tv Victoria Derbyshire BBC News November 6, 2019 10:00am-11:01am GMT
hello. it's wednesday, it's 10 o'clock, i'm victoria derbyshire. good morning. any moment now, the prime minister will set off for buckingham palace to meet the queen ahead of the official start of the 2019 general election campaign. borisjohnson will try boris johnson will try to borisjohnson will try to get his campaign back on track, back on to brexit, after a bruising 2a hours that has prompted a spate of apologies. the row continues over conservative jacob rees—mogg saying it would have been "common sense" to get out of grenfell tower when it was on fire and fellow tory andrew bridgen defending defending those comments. they have caused a huge amount of hurt and pain for the people involved.
i think they both recognise that and in the apologies that they've made they've recognised that. and i think they were right to apologise. 0n the day that 11,000 scientists say governments are failing to address the "climate crisis", the greens pledge to massively increase borrowing to £91 billion a year to fund action on climate change. we believe we can borrow and then service that debt over time and make sure we get that green new deal that we desperately need. we have got to decarbonise the economy. there is a climate emergency. we have to act now. their campaign launches at 10:30. we'll bring it to you live. and gloria de piero is standing down as labour mp after almost a decade. we'll ask her why, what she's learned about herself in that time, and why, despite the abuse, being an mp was worth it.
hello. welcome to the programme. we're live until 11 this morning. lots of you getting in touch already to tell us what you want from this election campaign. mandy on twitter: "honesty." groovy on twitter: "me? that's too much responsibility. i can feel the power corrupting me already." sandy on twitter: "honesty. straight answers. wait... sorry, i was dreaming." it's going to be a very busy morning, so let's crack on with the news from anita. the prime minister will travel to buckingham palace shortly for an audience with the queen — signalling the official start of the general election campaign. boris johnson has compared jeremy corbyn to the soviet leaderjoseph stalin because of what he says is the labour leader's "hatred of wealth creators." mr corbyn has dismissed the comment as "nonsense from the super rich." a man has gone on trial in new zealand accused of murdering
a british backpacker after they met on a dating website. the body of grace millane, who was 22, was found a week after she went missing from her hotel in auckland in december last year. the man, who's 27, can't be named for legal reasons. a series of government advertisements about universal credit have been banned for misleading the public. 0ne advert about the availability of advance payments failed to mention that they were loans. the government said it was disappointed by the ruling, saying it had worked with the advertising standards authority to develop the adverts. marks & spencer says its profits dropped by nearly a fifth in the first half of its financial year. the retailer was hit by a sharp fall in demand for its clothes and home goods. 0verall sales were down by 2.1% but it reported that its food business had grown. there's been in a big boost for gender equality in australian sport. the country's football federation has announced that players in the national women's side, the matildas, will earn the same as their male counterparts, the socceroos. but the men are likely to keep
earning more overall, because of greater prize money. buckingham palace has confirmed that the queen will no longer buy clothes that contain realfur. but it wouldn't speculate on whether her majesty will carry on wearing existing fur coats — or official robes trimmed with ermine. animal rights groups have welcomed the move as ‘a sign of the times‘. police have released images showing how two murder suspects pulled off a surprising jail break in california. the men crawled through a 22 inch hole they cut in a toilet ceiling at the jail south of san francisco. the local sheriff's office said the men had exploited a "blind spot". a driver in essex has been pulled over by police after they spotted her carrying a rather unusual load. she was driving with a double bed stacked upright in a bmw convertible. officers said the driver told them the bed was, "wedged in the seat so it was ok."
i think you can be a bad judge of that. that's the latest news — back to victoria. there is definitely a good gag about that. the day has finally officially arrived, the general election campaign. it formally kicks off today. any moment now borisjohnson is about to head from 10 downing street to buckingham palace for an audience with the queen. the result is down to you and it will shape the future of the country. not just how, will shape the future of the country. notjust how, when and whether we leave the eu backed how
public services are run and paid for. as borisjohnson travels to the see the queen we have two people to guide you through this morning. dr alice lilly — a senior researcher at the institute for government and john sergeant — the bbc‘s former chief political correspondent from 1992 to 2000. itn political editor from 2001—2003. why does he need to go and see the green at all? mostly it is courtesy and a formality. parliament was dissolved and he is going to essentially let the queen know that parliament was dissolved and there will be an election in december the 12th, just in case she have not already aware. how might the conversation go? obviously, what they won't do is say, can we have an election or anything like that? the
queen is a master of small talk. the chances are... here is boris. we must not call him boris, the prime minister. he is still the prime minister. he is still the prime minister and the ministers are still ministers. this is where the constitution work so well. there is 110 constitution work so well. there is no question of, is there a government? there is a government and they are all that and working. he is in the official car on the way to buckingham palace. are they on their own, the queen and boris johnson, when they meet together? will she bring up the supreme court ruling or will it be full of small talk? if i was advising the queen, unlikely, very unlikely, i would say something like, how much time do you spendin something like, how much time do you spend in london during the campaign? that kind of question. you will
obviously be going round the country. to think it will make a difference being a winter campaign? if one was eavesdropping, you would expect those kind of things rather than being contentious. they don't wa nt than being contentious. they don't want to have an argument about anything, not at this stage. that is the joy of it. he will play his part and she will play hers. it'll be or informal but the queen will never be asked a question. she will be asking him questions. the prime minister making his journey to him questions. the prime minister making hisjourney to buckingham palace but how well did they know each other? not very well. they had been there for the weekend. they we nt been there for the weekend. they went to palmyra with his girlfriend. she will have known of him for a long time. —— now moral. she will be terrific at talking to him. she has got to know him. he may be prime
minister for a long time, a very short prime minister at the moment. she will want to get on well with him. this is a tremendous conduit for her, and fan, i would think. we heard a lot about prorogation, their suspension of parliament recently, what is the difference between and this dissolution, the formal closing down a parliament? dissolution happens at the end of the parliament. we normally expect it to be five years unless mps agree to hold an election earlier. the parliament is broken down into individual sessions, a bit like the parliamentary year. the gap between the parliamentary sessions is referred to as prorogation, where mps takea referred to as prorogation, where mps take a bit of a break, you come back and have a new session with a queen speech like we had a few weeks
ago. the dissolution happens at the end of a parliament. there are significant and practical differences. the main one is, when parliament is dissolved, mps are no longer mps, they are candidates. all 650 seats in the house of commons are vacant. that does not happen at prorogation. the other big difference is bills that are going through parliament at prorogation can sometimes be carried over between different parliamentary sessions and keep going, that cannot happen when parliament is dissolved. any bills that were before parliament at one minute past midnightand parliament at one minute past midnight and had parliament at one minute past midnightand had not parliament at one minute past midnight and had not gone through all the stages and not made into law will fall. if a new government wants to pick it up again after an election, they will have to start from the beginning. we talked a lot on this programme about the domestic abuse bell that was going through parliament. that has gone. they will
have to see if it will be picked up again. three elections in five yea rs, again. three elections in five years, john, for this country. that is pretty unusual. will this be an historic election? every election is historic election? every election is historic in every election are significant and matters. the result is what people will look back on. they will rewrite the history of the campaign on the basis of what the result was. this is the car going into buckingham palace. it will be particularly interesting when the result comes through. we could end up result comes through. we could end up in much the same position as we are now with a minority government and the tories not being able to command a majority or it could be quite different. 0ur command a majority or it could be quite different. our system usually expects a rapid change. a small change in the votes and suddenly an enormous difference in the number of seats. mrjohnson about to get out of his official car before his audience with the queen. alice has been explaining that as a courtesy
call because the days when a prime minister would officially ask for permission from the queen to hold an election have gone. three elections in five years, despite us having the fixed—term parliaments act which was supposed to do away with this. fixed—term parliaments act which was supposed to do away with thism fixed—term parliaments act which was supposed to do away with this. it is theissue supposed to do away with this. it is the issue of brexit that has split the issue of brexit that has split the parties. all the parties are split on it. it is extremely difficult and impossible really for the government to govern. when you are in that position, what else can you do? you have to call on the people and say, we will put the arguments in front of you and the people must decide. if only the people must decide. if only the people would be guaranteed to decide. that is what makes it so complicated and impossible to predict but also so interesting. thank you very much. appreciate your expertise and this morning. i am just going to
bring you this breaking news, if i make it is about extinction rebellion. this news in from the high court. they have won a high court challenge over the metropolitan police over the london wide protest ban over the ultimate prize in last month. the demonstrations last month. after a couple of weeks, the met police imposed a ban on demonstrations around 0xford imposed a ban on demonstrations around oxford circus, around various bridges across the capital. the high court say that that ban was unlawful and extinction rebellion have won the high court challenge against the met police over the london wide ban, imposed during the autumn demonstrations. still to come. labour's gloria de piero is one of around 60 mps standing down at this election. she's here to reflect on the nine and a half years she's spent
as a labour politician, something she says has been the greatest honour of her life. but it hasn't been easy. in a few moments, we'll be in bristol where the green party will launch its election campaign. they‘ re branding it "the climate election." do get in touch with us throughout the morning. use the hashtag victoria live. and you can send us an e—mail. 0ne one thing you cannot say about the parties in their selection as they are all the same. the main parties couldn't be further apart on brexit and just about everything else. jeremy corbyn is promising what he calls "real change", including an end to in—work poverty and food bank use. and on brexit he says he'll negotiate a new brexit deal and then put it to the poeople in a referendum. borisjohnson says he wants to get brexit done and focus on the nhs, crime and the cost of living.
the lib dems want to cancel brexit and the snp want scotland to stay in the eu and have a another referendum on independence. we're joined now by leading figures from each of those parties. we cannot call them mps any more. lloyd russell moyle is from labour. conservative nigel evans was deputy speaker of the house of commons. christine jardine speaks for the lib dems on home affairs. she's in edinburgh and stephen gethins speaks for the snp on foreign affairs. he's in dundee. welcome to all of you. let me start with you, nigel evans. a conservative candidate said people on benefits should be put down. jacob rees mogg saying people with "common sense" would've got out of grenfell tower, andrew bridgen excusing that by saying mr rees mogg is clever. the government refusing to publish the report into whether russia has interfered in previous elections before. and a rape survivor calling on the welsh secretary to quit. the
start of yourcampaign on the welsh secretary to quit. the start of your campaign has been an absolute disaster and it is not funny. no, no. this is my 11th parliamentary election. it has been a disaster for the conservatives, the start, hasn't it? iwas a disaster for the conservatives, the start, hasn't it? i was still stepped about jacob rees—mogg the start, hasn't it? i was still stepped aboutjacob rees—mogg and the fact he had missed spokane. he has apologised. some of the other things really i don't know too much about. —— miss spoken. i know there isa about. —— miss spoken. i know there is a long way to go and each of the parliamentary parties, it does not matter who we are, will have stories like this. you don't acknowledge your first 2a hours have been catastrophic? they could have been better. the public themselves will better. the public themselves will be judging better. the public themselves will bejudging us on how we have behaved over the last two years since the general election. we have a new prime minister in borisjohnson who
is going incredibly well against jeremy corbyn. everyone knows it is going to be jeremy jeremy corbyn. everyone knows it is going to bejeremy corbyn or boris johnson going through the door of number 10 johnson going through the door of number10 and johnson going through the door of number 10 and they do not want it to bejeremy corbyn. let's see the clip. i think if either of us were in a fire, whatever the fire brigade said, we would leave the burning building. itjust seems the common sense thing to do. and it is such a tragedy that that didn't happened. because for him to resign. should he? he should not resign. i am someone he? he should not resign. i am someone who has experienced a fire. my someone who has experienced a fire. my house burned down in the 19705 and it was a miracle that no member of my family were killed at that time because we stood on a ledge that was many feet up. you have to think in split second as to what you are going to do that i had to climb out of the top window on the third floor. why should jacob rees-mogg
keep his position when he suggested if the peopling grenfell tower had more common sense, they would have survived. —— people in. more common sense, they would have survived. -- people in. you should think long and hard when making comments about a fire. conservative candidate andrew bridgen compounded it by saying that jacob rees—mogg was a clever authority figure. let's have a listen to him. do you think he meant to say that he thought he would not have stayed put? that's what he meant to say... that, in a way, that is exactly what people object to, which is he's in effect saying i wouldn't have died because i would have been cleverer than the people who took the fire brigade's advice. he sighs. but we want very clever people running the country, don't we, evan? that's a by—product of what jacob is and that's why he's in a position of authority. what he's effectively saying is he would have made a better decision than the authority figures
who give that advice. you can only know when you are in that situation. i have been in that situation. you are defending that? i am saying, in the situation of a fire you had a split—second decision to make. i had been there this general election is not going to be about what jacob rees—mogg general election is not going to be about whatjacob rees—mogg misspoke about whatjacob rees—mogg misspoke about yesterday. those comments cut through to people anyway some policies do not. this is the issue. they may have apologised but that is what they really believe. they may have apologised but that is what they really believelj they may have apologised but that is what they really believe. i don't know where you get that idea from, i really don't. do you know them better than they know themselves? jacob apologised. people sometimes say something and a host at the moment that they reflect on afterwards and think, i could have done a lot better. i had done a load
of times that i had been an mp for 27 years. i think this election will be about brexit and why it has not been delivered. it'll be about people. the snp and the lib dems have stopped from happening. we are the only party going into this election to get that done so we can focus on all the other things like the nhs and public services. i know lloyd is a bit upset we had so many billionaires living in the united kingdom that you do not get rid of food banks in britain by getting rid of billionaires. i want to make sure the wealthy people get an opportunity to create wealth and we track settled at the top earners a 2796 track settled at the top earners a 27% of tax. lloyd wants to get rid of them. before i move on to labour and the snp and the lib dems, calls for alun cairns to resign, the well step —— the welsh secretary. should he resign? i have known him for over
two decades. if he says he did not know about it, i believe him. the bbc has seen an e—mail suggesting he was told about it. should he apologise to the survivor of a rape who has caused for his resignation —— called for. who has caused for his resignation -- called for. i am not privy to his e—mails. i have known him for a long time. when he says he knows nothing about it, i actually do believe him. we arejust going about it, i actually do believe him. we are just going to show buckingham palace for a minute. borisjohnson is still in there. he has been in there for a fee minutes. we are expecting him to emerge any moment. i would imagine the queen is thinking, i know parliament is dissolved because i have a television and i saw it last night. it isa television and i saw it last night. it is a courtesy. we are expecting borisjohnson to emerge from the palace at any moment and then going
back to downing street where he will officially announce a general election campaign has begun that it has already began. i want to bring out this tweet from an lib dems candidate. it shows one of your leaflets. i know you cannot necessarily see it in our edinburgh studio but i will read it to you. it says, the lib dems fightback is real and it has changed everything. it says that sky news says that. it also says the lib dems winning and on the up after by—election victory and it claims that the guardian said that. neither is true. both were said by your leader. this is fake news from the lib dems, isn't it?|j have no knowledge of that leaflet. can you tell me where it was produced? i cannot tell you that but it was a lib dems leaflet. produced? i cannot tell you that but it was a lib dems leafletlj produced? i cannot tell you that but it was a lib dems leaflet. i had no knowledge of it whatsoever. do you
think it is a fake? i have not seen or heard anything about it. does it have an imprint on it? does it say who it is which part of the country, what it is? it will do. it's from a lib dems candidate and has picked up by someone who works at the guardian, heather stuart when she got home and realise actually they we re q u otes got home and realise actually they were quotes from jo swinson, rather than the guardian and sky news. were quotes from jo swinson, rather than the guardian and sky newslj than the guardian and sky news.” cannot comment on it, victoria, because i have not seen it. if it is produced by one of the candidates, you would condemn it, would you?” haven't seen it. what i would say is, if it is not true, i would do not understand how it would have got through. are these things that jo swinson said that the quoted on sky news and quoted in the guardian? i do not know. if i had seen a leaflet or known about it in advance i would
have done but it is something i know nothing about. you have ruled out a coalition with labour doing anything to putjeremy corbyn in number 10, as he put it. there's an your only realistic route to a referendum on remaining the eu? no. we are absolutely clear that our policy towards europe, as it has been for three and a half years is our main option and preference that had been for a peoples vote. now we have run out of time for people say before the extension runs out at the end of january. if we get a majority in the general election, we will revoke article 50. jeremy corbyn is talking about renegotiating a deal, he is not talking about stopping brexit. jeremy corbyn is as much a supporter of brexit as boris johnson. jeremy corbyn is as much a supporter of brexit as borisjohnson. there is fio of brexit as borisjohnson. there is no evidence whatsoever that the labour party would go for a peoples
vote, other than this is the latest thing they had said on the issue and they had said so many things in the past. we will not putjeremy they had said so many things in the past. we will not put jeremy corbyn in numberio. past. we will not put jeremy corbyn in number10. in percentage terms but how likely is it that the lib dems will get a majority?” but how likely is it that the lib dems will get a majority? i am not a mathematician. this country is crying out for change in politics and we believe the time is right now for seismic change in british politics to get away from the old ideas boys club, tribalism that we had at westminster to a more constructive, coherent, sort of... approach and jo swinson is bringing in people from both sides. approach and jo swinson is bringing in people from both sidesm approach and jo swinson is bringing in people from both sides. it sounds ridiculous whenjo swinson says that iam your ridiculous whenjo swinson says that i am your candidate for prime minister when it is pretty obvious thatis minister when it is pretty obvious that is almost impossible. it is not impossible, it is not. everybody goes out to any start from scratch.
the lib dems had to win over 300 seats falter every time we vote in a general election, we all start from scratch. the labour candidate and conservative candidate are laughing at you. of course they are. they are from the old politics. you say you will go back to the people in another referendum. how can people trust you will actually carry out that referendum when you don't want to deliver on the previous one? the previous one was, in principle, a decision. what has become clear now, even within brexit supporting people from the brexit party to the conservative party, there are disagreements as to what kind of brexit is a decent brexit kind of a settle m e nt brexit is a decent brexit kind of a settlement they want. this referendum is not a rerun of the last one. it is effectively, within six months of labour getting into power, we will have the best
possible deal we can get, versus remain. before the referendum, the brown envelopes will be written and, as soon as one that says remain, one that says and accept the deal and ratify the deal, they will be putting the head civil service office, the election result will come in the letter will be sent to brussels. people can trust it will be implemented because rather than going back to parliament for years of negotiation, which is what boris johnson will declare ten years of negotiation with his deal, we will see the civil servant automatically implementing it and it will happen the next day. you and many of your collea g u es the next day. you and many of your colleagues stood in the 2017 general election saying, in your manifesto, we will respect the result of the referendum. why should anyone
believe you this time? that time he laid out six tests. we said these are oursix laid out six tests. we said these are our six tests for a brexit that had been promised in the election. in the election, we said we would respect the referendum and we would only support leaving on their sixth test terms and we would not have an idea. that is what it was said in the last election. where deals had come back which do not meet the six tests a nd come back which do not meet the six tests and there hadn't been no deals, we were against it. we have said we would come back to the people, no ifs, no buts, but it will happen and it will be envelope time of which one wins. the envelope will be sent off and the deal will be ratified because it will be worked up ratified because it will be worked up deal, or it will be and remain, and a letter that goes winning. will eu nationals and 16 and 17—year—olds
be able to vote in that referendum? i think that 16 and 17—year—olds should vote and that eu nationals who have settled status, he had been here for five years who have worked and toiled for this country, i think they should have a vote. that is for parliament and asked to decide. 0ur view and our policy as they should. it is the same franchise as the local elections. what percentage of nhs budget is spent on private and independent providers, providing services like pathology and pharmacy services like pathology and pharmacy services and so on? about 7% and it has been static. why are you telling people the nhs will be privatised? what we have seen under the conservatives is a rolling back of the nhs so only private providers will do certain procedures. i talked about this the other day on politics
live. i have a genetic issue where, every few years, i have to go to the doctor and they cut them out. now they will not do that on the nhs and i will have to go privately. that is not part of the... i will have to go privately. that is not part of the. .. hang on i will have to go privately. that is not part of the... hang on a minute. the independent think tank says there is no evidence of a significant increase in the share of spending on private providers or widespread privatisation of nhs services. they are two different things. they are looking at what the nhs is franchising out. i am looking at the nhs welling back so people are having to use private providers. that is what is happening. it does not show in the figure 7% but it does show in day—to—day lives. if you need a second hip replacement because your first one is gone, we might not be able to do that is what they will say and you will probably have to go private. that is what people on the street are experiencing and that is when they are being told the nhs is being
privatised. how soon would you support a referendum on scottish independence if it would getjeremy corbyn into number 10? the settlement is two fold. if a party in their manifesto for a devolved part of country, wins a majority and says they want a referendum, we should facilitate that. in a couple of years if the snp win. now, the snp would have to have that in their manifesto and win the scottish referendum and be a change in the make up of britain. if those tests are met, that is the same as the test for northern ireland, then we cannot put... be in the way of it. all right let me finish. anything else is undemocratic and undermines the fabric of the constitutional settle m e nt fabric of the constitutional settlement of this country. as deeply undemocratic as you not
respecting the respect of the referendum. it is no what the you promised. unther what circumstances would you do a deal with labour? what would the price be? you know what strikes me about this and i'm down at well listening to the traditional westminster parties, we talk about deals and... we are not talking about deals. sorry, can i just finish. you're talking of nothing. you have taken 20 minutes to come to the snp. the snp is committed to independence, yes, but we also want to see the back of trident, £200 billion being wasted on nuclear weapons. we want to stop brexit and see a fairer system and stop the tories and give scotland a choice. we will use our clout, our snp votes, to deliver those. now, we have minority governments elsewhere in the uk and we have minority governments in europe, that is where
a responsible opposition party can deliver real change. so a potential labour government supporting a second referendum and campaigning to remain wouldn't necessarily help you? no of course it would, we think scotland should be given a choice. lloyd talked about a material change in circumstances. now, we put that to the people in 2016 and we said if there is a material change of circumstances, like scotland being taken circumstances, like scotland being ta ken out of circumstances, like scotland being taken out of the eu against its will, what is what it looks like, then scotland should be able to choose. we won that election and we have that mandate and what snp mps have that mandate and what snp mps have done and i've done for four and a half years is work with colleagues in other parties and the liberal democrat and the greens and the labour party to deliver change, but we want to see scotland given that choice over its future. so that we can reclaim our membership of the european union. i don't want us to
leave the eu, there is better deal than the one we have in the eu. it needs to be stopped and scotland needs to be stopped and scotland needs to be given a choice. what do you say when people say, actually, the snp and the liberal democrats would do best if borisjohnson and the conservatives won a majority on december 12th? i'm i'm the conservatives won a majority on december12th? i'm i'm sorry the conservatives won a majority on december 12th? i'm i'm sorry that garbage. we are the biggest and strongest party at westminster. i don't want to see harm being done to my constituents and scotland, and i don't want to see the damage to our closest neighbours either. we know it will hit the public services and the nhs in england as much as it will in scotland. the scotland has done great work to protect us as far as it can, but you can only go so far when westminster has so much control and we know, we know this is
a brexit election, we know that the snp is best placed to stop brexit, we are the biggest party in westminster who are united in this goal, but no, you're going to say we are not. ray this is an extreme government and you heard from it nigel, the mask slipped from the tories and i don't think they're responsible to be in government and i don't think borisjohnson is responsible to be prime minister and we will stop that. no deals with the tories. he is still prime minister and he is still in with the queen. maybe she is giving him an ear bashing and the last time he persuaded her to illegally prorogue parliament. we are told he will be leaving soon. i thought the fake leaf let was in
area, one thought the fake leaf let was in area , one says thought the fake leaf let was in area, one says i have the leaflet in kingston. david messaged us, i've got one, it is in eastbourne, sent to my disabled son. i haven't seen that, i'm sorry. i hope it is 39 tays left and you stop these sorts of leaflets. if we are talk about fa ke tweets of leaflets. if we are talk about fake tweets and videos, i want to ask if you can ask agree this has to bea ask if you can ask agree this has to be a clean fight in the election and doctoring interviews or anything else, leaflets or quotes like the conservatives doctored the keir starmer interview is a mistake. here is the original interview. why would the eu give you a good deal if they know you're going to actively campaign against it? i have been talking to the eu, to political leaders across the eu 27
countries for three years. i know very well what the parameters are of any deal they would do with a labour government. so that was the original and here is the one that was doctored by cchq. why would you eu give you a good deal if they know you're going to actively campaign against it? so you've got nigel evans as a conservative candidate, you have got to say that's got to stop? what i said is all you need to do is to basically put out what the labour party are saying, which is far morery kick louse. so -- far more ridiculous. here is the prime minister. i will come back to you. there he is. the queen waving and smiling. who knows what they discussed. for about 20 minutes or so. maybe a bit of brexit was discussed. what i would say is that
all they need to do is put out what the labour party are saying, that they would renegotiate a deal with brussels and then... except they didn't. they doctored it. that has to stop? they would campaign against their own deal. people like emily thornberry, keir starmer would campaign to remain in the eu. that is all we need to do is put out what they're saying and we will win the election, victoria. we will see. i think people care about other things as well. christine jardine, will you sign up to our audience and say no more fake leaflets. i haven't put any fake leaflets and i wouldn't. i'm trying to find out what this leaflet. it must be a clean campaign. it does. and absolutely clean, because i know what it is like when your opponents put out lies about you, because i suffered that in edinburgh west the last time. i know exactly what it is like. there is no way i would
condone anything which wasn't true. but if we could just go back to what the snp said, a couple of minutes ago, the snp are telling us about the damage that brexit is doing and i agree the damage that brexit is doing and iagree and the damage that brexit is doing and i agree and it is damaging jobs and the economy, but what they don't seem to see is that independence would be exactly the same. and that is why... would be exactly the same. and that iswhy... i would be exactly the same. and that is why... i will let him... and that is why... i will let him... and that is why... i will let him... and that is why people voted against independence and they would if we we re independence and they would if we were to go back to them. the liberal democrats will not be supporting another referendum and any more disruption and uncertainty for scottish business. it is all right for you to campaign for a people's vote, but you wouldn't give a second vote, but you wouldn't give a second vote to scotland. that is a completely different situation. it isa completely different situation. it is a different situation. what you had in scotland... i'm going to go to stephen gethins. i will ask you to stephen gethins. i will ask you to be brief. 27 other member states
like our neighbours are wealthier and grow as members of eu, scotland should be given n that choice and the liberal democrat will campaign for a referendum, as we will too. but... no. you're going to campaign for a referendum to remain, why don't they give scotland a choice. that seems fair. we won on the basis ofa that seems fair. we won on the basis of a manfo. —— manifesto. jill says. jill says none of the politicians tell us the truth and they tell us what they think we want to hear. more to come. now the to the greens in bristol where they're launching their election campaign this morning. thank you all so much for being here what. a year 2019 has been for us. the green wave is sweeping the globe and it has been cascading across
britain with our best two election results. we more than doubled our number of councillors in april, we more than doubled our number of meps in the campaign in may and on december 12th we are reddied ady for the hat trick. —— ready for the hat trick. we ready to more than double oui’ trick. we ready to more than double our number of mps by electing carla danier. and some more as well. but there is one thing i want to make clear right from the outset, right from day one of this our green campaign, boris johnson wants from day one of this our green campaign, borisjohnson wants to make this the brexit election and a rerun of the referendum, a fight on his terms on his dodgy turf. but
this election is about so much more. yes, greeps are the strongest voice for remaining in the eu, because we must protect environmental standards and work with our neighbours to avoid climate chaos. because we must protect our precious freedom of movement, our human rights and our peace, because we must remain and transform. mrauz. applause. but some things are even bigger than brexit. this must be the climate election, the future won't get another chance. applause. that is why greens like you will be coming to cities all over the uk knocking on doors, fighting for every vote to make sure this
election goes down as the turning point in ourfight election goes down as the turning point in our fight for climate justice. let's be honest about the situation we are n we know these are dark times, it is easy to fear the future, the threat of brexit hangs over our heads and the climate emergency continues. but greens don't fear the future. we are the future. we stand at the threshold of what could be the most exciting peer idea of our country's history, taking the action on the climate emergency is also about creating a brand—new britain. emergency is also about creating a brand-new britain. applause. we say forget inequality and forget worshipping gdp and forget pointless
foreign wars and fracking, oil and coal and forget working for longer hours, forget air, so toxic it chokes you to death. we have a vision for a different future. and we won't get there through old politics, business as usual, brexit and we need a break from the past and we need a break from the past and the green party has always been on the right side of history. now it is time for us to shape the future. applause. friends, that future sta rts applause. friends, that future starts today, that future starts here in bristol with the amazing
carla danier, ready to be the new mp. she is going to speak now, so give her a huge welcome. thank you. it's so great to see you all here and i'm so honoured to be campaigning alongside you to put another green campaigning alongside you to put anothergreen in the campaigning alongside you to put another green in the heart of parliament. it is so clear to me that there has never been more appetite in this country for real climate action. you know, when i passed... applause. when i passed the uk's first ever climate emergency declaration in bristol, i had no idea what a powerful movement that would set into motion. like so many greens on councils up and down the country, i had a vision for my local community and i wanted to make ita local community and i wanted to make it a reality for my friend and
neighbours. applause the vision for a green city a city where we put public transport above private car ownership, where we have cleaner, greener, cheaper energy. a city where we can trust the air we breathe. a city where we are connected and where we enjoy local food and we have green spaces and we have meaningful work and time off. a city committed to going carbon neutral by 2030. applause this was my vision for bristol when i declared a climate emergency and i'm proud to say it is a vision that has reached way beyond this city and is spreading across the entire country.
in onlya spreading across the entire country. in only a single year, nearly 300 local authorities have followed the lead of greens and declared a climate emergency. applause in town after town, city after city, village after village, ordinary people are demanding climate action and they are taking climate action and they are taking climate action and in this election we will galvanise the country with the boldest most ambitious green new deal proposed anywhere in the world. applause this truly is the election. when ijoin applause this truly is the election. when i join caroline applause this truly is the election. when ijoin caroline lucas in the houses of parliament this december,
greens will be even louder. and racing even faster towards a britain which works for everyone. thank you. applause we will leave the green party election launch there. they say forget inequality, forget working longer hour, we need a decisive breakfrom longer hour, we need a decisive break from the past. so said longer hour, we need a decisive breakfrom the past. so said sian berry. and for more on how environmental issues will affect
this election, do go to the science section on the news website to read this analysis by our science editor david shukman. let's talk to a politician who is standing down. gloria de piero was the labour mp for ashfield in nottinghamshire until yesterday. icame i came from a poor background and i think it is due to my party speaking up think it is due to my party speaking upfor think it is due to my party speaking up for people that i was able to go to university and have a successful career and speak today and i believe governments should help transform people's lives for the better. it ta kes people's lives for the better. it takes individual effort and the support of a family, but there is something else that transforms people's lives and that is community. she was in the top team of the then leader ed miliband and held two senior positions underjeremy corbyn. in 2017 at the last election her majority went from more than 8,000 to just 441. she voted remain — 70% of her constituents voted leave — and she was one of 19 labour mps
who voted in principle for for borisjohnson's brexit agreement bill recently. i should say borisjohnson is back at no ten. why are you standing down? ten years is quite a long time to do down? ten years is quite a long time todoa down? ten years is quite a long time to do a job of this intensity. because it is a job that requires, it is an honour and you have to know you can give it 100%. i still can, but i'm not sure i could keep up this level of energy and stress for another five years. i thought the honourable thing to do was to stand down while i still have the energy. is it stressful? it is. it is stressful in a different way. 0bviously, i've not been going down the pit. but it is stressful in the sense that you get pulled in a number of different directions, that your weekends, you're not necessarily your own, your evenings.
just seeing your friends and your family, being a good daughter, you should be able to be a good daughter and a good too. but sometimes that falls to the way side. what about the toxic atmosphere. it is horrible, but i do think it doesn't represent britain. you talk about the majority, since 2010 it has been a marginal, so i've knocked on doors week in, week out. are people fed up with us at the moment? yeah they are fed up with politicians, do they abuse you on the doorstep? britain is not like that. it brings you back to reality. people will have a go at you, but not in the way you might see on social media. there is a difference between the reality when you talk to people face to face and what is on social media. is that why
you aren't fearful about your personal safety, even though you have a panic button and an external mail box. before i go out, every time, i always think, oh, mail box. before i go out, every time, ialways think, oh, god, i've seen this today, people calling me this and tra and traitor and it a lwa ys this and tra and traitor and it always crosses my mind and after a door knocking session, i think it is not like that. i always feel better at the end. that is good to hear. what about the intolerance for different viewpoints in your party and across politics? i think something happened in around, i noticed it at least around 2015, 2016 when people had different opinions from each other and they have different opinions, as far as thatis have different opinions, as far as that is not racist or sexist or any of those things, i think those opinions are valid. i think normal
discourse is to say, i think that is your opinion and i don't agree. but i noticed a finger—jabbing come in — you're wrong. that is bad for political debate. everyone has a view worth listening to. nobody is wrong. don't finger jab. view worth listening to. nobody is wrong. don't fingerjab. let's have the conversation in a respectful way. in almost a decade in parliament, you have never experienced you tell me sexism or harassment. is that true? not harassment, no. god sexism? i mean... ican't harassment, no. god sexism? i mean... i can't think of a particular example, but when you go into a place and it is 70% male, you are alive to it. whatever strides we have taken since 1997 in the representation of women, i mean let's not pop open the champagne corks. 70% men in there still. we need more working class people there as well. that is interesting, how do
you encourage more working class people in? that is your background. it is important for people from that background to speak of it. it is only 9% of labour mps, but 9% of labour mps. when people say to you on the doorstep, you're all the same, and i... i had somebody, boris johnson and jeremy corbyn are definitely not the same. i mean he said, you all went to the same schools and you don't know what it is like to walk in our sures. i think that is a crucial challenge. —— walk in our shoes. when i went around the country to say, what do you think is the most important qualification for mp5 and i did a load of groups, they all said qualifications or some said you have got to go to oxford and cambridge. if you have a passion and you love you community, you are the candidate and you don't need a single gcse to do that. give us some insight of
what you have learned about yourself. do you think you have been good at every element of yourjob? no, of course i haven't. actually i was just watching earlier in your programme, we had lloyd and nigel on there and they were being spokes people for their parties. i thought, to be honest, they did well, both of them and i wasn't... i wasn't a very good, i don't think, i wasn't, them and i wasn't... i wasn't a very good, i don't think, iwasn't, i thought do you go on question time. idid thought do you go on question time. i did that a couple of time, i wasn't awful, but i wasn't good. i said, there are better people than me doing that. you asked lloyd what per cent and i was like, that is the sort of question, i would have went, ididn't sort of question, i would have went, i didn't remember that. you know what i mean? it is those sort of... it is all right to say i don't know.
it is all right to say i don't know. it is all right to say i don't know. it is hard to do that. i would like to think we could say i don't know. because you will get some weird people in parliament. going on question time was stressful? yes i did itand question time was stressful? yes i did it and i thought let's do it again andi did it and i thought let's do it again and i did worse. you get pre——ed. again and i did worse. you get pre--ed. -- you do get briefed by the party. yes, but that didn't move me. stories from people you met and when you get a 70 page document, i couldn't see it and sounded like a robot and i couldn't remember what was on page 64 of the briefing document. maybe politics need to change orjournalism. document. maybe politics need to change or journalism. it document. maybe politics need to change orjournalism. it is not a natural thing to do. well done lloyd. that is interesting, you used to bea lloyd. that is interesting, you used to be a political reporter on gmtv and you're used to being on television. i am going to ask you,
it isa television. i am going to ask you, it is a personal question, you're co mforta ble it is a personal question, you're comfortable with me asking it and i know you say i wouldn't ask this of a male politician, you've chosen not to have children. i have and you wouldn't ask a male politician. which is a fair point. i was asked, being shadow minister for women, which is a fair point. i was asked, being shadow ministerfor women, i don't think you can do that, because you haven't got children. women make choices about their lives and whatever choices they make is fine and they should be represented. we are not... just mums. but being a mum is... you know one of the most wonderful things that people can to obviously. are you going to go back to broadcasting? the thing is, i've got to get a job, like anybody else who gives up theirjob, i don't have family money and my responsibility is to look after my mum and dad, rather than the other way around. i would love to go back into broadcasting, if i don't get my
dream job broadcasting, if i don't get my dreamjobi broadcasting, if i don't get my dream job i will have to get a less dream—likejob. dream job i will have to get a less dream-like job. good luck. i said you would have mags about the mattress. somebody said it adds a new meaning to being asleep at the wheel. roger says, sorry, new meaning to being asleep at the wheel. rogersays, sorry, i've new meaning to being asleep at the wheel. roger says, sorry, i've got to work late the office. my husband said we should give the bed a trial run. bbc news room live is next we are back tomorrow at ten. goodbye. it has been a misty and murky start, but we have had sunshine in eastern parts of scotland. further west we have more cloud and this rain moving its way to western areas. the rain
will move further east and push into northern england and the midlands and pep up a bit here. and in the meantime, further heavy rain will move into west wales and the south west of england later on. further east it is dry. a chilly day for many. maximum temperatures eight celsius. tonight, bands of rain will continue to move north and east and there could be snow over the higher ground in scotland. temperatures down to three or four. it is about this band of rain on thursday. still some uncertainty as to where it will end up. north wales and northern england into eastern england a lot of rain fall. further south brighter. some showers here and showers further north. bye for now.
this is bbc news i'm joanna gosling. the headlines at eleven. boris johnson visits buckingham palace for a meeting with the queen — marking the start of the election period. the conservative party launches its election campaign today, but this morning controversy continues over two conservative politica ns‘ comments on grenfell tower victims. they have caused a huge amount of hurt and pain for the people involved. i think they both recognise that and in the apologies that they have made they recognise that and i think were right to apologise. the green party promises to invest £100 billion a year for a decade to rid the uk of fossil fuels — as it launches its campaign. taking action on the climate emergency is notjust about
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