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to stick with this election launch. if you wonder where itjeremy corbyn is, he hasn't started his brexit speech yet, that's one of his mps. warming upfor speech yet, that's one of his mps. warming up for him, bbc newsroom live is next. it is now only the liberal democrats standing upfor it is now only the liberal democrats standing up for the united kingdom and keeping the united kingdom together. you have the snp trying to break up the uk. we have a labour party aiding and abetting them in that and the conservatives‘ brexit deal undermining the relationship with northern ireland and the rest of the united kingdom. these are dangerous times but we are determined to stand up for the united kingdom. gary, channel4? no? fine. andy from five news? thanks
very much. andy bell, five news. use ajeremy corbyn very much. andy bell, five news. use a jeremy corbyn is unfit to be prime minister, but i imagine there are a lot of remainers out there who would like to hear you say, in the event ofa like to hear you say, in the event of a hung parliament, that you would in some way helpjeremy corbyn get into downing street with the promise ofan eu into downing street with the promise of an eu referendum. are you really out the idea that in those circumstances, you could putjeremy corbyn into downing street if he was offering a referendum? i am absolutely, categorically ruling out liberal democrat votes putting jeremy corbyn into number ten. let me tell you why. on so many grounds, jeremy corbyn is not fit for the job of prime minister. the biggest issue of prime minister. the biggest issue of the day, he has prevaricated and will not give a straight answer, even now if you ask him if he is remain or leave, he will not tell you how he will vote. his plans for the economy will take us back to the 19705. i believe he would be a threat to our national security. i
don‘t fancy the idea ofjeremy corbyn as prime minister. the first task of prime minister has to do is write instructions to commanders in oui’ write instructions to commanders in our submarine fleet. but most importantly, the reason why people are remain, is about values. one of the values that is so important is the values that is so important is the values that is so important is the value of equality, for recognising people can be themselves as individuals, whatever the colour of their skin and whatever god they pray to, whoever they are. jeremy corbyn‘s complete and utter failure to root out anti—semitism in his own party, it is just a total dereliction of duty when it comes to protecting that value of equality. we have a fantastic liberal democrat mp here today. she didn‘t want to leave the labour party, she was driven out of the labour party. we saw louise ellman in the same position. anybody as a party leader
in that situation should be very clearly, examining their conscience about what is happening in that party. even now, he doesn‘t do it. he dismisses the problem is even there. he is not fit to be prime minister of our united kingdom. applause. daily record. i am not a girly swot, so daily record. i am not a girly swot, so you will have to explain this. how can you be for a second referendum on europe but against a democratic mandate for a second referendum on independence? if the majority of lib dems got the majority of lib dems got the majority to stay in europe, surely the majority is to leave the uk? let
me explain howl the majority is to leave the uk? let me explain how i see the difference in those two issues? we are currently in a gridlock, a crisis, an impasse which is about the brexit issue. politics is focusing on precious little else and it needs to be resolved. we believe the best way to resolve that is to stop brexit, end the chaos and have government be able to get on with focusing on making people's lives better. that would resolve the issue, would end the chaos. whether we do that through a liberal democrat government revoking article 50, or through a vote two, which puts a specific brexit deal to the public. the snp want to take a situation which is already chaos as a result of brexit and add more chaos to the mix. we know what the independent referendum was like in 2014. we know
the uncertainty it caused for business, the impact it had onjobs and people's lives. that would be adding new, extra uncertainty and chaos, which is the last thing that scotland and the uk needs right now. that is why i will not support a second independence referendum. peter, from the guardian? you have not been clear he would support either borisjohnson or not been clear he would support either boris johnson or jeremy corbyn. could you rule out propping up corbyn. could you rule out propping up the conservative government under any other person and can you go into any other person and can you go into any more details as the situation you could perhaps prop up another government. if you don't do that, are you going to send your voters into the election not knowing what he will do? this is a general election, for millions of people to
get to decide what they want. what i am offering to the public is a liberal democrat government. in order to do that, people need to vote liberal democrat. there are seats, like the one we are standing in today, which is a seat liberal have never been in serious contention for. but now we know that chuck una has an excellent chance of being the mp here. we know that from the doorstep conversations we are having. we know that from the polls more widely and the research we have been doing. that is the chance we have for change and that is the message we are taking to the public. i don‘t think anybody, any commentators, any journalist should be saying to people that they can only have this person, or that person, borisjohnson only have this person, or that person, boris johnson orjeremy corbyn as prime minister. i want as many liberal democrat mps as possible, i want a liberal democrat government. we were set out our ma nifesto government. we were set out our manifesto in days to come. the platform of stopping brexit is absolutely clear. the liberal democrats will argue for that in a
new parliament. i hope for a position of a majority government and more liberal democrats will make it more likely we can stop brexit. then, from the independent? why is it you are willing to stand down candidates running against some independent mps, but not against labour mps who are committed, and have been for years, to a people's vote, even like canterbury, where some supporters say the risk of having a tory brexiteer stopping remainer. we are serious about stopping brexit and there are plenty in the labour party who have recognised that their party are not serious about stopping brexit and they have joined the liberal democrats as a result and they are sitting as mp5 democrats as a result and they are sitting as mps in this room today. you mention canterbury, rosie duffield, she is absolutely great. i
think she is wonderful and she will be very welcome to come and join the liberal democrats and be a liberal democrat mp. we do share many values. but she is still labour party and people in the labour party and who are standing on a manifesto that will be a manifesto delivering brexit, by putting jeremy corbyn into number ten, that is not something we can support. we have a duty to give people in the country, the opportunity to vote for candidates who are standing for parties who are unambiguously about stopping brexit. that is what we will do. claire. claire from the daily mail. we have just criticised donald trump. if you become prime minister would you refuse to deal with him and end the special relationship? if boris johnson wins the election and delivers brexit, what would lib dems's europe policy be? i would not refuse to engage
with donald trump. there is plenty of world leaders who we have significant differences with, in terms of values, in terms of human rights, in terms of their stances and we are in diplomatic relationships and it is something that must continue and it is important. i think there is a big difference between having a relationship and engaging and wheeling out the red carpet. which is what this government has done for donald trump. i do not think that was the right thing to do. because i think he stands in fundamental opposition to so many of our values, not least in terms of his comments about women, about muslims, people with disabilities and i think, as a result, a state visit with the pomp and ceremony that went along side it was absolutely the wrong thing to do. i have not giving up on stopping brexit. we have got a choice here,
the public have got a choice. people can still stop brexit, the liberal democrats will always stand for our values of internationalism, of being a key, pivotal part of the european union and being a leading voice within europe. we should remember the way in which the united kingdom has shaped europe. if you look at what the eu put forward in terms of the climate talks and the great progress that was made, ed davey, when he was climate change secretary, was instrumental in getting the european union into a strong position on that. we have played in so many issues, a leading role within europe and that is the position we should have within europe. alex, from bloomberg? thank you very much. i was wondering what your message is to leave voters and how he would bring the country together in the event of a liberal democrat government that revokes article 50? i don't think anyone is
under any illusion about the challenge that exists within our country, in terms of bringing the country, in terms of bringing the country together. i say that, not just as someone who has been living the brexit experience for the last three and a half years, but as a scot, where, for the last eight yea rs scot, where, for the last eight years in the run—up to the independence referendum, scotland has also been very significantly divided as a society. the first thing i would say, i don‘t think there is a quick and easy route to resolve that. i think anyone that pretends there is, is not being straightforward. but, ido pretends there is, is not being straightforward. but, i do think there are significant issues that led to the brexit vote. much has been written about those different motivations, but many people were unhappy with the way things have been, particularly the way in which the economy has not been working
well enough forfar too the economy has not been working well enough for far too many people and those issues need to be addressed. a liberal democrat government would be addressing those issues. i think that is the way to bring people together, with a shared vision of what future should be. paris? can you rule out putting any labour leader into number ten who says they would allow a second independence referendum in scotland? if not, how can you say you are fighting for the union? liberal democrats are absolutely clear, we are against having a second independence referendum and it is yet another reason whyjeremy corbyn should not be anywhere near number ten. because, he has made it pretty clear, he is not averse to having a second independence referendum. i know many people within the labour party have a wish that their party was different and somehow it is
going to change and there will be some great new labour hope. but, the labour party is where it is, it is in the clutches ofjeremy corbyn and the people around him. i don‘t see the people around him. i don‘t see the chance that will change significantly, even if the leadership might change the direction, is very unlikely to change. it is hypothetical you are talking about there, paris. rebecca from talk radio? what if we leave on the 31st of january, from talk radio? what if we leave on the 31st ofjanuary, are you making your party becoming the lost cause party without explaining your policies? we have not left. we are standing here, it is the 5th of november, which is after the 29th of march. it is after the 11th of april, it is after the 31st of
october and we have not left. i have to say, last thursday, my son said to say, last thursday, my son said to me, good news and bad news today. good news it is halloween and bad news, brexit. isaid, actually, brexit is not happening today, so he was very happy. and had quite a lot of sweets. we have not left yet. that gives me hope. it gives me real hope. i am that gives me hope. it gives me real hope. iam not that gives me hope. it gives me real hope. i am not going to assume we are leaving on the 31st of january. what i would say more widely is, the reason that people are remainers, the reason people want to stay in the reason people want to stay in the european union is notjust about a bureaucratic relationship about you know, the functions of different aspects of the european union. it is aspects of the european union. it is a wider symptom of their values,
about how they view the world. that is the fundamental shift that has happened in our politics. that has happened, my strong view is, that has happened and as liberal democrats, we are very, very firmly on the liberal, open, inclusive side of that political divide that is not going to go away anytime soon. i‘ve got rachel from itv? studio: that is jo got rachel from itv? studio: that isjo swinson with the liberal democrat launch. we will go tojeremy liberal democrat launch. we will go to jeremy corbyn liberal democrat launch. we will go tojeremy corbyn who is now launching the labour election campaign in harlow. applause. thank you, harlow. this is i think the third time i have been here this year. but i will be back. and i want
to say thank you for all that you do for our party and it is great to see old friends in the audience here, particularly my old friend, stan newman‘s. stan, former mp for harlow and great friend of mine and been an inspiration to many people. if you need to know the history of essex and harlow, he‘s your man. stan, thank you for everything you have done for our movement and you do to inspire us all. you are a great comrades and a great friend. applause it is fantastic to be here because this is one of the original new towns that was created by the post—war labour government. to deal with a massive housing shortage at that time. i think of those newtown pioneers, who came here and build this town and build this community, had their children, grandchildren and made this community even stronger. one of those grandchildren
of harlow, of the pioneers of harlow is our fantastic labour candidate for harlow, laura mcalpine. applause born here, grew up here, family from here. she understands harlow, she‘s got the spirit, she‘s got the energy and she is going to bring real change to harlow as your labour mp. cheering and applause because her knowledge, commitment and determination are absolutely fantastic and i am so looking forward like keir starmer, to see her walking up to the speaker‘s chair, signed the book and start speaking up for harlow. thank you, laura. you can never have too many lloris, after all, iam married laura. you can never have too many lloris, after all, i am married to one. there is another laura here and
thatis one. there is another laura here and that is laura pidcock, shadow secretary of state employment rights. brilliant representative of our party and our movement, has done so much to advance the whole agenda where we will set up a ministry of employment rights and we will do very, very differently and with her in charge, there is no chance of doing anything different, that different. thank you, laura, you are going to be brilliant. i want to say thank you to keir starmer, a shadow brexit secretary. he has done a wonderfuljob over the last three yea rs, wonderfuljob over the last three years, picking apart the tory‘s shambolic handling of brexit. the way keir force them into the meaningful vote, force them into a vote where they were found to be in a contempt of parliament and has the most amazing understanding of the details of everything they are proposing. i will give you an example of just how proposing. i will give you an example ofjust how good keir and his team are. the government‘s deal
was produced late at night and by 9am the next morning he had the whole thing totally analysed in bite side versions for all of us to fully understand, comprehend and campaign on. it is those skills we have shown in opposition, the skills laura has, keir has an so many others. imagine how good, efficient and effective they will be as ministers, bringing about real change in our society. applause and in this election, borisjohnson is trying to hijack brexit. hijacked brexit, to sell out our national health service and the working people of this country. he is trying to cash in on the votes of millions who voted to leave the eu by buying political power for himself. and then sell them out with another dose of austerity in the future. that is all thatjohnson offers. it is time to call him out. i travel all around
the country, all the time, notjust during the election campaign. i have been to almost 100 constituencies since the last election. i meet a lot of people and i listen, listen intently to a lot of people. in community centres, schools, meetings, houses, lots of places and just listen to what they have to say. people who voted leave in 2016 and people who voted to remain. i listen to them all. they all have their reasons. but i want to tell you something that i find absolutely striking. many people voted to leave tell me they were voting for change. because that is what they were promised. borisjohnson because that is what they were promised. boris johnson and because that is what they were promised. borisjohnson and the leave campaign, promised to rebuild our nhs. they promise that people would be able to take back control of their lives after years of watching their town is being run
down, underfunded, factory is gone, jobs gone. the sense of community, damaged and destroyed. high streets replaced with roller blinds shutters of closed shops. the misery of scene libraries, swimming pool is closed and sold. sports facilities unaffordable for so many young people. that is the legacy of what this government is about. three yea rs on this government is about. three years on and johnson is trying to huack years on and johnson is trying to hijack that hope for change. he wa nts to hijack that hope for change. he wants to use it for his very different ways. his different ends. he stood in front of a bus in 2016 and promised £350 million a week for the nhs. now, we find out that 500 million a week could be taken out of the nhs and handed two big drugs companies, under his plans for a sell—out trade deal with donald trump and the usa. just look at how
those corporations operate in the united states. they are absolutely ruthless. they will suck as much money as they can out of our nhs, while cancer patients wait longer for treatment. we now know that us and uk officials have been discussing drug pricing in secret. and the us government is demanding, what officials gently call, full market access for us products. senior national health service managers have said that would mean higher prices for medicines, which will pass on costs to both patients and the nhs. so here we have it. johnson can deny it all he likes, but people simply will not believe him. the tories know that, which is why, behind—the—scenes, the conservatives have tried to suppress
the news. attacking the bbc for reporting what we and health professionals a re reporting what we and health professionals are saying. that is why you don‘t, they don‘t want you to hear a vote forjohnson‘s conservatives is a vote to betray our nhs in a sell—out to trump. johnson‘s trump deal brexit puts a price tag on our national health service. so we will say it again and again until the message gets through to the white house. our nhs is not for sale! cheering and applause not for sale. not for sale. i hear you. shout it loud and shout it
clear on the doorsteps, make sure they all hear it. the threat to our nhs is not a mistake. it is not happening by accident. the threat is there because borisjohnson‘s conservatives want to hijack brexit, sell out the nhs and sell out working people by stripping away their rights. for many in the tory party, this is what brexit has a lwa ys party, this is what brexit has always been about. reversing the hard—fought always been about. reversing the hard —fought gains always been about. reversing the hard—fought gains one by working class people over generations. given the chance, they will run down our rights at work, our entitlements to holidays, breaks and leave. given the chance, they will slash food standards to match those of the united states. where, what are called, acceptable levels of raptors in paprika and maggots in orange juice are allowed. and they will put chlorinated chicken on the
supermarket shelves. and given the chance they will water down the rules on air pollution and our environment that keep us safe. they wa nt environment that keep us safe. they want a race to the bottom in standards and protections. they want to move us towards a more deregulated american model. of how to run the economy. in the us, a keir pointed out, workersjust get ten days holiday a year. big business gets a free rein to call the shots and tens of millions of working—class americans are denied any health health care at all. what boris johnson‘s any health health care at all. what borisjohnson‘s conservatives want is to hijack brexit, unleash thatcherism on steroids on our society. the thatcher government‘s attack on the working people of our country attack on the working people of our cou ntry left scars attack on the working people of our country left scars that have never healed and communities all over this
country, that have never recovered. i was country, that have never recovered. iwas in country, that have never recovered. i was in laura‘s constituency last year, steelworks, gone. factories, gone. shops closed, the whole area suffering from years of government neglect because of what thatcher and her government did in the 19805. our job is to reverse that for all parts of britain. cheering and applause north, south, east, west, scotland, wales, all over. the conservatives know they cannot win support for what they are planning to do. they are planning to do it in the name of thatcherism, so they are trying to do it under the banner of brexit instead. i make no apologies, no apologies at all for labour‘s role in stopping the disaster of no deal and resisting johnson‘s sell—out deal. i make no apologies for
delaying things in order to make sure that no deal was taken off the table before we hit the streets in our election campaign. applause we made that decision exactly 168 hours ago at this moment. never let them tell you that labour has turned its back on the people we represent. the tories have failed on brexit for three years. a labour government will get brexit sorted within six months. by giving you, the british people the final say. and despite, what some commentators want you to believe, labour‘s plan for brexit is clear and simple. it is time to take a decision out of the hands of politicians and trust the people to decide. it won‘t be a rerun of 2016,
this time the choice will be between leaving with a sensible deal or remaining in the eu. that is the policy. it really isn‘t very complicated. so, an incoming labour government will first secure a sensible deal. that will take no longer than three months. the deal will be based on terms we have already discussed with the eu, including a new customs union, a close, single market relationship and an absolute guarantee of rights and an absolute guarantee of rights and protections. it is a deal that will protect manufacturing industry in this country and respect the precious good friday peace agreement in northern ireland, which was one of the great achievements of the labour party. applause and then we will put that deal to a
public vote. so, if you want to leave the eu without trashing our economy or selling out of our nhs, you will be able to vote for it. if you will be able to vote for it. if you want to remain in the eu, you will be able to vote for that. either way, only a labour government will put the final decision in your hands. because, this has involved the whole country from the start. it cannot now be left to politicians. to finally get this sorted and move forward , to finally get this sorted and move forward, we need the people to sign on the dotted line. and we will immediately carry out your decision, so britain can get beyond brexit. borisjohnson so britain can get beyond brexit. boris johnson stakes his so britain can get beyond brexit. borisjohnson stakes his reputation on leaving the eu on the 31st of october. do or die, ditches were mentioned, many things were mentioned, many things were
mentioned and lots of churchillian language was used, no ifs, or buts, he said. so, the failure to do so, i am sorry, can only be his. boris johnson‘s failure. the irony is, for all his boasting, johnson‘s sell—out deal still will not get brexit done, it will lead to years of continuing negotiations and uncertainty. whereas labour‘s plan will sort it quickly, because whatever the final decision, we won‘t be ripping up our main trading relationship. the eu negotiator, michel barnier has said the eu deal and johnson‘s term it would take three years, maybe more further negotiations. johnson‘s sell—out deal with trump could take even longer. imagine the time it would take to fill all those pork barrels in the us senate and other places. just think about it. a vote
for conservatives is a vote for yet more drawn out, bogged down negotiations, more broken promises and more distractions from the vital issues facing us that keir and laura have spoken about. like making sure people have a habitable sustainable planet for our children and grandchildren. a green light for boris johnson‘s sell—out trump deal would be the start of years more brexit chaos and division. people sometimes accuse me of trying to talk to both sides at once on the brexit debate. to people who voted labour and people who voted women. do you know what? they are dead
right. —— voted remain. why would i wa nt to right. —— voted remain. why would i want to talk to have the country? anyone seeking to become prime minister must talk to and listen to the whole country. labour stands not just for the 52% of the 48% but for the 99%. we bring people together. it is labour that is determined to bring our divided country together. you cannot do that if your whole political strategy is to turn one side of the brexit to bet against the other. the tories are offering an extreme and damaging form of brexit by the liberal democrats want to ignore the result of the referendum and revoke article 50. the brexit crisis needs to be resolved but it must be done
democratically. walk down any street in britain and you will find people who voted to leave and people who voted to remain. whatever our differences on this one issue at the end of the day we have so much else in common. i would like to put it like this. if you are living here in harlow angie voted to leave, you‘ve got bills to pay, you‘ve got rising debt, your work may be insecure, your wages and sufficient and you can barely stretch the money to meet the needs of you and your family. you are up against it. if you are living in york, for example, it‘s more likely voted run—in. you‘ve got bills to pay, you‘ve got rising debts, your work is insecure and your wages barely stretch to meet your wages barely stretch to meet your family‘s needs. you your wages barely stretch to meet yourfamily‘s needs. you are your wages barely stretch to meet your family‘s needs. you are up against it. but between a leave
filter in harlow and remain voter in the art you are not each other. labour‘s plan will get brexit sorted soa labour‘s plan will get brexit sorted so a labour government can get on with delivering the real change that britain needs, so we can get on with rebuilding our nhs and making prescriptions free and bringing in generic medicines, improving our nhs, and we can get on with solving the housing crisis by building a million new homes and controlling vents in the private rented sector. —— controlling rents. get on with bringing nail, rail and —— controlling rents. get on with bringing nail, railand water —— controlling rents. get on with bringing nail, rail and water in the energy grid into public ownership.
ending the great corporate rip—off of consumers. get on with creating the hundreds of thousands of good jobs in every community through the green, industrial revolution. get on with giving britain a pay rise. let‘s get brexit sorted within six months and build a fairer country that truly cares for all. where wealth and power are shared for the many not the few. this election is a once ina many not the few. this election is a once in a generation chance. the future is ours to make together. it's future is ours to make together. it‘s time for real change. thank you.
and now one laura is back. thank you. brilliant speech as usual. we are going to take a few questions from the media. if we can be as respectful as possible that would be great. we will take them in threes. first can we have the bbc norman smith. thank you. you had some fun at boris johnson‘s do smith. thank you. you had some fun at borisjohnson‘s do or die deadline but i want to ask about your deadline which is to get brexit done by jane the 13th your deadline which is to get brexit done byjane the 13th next your deadline which is to get brexit done by jane the 13th next year. your deadline which is to get brexit done byjane the 13th next year. is
that a fixed deadline, do or die deadline for you, or could brexit go beyond then if negotiations prove difficult and of getting legislation through the commons also proves difficult and can you confirm giving you are going to negotiate a deal which keeps us in the customs union with close single market alignment that freedom of movement will remain under a labour government? next, itv. president trump has denied the nhs is on the table and any future trade talks. the government has categorically ruled that out. this is just categorically ruled that out. this isjust a guess categorically ruled that out. this is just a guess full—scale story for you, isn‘t it? and how is your six month getting brexit sorted deadline remotely realistic when to organise the last referendum together? and
sky. keir starmer said on the first day of the labour government he would wrap up borisjohnson‘s deal. are you seeking to fully open the route withdrawal agreement or you can achieve what you are aiming for? will you accept sky‘s invitation to hold the tv debate with boris johnson and jo swinson? thank you for your questions. first, norman. the deadline is a realistic one. kier and i have spent many hours in brussels and other european capitals going through that process with
governments, officials and fellow socialist parties across europe. we would not be saying that if we did not believe it to be realistic and doable therefore we say clearly that in three months we will negotiate an agreement and at the same time able to parallel legislation in parliament in order to ensure a referendum can be held within six months. we have a lot of experience in parliament and with legislation and we would not be saying this if we did not believe it to be doable and possible and that is exactly what we are going to be doing in these negotiations. kier has a season ticket on eurostar! it‘s fine. the cost will be minimal. we will absolutely get on with that. romilly, the only problem is with your question that you will be aware
that president trump himself said the nhs has to be included. us ambassador said it had be included. and if it is not the case then why did the prime minister and the health secretary instructed officials to hold six meetings? he has only been in office 100 days. six meetings with american drug companies to talk about how we are going to relate to american drug companies in the future. u nfortu nately i companies in the future. unfortunately i believe the danger is very real indeed. that boris johnson translation: treaty with the usa will result in a demand by american companies to what they term the british health market. last time i looked it was the national health service. the service is the point.
when kier says that people wrap up -- rip when kier says that people wrap up —— rip up the deal on the first day, it isa —— rip up the deal on the first day, it is a big document, but he is fit. he plays football. and he is an arsenal supporter. what more could you want? i want to say this about european union nationals who made their homes in this country. they have made an incredible contribution to our lives, our community and our society. they have developed relationships, children have been born for people who come from germany, france, romania, the czech republic, wherever, and those
children are children of parents from both parts of europe, and i wa nt to from both parts of europe, and i want to be clear that they gave him absolute guarantee of rights to remain, of citizenship and of being pa rt remain, of citizenship and of being part of our society, and straight after the 2016 referendum, on behalf of the labour party, there was a motion put to parliament signed by me and by andy burnham who was the shadow home secretary guaranteeing eu nationals rights in britain and to travel and remain in britain. we put that to parliament straightaway. the tories did not vote against it. bizarrely boris johnson the tories did not vote against it. bizarrely borisjohnson voted for it. i asked bizarrely borisjohnson voted for it. iasked him bizarrely borisjohnson voted for it. i asked him why. bizarrely borisjohnson voted for it. iasked him why. he bizarrely borisjohnson voted for it. i asked him why. he said bizarrely borisjohnson voted for it. iasked him why. he said i bizarrely borisjohnson voted for it. i asked him why. he said i don‘t really know. that was in the division lobby. in his defence he wasn‘t prime minister at the time.
we are very clear that we can negotiate this agreement and we can get on with all the other issues that both lauras have spoke about this morning. i don‘t want young people growing up thinking is they‘re going to be a health service? will i get a house? can i get a job? am i going to be loaded with debt because i went to uni? are we going to have a society that is there for many? i want a caring society that cares for all. that is what this election campaign is about. next, channel 4 news.
next, channel4 news. i'm over here! hello. he once said that boris johnson‘s 350,000 sign on a bus was downright dishonest. you havejust said 500 million p could be taken out of the nhs and handed to big drugs companies. that comes from a report based on a veterinary medicine in the uk cost the same as in the us after a trade deal. the report said the crude estimates are not precise analysis. are you not misleading voters with your £500 million? and next, cnn. the president is clearly no big fan of yours and that the stage of the campaign it is pretty clear the all
keep meaning... why do you believe it is politically advantageous? next, the guardian. you have made very clear you are not going to stay ahead of the 12th of december how you might campaign in that referendum people have byjune. some members have made clear they will campaign on one side or the other. will you be happy for your ministers to campaign on either side of that referendum when it comes? paul, thank you for your question. have a figure of 500 million comes from analysis of the world health organization of drug prices up when you have the discussions that have
taken place with us drug companies andi taken place with us drug companies and i believe it to be an accurate and i believe it to be an accurate and credible cycle otherwise i would not be quoting it. i am happy for anyone else to analyse it and tell me if! anyone else to analyse it and tell me if i have understated the case and it is worse than that. phil, borisjohnson spends an awful lot of time in the company of president trump and has often quoted him and they coat each other and president trump had some comments to make about boris johnson president trump had some comments to make about borisjohnson and made some rather unkind comments about me i thought but i can take it. his whole approach is one of a trade deal with the usa. liam fox said it
would be the easiest thing ever in history. he did one with the faroe isles. no disrespect but it is hardly a major trading partnerfor a country of 65 million people. the whole direction of travel of this government has always been that they wa nt to government has always been that they want to do this trade deal with the usa knowing full well that when the usa knowing full well that when the us does trade agreements with any country they demand alignment, investor protection, full market access and you will see the price of it. you will see the price on the nhs and public services and you will see the price of it on the pressures of our economy and the rights of people that work for those companies, for holidays and everything we have worked for in trade unions. we are right to analyse the sun pointed out in this
election campaign. you will get a trade deal with the usa and all the implications that go with it. heather, our policy has been arrived at bya heather, our policy has been arrived at by a lot of debate and discussion. one thing the labour party is good at is debate. we are a party of half a million members. we have experts in every conceivable field. people who deliver the care, people who work in factories. and my strategy throughout has been to try and bring people together to understand why people voted different stated in that referendum but above all bring people together and have a conference in september and have a conference in september and brighton came together and
agreed that possession. we agreed that we would campaign in this election on the basis of six months to put it to a referendum and that was give us the time space and opportunity to get on with all the other transformative things we have to do working with people across the world on the green industrial revolution tackling climate change and the emergency that faces this planet and i am determined to do that. other spokespeople are out there giving the message throughout this campaign. i have said at the conclusion of those three months we we re conclusion of those three months we were told a special conference of labour party in a democratic way, our half a million and affiliated trade union members, and we will come to love you as a party and we will give that view to the people of this country. i want this to be a
serious informed debate during that referendum campaign with very strict spending limits on both sides and that campaign and then the people will come to their decision and the labour government will carry out that decision. we will carry it out and go forward from there. because we have to come together on this. when one party says they are only interested in supporters of those who want leave and the other support from remain they fail to understand the commonality of our problems on housing, health, environment, and all the rest of it, and that is how we‘re going go forward. all the rest of it, and that is how we're going go forward. and the mirror. nigel farage has said he is
essentially going to target labour mps in revolting seats in the selection. his argument is many notches the conservative party but the labour party and you as out of touch with their concerns. —— leave voting seats. i would going to assure those voters that you are listening? and the independent. if the general election returns a hung parliament were to be able to accept revoking article 50 is the price of a coalition with the liberal democrats or would you want that out? and the financialtimes. let's assume that you have become prime minister and you are halting your second referendum.
—— are holding. let‘s assume there isa —— are holding. let‘s assume there is a small margin, would you confirm that as the result? nigel farage is a one trick pony from away two very wealthy organisation. he is seeing all kinds of things. he is not offering to defend the nhs in those places. she has four main supporting privatisation of our nhs. he has not offering housing, socialjustice, reducing inequality in this country are meeting the needs of people who depend on food banks to survive. he
doesn‘t actually offer anything to any of those communities. our message, our manifesto, is about investing all parts of this country. a national investment bank that will cover every region of britain as well as the nations that make up the uk. that will invest in the infrastructure we need as well as the investment in housing, health and education. a labour government will improve your community, improve your living standards, will be totally intolerant of the wealth inequality that exists in britain. and we will bring about their pets a fairer society where there is real hope for everybody particularly for
the next generation. about a hung parliament, all i can say is we are campaigning to when a selection —— win this election, not to form a coalition with anybody. we are campaigning to go into office to carry out our manifesto and that is what we are going to be doing for the next five weeks, taking that message out there of what a labour government ability. the last question, i made it clear that we wa nt question, i made it clear that we want the whole debate to be over. therefore we have set out our stall, our programme, the requirements that we have put in a referendum within six months and that will be the decision that is made and i hope there will be an informed debate with high turnout and i look forward to leading a labour government that
will carry out that decision because i want to lead a labour government that will bring about real change in our society but also be a voice on the world stage for environmental justice, peace, human rights. iwant to lead the labour government that all of our communities will benefit from and all of our people can be proud of and see that we are determined to end inequality and injustice in our society because thatis injustice in our society because that is the kind of world we want 11 where we do not pass by on the other side of poverty and injustice. thank you very much. this is the end of the start of the meeting. can i say thank you to laura for chairing the questions and for the work she is doing as a candidate? you are going to be very proud of her. very proud of her as your
to be very proud of her. very proud of heras yourmp to be very proud of her. very proud of her as your mp and in this election no matter how bad the weather winter comes and christmas but then spring with a labour government. that was jeremy corbyn launching labour‘s election campaign in harlow. saying if labour were to win the election resolve the issue of brexit in six months. he said an incoming labour government would secure a sensible deal that will ta ke secure a sensible deal that will take no longer than three months because it would be based on time already discussed with the eu including a new customs union and protections for eu workers.
or the lbc radio talking about what happened with the state put policy at grenfell when victims were told to stay in the tower block as it was burning. he said i think if either of us were in a fire whatever the fire brigade said we would leave the burning building. it seems the common sense thing to do and it is such a tragedy that that happened. that has led to an outcry and demands for an apology what job that has led to an outcry and demands for an apology whatjob at which he has given. i meant to say i would have listened to the advice however with what we now know with hindsight i wouldn‘t and i don‘t think anyone else would. i would hate to upset the people of grenfell ifi hate to upset the people of grenfell if i was unclear. it's it‘s going to stay unsettled. we
still have outbreaks of rain and showers across parts of england and wales. we have this weather front which is moving southward. low pressure slipping away which means towards northern and western areas it is drier and brighter. some sunshine across scotland and northern ireland and eventually in the south—west. the rain is moving further south understood. quite chilly across northern areas. elsewhere temperature staying in double figures. if you‘re heading out for fireworks this evening there will be a few showers in central and eastern areas but it will turn quite chilly and there will be clearing skies across england and wales. showers moving into the south—east. fog patches developing into wednesday morning and there could be some frost in northern parts. southern and eastern areas stay end drier and bright on wednesday but in the west more rain.
launch their election campaign , jo swinson promises a "remain bonus" of 50 billion pounds over five years if brexit is stopped. i never thought i would stand here and say that i‘m a candidate to be prime minister. but when i look at borisjohnson and jeremy corbyn, i am absolutely certain i can do a betterjob than either of them. cheering and applause jeremy corbyn accuses the prime minister of trying to "hijack brexit" to "sell out" the nhs and insists labour has a clear plan. a labour government will get brexit sorted within six months, by giving you, the british people the final say. the conservatives dismiss labour‘s pledge as "fairy tale politics" and insist they are the party to deliver brexit. we have achieved something that
people really thought we couldn‘t do and that was get a new deal and agree that new deal on our brexit from the european union. conservative politician jacob rees—mogg has apologised for suggesting grenfell victims should have used "common sense" and ignored fire service guidance not to leave the burning tower block. diy tests could be as effective at identifying women at high risk of cervical cancer as traditional smear tests, according to new research. chelsea and liverpool are in champions league action tonight. wins for both could take them to the brink of qualifying for the knockout stages. and we get exclusive access behind the scenes during filming of the new series of the crown. but yes, sorry we are whispering because they are actually shooting. then they will sack us. yes, i think we're going be sacked.
good afternoon. welcome to bbc newsroom live. iamjoanna i am joanna gosling. well it‘s been a busy start to the day for the main political parties on the campaign trail. with a big focus on brexit ahead of the general election on the 12th of december. the liberal democrats have launched their election campaign, promising a "brighter future" and saying there would be a £50 billion "remain bonus" over five years for public services if brexit is stopped, because of predicted higher economic growth. jeremy corbyn has set out labour‘s plans to get brexit sorted within six months, claiming that the boris johnson‘s conservatives want to "hijack brexit in order to unleash thatcherism on steroids". and this morning the prime minister chaired his final cabinet meeting before parliament dissolves later today. in the last hour the liberal democrats held their launch. leaderjo swinson said ‘change is possible‘ and that
hers was the only party that could stop brexit. some people will ask, what‘s happened to the liberal democrats, why are they being so ambitious all of a sudden? laughter. we are being ambitious because we can be. and because we have to be. politics is in a state of flux. the fault line is no longer about left versus right. it‘s about values. whether we are open or closed, liberal, authoritarian. we all know this. the only uncertainty is what will emerge. whether, as the two big, old tired parties hope that things will go back to business as usual. or, whether this is a look at more seismic change. whether a new and different
politics can emerge. millions of voters have that choice in their hands at the selection. don‘t let anyone tell you what has to happen. change is possible and you get to choose. our chief political correspondent vicki young is at the lib dem‘s campaign launch in westminsterfor us. the lib dems have got 20 mp5 and jo swinson is campaigning to be the next prime minister. there has been criticism about the way they have been doing that, what has come out about the campaign launch this morning? i think every single general election, this is always a challenge for the liberal democrats. they are not even the third largest party in the united kingdom because
the snp have more seats than them and that 20 includes lots of mps who have defected from other parties. the last election, they didn‘t even win that many. there is an issue about her saying she wants to be prime minister, how credible is it? she cites canada, where one party was almost completely wiped out and she cites the snp church in 2015. she lost her seat in that, but the snp winning almost every seat in scotland. she said politics is volatile, things are in flux and things have changed because a brexit and people are voting for different reasons. she said there is no reason why something like that couldn‘t happen. it is still an issue and most people are still looking at a much smaller number of seats. the liberal democrats are targeting more than before but they hope to gain seats in london particularly, but other areas, the south—west and areas they previously held. the question people are asking also, if
you have more liberal democrat mps, what influence can they have? are backgrounds, she is slightly stronger. if you look at the last few years, hung parliament, things are very few years, hung parliament, things are very uncertain and every vote has counted in some very, very tight brexit votes. the influence totally depends on the result of the general election. where there to be a hung parliament, would she work with either labour or the tories? from what she is saying, it doesn‘t sound like it? the party has ruled out a formal coalition with eitherjeremy corbyn or boris johnson. formal coalition with eitherjeremy corbyn or borisjohnson. it sounds as if we are back to where we were before the election was called. you will rememberjo swinson said very clearly, she was not prepared to do anything which would allowjeremy corbyn to become prime minister. she was calling for a unity government with a different leader in charge. it sounds like she would still be
unwilling to do anything that would allowjeremy corbyn to be prime minister. privately, the liberal democrats say when they go round canvassing, on the doorstep, the people they are talking to do not wa nt people they are talking to do not wantjeremy people they are talking to do not want jeremy corbyn to people they are talking to do not wantjeremy corbyn to be prime minister. that is the reason she is being strong about that, but also say she would not prop up boris johnson either. you can still vote with the party and not be in a formal coalition with them. that is still open to some interpretation, but for now, she is saying there is no reason why the party can‘t be an incredibly ambitious. the problem has been for the liberal democrats, the way their votes are distributed around the country, it is harder for them to win seats. in 2010 they got 7 million votes, but got fewer than 60 seats, so it is always a huge challenge for them. thank you very much, vicky. mr cobyn has also laid out labour‘s future plans including how his party aims to get brexit done in the next six months.
never let them tell you that labour has turned its back on the people we represent. the tories have failed on brexit for three years. the labour government will get brexit sorted within six months, by giving you, the british people, the final say. and despite what some commentators want you to believe, labour‘s plan for brexit is clear and simple. it‘s time to take the decision out of the hands of politicians and trust the people to decide. it won‘t be a rerun of 2016. this time, the choice will be between leaving with a sensible deal, or remaining in the eu. that is the policy. it really isn‘t very complicated. our assistant political
editor norman smith let‘s crack on with all things brexit, i am joined let‘s crack on with all things brexit, iamjoined by let‘s crack on with all things brexit, i am joined by the shadow brexit, i am joined by the shadow brexit secretary, sir keir starmer. you are going to get brexit done in six months? yes. what happens if this goes more tricky, more complicated, and it goes beyond that? let me tell you i am confident we won't need to, we have been discussing the basic terms of the deal for a long time with brussels and eu political leaders. we know the parameters and we know what is possible and we have had those discussions. in the cross—party talks, at one point, both parties jointly as the eu how long it would ta ke jointly as the eu how long it would take to make those changes? and the answer came back as four to six weeks. i answer came back as four to six weeks. lam answer came back as four to six weeks. i am confident we can, not only get the deal we have described, but get it very rapidly. if you had to get that deal to the commons, he
would be facing better, entrenched opposition from brexiteers. last time it took a year to get the legislation through? the legislation, i think, legislation through? the legislation, ithink, can legislation through? the legislation, i think, can go through pretty quickly. we can start it straightaway. we won't wait while we get the deal, we will start straightaway. we are in the course of access talks with civil servants about how that will happen. i am confident we can get the deal swiftly and keep to the six—month deadline for the referendum. the reason is, people want to break the impasse and move on and the sooner we can do that the better.“ impasse and move on and the sooner we can do that the better. if it ta kes we can do that the better. if it takes longer than six months, you will go longer than six months?” takes longer than six months, you will go longer than six months? i am confident we can do it within the window we have set, which is six months. people want to move on from this and they want to see a government that is tackling the wider issues that are of such concern to them. you want to negotiate a deal which ensures continued membership of the customs
union and that necessarily means continuation of freedom of movement, yes? freedom of movement will be pa rt of yes? freedom of movement will be part of the negotiation. i have been saying that for two years. is that yes, of movement will remain under labour deal? it will have to be part of the negotiations under that deal andl of the negotiations under that deal and i have had discussions with individuals in brussels as to what that means. we need to recognise our economy depends on people coming from other countries and whether thatis from other countries and whether that is in the business sector, the health sector and public services. what we won't be doing is going down the road of arbitrary targets that have no meaning and always missed. why would another referendum bring the country together as jeremy corbyn says? surely the only outcome would be further rancour, bitterness and division? i don't think so. in the end, people are so fed up with this division, they want a way out, they want a process to end this. we have been struck for three and a
half years. it was that parliament could fix this and find a way forward , could fix this and find a way forward, but that hasn't happened. we have to look at a different process, referendum and a different issue, this is the deal that have been negotiated, do you want to leave on those terms? if so, we leave on those terms? if so, we leave on those terms. or do you to remain? if you voted to leave, there was an obvious next question, in which case, what sort of relationship do you want with the eu? that was never answered. is it a cce pta ble eu? that was never answered. is it acceptable not to be candid with the electorate whether in the circumstances he would vote for the labour deal or vote to remain? the position we have adopted is, as it were, we are taking the decision away from politicians and putting it to the public. what matters is those options are going up for the public to decide, do you want to steal or do you want to remain? sir keir starmer, thank you very much and i am sure we will hear much, much more about brexit during the selection.
thank you, norman we will be doing some number crunching in a minute. more on today‘s main stories coming up on newsroom live here on the bbc news channel, but now we say goodbye to viewers on bbc two. well the prime minister has held his final cabinet meeting ahead of parliament being dissolved later today. borisjohnson told his cabinet that they had achieved something people didn‘t think could be done. i think we were all very much wanting to get on with delivering for our country and the fantastic things we have been doing over the last 100 days and slightly more. i think this government, in its short period in office can be very proud of what we have done, putting £14 billion more into education, levelling up education funding across the country are putting 20,000 more police on to the streets of our country and already we are recruiting them. thanks to the decisions of this government has made, there will be 14 new hospitals
in the next ten years. we are levelling up across the country with infrastructure, education and new technology. we have achieved something that people thought we really couldn‘t do. that was get a new deal and a great new deal on a brexit from the european union. borisjohnson earlier. so the lib dems say they‘d have a remain bonus to spend on public services if they win and keep the uk in the eu. but do their numbers stack up? our reality check correspondent chris morris has been taking a look. 50 billion overfive 50 billion over five years, 50 billion overfive years, is 50 billion over five years, is that right? health warning to begin with, it is an economic forecast and i think we know from the last four yea rs we have think we know from the last four years we have to take forecasts with a pinch of salt. the 50 billion over five years, so 10 billion a year over the next five years. most
independent economists do say the economy will be larger if the uk we re economy will be larger if the uk were to remain in the eu. the liberal democrats say they believe economy would be 1.9% bigger in 24, 25. we spoke to the institute for fiscal studies and they said they thought it was a reasonable figure. that doesn‘t take account of other things, like other unexpected events in the world economy. the other thing to bear in mind, it could be 10 billion a year more to spend. overall, public spending now in the uk is more than 800 billion. an extra ten billion sounds like a lot. it would only be just over 1% of public spending. not a revolutionary change. in terms of numbers we have
heard from jeremy corbyn and he was making a lot of what might happen to the nhs, whether to be opposed brexit trade deal with the united states ? brexit trade deal with the united states? this is a number! brexit trade deal with the united states? this is a number i think we are going to hear a lot during this campaign. labour saying that after a opposed brexit deal with the us, the nhs would have to spend £500 million a week more than it does now on medicines. this comes from a report by three academics, who say this is a crude estimate. what they have done is said, if the prices of all drugs in the uk with the same of all those same drugs in the us, then you could get to this figure. at the moment, per person, spending on medicines in the us is about 2.5 times higher than the uk. the nhs in england spends about £18 billion a year on medicines. multiply that by
2.5 and the difference, an extra 27 billion, just over £500 million a week. that would be an extremely odd outcome if all drugs were suddenly the exact same prices as they are in the exact same prices as they are in the us. that would be taken essentially as your theoretical worst case scenario, pretty unlikely to happen. what we do know and where labour is correct, us pharmaceutical companies want greater access to the british market. they are under pressure from president trump to reduce prices in the united states. if they are going to do that but still maintain their profits, they are going to want greater market access elsewhere and increase places like the united kingdom. the government says, we are not going to put the nhs on the table in the trade talks. if they don‘t, then it means in those trade talks, other things we want from the americans, access for our companies to their market, would be more difficult to
achieve. we are going to hear a lot of numbers surrounding brexit and the health service during this election campaign, from all parties. we will be keeping an eye on them. this 500 million figure, labour will be using it a lot, but it has been described in the report it is based on, asa described in the report it is based on, as a crude estimate. the reason you are crunching these numbers, amongst other things, that £350 million figure on the side of the buses relating to the nhs during the referendum campaign, they can become quite totemic? they can, and during the referendum it did because the vote leave campaign make sure that bus was in the background of almost every television shot. it stuck with people and that is the thing about totemic numbers, they do tend to stick in people‘s mines. research says you can take it down with well argued explanations, but people still remember the original number. we will hear a lot from labour, this
could cost £500 million a week more for the nhs medicines, but as i say, it isa for the nhs medicines, but as i say, it is a very theoretical number and for those who want to keep prices down in the nhs, it is the worst case scenario you can imagine. thank you very much, chris. jacob rees—mogg has said he is "profoundly" sorry after he suggested the victims of the grenfell tower fire lacked "common sense" by not leaving the building, despite being told to do so by the fire brigade. he made the initial comments on lbc yesterday. the more one has read over the weekend about the report and the chances of people surviving, if you just ignore what you are told and leave, you are so much safer and i think if either of us were in a fire, whatever the fire brigade said, we would leave the burning building. itjust seems common sense thing to do. this morning when mr rees—mogg was leaving a cabinet meeting, itv‘s paul brand questioned him on the matter, and he denied saying residents lacked common sense.
do you really think grenfell residents lacked common sense? that is not what i said. do you regret your comments? that is not what i said. let‘s go to westminster and speak to our home affairs correspondent tom symonds. what exactly has been said in terms of the apology from him this morning? you can see there, i didn't say what everybody or some people think i said. in the apology, which was released in a statement from his office, what i meant to say was i would also have listened to the fire brigade‘s advised to stay put and wait at the time. but with what we know and with hindsight, i wouldn‘t andi know and with hindsight, i wouldn‘t and i don‘t think anybody else would. so if you go back to the original comment, it does look as though that comment can be read in different ways. you can read it as, having seen the report it doesn‘t seem like common sense to stay in the building. you can read it as people who didn‘t leave the building
during the fire, lacked common sense. which i think that is where his interview has left him unstuck. what can‘t be argued with is the response from those involved in the g re nfell response from those involved in the grenfell fire, grenfell united, said it showed the absolute disregard for those who have suffered in this tragedy and they said that after having seen his apology. thank you, tom. bristol could become the first city in the uk to ban diesel vehicles from the centre, in a bid to cut pollution. the council is deciding today whether to approve the clean air plan, which would also include a congestion charge. katie nield is a lawyer, for the environmental campaign group clientearth. why bristol? bristol is one of the cities across the uk suffering from illegal levels of pollution for almost ten years. what that means in
bristol, it is an estimated 300 people in the year in the city, died prematurely because of the impact of air pollution. it affects the most vulnerable the hardest, so that is young people, older people and those on low incomes. so today the council will vote on banning diesel vehicles from a small part of the city centre and if commercial diesel vehicles go into a wider area, they will have to pay for it, private cars wouldn‘t have to pay. how much of a step forward would that be if it goes ahead? it is good to see the council is finally responding to what is a public health crisis. it is good to see this is a step definitely in the right direction. what we are concerned about is it doesn‘t go quite far enough. the council‘s proposal stop short of tackling the emergency of what is needed. what would you like to see happen? the proposals and the numbers the council has published shows the measures on the table at the moment will only deliver legal compliance
with legal pollution limits by 2025. so, that is basically saying people are bristol, you have to wait another six years and be breathing illegally polluted air the meantime. that simply isn‘t quick enough and it isn‘t quick enough according to the legal requirements, but it‘s not quick enough according to what the people of bristol deserve. thank you very much. a diy home you‘re in or swab test could potentially help more women discover whether they are at risk of cervical cancer according to researchers. the new method could be used as an alternative to the smear test and would not require a visit to the doctor. well, one of the scientists who developed the alternative test is dr belinda nedjay. shejoins me from our studio in glasgow.
we are testing the sample and women are invited to give a you‘re in sample and retest the changes in this. how far off this being rolled out are we? we would reach out to women who would not attend a normal screening programme because they find it too painful, too difficult in the first instance. if the nhs is happy with this, it could be rolled out in the first year to reach out to these women. then for the whole public, it may be in five years, because three to five years exactly, because three to five years exactly, because we need to test this in 10,000 women throughout the country and do the necessary checks to be rolled out in the nhs. so when you
say about doing the necessary checks, it sounds like it is not quite there in terms of how certain you are about the efficiency, is that fair to say? tell us how you know about how effective it is? that fair to say? tell us how you know about how effective it is7m is very efficient, it is detecting 96% of women who have a high grade lesion or a pre—cancer lesion. it is very efficient. but because it is to replace another test, we need to do this in 10,000 women. this is the only thing i wanted to say, it is very efficient and we are very excited about it. interesting and it sounds like a good breakthrough, we will see what happens to it, thank you very much for talking to us. 0k. a scheme designed to help people aged under 40 get on the housing ladder in england has
failed to result in a single home being built. the national audit office said £174—million had been spent on buying land for the starter homes project. it was a pledge that was made but never legislated for however some houses were built, so tell us how you see this? this was an initiative designed to help the under 405 by homes at 80% of market rate. in terms of those homes, none of those have been delivered. so some land has been bought, quite a great deal of money has been spent and the objective of this scheme has not been achieved. i think the bigger point is, in any event, this scheme is not going to tackle our housing crisis. 80% of market rent to buy is simply not affordable to people living in private rented accommodation, who are the people who desperately need a home.
actually, two thirds of people living in private renting have no savings. the idea they can buy a home at 80% of market rent is a bit of the market anyway. what we think is, the government needs to stop churning out these glossy products that appeal to people who think they offer a chance of home ownership, when actually they don‘t. and instead, they need to focus on tackling the real crisis, which is the shortage of genuinely affordable social housing. the plan to create 200,000 homes resulted in no homes being built. it was committed to in the 2015 conservative party ma nifesto, the 2015 conservative party manifesto, it wasn‘t in their ma nifesto manifesto, it wasn‘t in their manifesto in 2017, but how do you explain what has happened? in order for it to actually happen, some legislation needed to be passed, that was not passed. when i say it wasn‘t passed, i don‘t mean it was
voted down... itjust didn't happen? it just voted down... itjust didn't happen? itjust didn‘t voted down... itjust didn't happen? it just didn‘t happen. voted down... itjust didn't happen? itjust didn‘t happen. the land was bought, because that didn‘t require any further legislation, but it wasn‘t used to build these homes, which were meant to be, as i said, 80% of market rent for under 405 to buy. the real scandal actually isn‘t that these homes were not built, because they were not going to do a lot of good anyway, the scandal is this money has been spent doing something that in terms of our housing crisis is pointless. how do you make sure this sort of thing doesn‘t happen again? parties make ma nifesto doesn‘t happen again? parties make manifesto promises, money were spent in this case, but didn‘t achieve what was the intended outcome and obviously it wasn‘t anywhere near the amount of outcome that was initially pledged. good question, especially in the run—up to a general election and the parties are promising all kinds of things, aren‘t they? what we really need is
all parties to commit to building genuinely affordable homes and by that, i‘m in social housing. we need 90,000 new social homes a year and we need to help them to account to make sure that yes, the changes to planning, the changes that are neededin planning, the changes that are needed in the land market to make that happen are actually followed through in terms of legislation. thank you very much. mixed fortunes across the uk at the moment. the further west and north you are there will be more in the way of sunshine. a noticeable northerly breeze and it is going to feel chilly for some. that chilly theme continues through tonight. if
you are at that any fireworks displays there will be a lot of drier weather but one two showers. the showery rain will continue for a time and then it will clear. plenty of clear spells with one or two mist patches partly due to the smoke from the bonfires. temperature is widely close to freezing with a widespread ground floor stunted tomorrow. tomorrow quite chilly and it is going to be pretty wet for some of us on thursday.
hello, this is bbc newsroom live. the headlines: the liberal democrats officially launch their election campaign — jo swinson promises a "remain bonus" of £50 billion over five years if brexit is stopped. in a speech this morning, jeremy corbyn promises to "get brexit sorted" within six months of winning power. the conservatives dismiss labour‘s pledge as "fairy tale politics" and insist they are the party to deliver brexit. conservative politician jacob rees—mogg apologises for suggesting grenfell victims should have used "common sense" and ignored fire service guidance not to leave the burning tower block. diy tests could be almost as effective at identifying women at high risk of cervical cancer as traditional smear tests, according to new research.
let‘s cross to the house of commons where the independent mp and former attorney general dominic grieve is asking an urgent question about the publication of the security committee‘s report on russian state interference in british elections — which the government has not yet published. that not yet published. is not him. he is expected to be that is not him. he is expected to be doing it. the commons dissolves that midnight tonight ahead of the period before the election on the 12th of december. if there is to be any prospect of that report being published it needs to get the go—ahead today. dominic grieve will be asking an urgent question on that and we will go live to the house of commons when that happens. health and social care staff working
in the nhs in england will receive training on autism and learning disabilities following a campaign led by families. the training programme has been named in memory of teenager oliver mcgowan, whose parents campaigned for better staff training since his death in 2016. a trial of the new training will begin in england next year. a little earlier dan scorer from learning disability charity mencap told the bbc why it was so crucial. every year, over 1,000 people with a learning disability die avoidably. when if they‘d got good quality health care at the right time, their lives could have been saved. so this training was a key recommendation coming out of a government review looking into those deaths and so it‘s absolutely vital now the government move ahead with this and implement it as soon as possible. earlier, our presenter annita mcveigh spoke to caroline dinenage, the minister of state at the department of health and social care, and asked whether she was confident the program will be followed through on, no matter
who is in government? it‘s not a trial as a way of kicking it down the path, it‘s a trial to get it 100% right. this needs to be meaningful. we know that some health and care professionals do get the right sort of training but actually this is for everybody, so it‘s so it‘s notjust medical staff, it‘s everyone who may come into contact with patients. so you know yourself that if you have a negative experience with a gp front desk, with a receptionist, for example, it can ruin your day, but if you have an adult but if you are an adult with learning disabilities or an autistic person that might actually stop you wanting to go back to that doctor‘s surgery again... we are going live to the house of commons. can i rather gratuitously welcome you to the chair? i would
like to answer the question regarding the publication of the intelligence and security committee report on russia. the isc provides invaluable scrutiny and oversight of the work of the intelligence community to parliament so i am grateful to the committee for conducting this timely inquiry into whether work on russia. russia‘s reckless behaviour in salisbury shows that now more than ever we cannot afford to be complacent about that russian threat. because the isc deals with matters of national security and intelligence there reports always contain sensitive information. it is entirely right that report such as these go through an intensive security review before publication. this report is one of the number of isc reports that the government is currently considering. the current length of time that this report has been with the government
is not unusual as this has averaged around six weeks for reports published in recent years and three to four weeks for a response to be forthcoming from the government. for example the details of the city a tax review and the 2017—2018 annual report were sent together on the 12th of october 2018. we were asked to respond ten days later on the 26th of october and responded on the 8th of november and then the checked proof read report was published on the 22nd of november 2018. similarly the 22nd of november 2018. similarly the details of the detainees report we re the details of the detainees report were sent to number 10 on the 10th of may 2018. again the isc asked for a response in ten days on the 24th of may. we responded on the 30th of may and then the checked proof read report was published on the 12th of june 2018. in both cases the process
took approximately six weeks. because by low it is imperative that this process is thorough. in accordance with the gsa act 2018 the impact of releasing sensitive information must be carefully considered by the prime minister on the advice of civil servants. we cannot rush this process at the risk of undermining our national security. there is no set time limit within the mou for the government to clear such reports for publication in there is no set timeline for a response nor is there such a deadline set in the governing legislation. i want to assure the house at the committee is well informed of this process, which is continuing along standard parameters that apply before every publication. once the process has been completed
we will keep all relevant parties andi we will keep all relevant parties and i was informed. i would like to congratulate you on your election. the committee operates on a com pletely the committee operates on a completely nonpartisan basis to try to put information into the public domain in the national interest. this report was completed after many months of work in march of this year and there began a process of correction and reduction needed to get it published and that process, which and the cabinet office, was completed by early october. when the agencies in the national security secretary at indicated they were happy that the published form would not damage any operational capabilities of the agencies. that is why on the 17th of october the report was sent to the prime minister for final confirmation. report was sent to the prime ministerforfinal confirmation. it isa ministerforfinal confirmation. it is a long—standing agreement that the prime minister will endeavour to
respond within ten days. the minister has indicated that there have been instances where further delay has kept ten but my secretary and tell me it is unprecedented that we should have had no response at all explaining why any further delay is required in this case. the report has to be laid before parliament when it is sitting. if it is not laid before parliament ceases to set this evening it will not be capable of being late until the committee is reformed and in 2017 that took nearly six months. i said that the prime minister has claimed through the number 10 spokesman that there must be further delays for consultation about national security when the agencies themselves have indicated publicly this morning in response to journalistic inquiries
at the publication will not prejudice the discharge of their functions? so for what purpose is the prime minister still considering it? it certainly cannot be the risk to national security is the agencies themselves have said there is none. could you confirm that the prime minister does not have carte blanche to re m ove minister does not have carte blanche to remove material and if he wishes to remove material and if he wishes to exercise a veto over publication he must give the committee a credible explanation as to why he is doing this? and he also explained by number 10 spokesman have insisted that no publication should take place because weeks are further interdepartmental consultations were needed when i have to say to the minister this explanation was plainly bogus. can he explain why a number 10 spokesman suggested parts of the report had been wrecked by the committee when it is obvious to
anybody looks that it has who not —— been leaked. —— been leaked. would he like to withdraw that particular slur? i am gratefulto him for he like to withdraw that particular slur? i am grateful to him for his questions and the tone of those questions. i would simply reiterate points i have made already in my speech. it is not unusual for the review of isc reports to take some time. the average turnaround time is six weeks. the average response to the committee is anywhere between three orfour the committee is anywhere between three or four weeks and it is not a safe the prime minister has not had one or two other things to do during the last several weeks, notably obtaining a good dealfor britain
and withdrawing from the european union. it is not unusual. it is not unusual that the turnaround time is what it is. the prime minister has very specific and particular responsibilities under the justice and security act 2013 to be sure that any information that the isc reports may contain is properly checked and if appropriate redacted. the prime minister takes that responsibility very seriously indeed because the reports which issue from the isc are important and carry weight and must be properly looked at and that is what number 10 is doing and what the prime minister is doing and what the prime minister is doing by referring to his officials for advice which is his right and responsibility to do. as to leaks, we see quite a few of those i suppose. we deplore them all and i would not want anybody to believe
what is an elite particularly if it appears on the front pages of certain newspapers to be believable. if cani certain newspapers to be believable. if can i thank him for securing the question? i can only echo his words about the unjustifiable unprecedented and politically motivated reasons for delay in publication of this report until after the election. this is not at the request of the intelligence agencies. there are no foreign powers we have to consult which was the reason for the delay of the rendition report. this is nothing less tha n rendition report. this is nothing less than an attempt to suppress the truth from the public and from parliament and it is an affront to our democracy. we are bound to ask what is downing street so worried about? why would they not welcome an official report into attempted russian interference in the 2016
referendum? i russian interference in the 2016 referendum ? i feel russian interference in the 2016 referendum? i feel it is because they realise that this report will lead to other questions about links between russia and brexit and links with the tory party which risks derailing their election campaign. questions about the relationship between an fsb rent, linked person and questions about dominic cummings and questions about dominic cummings and his relationship with an oxford academic and the mysterious the yea rs academic and the mysterious the years he spent in post—communist russia aged just 23 and the relationships he allegedly forged with individuals like the key figure behind vladimir putin‘s thrown and questions about the amount of money flowing into conservative coffers from russian emigres about the sources of money paid for the brexit
campaign and the dubious activities of conservative friends of russia. and if the minister of state is going to dismiss all of the is conspiracy theories or smears and say it has nothing to do with the delay of this report nic back to him, prove it. publish this report are like to ourselves otherwise there is only one question, what have you got to hide?” there is only one question, what have you got to hide? i am obliged to the right honourable lady for giving a speech. she wonders where the professor was in the 19805. i
wonder where the opposition was in the 19805 and quite recently. it is rich for her to suggest that this government is linked. in respects to her question about publication the government has about publication the government has a responsibility, the prime minister has a responsibility, to properly look at the report. he has a responsibility under the justice and security act 2013 to do so and that is what he is doing. the turnaround time for the support is not unusual. the response time to the committee is not unusual. the attacked report
took some time to turn around. dt may report took time to turn i understand why she may wish for party political purposes to make the points that she has but they are entirely reputable. i believe personally they are reprehensible andi personally they are reprehensible and i wish he would withdraw the imputation about the good name of the conservative party.|j imputation about the good name of the conservative party. i am a member of the intelligence and security committee and i support what our chairman has said. this is a question of principle as much as anything else. i am not going into the details of the report. there have been a lot of foxes let loose by the media. i have this question to put to the minister and i feel
sorry for him and that he has been branded with having to answer this rather than somebody from the cabinet office. this report has been cleared by the intelligence and security agencies and the cabinet office and the civil servants and officials saw no reason whatsoever why it should not have been published. with the minister tell the house why it is that the prime minister is not going to allow this report to be released and published in this parliament? before i answer i would like to say farewell to my right honourable friend who has been a steadfast member of the size and an underrated champion of defence and security issues here and on the isc. he asks a straightforward
question and i will give him the straightforward answer, the prime minister has a responsibility under the 2013 act to properly and carefully adjudicate upon the report that this placed before him. that is what he is doing and it takes some time. can i pay tribute to the memberfor time. can i pay tribute to the member for beaconsfield. he and time. can i pay tribute to the memberfor beaconsfield. he and i disagree over a wide range of issues but his scrupulous nurse and holding his own government and other the others to account as a credit to this entire house. the russian government was ‘5 latest victim had its own people. with human rights activists, democracy activists and opposition groups and minorities targeted. i spent a number of people working in the former soviet union and we visited there is a foreign affa i rs and we visited there is a foreign affairs committee and i pay tribute to the bravery of those who campaign
for fairness and democracy. to the bravery of those who campaign forfairness and democracy. surely the greatest repose that we have had the greatest repose that we have had the greatest repose that we have had the greatest support we can give to those campaigners is to show that democracy, openness and transparency for the united kingdom should be something to look up to. i feel in this case it is not. i hope the minister is embarrassed by what he has just heard from the members of the members of this committee. their questions were damning and i am not surprised he didn‘t answer it. given the fact that russia poses to elections can he tell us his government have wanted an election for months, why is this not a priority? brexit has taught us this isa priority? brexit has taught us this is a government that likes to hide unhelpful reports, prove me wrong, publish the report. i am obliged for
his question. this government is prepared to be robust and transparent with respect to russia. look at the way we carefully collated, assessed, scrutinised and presented the evidence of the claimant‘s involvement in the attack on salisbury and amesbury and look at how we built an international alliance that responded to that threat. we are perfectly prepared to be robust with respect to russia and beeped transparent. he asked about evidence of involvement of russia and other elections. there is no evidence to suggest there has been any successful russian involvement in the british electoral cycle. i would ask him to be careful, to be thoughtful, to be considerate at
this vpl time as the house dissolves before the general election —— febrile time. allow us to assess what is in the report and we can produce a report in good time. when the minister talked about the isc he referred to the latest act that crystallised the practical approach to the running of the security committee in the years since 1994 when it was created by the secret intelligence service act. that created a balanced arrangement with the committee balancing national security with the right of scrutiny, balancing reduction in the right of the prime minister to approve the report before it is released. but it rested on balance, both sides, — the
government treating the other side fairly, and that is what is missing. by fairly, and that is what is missing. by not releasing the report all he does is create a vacuum for the paranoid fantasy we have heard from the opposition benches to fill. as everi the opposition benches to fill. as ever i am grateful. he will appreciate i cannot be responsible for the paranoid fantasies of those opposite. all i can say is that the report was received by the government on the 17th of october. it is not unusual for such reports to ta ke it is not unusual for such reports to take six weeks to turnaround. anywhere between three and four weeks for a response. given the circumstances and all the other things going on at the moment i am not surprised that the report is taking a little time to turnaround. that does not mean to see it suppressed. nice to see it as being
properly considered. as a labour member of the intelligence and security committee can i support the chair of the committee and his concerns today? security services have cleared the report. the cabinet office has cleared the report. we have made recommendations to the prime minister so my question is sense receiving the report has the prime minister read it? has he submitted any reductions? i don‘t need to know what they are. if not why doesn‘t he published today? need to know what they are. if not why doesn't he published today?” need to know what they are. if not why doesn't he published today? i am obliged for the question. a report such as this, a sensitive report, which is 50 pages long, requires careful consideration. it was submitted on the 17th of october. it is being reviewed by all the
releva nt is being reviewed by all the relevant senior officials within government and at number 10. the committee will be informed of that process and when the prime minister has concluded that the report is publishable he will publish it. we have been listening to the government‘s response to an urgent question by dominic grieve. they wa nted question by dominic grieve. they wanted the report published before the general election. if it is not published today it cannot happen until after the general election. there was a lot of pressure on the government to publish prior to the election but it is not going to be happening. mixed fortunes across the uk so far today. for some it has been quite cloudy,
with some outbreaks of rain. for others, particularly the further north you are, there has been a little bit of brightness, but without brighter weather we have started to introduce some colder weather. cold aircoming cold air coming from the north and we are going to expect del might notice that. we still have cloud and chevrolet rain for central and eastern england. he came northerly breeze and you will notice that particularly for north sea coasts. still in double digits for the site. if you‘re heading out and about tonight to watch fireworks, there will be a few showers around. many places will be dry but it will start to turn chilly as we go deeper into the night. one or two showers peppered elsewhere but clear spells
that there could be mist and fog given the smoke from the bonfires. temperatures dropping away quite widely with a touch of ground frost. it will start to tomorrow morning but fairly bright. one or two showers around and as we go through the day we will bring the sponge of showers and to the west and a band of more persistent rain into northern ireland and western fringes by the afternoon. after that cole started to is going to be chilly with temperatures for many of us in single digits. enter thursday of the area of low pressure tracks across bass will become quite slow—moving so there could be persistent meaning places. most likely in the midlands but perhaps a little further north into northern england as well. it could be enough to cause some problems. to the north spells of sunshine and some showers which
the liberal democrats say the uk will get a ‘remain bonus‘ of £50 billion over five years if brexit is stopped — as they launch their general election campaign their leaderjo swinson says change is possible — and hers is the only party that can stop britain leaving the eu when i look at borisjohnson and jeremy corbyn i am absolutely certain i could do a betterjob than either of them! jeremy corbyn says labour would get brexit done in six months — promising to secure a better deal with the eu a labour government will get brexit sorted within six months by giving you, the british people, the final say.
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