. all the best
from the brexitcast tv tonight. will you be watching? always interested. i always have many things to learn. there are smooth, diplomats.“ i always have many things to learn. there are smooth, diplomats. if katy perry had said that to me that would be the best day. but your beam is still quite large, on a beammometer. but to make it less about me, he has not been super positive to the brits this week. they were presenting his ideas for the irish border, it sounded very much like some old ideas presented by theresa may and the very start — things like... ideas presented by theresa may and the very start - things like... this is the whole day sketching idea, keeping the border of ireland open, but the original idea was a close economic relationship than the guest
rest of the uk so that you do not need to have a broader on the island of ireland and that was ditched because they do of dup did not like it and because they do of dup did not like itand a because they do of dup did not like it and a lot of conservatives did not like it either. it seems to be backin not like it either. it seems to be back in the ether as a conversation again, does it not? is back on ether, but not the northern ireland only backs up as a note. absolutely because on people's pm cues the premise is that absolutely no to the northern ireland backstop. but what isa northern ireland backstop. but what is a diluted version cosmic it is notjust is a diluted version cosmic it is not just about keeping the is a diluted version cosmic it is notjust about keeping the birder open full stop it is not about, as we have seen from suggestions about having to exhibit further back from the body. that does not cut it either. it is about keeping the all ireland economy going. and keeping that infrastructure of the birder and protecting the single market for the ego. as well as protecting the northern ireland peace process —— the birder. when you check the site is coming from the uk, and there are
ideas, been chatted around. those are the criteria by which the eu will take it off. if it is a take on now in production at the birder, still has to protect the single market and be perceived to protect the northern ireland police process. —— at the birder. —— the northern ireland peace process. that is the centre of the conundrum where we are still here with so much to talk about three years on and for the foreseeable future. one thing, there isa foreseeable future. one thing, there is a whisper... we like whispers. there is a whisper of positivity in the side that these conversations are starting to flow and a chance... and a chance that the prime minister made go see jean—claude juncker
early next week and that will only happen if they think they have got something to talk about, which will give us more to talk about on brexitcast next week. it is my line, just when my thing, surely it has nine? we will be in strasbourg for the european parliament from monday afternoon, tuesday maybe wednesday. maybe borisjohnson were going to hand there are studies and acted. my other, just when i think, apart from talks... ito adam, so i'm just sneaking an extra one for me. rules are there to be broken, or as my father—in—law says, promises are only real in the ears of those who hearthem. only real in the ears of those who hear them. that is very cryptic. we surely must leave it there. we could in theory be here for years and yea rs in theory be here for years and years and years. he had just been a isa years and years. he had just been a is a sense, because you're not going to bother with newfangled telly, and you will find out next week if telly even that is back on. good everybody. brexitcast are from the
bbc. 0ur weather watchers. this one sent in earlier this one sent in earlier from bolton. just a bit of high—level cloud turning the sand and a bit hazy. cloudy skies for the north. northern ireland, scotland, this photo sent in by a weather watcher in aberdeenshire. we have an area of the pressure at iceland in the on the satellite. claudia is cascading in. the best of the sunshine further south. heavy and
persistent free time. gradually going to work its way south as we move to the next 2a hours. temperatures in the north, setting a limit to high teens. getting into the low 20s across the southern half of the uk. here it will remain dry without winds. it is fairly blustery picture across scotland. and in particular, the north—west of scotla nd particular, the north—west of scotland and the northerners, west wales, courtesy gales severe gales. —— western isles. that she had brea ks —— western isles. that she had breaks of being gradually slip south and clearer ten which is overnight generally between eight and 13 celsius. here's how it looks in a pressure chart as we move into tomorrow, confront still with us, looks like it will be bringing further rain behind it a fresher feel. i had a vet we are going to hold onto that one. we will see some sunny spells developing for northern scotla nd sunny spells developing for northern scotland any risk of monitor showers here. cloud without outbreaks of
rainfor here. cloud without outbreaks of rain for northern ireland and southern scotland and northern parts of wales i have across the sector looks like it will be dry. 25 are perhaps 26 ounces in the south—east. behind that conference, though, setting a new low to mid teens. he does have it looks as we move into the start of next week. high pressure still dominating the weather. that confront creeping out to the south—east and at. they will bea to the south—east and at. they will be a fresher feel to things as we left the next week. they will be a good deal of dry weather and some sunny spells as well, some chilly nights to come, but the temperatures picking up as we left by the end of the week and into next weekend. goodbye.
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