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looking for freedom. the preservation of human rights, the absolutely cannot be taken for granted. welcome, adam, joining us in brexitcast hq in westminster. there is an election but don't worry, we're still talking about lots of brexit stuff. how are you? i'm missing you because i know you don't want me to start singing only the lonely, i would love to have brenda from bristol is with me but i have boris the bear from berlin. nice to have some alliteration. because it is an election, it means one of us is in a car park
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and this week it is laura! it's me! i'm in a car park in darwin in lancashire and it's very cold but someone has bought me a cup of tea. enjoy this week's brexitcast. we are particularly reliant on the dover calais crossing. we are particularly reliant on the dover calais crossingi we are particularly reliant on the dover calais crossing. i met boris johnson once. dover calais crossing. i met boris johnson once. they are going to get it wrong again! remainers and levers, that will end well.” it wrong again! remainers and levers, that will end well. i can only describe it as a dog's brexit. hello, it is adam in brexitcast hq pointer and chris as well here. it is katya in brexitcast a second hq in brussels! and laura in a car park
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in lancashire and i have a real temptation because i'm in an edit van, to beep the horn. go for it! would you dare me? it was quite quiet, it was a little toot. if i get an asbo, i'm blaming you. and if any of us is talking too long, you can sound the horn and shut us up! that's a great idea. is brexit the horn that has not beeped in this so—called brexit election? discuss. it kind of has. has the election been about brexit in the first week, saying it in a smart way? it has alongside other stuff. it has, in the first few days, jeremy corbyn gave a speech about the labour brexit position. any time boris johnson gets
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near a microphone he is ready with his handy slogan of 'get brexit done.' so it is the backdrop to it all. i know we will talk about it in more detail later but has not yet become a huge source of the things that have driven the campaign even though there have been a lot of conversations about it. what the parties have discovered this week, as ever, is they are not really in control of events. what i noticed yesterday at boris johnson's first rally was it was all about his amazing brexit policy, he is the only one who can get it done and laying into labour for their policy. it seems from listening to things on the radio from the tories are trying to make brexit the solution to every problem in a way. i suppose they are saying, and it was written on the stand the prime minister was stood behind last night, get brexit done, to use the slogan, and i know that listeners are well aware that even if the uk leaves
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in the next few months, there is more brexit chat to come, but their argument is to get that done and then the other stuff can be a big part of the national conversation again because perhaps brexit will still be there with the discussion about the long—term arrangement but perhaps slip down the pecking order of discussion points in politics. that's right. brexit has been the biggest political, economic, torrid debate in the country for the last few years and the reason the tories are using that slogan is because of the contrast between the different policies. if boris johnson gets a majority, we will leave the eu in january. that is the government policy and if he is back in at number ten that is what he would do. but what the other parties are saying is that if you choose them, there is a path to another referendum and there might be brexit or there might not be or if you are the lib dems,
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you are absolutely going out and out to try and stop it. that is the contrast point in the election. voters have to choose. even though a lot of other things will come up in the campaign, the fundamental differences between how they would resolve brexit are at the core of the campaign. and even if the campaign gets completely blown off course and turned into discussions about other things, just as happened in 2017, the result on friday the 13th will be what determines what happens next in brexit. whether you like it or not, and i suppose our listeners may be do, orare interested in it, it is a brexit election at the beginning and the end but goodness knows what will happen in the middle. out came all this discussion about the remain alliance today, i don't think they like the word ‘pact‘, but the announcement from the lib dems and plaid cymru and the greens about them throwing their lot in in about 60 seats and fronting
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the strongest party's candidate. it is the kind of thing that gets some people excited but i was struck by two things with this story, one was the number of seats where they agreed to stand somebody down where there might have been a long—standing local candidate who is being told not to stand, and yet, and i doff my hat in the direction peter barnes our superb analyser, when you look at the numbers in terms of, for instance, how many votes at the greens got in a particular seat where they let the lib dems run — because outside of wales plaid cymru are not part of this conversation — the numbers are pretty small. and last time round, this time might be different, but last time round, those seats would actually have changed the result. it might have changed the maths, in none of those seats. it wouldn't actually have made any difference. it generates headlines and it is intriguing but might have no consequence.
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and it has already gone a bit wrong because i heard one candidate saying he is so annoyed he has been told to not stand so will run as an independent. oh no! maybe it has cancelled the assault out already. but it's interesting because one of the big questions about this election is the tories think they can win if they hold the leave vote together and suck up everybody who voted for brexit and the remain vote splits and fractures. if the lib dems and labour were to start working together, it would be transformational but there is no chance of that. as you said, it's one of these things, people get excited about it and we know people who want a second referendum are motivated voters but whether it will tip the balance, who knows? is it also possible that the brexit vote can be split because you might have labour voters who voted in favour brexit but remain loyal
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to the labour party or can't bring themselves to vote for the brexit party or the tory party and then you have 600 seats, sorry, 600 areas and that means it could be splitting the vote and taking it away from the conservatives as well. it is intriguing, the brexit party because while at various events that nigel farage has done he has been talking positively about taking the fight to the conservatives and labour and the rest a bit. locally, we are seeing a few examples of brexit party candidates saying, "i'm not sure this is the right thing to do." i was struck the other day at an event that they did when nigel farage said, "this is not brexit" to describe the johnson deal, there was polite applause but not a massive standing ovation. i thought there was an internal conversation still going on about whether, to answer your question, from their perspective it could have been counter—productive.
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totally right and a lot of tory mps are pushing back hard. it would have been big for borisjohnson, a big problem if members of the inner core of the eurosceptics — people like mark francois under steve baker — had been flirting with the brexit party but they have been pushing back hard. they reckon that if the brexit party does well, they might slip away altogether. but i wonder, were you suggesting nigel farage had over promised the political impact he might have, were you? he's never done that! i'm just going to take my tea bag out. we don't want it to be too strong! it could be disastrous! it's all very very strong and you could stand up a spoon it. you need it to be strong for the next five weeks! and with all the podcasting you are doing, everybody across the eu, they are looking at their new
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going to end up in parliament?" "what is it going to look like?" "will it be borisjohnson?" but it seems so unpredictable. you're not the only one with questions about this election! the bbc is calling the thing called your questions answered. if you go to the bbc website and type in your question, somebody famous from the bbc, such as us, will answer it! don't go that far! semi—famous, in their own homes. you can be the judge on that. thomas says... shall i have a crack at this? there is a big discussion for the conservatives and labour about whether they are being realistic about timeframes, both labour and that six month plan to renegotiate in three
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and have a referendum in six and the conservative idea of getting out of the eu legally by the end of january at the latest, but then securing the long—term deal by the end of the current transition period as set out in the withdrawal agreement by the end of 2020 and can you do that process which historically has taken a rather longer time than one year? you haven't answered the question yet. that's a side issue. how can the labour party claim... they can say they are going to do it. and the king's college constitution unit or some boffin, sorry if i've got the wrong ones. that sounded good. they say 2a weeks is the quickest you can do it because you have the you have the legislation passed and then you need time for the electoral machinery to gear up and for things like the campaigns
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to be designated and then you need to test the question which takes about ten weeks and you need a statutory period of campaigning which i think is about ten or 12 weeks. and as a side bar... you would need to get the eu to agree to reopen the withdrawal agreement and renegotiate in the three months because labour are saying three months and three months, renegotiate and then within six months have this referendum. again, we are back to the two—to—tango idea. you might have to chat with brussels. it is interesting that labour says they swear they can do it in that time because of the contact they have had with brussels and the contact keir starmer has had, the conversations they have had and they reckon they are sure they can do it but that said, it is an election and people promise all sorts of things. and actually, what happens next with brexit will be determined by which party gets the most bums on seats in the house of commons. both of the main parties have had some pretty crunchy times this week with some of the people they have
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selected to do that job. it is the traditional candidate car crash and particularly, because it is a snap election, people have been selected really quickly. and we have seen both on the labour side and the tory side some people with things they have said in the past emerging. particularly with social media, everybody is frantically googling anything everyone has ever said and both parties have had some real problems this week. and it's notjust the candidates who might have been selected five minutes ago who find themselves doing interviews they never did before, but people who we are rather familiar with, not least jacob rees—mogg, leader of the commons, appearing on lbc and talking about the grenfell fire. we can take a listen. if either of us were in a fire, whatever the fire brigade said, we would leave the burning building, itjust seems the common sense thing to do. it is such a tragedy that that did not happen.
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have the success lease got rid of this? it is one of those really misjudged statements that actually had a lot of cut through. it was everywhere and was very offensive to a lot of people. and i think it might well be one of the things that is remembered. it is still everywhere on social media. the artist stormzy, who is a supporter of the labour party, was furious about it and talked about it.
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it reminded me of oliver letwin, i think it was in 2005, who said something about big tax cuts or spending cuts and was told not to leave dorset until the campaign was over and i wonder if jacob rees—mogg might have a similar thing in terms of going back to somerset and staying there until new year's day. we have a special guestjoin us for the first time on brexitcast, although we have seen him on the airwaves, it is our media editor amol rajan. you have spent this week spanning the entire internet. i seem to spend
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my life doing it. rememberthe the entire internet. i seem to spend my life doing it. remember the days when you could follow campaign literature and pamphlets in the by—election and that was what the election was? mostly it happens online nowadays and there is a huge amount of activity online. both the viral stuff that gets shared, some of it during some not, lots of party ads. they've worked out that advertising off—line is slow and you can target people better online. a lot of activity in terms of ads, viral content, e—mails, and it is keeping us and everybody here at the bbc very very busy. have you got as any exhibits shows? some arguable ones. this caused a bit of a stair this week, the first one is a campaign video put out by the conservative party from their official twitter account which basically replayed, but in an edited way, an interview with keir starmer
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gave two good morning britain. this is the conservative video. why would the eu give you a good deal they know you're going to actively campaign against it? that is jaunty and uplifting music according to some people and it is notable because it is intended to show the silence of keir starmer. but if you watch or listen to the original video you will find that when peers morgan asks the question to sir keir starmer, he actually gives a response, check this out. why would the eu give you a good deal if they know you are going to actively campaign against it? peers, i have been talking to the eu, political leaders across the country is for three years and i know very well what the parameters are of any deal they would do with the labour government. with this stuff, the
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video gets widely shared and any kind of apology or explanation afterwards doesn't. this is the perennial challenge. if you draw attention to a falsehood, the nature of modern media campaigning, the nature of the internet, because a lot of the nuance doesn't cut through, quite often the original falsehood get seen more often by more people. the conservatives put that adopted video out and when it was pointed out by people like my brilliant bbc colleagues, what a young staffer did is put at the original keir starmer interview and said check it out, it is really funny. what they got was noise. what matters and digital campaigns these daysis matters and digital campaigns these days is not nuance, the efficacy of yourargument, it is days is not nuance, the efficacy of your argument, it is about creating noise. you're really putting a blitzkrieg through the airwaves and drowning people with this generalised message of what you try to convey for that i imagine some of the people i have been speaking to
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would say, actually we got caught out for doctoring a video, for some people at cc hq they would see it as a success people at cc hq they would see it as a success that we are talking about it. thank you and goodbye. thank you. see you soon. let's talk about ian austin. this was quite a moment. here's a guy who spent his lifetime in the party until february when he decided he didn't like jeremy corbyn. he was going to sit as an independent. he has been labour in allsorts of roles for years and yea rs. allsorts of roles for years and years. then he goes on the today programme and says this... the country faces a choice, there is only one man who can be prime minister, borisjohnson only one man who can be prime minister, boris johnson orjeremy corbyn. i thinkjeremy corbyn is unfit to lead the labour party for it comes to something when i tell peter to labour voters that they should vote for borisjohnson at this election. my life and i can't
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believe it has come to this. it was an astonishing thing to hear. now, there is no love lost between corbin and austin because they are from different sides of the labour party, austen quits the labour party not long ago and he has been sitting as an independent mp and is now stood down. the suggestion he is suddenly not a labour man is for the beds. ian preston was the press secretary to gordon brown, one of brown's e henchmen and for him to come to this conclusion and feel that he had to say this publicly is an astonishing journey to me. he is deeply unhappy about anti—semitism but also about jeremy corbyn's foreign policy positions. i was talking to some people about it today and it plays into this wider sense in the labour party that many people fear that many don't want to trust jeremy corbyn. it is notjust because he is
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trying to close down the anti—semitism problem, but it has been going on for years and yet the leadership is still again and again accused of not doing enough. it is really having a hard time grappling with this, some mps quit the party tojoin the lib dems, a jewish female mp, another decided to leave, margaret hodge, another jewish female mp, another decided to leave, margaret hodge, anotherjewish mp who has been furious at what he sees as corbyn's inability to deal with this. a minister said to me today it is the reason that people fear they don't want to trust jeremy corbyn. that is summary has been loyal to a man is still part of the team and on the doorsteps, they really worry that people just will not put their trust in him in enough numbers. we will see every day on this campaign lots of corbyn's really devoted fans and supporters, absolutely he has got one constituency absolutely behind him. but it is not the
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position that the labour party wants to be talking about. ian austin's departure, he is one man, he fell out with corbyn along time ago but it matters. labour mps worry, not mps any more, labour mps who want to come back as mps are really worried that some constituencies, it might make the difference between losing them or holding them because jewish vote rs them or holding them because jewish voters will not touch them with a bargepole. can i ask a question i am asked hearing on the european side? the eu is trained to imagine not just what kind of government is going to come out of this election, but what kind of parliament because parliament is going to have to eventually ratify a brexit deal if brexit is to happen. the question is, ian austin left a few months ago, tom watson, the deputy leader of labour has gone, he says it is for personal reasons but many think it is also to do with the fact that he believes his party is going in a
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certain direction, on the last podcast we talked about whether female merit mps were leaving the tory party ahead of this election. is it true that both parties are realigning here and moving the conservatives to the right and labour to the left? is it that clear—cut? labour to the left? is it that clear-cut? it is quite striking how on both sides when you talk to people within the two party folds, when they react to these kinds of moments, that they will each point to the fact that their party feels more united now than it did. in other words, those of a particular strand of you, whether it be the conservative conversation or the labour one, they are deciding to leave the stage and so the remainder are ofa leave the stage and so the remainder are of a small solidified perspective on a particular view for you see this in a funny way with any general election. when you suck because this, it is the opportunity
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for the leaders to make the party in their own image. part of it is natural and happens in every cycle, but it is the case that they are both becoming narrower churches to reverse the metaphor of being a broad church. it also talks to something that is going on in this election were both of the parties seem furtherapart, election were both of the parties seem further apart, both of the parties seem to have evolved, partly because of brexit court, partly for other reasons, and another in cannon we re other reasons, and another in cannon were saying that they had spoken to a labour memberon were saying that they had spoken to a labour member on the doorstep and told a story about how a voter said told a story about how a voter said to him, "i don't feel there is anyone in the middle." we don't know actually how the make—up of parliament will be in the end and there are lots of people in the labour party and the tory party who would very much see themselves as being the middle ground. but i think that people are feeling that and that people are feeling that and thatis that people are feeling that and that is so many people about, "i don't who to vote for this time." and the lib dems think there is a
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huge opportunity for them. and you will be seeing much more of us because every night on the bbc news channel at 8:30pm you will be seeing election cast, the election themed cousin of brexitcast. and on bbc sounds as a podcast. if you want to listen to any podcast on bbc sounds download the app on your phone and listen to us. minus me and boris the baling bear. but you will be back next thursday for a classic brexitcast. thank you everyone for joining us. enjoy your tea, laura. i didn't even get a chance to show you around my van. i have a case in the back and gear and the boots, i have stacks and everything. you didn't even ask me! i am definitely going to get an as bone as a don't ask me to get an as bone as a don't ask me to do it again. —— asbo now.
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for some of us this afternoon it is bleak, cold, dark and raining. not the case everywhere because in some pa rt the case everywhere because in some part of the country the sun is shining. how about this for an early taste of winter. this is in shropshire and we had some snow across parts of northern and mid wales as wealth of this evening, i think it is the rain and the really messy weather that is the story across central and southern areas of the uk. this is the weatherfront responsible for bringing this next dose of rain. we had rain a couple of days ago that caused all of the problems in northern england. this isa problems in northern england. this is a completely different weather system then the rain we had a couple of days ago. it is still causing problems and we still have severe flood warnings in south yorkshire.
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0n the river don,... but on this weather system we have more rain and southern england it is raining through hampshire, through to oxygen. you can see rain into the peak district as well and generally quite cloudy and murky and damp across many central and southern parts of england and wales through the night. it is nothing to be frosty here, you can see the green colours above zero around three to 6 degrees, but in scotland this coming night it is going to bejust as degrees, but in scotland this coming night it is going to be just as cold as last night. it dipped down to —7 in the highlands. it is remembrance sunday and we have plenty of fine weather in store and we are really just getting away with it. the next riverfront rears its head here but for most of us it is a case of bright and sunny weather, a bit of mist and merck in the morning but thatis mist and merck in the morning but that is about it. we are watching this weather front which will bring rain to northern ireland, and then
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overnight into monday, you can see there is some snow falling across there is some snow falling across the highlands. you on the weather map, you can see these lines here, the isobars, the wind follows the isobars and you can see where the wind is coming from. this is thejet strea m wind is coming from. this is thejet stream pushing in the cold air from the northern went into our direction. this pattern is here to stay for the next week also. we are going to stay pretty cold for the next week or so. blustery winds expected on monday, frequent showers in the north of the uk, blustery, but are dry and brighter in the south and east of the uk. so the headline for the weekend is ahead no change, it will stay on the cold side, to wrap up warmly.
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this is bbc news. i'm shaun ley. the headlines at three... the conservatives lay out plans to train and employ thousands more gps, despite failing to meet a previous recruitment target. labour and the liberal democrats promise more hours of free child care, but providers are sceptical overfunding. the environment agency says flooding still poses a danger to life in south yorkshire, with seven severe flood warnings in place along the river don. angela merkel leads events in germany to mark 30 years since the fall of the berlin wall and urges people to stand up forfundamental values. translation: the values of europe, rule of law, the preservation of human rights, they absolutely cannot be taken for granted.


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