tv Victoria Derbyshire BBC News November 13, 2019 10:00am-11:01am GMT
dance? they probably wouldn't dance. very formal, not suit. a suit to a dance? they probably wouldn't dance. very formal, not a lit. a suit to a dance? they probably wouldn't dance. very formal, not a great suit to a dance? they probably wouldn't dance. very formal, not a great look. i a dance? they probably wouldn't dance. very formal, not a great look. let house party. not a great look. let me read the messages before you carry on. one viewer says this will be the strangest election. in the past voters have chosen their mp on the candidate they like and trust the candidate they like and trust the best. but this could be the hello. it's wednesday. first general election where people it's 10 o'clock. vote for the candidate they dislike, i'm victoria derbyshire. distrust and detest the least. i what do you make of our political leaders? what are the main factors driving have always said the best politician how you intend to vote? the man or woman in the street can the climate? brexit? hope for is the one that does the the economy? least damage. sheila says i normally the nhs? like your programme, so why are today, we're trying something there no pensioners in your group? we don't reckon has been tried live on tv before — don't we count any more? sorry, a live focus group, sheila. stuart says i will be voting just like political parties use, for borisjohnson after being a with a selection of voters labour party member for a0 years. from all over the country, from different backgrouds for borisjohnson after being a labour party memberfor a0 years. i not trustjeremy corbyn. his figures and of different ages. do not add up. and alan says, the they've been chosen by a specialist research agency britain thinks. system of launching manifestos is so on a scale of 1—10, how excited were you when broken because in almost every case, the election was called? they are rarely adhered to. this is what they told us. shall we imagine how we might feel about the results? i want you all to
i cannot wait to ask why you are on shut your eyes and imagine that it is several weeks from now. ten! there's got to be a good reason. it's the day after the election and we've got politicians in our green room you wake up and you put on bbc news, watching the focus group, we'll get their reaction at the end. wherever you are in the country, obviously. and you hear the you can get involved too. following result. tell me how you use the hashtage victoria live feel. so you switch on and you hear and send us an email — email@example.com and text 61124. that the labour party have won an overall majority. how do you feel? first the news with annita. two despair. anxious. sick. ready for change. exactly. iagree. ifeel like it's quite hopeful. that labour will promise today to spend comment about who can do the least £6 billion a year more on the nhs in england than the conservatives damage, for me, what i have said if it wins the general election. about students and things like that, it's proposing to bring back bursaries for student nurses, that would benefit me and other and expand mental health services students if they were in power. and the number of gp william, how would you feel?”
training places. the government has set an annual budget of £149 students if they were in power. william, how would you feel? i think i would feel that if it was an billion by 2023 but overall majority, i would feel labour says it'll spend an additional £26 billion relieved that we could finally get things through the house instead of in real terms by then. having to be a coalition and arguing a former conservative mp all the time. stick your hand up if who was a leading member of theresa may's cabinet has criticised the party, saying a tory majority after the election would lead you think you would feel broadly to a very hard brexit and be bad for the country. positive at the idea? the idea of david gauke, who stepped down asjustice secretaryjust before labour having an overall majority. borisjohnson became prime minister, has confirmed that he's standing as an independent candidate. stick your hand up if you feel broadly negative. wishy-washy. if it later today the prime minister will be giving his first key—note speech of the campaign, promising to end what he calls the ‘groundhoggery‘ of brexit if he secures a majority. was a conservative majority, you may more military personnel have been drafted in to help in parts of northern england have been watching the bbc one and the east midlands election special through the night hit by flooding. more than a thousand acres or you may not. but if it was a of farmland in lincolnshire has been submerged, after a river conservative majority, how would you burst its banks, and 20 flood warnings remain in place feel? i would feel quite happy. i in south yorkshire
though none are considered would feel bad. i think! a danger to life. feel? i would feel quite happy. i would feel bad. i think i would feel the uk inflation rate fell to 1.5% the same to my last answer. you in october from 1.7% the would feel relieved. because you are previous month. looking for a decisive result.” the consumer prices index figure wa nt was eased by utility price falls, looking for a decisive result.” want to go, get out, because i voted helped by a lowering leave. i want to get it done. it is of the energy price cap. however this was partially offset by rising clothing prices. three years and an extension after extension. ijust ajury in auckland has been shown cctv of a man, three years and an extension after extension. i just want three years and an extension after extension. ijust want it finished. voted to remain, but if the accused of murdering a british backpacker, pushing a suitcase said conservative government had an to contain her body. overall majority and they could finally settle this and get us back grace millane died on the night together, i would before her 22nd birthday finally settle this and get us back together, iwould be happy. while travelling in new zealand. finally settle this and get us back the man who cannot be named together, iwould be happym finally settle this and get us back together, i would be happy. if it was a labour majority, you said you would be fine because at least it for legal reasons denies murder. was a decision and they are saying they would go back to brussels and the italian city of venice has been renegotiate their own brexit deal hit by severe flooding and then there would be another after the highest tide in more referendum. they would put their than 50 years. deal and remain to the people. how saint mark's square was under would you feel about that? at the a metre of water last night. tourists were seen wading beginning of the programme, you said through waterlogged streets. you had had enough of elections and the mayor warned the floods would referenda. i would be fed up with leave permanent damage to the city.
that, another one. but labour have always said they would take it back that is the summary of the main to the people. someone said earlier stories this morning, back to you, victoria. from venice to stainforth in south that we didn't know exactly what we yorkshire where the prime minister is currently touring flooded we re that we didn't know exactly what we were getting told. so i think that communities, you can see him talking toa would give people more of a chance communities, you can see him talking to a representative from the environment agency. uk military to realise what they want to do. but personnel as well wandering back and we have already had an election for forth behind him and sandbags. the leave or remain, so we should stand conservatives and borisjohnson have been criticised by some of the with the one from 2016. let me bring residents in the region and rival daniel in. you had quite a negative politicians for not doing enough. you will know there was that reaction to labour winning, you said emergency meeting yesterday to you felt sick. i feel sick for discuss the flooding situation. you can see the sandbags behind him as he is talking to the environment myself, my friends, family and religion. i also feel sick because agency representative. he is in sta i nfo rth agency representative. he is in stainforth this morning in south it would mean nicola sturgeon would yorkshire. get a scotland independence we're trying something that hasn't referendum in scotland would become been tried on live tv before independent, which again is bad to get a sense of how because then you would have to you are feeling about this election, what you want it to be about, and what you think of our political leaders.
we've brought together people leaves. the uk is better when it is who haven't made up their minds about how they are going to vote. together. would you be worried? now private focus groups are used by all political parties well, i like nicola sturgeon and i to find out what's really like a lot of what she stands for. going on in the heads of voters. this group have been selected by the research the idea of scotland standing with agency britain thinks, which specialises in running focus groups. the eu, and england being on their own, i live in scotland, so... good morning, everybody, thank you for coming on the programme. before i took to the politicians, it everyone here is currently undecided may have cost not be a majority about how they are going to vote government. it could be another hung in this election, apart from one who literally decided last night how they are going to vote. parliament, without saying whether it isa parliament, without saying whether it is a conservative or labour big party. how would you feel with a that was william. that is the gods hung parliament? everyone is honest truth? yes. you were looking sighing. i wouldn't mind. at party websites? labour and let -- hung parliament? everyone is sighing. iwouldn't mind. but! hung parliament? everyone is sighing. iwouldn't mind. but i have spoken to others and i don't think it isa spoken to others and i don't think it is a good idea. there should be a lib dems, i had to make my mind up andi lib dems, i had to make my mind up and i was reading policies last penalty shoot out. it wasn't clear, night. apart from william, everyone is undecided. in the recent past people in this
group have voted for labour, ukip, what would you think?” the conservatives, the snp, the lib dems and penalty shoot out. it wasn't clear, what would you think? i would be exhausted. i would feel like i was some have been too young to vote until now. about to go through a process of they're aged between 18 and 62. learning all over again. there is no and they roughly reflect the way the country as a whole voted in the brexit referendum, cohesion when that happens. if the although were some were too young to vote, and someone else country can't come together and make didn't vote in the eu ref. a solid decision to have one party deborah mattinson from britain thinks is going to conduct the focus group just leading, something is clearly and we've got politicians from labour, conservative wrong. it is a mess. boris johnson and the lib dems watching the voters in an outside has set as a result of the reception room just next door. he got in south yorkshire earlier, we'll spend the last few minutes which we saw on the programme, he getting their reaction to what they've heard. has now said he is going to do more to help people, just to let you deborah, before we start, can you briefly explain how you've know. thank you for giving up your chosen the voters here? mornings. i'm going to find out what the politicians thought. there are some cynics on twitter, we let's go to our green room and talk don't mind cynicism. explain how you have selected them. the fact that to labour's lucy powell and ed they are genuinely undecided apart from william. but he was until va izey to labour's lucy powell and ed vaizey from the conservatives and tom brake from the liberal yesterday genuinely undecided! we democrats.
run these kind of focus group you have some croissant and coffee to keep you going. your immediate sessions for clients all the time gut reaction to what you have heard? down the country. we have a network i wasn't surprised that the nhs came of specialist recruiters all around across as the biggest issue and that the country, and for any given project we decide what sort of brexit was also in the mix. there is people we want in the room, we give them a questionnaire and they go out a connection between the two. from a and find them. in this instance we lib dem perspective, wrecks it is wa nted and find them. in this instance we wanted people from all around the country who were undecided how they something that damages us and means we re there is less tax available to pay country who were undecided how they were going to vote and whose own voting background were quite for public services and that impacts different. some people voted one way on the nhs. quite a few didn't know oi’ different. some people voted one way or another, both in recent elections whojo on the nhs. quite a few didn't know who jo swinson on the nhs. quite a few didn't know whojo swinson was. that must be and also in the referendum. so a worrying. she is the newest leader out of the three, and she has work real cross—section and as you can see, it's a very good cross section in terms of age, backgrounds, and so to do during the campaign. part of the general election campaign will on. it's a real mix, we wanted to help to boost her profile. these are have a taste of opinion in britain some live pictures of her in a boxing ring. remind me never to do at the moment. i think that is what we have done listening to what people are feeling. to confirm, apart from william, we will say this that photo up. we need people to apart from william, we will say this a lot, apart from william, the rest know what the lib dems stand for. it
of you, you don't know how you're is not just about stopping going to vote yet. great. that know what the lib dems stand for. it is notjust about stopping brexit, but other things like ensuring that doesn't mean to say that they don't mental health services matched have opinions because i have been physical health services. it was listening already and there are some quite strong views. if we could interesting. there was not a huge amount that i didn't know already. start againjust quite strong views. if we could start again just recapping. but i feel positive after hearing we asked people on a scale of one to that. i think that people want change. and i think that what labour ten, how did you feel when there was going to be an election, show your is offering at this election is real cards. it is interesting. a real change. the fact that the nhs and public services are very high on mix, we have a ten and a nine, and people's agenda is positive for the then a one and two down there. five, labour party. some nice things were somebody on the fence. can i ask you said about jeremy as well. and some why you are a tent? why were you not great things as well. somebody quite excited? personally i wasn't said, iam not great things as well. somebody said, i am not sure not great things as well. somebody said, iam not sure i not great things as well. somebody able to vote in the last election so said, i am not sure i would feel safe. obviously, the jewish member of that focus group, i have a huge the opportunity to vote now is pretty exciting for me. you were not amount of sympathy with. i am sorry able to vote because? pretty exciting for me. you were not able to vote because ?|j that they feel that way and we are pretty exciting for me. you were not able to vote because? i was too young. you are looking forward to taking other we can. but i do voting for the first time. norman, you were a nine. to get rid of the understand there will be difficulty for the jewish community. but there
hung parliament and get some way we re for the jewish community. but there were a for the jewish community. but there we re a lot for the jewish community. but there were a lot of positives for the change agenda we are offering and the more that people see and hear of forward on brexit. some jeremy and our policies, like in the decisiveness. so you see it as a la st jeremy and our policies, like in the last election, we will be able to real opportunity? yes. william, you come from behind and surprise people. and get a majority? that is we re what we are hoping for. and it is real opportunity? yes. william, you were two. you are gloomy to think about the prospect of the election? totally possible. what you saw was yes, just fed up with the amount of elections that we are having to go that it totally possible. what you saw was thatitis totally possible. what you saw was that it is very volatile, very fluid. most people are undecided, so through, referendum and elections. what makes you feel fed up? they are it is all to play for. i thought it happening too frequently. they are was it is all to play for. i thought it was brexit dominated, but in a subtle way in terms of the not getting things sorted. we are relationship between the public and their politicians. an enormous supposed to elect people for five amount of frustration, effectively years, and we are constantly doing it. we only had an election two blaming the politicians for not making a decision. so emerging from years ago. the exact same thing. a the undercurrent was that they want snap election. so we're just up. a decisive decision at this that's that. —— we were just fed up. election. so that might skew the way people vote. the 2017 election surprised everyone by moving off brexit on issues like social care, you were the lowest score, why was
which famously torpedoed the tory campaign. ididn't which famously torpedoed the tory campaign. i didn't get the sense at that? i have a lot of trust issues this stage that health or crime were going to dominate, but we have a few with the newer deal. boris johnson's weeks to go, so that may still agreement? yes, it doesn't seem like the best deal for us. happen. quite a few said the nhs was agreement? yes, it doesn't seem like the best dealfor us. i agreement? yes, it doesn't seem like the best deal for us. i actually didn't vote for the referendum but a big deal. you just don't know. my ifi didn't vote for the referendum but if i had the chance to, i would have picked something in the middle, husband is an a&e doctor and the nhs which they didn't give us an option and a&e have been under huge for, leave but remain close allies pressure already and we have not with the eu. like norway, for even hit winter yet. they're having an election at a time when there example. what was it which put you could be a flu crisis, we have seen off having another election? the effect the floods have had on example. what was it which put you off having another election7m this election in terms of the feels like deja vu, same thing over empathy shown by the leaders, or the and overagain, to feels like deja vu, same thing over and over again, to be fair. itjust lack of embarrassed's case. and i doesn't feel helpful. it feels like think the nhs could become a bigger it's about brexit again. will you issue. and you hope it will. i don't vote ? it's about brexit again. will you vote? i am certain i will be voting but i'm not sure who, to be fair. hope it will, because i don't want a you are sort of in the middle here crisis to have to make it part of with five, why were you sitting on the election. but public services should be at the centre. the fence? i'mjust, you know, i'm very confused at the moment. i feel
like a lot of big promises are being interestingly, i hope your package about the prime minister visiting sort of said and i really don't the funds will generate issue in think that these politicians can another big issue which the lib dems keep to these promises and i feel wa nt to another big issue which the lib dems want to see are central to the like it's dragged on way too long campaign, which is the issue of now. there's lots of arguing. i feel climate change and how we tackle that. no one mentioned climate like when it comes on the tv, it's change. well, i am surprised, actually a bit of a comedy sketch at because that is an issue that is coming across. the flooding is a the moment if i'm honest. it's really just the moment if i'm honest. it's reallyjust all the promises that i reallyjust all the promises that i really don't think they're going to concrete example of the impact of be able to stick to. it's very climate change where we need to make that investment. we would dedicate worrying is. do other people feel this thing about politicians not £5 billion to make sure the flood defences are there. and we would put behaving that well? there's a lot of money money into defra so that they noise and nobody is really getting to the point of what we need are could put money into the environment making it happen. lots of smear campaigns, lots of bad mouth and agency, the body that looks at flood protection and ensures it is each other and it's like, you have a adequate. there were descriptions of job to do. we need action. i'm on various leaders as animals. boris the fence as well, i echo dominique. johnson was a labrador, a placid dog, a lion. jeremy corbyn was a what number did you choose? you were mermaid. i liked the mermaid one! five as well. i also asked you to write down some words about what you that is what jeremy has done think is at stake when you think mermaid. i liked the mermaid one! that is whatjeremy has done in previous campaigns. he gives people about the election. what did you
put? i put democracy, economy, and hope that things can be better.” trust. i put democracy because i feel like everyone has said, it's wondered if she meant that it is all been dragging on. when we eventually a fantasy. no, ithink get to brexit and having to leave, they're not going to keep calling up wondered if she meant that it is all a fantasy. no, i think when she described it a bit more, she said votes every second, they can't that people are looking for that. decide, all they want our opinion on something, they will end up making the decision and we will have to be sorry, we have run out of time. left to deal with its consequences. thank you to all of you. we are back i put trust, because again, like tomorrow at ten. dominique said, just promises. is that going to happen? you have said that going to happen? you have said that if we vote for you, that will happen and then did we waste a vote? it was a cold and for some of us in the eu referendum, you mean? yeah, more like on the election. so frosty start to the day today. there isa frosty start to the day today. there is a good deal of dry and bright weather to be had for central and if we vote for this party, are they eastern areas, variable amounts of going to go through with everything flab, but good spells of sunshine. a they said or should we have voted scattering of showers for northern for something else which was probably more likely to happen? have parts of scotland ahead of this band any of you picked up anything, the of cloud and rain that is working campaign has now been under way for into the south—west. the rain could
a little while, anything that you be persistent and heavy at times. have spotted, that has struck you?” temperatures are not feeling warm. wonder if this election is not tonight we held onto that rain and really about the election itself. it's starts to pivot. it could be it's another referendum, hidden persistent for southern parts of wales, turning to snow over higher under the guise of an election. so ground, eventually working further really it's about brexit again south and east. if you showers are rather than a wider election? yeah. being carried in on the brisk north—easterly breeze, and we could would you approve? no, because we see as patches in north—east scotland. tomorrow we still have have been deceived by borisjohnson, that heavy and persistent rain at he is telling us one thing and doing times, gradually pushing north. it something completely different. it's could move into areas that have seen a shame that the country has gone issues with flooding. ahead of it, through this. what did you put ads brighter and sunny spells and a few being at stake? nhs, social care and showers. behind it, the risk of sharp showers as well and again, it our liberty, freedom to choose. looking cool. liberty, what do you mean? they have put these people in charge of our lives, and we trust them and in return we have been deceived, we have been told something told something different. we are all voting, they going to really give us our wishes? they will say, yes, yes,
yes, and on the day when we have you're watching bbc newsroom live — chosen somebody, two weeks' time, or it's11am and these are the main six months down the line, it's all stories this morning: change. it doesn't matter who you labour is pledging to outspend the conservatives on the nhs in england. vote for. let's talk about policies, that's really crucial in this. we're live at the royal society of medicine in central london where labour absolutely. what we asked you to do is due to unveil its nhs spending plans. at the beginning was think about the prime minister is visiting flood—hit south yorkshire where locals heckled him different policy areas and set some as he arrived... priority areas. shout out to a top priority, anyone, when we talk about you take your time, burris, haven't the policies? nhs. nhs. stick your you? where have you been? -- hand up if you voted nhs. quite a more service personnel are drafted in to help in parts of northern lot of you. you didn't, what did you england and the east midlands hit by flooding. mrjohnson has faced criticism from other parties over his response to the floods. put? brexit, one way or another. david gauke — the former conservative cabinet minster — warns a conservative victory stick your hand up if you said could pave the way to a "very hard brexit". brexit. that's quite interesting. only four of you have put brexit as the main thing at stake but grant thinks that might be what the
election is really about. what other subjects, what did you put? i put the nhs as a top one because i am working for the nhs at the moment. so for me, i want to be working in an environment which is well funded, andl an environment which is well funded, and i think for everyone, their health is the most priority in their life. what do you do? i work as a health care assistant for the nhs. i work ina health care assistant for the nhs. i work in a mental health setting where we are currently underfunded and need more funding for more resources to treat patients and that's not really happening at the moment. and what is the manifestation of the underfunding? is it not enough staff, is it waiting times? a mixture of everything, low staffing levels, not ina funding, everything, low staffing levels, not in a funding, yeah. waiting times. what did you put? i put the nhs as well for the same reasons. did you put anything other than the nhs over that your main focus? obviously,
there is the immigration and the effect that has on the nhs. a lot of people are worried about that. they are worried obviously that there's going to be a flooding of immigrants to the country, and that will mean that the social groups, the social housing, there will be a lot of pressure. so you put immigration as well as a concern. with health and the nhs. you see them as quite related? i think that's what people are worried about. i am not so concerned about it to be honest. but i think it's something we're worried about. what the effect will have on our social... social society. what did you put, anna? i also put the nhs and health as priority. i feel like it's such a fundamental great system, and it needs the resources
so system, and it needs the resources so desperately. and a lot of politicians are saying it's a priority, and not delivering. how would you know, what would make you trust them? i'd say some sort of more concrete evidence as to how they would use these large vast budgets that they are promising to pledge towards the nhs. get more of a breakdown. can i read some m essa 9 es a breakdown. can i read some messages from viewers watching and listening around the country? this one says, i will not be voting at all this time. as a 59—year—old, i have heard of the things they have been saying before and nothing came of it. so no vote from me. david says, all the leaders are a waste of space, no one says, all the leaders are a waste of space, no one can be says, all the leaders are a waste of space, no one can be trusted any more. let's a coalition. lee says, i won't be voting, why should we vote if we are not listened to? it seems like another way to delay very —— brexit again. we are still in the
eu, what's to say we will be listened to on the 12th of december? this one says, i want a new, better, unbiased party which encourages entrepreneurship and allows us to keep assets for the wider society. this says, we are all bored witless with the election, politicians, and the media banging on about it, i would prefer to watch laurel and hardy, which may give away their age! that is your point. let's dig deeper about some policy areas. the things that you seem to be most interested in talking about is brexit and the nhs. how clearly you feel about what the main parties policies are on how confident do you feel that you know what they stand for? not clear at all. more confused than anything else. they have set out their cases, sorry. conservatives, we know they want to
go, they have shed their mps who we re go, they have shed their mps who were not toeing the party line. they we re were not toeing the party line. they were sitting on the fence, trying to keep everyone happy. liberal democrats have promised to remain an nicola sturgeon isjust really trying to use any opportunity she can to get independence for scotland. any advance on that, anybody else any detail on how they are different? i think going into that, it's another thing where loads of people that don't have much information and understanding, i think like it would be nicer, because when they first held the first referendum, no one understood what was, not many people understood what was, not many people understood what going was to happen and the consequences, and it was like, it was more like, ok, we're going to leave but then it was like, what happens if we leave, what other follow—ups? ok, if we stay, what does that mean? we just had this big vote. i think it was more just
giving people more of an understanding. ididn't giving people more of an understanding. i didn't know some of those policies that you just said. just being able to confident understand where we are, that's why i put brexit first, to understand what's going on. we were chatting earlier and he was saying, i hope you don't mind me saying, that you did vote you don't mind me saying, that you d id vote leave you don't mind me saying, that you did vote leave but perhaps picking up did vote leave but perhaps picking up on reece's point, you didn't know much on that point. in the last referendum i voted for leave but if it would happen today, i would vote remain. back then i was not educated. it was the first time you had voted? yeah, i was not really informed at the time. i think i was just promoting that it was going to be an independent country and it would be great britain with our own rules. now i have changed my mind completely about it. the others, have others changed their mind or are most of you still... i was a
firm remain and still and are most of you still... i was a firm remain and stilland —— i still am, really, but you need to get it settled one way or another. you would support leaving to get it settled ? would support leaving to get it settled? very reluctantly. it was the biggest mistake that mr cameron made, calling for the referendum. the biggest mistake that mr cameron made, calling forthe referendum. if i had made, calling forthe referendum. if ihada made, calling forthe referendum. if i had a time capsule to go back and say, david, think about this. don't do it! but we are where we are. most of you were saying that you were rather that the election was focused on the nhs. however, it is going to be quite a bit about brexit. what else would you like to hear from the politicians before you vote on brexit? how about you?” politicians before you vote on brexit? how about you? i put crime down as well because i think that such a big thing, with all the knife crime now. having a young son of nine, i crime now. having a young son of nine, lam petrified, him growing
crime now. having a young son of nine, i am petrified, him growing up and it's really scary, it's really scary at the moment and i really wa nt scary at the moment and i really want them to be focusing... do you feel it has got worse? definitely. quite a lot of people are nodding. there so much knife crime. it's horrible to bring your children up now. it's really important to me. do you think politicians focus on it enough? at the moment, ijust don't know. i just enough? at the moment, ijust don't know. ijust feel like so many different things are being said. a lot of promises, being made. ijust don't know, ijust don't trust anyone at the moment and i'm very, very on the fence, very confused. sorry to interrupt, do those promises go in order they end up washing over you? —— do those policies go in, or the today end up washing over view? they end up washing over view? they end up
washing over view? they end up washing over me, it is a comedy sketch like i said, my son comes in and mimics... what does he do! no! it has become a big thing to him now, brexit, a child as young as nine, it's been going on for so long. reallyjust goes over my head now. i'm really undecided. i guess, i don't know. i really don't know. i don't know what would make me make my decision now. it also seems a bit ofa my decision now. it also seems a bit of a joke. all the arguing, just come believe... that is politics for you. what is your... i put tolerance and diversity. things that are at sta ke and diversity. things that are at stake in the election? yes, i'm quite worried. i'm jewish and a lot of my friends and family are very worried about the labour party, the state it is in at the moment. the fa ct state it is in at the moment. the fact that the leader will not stand had anti—semitism and the european
court of human rights is investigating it. that is worrying because they have enough ground to investigate it. the last time they investigated a party with the british national party which was inherently racist. that is my number one concern, everyone is equal and should be friends, i want everyone to be happy together and i don't wa nt to be happy together and i don't want to be living in a country where i feel unwelcome. do you feel unwelcome now? i feelvery concerned about the result of the election. even though labour would say they have a long list of things that they have a long list of things that they have done... a lot of mps had to leave the labour party because of anti—semitism, that's very worrying. sticking with brexit for a minute, if he were prime minister, what we do —— if you were promised, what would you do about brexit now? -- prime minister. i would call another referendum and i would be one of the results to be that it would be remain. i don't think it was necessary at the time to call it in the first place and i think a lot of
people voted to leave voted on ignorance and the policies that the parties sold to people, there wasn't enough information so people were not informed. i think the younger generation were not well informed to make a vote that they understood what they were doing. a lot of people that are voting to leave or did vote to leave, it was ignorance and not necessarily going to affect them because of the age that they are. younger people, it's important for them to know what is going on and the impact it will have. i think migration was a big thing it was sold on. that was for people to leave the eu. actually, migration is big thing for great britain and a lot of great britain was founded on migration. can i ask leave voted, did you know what you are voting for? yeah. not really. what was it, william? i voted leave for taking our borders back, making our own
rules, laws, not having europe dictates what we do. we are a great nation, we were a great nation before joining the european union. and we can be a great nation afterwards. when you hear somebody like monique saying, i don't think people knew what you are voting for, what does that make you feel?‘ little bit upset, because i've got my own mind, i knew what i voted to vote for. some of the points were correct, the information given out was bad, but that was because it's never been done before. nobody left the eu. so it's all new. i'm going to move things on if i may. it's fascinating to hear you discuss this so far, i'm aware that some of you haven't said much so we will make sure you get a chance, don't worry. i want to show you this from the prime minister's tour from parts of
south yorkshire. i want to see what you think of it. apparently he not had the better reception from some residents. let's have a watch at what happened a few moments ago. you took your time, boris, what happened a few moments ago. you took yourtime, boris, haven't what happened a few moments ago. you took your time, boris, haven't you? well, we've been all around the country. is there anything you would like us to do? no thank you. you have got everything you need. yes, we have been doing relief since saturday. down at central resource centre, it's been a real struggle, we had no one helping us. i'm very sorry about that. we didn't know where to start, we just use common sense, basically. getting things through. everything has gone through to fishlake. thank you very much. the community has been fantastic.
i'm very grateful, is anything more that i can do to help? go down to the resource centre, they are crying out for help. what sort of help they need exactly? i think it's more or less coming a little bit too late now. some of you chuckled at the end. tell us what you think about that interaction between prime minister and residents who have had a nightmare over the last few days? absolute farce. he shouldn't need to ask them what they need. he can see the situation, he knows what's going on, he should be more involved and he should know what the current state is and be able to contribute more than asking, what you need? what would you say?” more than asking, what you need? what would you say? i think you're right. he's in that situation so he surely knows what people need. i think people are just let down by him, they don't feel they can trust
what he says. what would you say, anna? i think it's good that he is present in the local area, but he needs to be more proactive. he is aware of the situation, he needs to act sooner. by proactive, you don't meanjust turning act sooner. by proactive, you don't mean just turning up and turning act sooner. by proactive, you don't meanjust turning up and turning to people, you mean declaring it a national emergency, so that unlocks funding and all the rest of it, or what? he needs to make clear decisions about how to help people who are asking clearly, crying out for help. and stick to his words and stick to his decisions instead of eve ryo ne stick to his decisions instead of everyone going back and forth and discussing it and having another discussion about a discussion. he's got people in place, in yorkshire, find out from them what they need. whatever they need, get it done. so when he gets there, they have this done, this done, are you ok? they go on asking, that's not good. how does he come over in this setting. it's a
big test with a politician. he annoying people, the way —— he is annoying people, the way —— he is annoying people, the way —— he is annoying people, people would be more annoyed than please. it's like he's present but not actually present. he's there, but he's not really there. they said they needed help, you're asking, what can i do? i've told you i need help. it's like, i don't have to explain it, it'sjust like, i don't have to explain it, it's just disappointing. he like, i don't have to explain it, it'sjust disappointing. he can't empathise or sympathise. he was on friday and he picked up a mop, he didn't go again, would he be criticised not being there?” didn't go again, would he be criticised not being there? i have a different view, he's trying to show compassion but he is not very good at it. why do you think that is? he just sounds like he's trying to actually help, if that makes sense. he could have just not gone, he could have just gone on twitter and wrote a little message but he
actually went there and tried to help. people will see it in different ways. i feel like he did try. i think he was on a hiding to nothing. any politician would hate to be in that situation. he has to show his face but you can tell how uncomfortable he was. sticking with borisjohnson, playing the game of if he was an animal, we asked you what animal he would be. anybody feel like volunteering what they put? for boris johnson, i put that he is like an eagle. because sometimes the stuff that he says and doesjust goes sometimes the stuff that he says and does just goes straight for it. sometimes the stuff that he says and doesjust goes straight for it. so quite focused? he is focused on what he wants but not what everyone else around him once. he is very
one—sided. around him once. he is very one-sided. can we go around each of you to say which animal you set for borisjohnson? you to say which animal you set for boris johnson? then we you to say which animal you set for borisjohnson? then we will get through the other leaders.” borisjohnson? then we will get through the other leaders. i put a lion. penguin. why? they push other penguins into the water in case there is a predator like a shark. i feel like he tries to put the blame on someone else before him. fox. a monkey. a lion. also a lion. two a bear. labrador. grizzly bear. polar bear. labrador. grizzly bear. polar bear. he wouldn't be too sorry with some of these, they are quite powerful and strong. and they have done the same exercise forjeremy corbyn. camel. because he has such a
load on his back. he is carrying a heavy load at the moment, and he is quite a nice person. comes across well, liberal views. he quite a nice person. comes across well, liberalviews. he seems quite a nice person. comes across well, liberal views. he seems to wa nt well, liberal views. he seems to want the best for people. like a camel, but with a heavy load.” want the best for people. like a camel, but with a heavy load. i put a cat. 's loss. stoked. i put a lion. forjeremy corbyn and boris johnson? no, jeremy corbyn. i put a chicken. i was undecided again. i have two, one being a rat, which isn't a nice thing to say, and another being a rabbit because i can imagine him freezing in the headlights. and not being able to back up anything. i'm not the biggest fan. i labrador. giraffe.
lion. goat. mermaid. forjeremy corbyn? i have never had a mermaid before. because he is a fantasy kind of character that quite a few people wa nt of character that quite a few people want to believe is true and have a lot of hope in. when i said mermaid, ican imagine lot of hope in. when i said mermaid, i can imagine a little kid and sa nta. i can imagine a little kid and santa. someone that you want to hope is true. it's a nice thing. positive thing. and what about jo swinson? cani thing. and what about jo swinson? can i speed this up a bit?” thing. and what about jo swinson? can i speed this up a bit? i know some people didn't put anything.” didn't put an animal down because i wasn't sure who they were. anybody else not sure? does that mean you're
not sure who jo swinson else not sure? does that mean you're not sure whojo swinson is? that is interesting. that is about half the group. i put a kitten. she is learning something new, so give her time to go into politics and then from her own opinions so people get to know who she is and what she is about. i put a bush baby, nocturnal, big eyes. nobody is sure where she coming from. nocturnal? she is in the shadows. she is so new to leadership. i put elephant, because she feels like the elephant in the room. everyone is looking at her like, what is she doing here? nicola sturgeon, let's move on to her.” put a red squirrel, because she is quite resourceful. i put lion s. i
put meerkat because she is always on the lookout for anything she can bend towards getting independence.” put leopard. i put horse. iwasn't sure. didn't know enough to decide. i agree with the squirrel.” sure. didn't know enough to decide. i agree with the squirrel. i put a dog. lioness. i didn't i agree with the squirrel. i put a dog. lioness. ididn't put i agree with the squirrel. i put a dog. lioness. i didn't put one. cat. if you lionesses, which i'm sure she would be pleased with. nigel farage? donkey. ijust don't like him or what he stands for. i think he is a divisive character and i don't respect that. i put rhino. lizard. i didn't have an animal. a wolf in
sheep's clothing. i put an elephant. so did i. a weasel. a dog. i have got weasel as well. i put baboon. i put a got weasel as well. i put baboon. i puta bird. got weasel as well. i put baboon. i put a bird. any particular bird? not a pigeon, just a bird. if i'm wrong, i thought he was part of the lib dems and how they are focused and theyjust put these policies. so put a bird. can i break this to you? he couldn't be more opposed to the lib dems. just for those who want to learn, the lib dems want to remain in the eu and revoke everything. and nigel farage is the leader of the brexit party and they absolutely wa nt to brexit party and they absolutely want to leave. i got it wrong!! it's fine. it is interesting because there will be other people who think there will be other people who think
the same. you are all here because you are a cross—section of the public and that is fine. just from the impressions you have, which of them is most like the kind of leader you would want to be prime minister? i would like to give jeremy corbyn a chance because eve rybody's i would like to give jeremy corbyn a chance because everybody's throwing one at him and i think he is far removed from what everyone is saying. you think he is better than people say? i think so, and given a chance to prove it, a lot of people would be surprised.” chance to prove it, a lot of people would be surprised. i thinkjeremy corbyn is definitely not prime ministerial. the fact that he is spending money on nuclear weapons but he would never use a nuclear weapon, how can you say you would never use a nuclear weapon to defend a country? if a country is under attack, a leader should not say that. so i think he would be the worst. nigel farage would be better than him, and i don't support nigel farage. but out of the three,
probably borisjohnson farage. but out of the three, probably boris johnson because farage. but out of the three, probably borisjohnson because he has the most leadership. i do like jo swinson also, but it is undemocratic to revoke article 50, even though i believe in remain. you can't completely revoke what the public have set. what is it about borisjohnson public have set. what is it about boris johnson that public have set. what is it about borisjohnson that makes you feel that he has prime ministerial? when he was the mayor of london, london did better under he was the mayor of london, london did betterunder him he was the mayor of london, london did better under him than under sadiq khan. and he is trying his best to get a brexit deal. he is being very proactive and i feel that people should give him a chance. the more people who back him, the stronger deal we can get, and make leaving the eu as easy as possible. what do others think? william, which would you like to see where anything is? none of them. they are all the same. big talk, or promises, no return. it is like looking at a
bunch of bananas that have been sat there for three weeks. they are all a bit black. you have to try and pick the best one. is that where the phrase best of a bad bunch comes from? deborah, let's talk about the parties' brands, from? deborah, let's talk about the pa rties' brands, the from? deborah, let's talk about the parties' brands, the image they wish to put out and whether it has the correct effect. we asked people earlier to write down some words that spring to mind when they thought about some of the different parties. what about labour? inclusive. diverse. a bit more humanistic than the other parties, because they are prioritising most of the general public with funding for the nhs. big spenders. theyjust
wa nt for the nhs. big spenders. theyjust want to spend like they have done in the past. there has been a lot of news about that in the last few days. has anyone picked up on that, anyone worried or not worried about it? spending on education would be great, but i don't think it is feasible. where is that money going to come from to fund these educational resources? to fund the lifelong learning and so on. as much as it would benefit the economy in the future, i don't think it is feasible. i put that they were extreme, because it is an extreme form of socialism on the left at the moment and i don't agree with taxing the very rich because what does that mean for business? if you are taxing people who are high earners, i agree with taxing them more, but not an extreme amount because everyone will move abroad. naive, i put. i
rememberthe move abroad. naive, i put. i remember the militant tendency the labour party went through and i think the founders of the labour party would be spinning in their graves if they saw what happened to the party. what did people put for the party. what did people put for the conservative party? traditional. is that good or bad? both, so fairly neutral, but they can be quite stuck in theirways and neutral, but they can be quite stuck in their ways and not considering wider society compared to labour, who are more inclusive.” wider society compared to labour, who are more inclusive. i put old school and pragmatic. and pragmatism is important, but whilst i think tradition is important, i think we need to move away from some of the old school ways of thinking because inclusivity means moving away from those things. i put eager. they seem
eager to get as many votes as they can and just eager in general with every policy they are doing. is that a good thing? no, you can't come back to the houses of parliament two days later with a new deal. it just seems a bit too quick. they should at least reprove it. i put that they are one—sided. it's only about them and what they think is right, not the wider community. even when you say what you want, it goes in one earand say what you want, it goes in one ear and comes out the other. did anybody have any thoughts about the lib dems? i wrote reassurance,
remainer, ignorant. they just lib dems? i wrote reassurance, remainer, ignorant. theyjust don't wa nt remainer, ignorant. theyjust don't want to honour the referendum. i put reassurance because they want to have a second referendum. and that would lead to the best—of—s, i imagine. i put bold, at least on to information that i thought was correct. they said they would just cancel it and remain and i thought that was bold, especially after how many months of saying we are living on this date in doing this or not doing that. all of that was a waste. going back to labour, i want you to imagine, if the labour party was a person and you met them at a party, what would they be like? welcoming.
sociable. down-to-earth. you would not be able to tell. i don't mean somebody who votes labour, but if you can imagine the party being a person? i would not be able to tell their personality if that person was labour. so they would be a bit of a closed book? they could be a bit of everything. what would they drink at the party? everything that was going. and they wouldn't bring a bottle either. what about the conservative party? if you met them? something that would get out of control quickly. and what kind of person would they be, how would they dance? they probably wouldn't dance. 00:46:00,620 --> 4294966103:13:29,430 very formal, in a suit. a suit to a
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