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a leaked report shows babies and mothers died amid a "toxic" culture at two hospitals, stretching back a0 years. the damning investigation into care at shrewsbury and telford hospital trust shows major failings — in what is thought to be the nhs's worst ever maternity scandal. we'll talk to the journalist who got hold of the report and a father whose child died at the hospital. boris johnson and jeremy corbyn prepare for their first head to head confrontation of the election campaign, with a live studio debate. violence intensifies in hong kong, as dozens of demonstrators attempting to escape a university are blocked by police. this place is now surrounded by riot police. just down the street here, there are teams of riot police sealing off the whole of the campus here. inside, we believe are about 50 protesters, 50 hardliners
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who are refusing to surrender. swedish prosecutors drop their investigation of rape allegations against the wikileaks co—founder, julian assange. prince andrew is facing calls to talk to us investigators, from a woman who says jeffrey epstein assaulted her. it's 5 o'clock, our main story. a leaked report into severe failings in maternity care at shrewsbury and telford hospital nhs trust has criticised what it calls a "toxic culture" at the trust's hospitals, going back a0 years. and it warns that lessons are still not being learned. the report contains the interim findings of a review into the trust,
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ordered by the government in 2017. it followed allegations that dozens of babies and mothers had died unnecessarily, or been left with permanent disabilities. the report says staff at the trust routinely dismissed parents‘ concerns, were unkind, got dead babies‘ names wrong and, in one instance, referred to a baby who died as "it". our health editor hugh pym explained the significance of today's news. donna ockenden was working on this for two years, she was asked in 2017 to carry out an independent review at shrewsbury and telford hospital nhs trust. this was after sustained work by parents, including campaigners, parents whose family had died, they spotted the number of unexplained cases at the trust. donna 0ckenden was brought in,
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various other regulators, much has been hanging on this review because it is independent. it seems this was an interim report which was submitted to nhs leaders in england in february of this year. it was at about this point the scope of the enquiry was being quite dramatically widened. from a small number of cases to 270. now it seems as if donna 0ckenden, according to campaigners, is looking at 620 which have emerged going back to 1979 right up until the present. so that is significant. another significant key pa rt is significant. another significant key part of this leaked status report is for the first time, the number of deaths has been listed. 42 including three mothers and 39 babies. so that will come as a pretty shocking finding but this work is by no means complete. we are told by sources that donna
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0ckenden‘s review is ongoing, will continue and this is a leak. but it isa continue and this is a leak. but it is a pretty... pretty difficult day for the families involved, it has come out like this. but they are pleased, i have spoken to one family, they are pleased this group has been widened. richard stanton‘s baby daughter kate died in 2009. richard and his partner rhiannon were among the families who first pushed for an independent inquiry. we can talk to richard now. thank you so much forjoining us here. first of all, your reaction to what we know of this report, bearing in mind it is a leak and we have only seen an extract from it? absolutely. i think we can safely say that some of the scenes coming through in this report are not only shocking, but are tragic and i noticed that the media like to call this a scandal. i think what is happened to prince andrew is a scandal, this is a tragedy. an avoidable tragedy. this
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is something, as we lost our daughter avoidable in 2009 and started to ask questions about her ca re started to ask questions about her care at this trust, we were blocked every step of the way and have been for ten years, to the point where a parliamentary health service ombudsman found the trust guilty six 01’ ombudsman found the trust guilty six or seven years ago of lying back then. that is still too to this day, we are approached regularly by families asking who do we speak to, how do we get in touch with donna 0ckenden who is leading this review, in order that our baby or maternal death is listened to and taking into this very lengthy and very professional and very... long—term review, looking back at many cases, but cases as recent as december of last year. so this is what this trust would like to do to distance
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itself from these failings, calling itself from these failings, calling ita itself from these failings, calling it a legacy review, these are current and ongoing cases. our health editor made the point of the scope of this review has been widened twice, once up to 270 cases and now he thinks there are about 620 cases the reviews looking at. do you think that is partly because people have been coming to people like you and asking who to turn to and how do we get hold of donna 0ckenden who's doing the review? and how do we get hold of donna ockenden who's doing the review?” think that was a key part. i would also look to pay tribute to another family who have stood steadfastly after the loss of their daughter who jointly wrote with myself and my partner, who wrote to the health secretary. we had reviewed cases of neonatal death which is what started the review. six months after the
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review was initiated the trust spit the best part of the day denying that there were now 60 cases, then they denied it had grown wider. i can say that we are looking at nearly 620 plus cases of harm, maternal and paternal death, over a period of 20 or 30 years, most of those since the early 2000. the figures are quite shocking, the number of cases in the period of time is really very, very startling. i wonder, richard, time is really very, very startling. iwonder, richard, the time is really very, very startling. i wonder, richard, the details that we do know that have been leaked of this report, talk about staff routinely dismissing parents concerns, being unkind, and getting babies's names wrong, and these things that you directly experienced yourself with your wife or are these things that you recognise from stories others have told you? absolutely. i think we are on our
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third orfourth c00 absolutely. i think we are on our third or fourth c00 this trust, when i try to present these questions at a board meeting, only 12 or 13 months ago, they told me to sit down and spoke over me, that c0 has now been removed as he led that trust into failing and inadequate measures. the watchdog? that's correct. another case was when we went on to have our second daughter, went on to have our second daughter, we had a package of care put in place by error then gp, some of the questions that were very pertinent as to what happened to kate, could it happen again well my partner was carrying our second child, one of the key consultants at that time who is still there to this day said when she asked the question of to this happen again, he shrugged his shoulders and said i don't know, go and google it. that is the kind of response you get from this uncaring trust, that is the type of response you get where they have wilfully
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rejected any semblance of wishing to learn, that is why patterns of m ista kes learn, that is why patterns of mistakes have been repeated and repeated, time and time again, that is why they are in special measures, thatis is why they are in special measures, that is why the are so many avoidable deaths of harm to babies and deaths and maternal deaths and they what really needs to be done as well as this 0ckenden review which is ongoing, and the work donna and her team have been doing and it is brilliant, what no need to be done is further scrutiny need to put on this trust by the police. this is where a case for gross negligence, manslaughter, needs to be brought, the police need to be in there, protecting evidence and gathering evidence to bring this case forward. you cannot have so many avoidable cases of maternal deaths, potentially deaths and baby deaths, where learning has not carried forward from one mistake and that is what must start. thank you very much andi what must start. thank you very much and i think we should make it clear that consultant you mentioned is not
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here to defend their own case, they presumably would want to be able to put their own side but thank you very much indeed. why don't you invite the trust board to put some people up to speak about that? because i would really very much like to know what they have got to say. indeed, we have been in touch with the trust and they have issued this statement. in a statement, the interim chief executive — paula clark — the trust has apologised unreservedly to the families affected. in a statement, the interim chief executive — paula clark — wrote... she added...
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in a few hours' time, borisjohnson and jeremy corbyn will go head to head in theirfirst general election tv debate. the liberal democrats and snp won't be taking part in the show on itv, after they lost a last—minute legal bid to be included. the tv debates are a now a regular fixture of uk general elections. this time around, the party leaders are taking part in a number of events, let's take a look atjust some of them happening before december 12th. tonight, boris johnson and jeremy corbyn will face each other on itv, in theirfirst major clash of the campaign. then, here on bbc one, there is a question time leaders' special, hosted by fiona bruce on friday, where the conservative, labour, snp and the lib dem party leaders will take questions from the audience. itv will broadcast another election
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debate on sunday, december 1st — featuring leading figures from the seven main parties. and on bbc one on december the 6th, boris johnson and jeremy corbyn are scheduled to go head—to—head again, in a programme hosted by nick robinson. 0ur political correspondent iain watson is in the spin room for us, ahead of this evening's debate. a little early for spending to be socially supposed what is the general mood about what each party leader has to do tonight?” general mood about what each party leader has to do tonight? i should say we are outside the room where temperature is more called than it would be inside, but the reason for that, jeremy corbyn has just arrived, putting some of his supporters, there was the familiar call you may have heard back in the 2017 general election chance, that is what achieving is at the moment. borisjohnson has not yet is what achieving is at the moment. boris johnson has not yet arrived although he was working out earlier
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ina boxing although he was working out earlier in a boxing gym, think that gives you some idea of the pugilistic nature of the debate because this is going to be the first time on british television the two party leaders have clashed head—to—head, backin leaders have clashed head—to—head, back in 2010, it was a three—way debate, the lib dems nick clegg, a seven party debate in 2015, 2017 theresa may did not turn up so we have, the positions are well rehearsed, jeremy corbyn saying i will be bringing hope as you can imagine. i think simply there will bea imagine. i think simply there will be a debate where both of them are trying to score points on home territory, borisjohnson trying to get brexit done, people are fed up with it, it is time to deliver it, jeremy corbyn trying to get off brexit as quickly as possible and talk about some of the other issues he thinks can appeal to people on both remain and leave areas, for example the state of the nhs, the
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potential risk as he would have it, at the nhs of an american trade deal, austerity, and of course anti—poverty measures and investment in the public services. but i think as far as the debate goes tonight, a lot of the people will be standing back and thinking about the character of the two men, that will be what is on display were a lot of people might make a judgment. thank you very much. stay with us, more on the election in a few minutes' time and at 5.45 i'll be talking to two people with direct experience of preparing politicians for television debates. prosecutors in sweden say they will not proceed with their investigation into an allegation of rape made againstjulian assange. the wikileaks founder has been in belmarsh prison in south east london since he was evicted from the ecuadorian embassy in april. the 48—year—old was accused of rape by a woman and sexual assault by another one following a wikileaks conference in stockholm in 2010.
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he has always denied the allegations, saying the sex was consensual. mr assange still faces extradition to the united states, which accuses him of publishing thousands of secret documents. those hearings are due to begin in february. 0ur correspondent maddy savage is in stockholm. what are the reasons being given for dropping this case againstjulian assange? prosecutors have said they reopen the files, oncejulian assange was ta ken reopen the files, oncejulian assange was taken out of the ecuadorian assembly, embassy, they reinterviewed five witnesses and spoke to two others but what they have concluded is that there was not enough evidence for them to take this case further, to travel to london to interviewjulian assange, they say they do feel the evidence given by the woman who has accused
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him is credible and reliable but as for the others, the passage of time they say as well as the global media coverage may have effective people's memories of event in that is the key reason why they consider this as evidence to not give be satisfactory. that is a huge blow to the woman at the centre of the case, her lawyer has issued a statement in the past couple of hours which was texted to us at the bbc saying her client was very sad and very disappointed about the decision, she feels julian assange disappointed about the decision, she feelsjulian assange has never had to explain himself properly to authorities whereas she has questioned about this many, many times and she feels she has avoided justice. also questions being asked of the swedish prosecution authority, they reopen this case and may but it was ten years since these allegations came to light so debate about the length of this case are resurfacing and authorities have not
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ruled out an internal investigation into what exactly happened. many thanks. the headlines on bbc news... a leaked report shows babies and mothers died amid a "toxic" culture at shrewsbury and telford hospital trust, in what's thought to be the nhs‘s worst ever maternity scandal. violence intensifies in hong kong as dozens of demonstrators attempting to escape a university are blocked by police. swedish prosecutors drop their investigation of rape allegations against the wikileaks co—founder, julian assange. wales should have aaron ramsey and gareth bale fit against hungary, when in cardiff will see them automatically qualify for next yea r‘s automatically qualify for next year's tournament. spain will have lewis enrico back in charge for next summer's tournament, just five
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months after stepping down for his sick daughter. and after their maximum points deduction and fine for breaking the salary cap, saracens have been fined an undisclosed sum for failing to attend the launch of this season's european champions cup. i'll be back with more on those stories later. dozens of demonstrators remain barricaded inside a hong kong university, which has been under siege by the police for three days. activists have been inside the campus since last week, initially preventing police from entering by lighting fires and throwing petrol bombs. 600 protesters, including minors, have now given themselves up. police say that any adults who leave will be arrested. 0ur correspondent rupert—wingfield hayes sent this update. so, we have just now managed to negotiate our way into the hong kong polytechnic university and this, if you look down here, this is the main entrance, this is the main stairway here,
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this is where there was a huge battle on sunday, a pitch battle between the riot police and the protesters, this stairway here, completely aflame. it's much quieter, it's eerily quiet here now, this place is now surrounded by riot police, just down the street here there are teams of riot police sealing off the whole of the campus here, inside we believe there are around 50 protesters, 50 hardliners, who are refusing to surrender. this is the main quadrangle at the heart of the university, this is where the students, hundreds of them, were camped out here on sunday, when the battle took place and you can see this is what remains, this is the detritus of the battle here and there are hundreds of bottles that have been made into petrol bombs, you can see they have... what's this? petrol ether. then another one. ethyl acetate, so this has all come from the university's chemistry labs, it looks like.
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and have been used to make... what was clearly being... look at this, this is a bottle with a gas canister attached to it. i'm not sure whether it would have actually worked, but the students here, the protesters here were preparing, you can see, for another full—scale battle with the police. a battle that, thankfully, so far has not happened and now there are very few protesters left in here, maybe just as few as 50 or so still remaining, the hardcore and the hong kong government has said it has no intention of trying to assault this campus again, they want this to end peacefully. but it is still very tense, with the police just down the stairs here and the protesters holed up in these buildings. shirley yu is with me, she's a political economist and senior fellow at london school of economics.
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what is going to happen next do you think? if you listen to the chinese ambassador today, the press conference yesterday, i think there are two very clear messages of what is likely to happen to hong kong. he has used words like violence, illegal, challenged the bottom—line of one country two systems at as described the hong kong people today living in terror even though a while back, president himself said anybody who tries to break china will be met with shattered bones and crushed bodies so i think those are very, very harsh warnings so i think when china started using words including terrorism to define the character of the situation in hong kong, it justifies essentially any sort of action including very heavy—handed crackdown to end the violence and bring peace to hong kong. the second message he delivered yesterday in
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the press conference is a warning against foreign interference, particularly highlighted the us and uk. hong kong has been a part of china since 1997, territorially administratively, economically and militarily. so we can really define or defy the facts, —— can't. any foreign interference cannot win and it is really not very politically well—rounded and also it does not really bring the international legitimacy in this particular situation. so think the resolution to hong kong has left to china itself and i think today, if we listen to chinese president, talked about hong kong, i think china is running out of patience and we're beginning to see the beginning of the end of the protest movement. what do you think the future for this protest movement is because it has been going on for months.
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this protest movement is because it has been going on for monthsm has. i think the moderate stance getting increasingly tougher, one country, two systems has lasted 50 years so by 2047 there will be a decision made. so what these protesters have been demanding four out of the five demands include a true sense of liberal democracy, with characteristic universal suffrage. it has not been likely as we see to be granted in 2047 if it has not been granted now. so in the sense of fatalism, think hong kong along with its democratic way of political governors has been handed back to china since 1997. the fish tank is fine which is how china describes hong kong. replacing the bad fish
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with good fish. we have called for about 100 state—owned enterprises to invest heavily into hong kong to essentially supplant the current economic structure with more state control so over time i think the economic characteristics of hong kong is going to increasingly resemble a modern chinese metropolis rather than a western city and if you talk about the area it is 11 clusters that is ambitiously looking to rival the silicon valley to become the world's greatest a and hong kong politically and economically will increasingly fall into china's gravity. thank you very much. it's 5 o'clock. our main story. a leaked report into severe failings in maternity care at shrewsbury and telford hospital nhs trust has criticised what it calls a "toxic culture" at the trust's hospitals going back 40 years.
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shaun lintern is health correspondent at the independent newspaper — he broke the story. what are the top lines from the sleek? the report sets out a series of failures stretching back as far as 1979 to the present day. the author of the report, donna 0ckenden, who is leading an independent investigation into the shrewsbury and telford hospital nhs trust has made clear that what is been going on is a repeated failure by that trust to learn from mistakes as far back as the 19705. and what that meant was that families who kept coming to the hospital over that 40 year period have suffered u nfortu nately that 40 year period have suffered unfortunately again and again. some of the details are very 5tartling, aren't they? details about staff getting baby's names mixed up, showing an uncaring attitude,.” have been a healthjournalist showing an uncaring attitude,.” have been a health journalist for more than ten years and i have written about lots of scandals. i
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have to say, reading this report today and going through the detail, it was to be honest quite upsetting. there are examples of baby's bodies decomposing and mothers not lenient to see before they were being buried. it really is a stark, stock report and underlines me i think, the pure culture in this trust and also ——, we can keep grinding these as one—offs, and they are looking to increase safety across the nhs. people are referring to this particular trust as being the worst maternity type scandal that there has been that we can think of? yes, so with that comes from is that the number of cases that the independent reviewer has now been looking at has
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grown to over 600 cases. now not all of those may be the result of poor ca re of those may be the result of poor care but that is byjust sheer weight of numbers, the largest single review of any maternity service that there has ever been. so i think that gives your viewers a scale perhaps of what the scandal will look like when we get the final report, which we believe may not actually be completed until next year, at the very earliest. but i think already we are seeing some of the messages here are very, very important. the nhs, more generally needs to understand that it can't continue to behave like this and treat families like this. as you said, the lack of kindness was stark. this is notjust about when m ista kes stark. this is notjust about when mistakes happen, and the clinical failure, it is then compounded by the way the nhs then treats those bereaved families which i think anybody who supports the nhs will be quite surprised at how families were treated. 0k, we have to leave it
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there. many thanks. the us congress is holding further televised hearings. in the impeachment inquiry into donald trump. alexander vindman and jennifer williams have been speaking to the house intelligence committee. they said president trump had made inappropriate political demands to his ukrainian counterpart, volodymyr zelensky. mr trump insists he did nothing wrong. for more on this, our correspondent gary 0'donoghue is in washington. we are getting nine separate witnesses giving evidence in public this week. four today, witnesses giving evidence in public this week. fourtoday, one witnesses giving evidence in public this week. four today, one of the star witnesses this morning, the man who listened to thatjuly the 25th call between the president and volodymyr zelenskiy of the ukraine, and this is what he has to say about how he felt president behaved on that call. president trump and president zelensky had their second call, the now infamousjuly 25th call. colonel vindman, what was your real—time reaction to hearing that call? chairman...
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without hesitation, i knew that i had to report this to the white house counsel. i had concerns and it was my duty to report my concerns to the proper, proper people in the chain of command. and what was your concern? chairman, as i said in my statement... it was inappropriate, it was improper for the president... to request — to demand — an investigation into a political request — to demand — an investigation into a political opponent, especially a foreign power where there is, at best, dubious belief that this would be a completely impartial investigation. and that this would have significant implications,
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if it became public knowledge and it would be perceived as a partisan play, it would undermine our ukraine policy and it would undermine our national security. that has been an accusation made by a number of witnesses who had given evidence to the committees here in washington. tomorrow, we're going to hear from washington. tomorrow, we're going to hearfrom one of washington. tomorrow, we're going to hear from one of the washington. tomorrow, we're going to hearfrom one of the men right at the centre of the controversy, america's eu ambassador. he is the man accused of delivering directly from the president, to the ukrainians, that quid pro quo request that they investigate president trump's opponents here in orderfor america to send president trump's opponents here in order for america to send military aid they are. we will hear from you as we gary. now it's time for a look at the weather with matt taylor. very good evening. last night was the coldest night of the autumn so far also the coldest night of the
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week. there will be a frost here and there but the reason it won't be quite a school for many of us, there is more brazen still across these western areas the chances of rain overnight. a greater chance compares with a data cost central parts of scotland. it could lead to icy conditions across scotland, northern east and england there will still be frost around but not as cold as this morning. into wednesday, a greater chance of an isolated shower across some of these north sea coasts, some early patchy rain in western scotla nd early patchy rain in western scotland which would gradually dissipate, the main chance of rain, northern ireland, parts of south—west wales and cornwall. even here, dry parts through the day, sunny spells and temperatures up little bit on today's values and will continue to creep up by a degree everyday as we head towards the weekend. greatest chance of rain across the southern and western areas which will come and go but many in the north—east stay dry.
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this is bbc news. the headlines. a damning investigation into care at shrewsbury and telford hospital trust shows babies and mothers died — in what is thought to be the nhs‘s worst ever maternity scandal. violence intensifies in hong kong as dozens of demonstrators attempting to escape a university are blocked by police. swedish prosecutors drop their investigation of rape allegations against the wikileaks co—founder, julian assange boris johnson and jeremy corbyn prepare for their first head to head confrontation of the election campaign with a live studio debate. sport and a full round up from the bbc sport centre. good afternoon. a huge night in cardiff ahead with wales taking on hungary for a place at euro 2020 at stake. a win will guarantee
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their place at the tournament. wales lost the reverse fixture in budapest injune and hungary know they can also qualify with just a draw. giggs should be able to call upon gareth bale, who was so pivotal to their run to the semi finals back in 2016. he hasn't played a full match for more than a month though. we have the euphoria of qualifying for the first euros and doing so well at the competition, that we want to do that again. also we have the negatives of how it feels to miss out on qualifying for a tournament like we did in the world cup. we will use both of them to our advantage. the team in 2016, everyone, whether you were involved, a fan travelling to the games, watching on tv, it was amazing. if we can recreate that atmosphere, it is fantastic.
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we have put ourselves in a great position. that is all we are in at the moment. elsewhere, scotland are taking on kazakhstan looking for their third consecutive victory. steve clarke's side will finish third in group i if they avoid defeat. it's also an opportunity to avenge the dreadful 3—0 loss suffered in the opening match of the campaign back in march in astana. northern ireland are already assured a play—off place as they take on germany in frankfurt. they'll finish third in group c, regardless of tonights result, with germany and holland guaranteed to finish in the top two places. luis enrique is back in charge of spain. he left the role earlier this year to care for his daughter. she died of bone cancer in august. enrique replaces his former assistant robert moreno — who steered them through their final euro qualifiers.
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the spanish football federation president luis rubiales said: "everyone knew that if luis enrique wanted to come back the doors would be open." they say he'll be in charge until at least the world cup in 2022. rugby union now and the new wales head coach wayne pivac has named his first squad. he's brought in new zealand—born backsjohnny mcnicholl and willis halaholo for the uncapped game against the barbarians in cardiff at the end of the month. the babas will be coached by the former wales coach, warren gatland. saracens have been fined an undisclosed sum for failing to attend the launch of this season's european champions cup. they are the current holders but failed to turn up for the event in cardiff, which was held the day after the club were fined over five million pounds and docked 35
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points for breachinmg the premiership salary cap. the revamped davis cup finals are continuing in madrid today. great britain have to wait until tomorrow for their first match but there'll be no roger federer. switzerland didn't qualify for the 18—nation event. instead, he's in argentina playing an exhibition match against alexander zverev. now at 38, he says he's expecting an emotional end to his career when it finally comes — but doesn't see that moment arriving too soon. i see no reason to stop but of course with age everything gets a bit more difficult. but at the same time with experience also you can savour the moments more. so, i don't know how it's going to end. i hope it'sjust going to be somewhat emotional, i guess, and nice and, i don't know, let's hope it's going to be good, the whole process and not too difficult.
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we'll have more for you in sportsday at half past six. simon mccoy is in southampton. throughout the campaign, bbc news will be looking closely at the places where the election could be won and lost. we will be visiting 10 parts of the uk where seats will be closely contested. today, we're in southampton on the south coast of england. the city is split into three constituencies. two were held by the conservatives and one by labour in the last election. where i am is itchen. in 2017, the conservatives were re—elected — but only just — by 31 votes. it's a battleground for the conservative and labour. back in 2010 labour held the seat by 192. so a true swing seat. so how do local businesses feel about the election? i am joined by my guests — bob terris who is the chairman of meachers global logistics —
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and nightclub owner gary bennetton. bob, you are in freight, is this mostly about brexit for you?” bob, you are in freight, is this mostly about brexit for you? i would say it is the most prominent issue. until we get brexit sorted out and the government in place to move that would be the key issue. you voted remain, have you changed your mind? no, i operated before we were in europe and afterwards and you can see the difference. in the past 40 yea rs we see the difference. in the past 40 years we had tremendous benefits from being in europe, notjust business—wise but also people, all the rights and protections that people have today and from a trade point of view it eases the movement of goods and enables us to tap into labour markets from elsewhere. yet you are going to vote conservative, what about the liberal democrats who say that they. brexit? in my view
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the first thing we need is one party with an overall majority so they can carry out the manifesto whether you agree with all of it or not. and looking at history the only party capable with the experience and the business sense to run the country is the conservative party. gary come in your business is this election about brexit or about the wider issue of the economy? brexit obviously is a keyissue the economy? brexit obviously is a key issue because without brexit done and dusted we do not not know where we will go with the economy. we need to get that sorted. are we talking about people, is immigration issues like that and getting the staff are just the general sense that the country is... ? i think the general sense of the country, with delayed and delayed and we need to get brexit done and bent look at the domestic agenda. just get our own affairs in orderand domestic agenda. just get our own affairs in order and we cannot do that until we have brexit sorted.
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you voted remain as well but you would not vote for a party saying we would not vote for a party saying we would stop it? i think the country has to be run correctly economically and without that we cannot do anything. you keep seeing jeremy corbyn talking about various policies and giveaways and it is just not sustainable. without a solid economy we cannot do any of that stuff and in my experience we need a government that have total control and can get on and make decisions without being paralysed by parliament. the mantra from boris johnson is let's get brexit done but in the reality even if he wins a majority were not even at the starting point with brexit. a lot of people think we get out and it is finished but there's a huge amount of negotiation and we've had three yea rs of of negotiation and we've had three years of uncertainty. the worst thing for any business is
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uncertainty and we will have much more time to absorb it, it is whether we can get temporary measures to ease for example boundaries and it cannot all be done immediately. it has to be a gradual thing and then really do we want those boundaries because we have the lowest unemployment for 40 years and more people than ever in university education. the economy has got to pay for that and the large amount of elderly people and any hurdles put in the way of keeping business going or anything to reduce investment the money will not be forthcoming to solve these problems. so the interim has to keep going. gary, are you undecided in terms of the vote? there a certain bit of resistance because i did not think the referendum should have been caught in the first place. i think it was such a vague question that i think that has sent us down the road we
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probably should not have gone but we are where we are. i think as boris said just get it done, we cannot delay any more. it has been three years and let's just get delay any more. it has been three years and let'sjust get it sorted. you're in the entertainment industry and that relies on people, what about the issue of free movement and immigration? i think as bob says we have very high employment and i think a lot of the people migrating to this country filljobs that we do require them to do whether in the nhs, hospitality is an area where we do rely on the influx of people. so i think that we need to tread carefully with that once we know where we're to go. i think net migration needs to come down but i think no migration will not help us. the television debate tonight, is there anything that could happen tonight that could change your mind? in terms of voting forjeremy corbyn
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nothing would make me change my mind. i think the best thing would be for the conservatives just to let jeremy corbyn talk because the more he talks the more sense it makes to vote conservative. thank you both for joining vote conservative. thank you both forjoining us. a very important seat here in southampton. plenty more from us throughout the evening. the green party has launched its election manifesto with a pledge to "transform everything" to combat climate change. it's promising net zero carbon emissions in the uk by 2030 — the government's target is 2050 — and it says it will pay for the policy by borrowing almost £100 billion a year. carbon emissions are the amount of carbon dioxide released from burning fuel, which contributes to global warming. 0ur correspondent chris morris has been examining the proposals. the greens have policies to introduce universal basic income to abolish tuition fees for students and to reform the voting system. they want to remain
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in the european union. but the main focus, obviously, is on the climate crisis and an unashamedly ambitious programme to try and transform the economy and to make this country carbon neutral by 2030. everything needs to change. and so the green new deal is an idea whose time has come. today, we are so proud to put forward a manifesto which puts us on track to decarbonise every single sector of the economy by 2030 while delivering social justice across britain. the greens propose spending £100 billion a year every year for ten years on climate action, far more than other parties. most of that money, more than £90 billion a year, would be borrowed, driving up overall government borrowing significantly. but, they argue, investing that money will create millions of newjobs. so what does the manifesto
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mean in practice? within a decade, the greens want, for example, to phase out petrol and diesel vehicles, replace gas boilers with heat pumps in millions of homes. stop all carbon emissions from industry, and phase in a tax on meat and dairy products. the greens also propose a frequent flyer levy, reducing the impact of the estimated 15% of people who take about 70% of all flights. their policies would also transform the countryside, changing the way that agriculture works and planting 700 million new trees by 2030 to soak up greenhouse gas emissions. again, that's a higher target than any other party. but the big question for the greens, is their programme actually achievable within a decade? the advisory committee on climate change argues that it isn't. other parties have set targets of 2045 or 2050 for making the economy carbon neutral. but the greens are talking
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about an economic revolution. each and every green mp elected this december will have, in their in—tray, a legislative agenda ready to go. ten bills ready for the next parliament to hit the ground running. because the future will not give us another chance to get these next two years right. £100 billion a year is an awful lot of money, but as you can see, it's about the same as the government currently spends on education and less than it spends on health. so for a party that says the climate is by far the most important issue facing the country, and indeed the world, this manifesto is their radical alternative vision. tonight boris johnson and jeremy corbyn will face each other in their first major clash of the campaign. but how will they try to convey their key messages to win over precious swing voters? here to discuss this are stephen lynch — former press adviser to the conservative party and to sajid javid's
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leadership campaign — and theo bertram — a former adviser to tony blair and gordon brown. both if you have prepared candidates for leadership debates. theo, tell us for leadership debates. theo, tell us how rigorous it is? they will be drilled to an inch of their lives in terms of rehearsals. when we prepared gordon brown for debates in 2010i prepared gordon brown for debates in 20101 think prepared gordon brown for debates in 2010| think there was just one question across all three debates that we had not anticipated and rehearsed and rehearsed. which was that? a question about the visit of the pope to the uk and would any of the pope to the uk and would any of the candidates like to support or condemn his various positions. that was one question we had not prepared and gordon spoke from the heart. it was something given his background that he was very comfortable with but i think we should expect every question tonight to be very well
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practised and prepared. in a way you can anticipate the main subjects. you can, just as if you are watching question time and think it is pretty obvious what is going to come up tonight because they will know. but they have spent a long time fighting each other across the dispatch box in the house of commons and they know what each other is going to say. they have done a lot of shadow—boxing. but say. they have done a lot of shadow— boxing. but hopefully say. they have done a lot of shadow—boxing. but hopefully we say. they have done a lot of shadow— boxing. but hopefully we will see them fight properly tonight. you work with sajid javid for the conservative leadership campaign, what we are trying to emphasise when he was behind the podium, what did you want the viewers to see? what we wa nted you want the viewers to see? what we wanted people to see with that complaint was to see his authentic self. that was a great deal of of the things we worked on, were looked at policy positions and had bent nail down in advance and it is quite
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straightforward to be able to predict almost what the other candidates are going to say. in mock rehearsals for that campaign we did not really have anything where you had certain people standing for certain candidates because of the nature of that. this debate tonight is different, it is a head—to—head debate and michael gove for example is playing the role ofjeremy corbyn. i'm sure he he will bring a lot of energy and intellect to that. so from our point of view with the sajid javid campaign it was about helping him to articulate his positions in the most clear and authentic way and linking that with his back story. so making the back story different story and just finding the feedback that we got from the debate from non—conservative supporters and non—political observers was that he came across as sincere and quite likeable. chiefly because he was not interrupting the other candidates
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and not talking over the moderator. that would be one piece of advice i would give to anyone. you both said ina would give to anyone. you both said in a sense the territory is predictable and that both men know each other very well because they spy each other very well because they spy on house of commons. then how do they try to do something a bit different tonight? one thing that is different tonight? one thing that is different is jeremy corbyn gets to ask the questions at prime ministers question time and i would expect boris to have a list of questions that he wants to get in front of julie etchingham and billy want to ask the question to his opponent. so i think that we will see a bit that tonight and then jeremy corbyn always said that he is going to rise above it but i anticipate boris johnson, his natural disposition is to be quite competitive politically andl to be quite competitive politically and i think that when he sees his opponent and has the opportunity to
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go for them we could see a very aggressive borisjohnson. ithink go for them we could see a very aggressive borisjohnson. i think it will be up to the viewers if that counts in his favour or against him. how important are these debates in terms of shifting opinion? they can be tremendously important, so the bbc debate in 2017, the seven way debates, 7 million people watched that and we have seen in the past in the us and here in the uk how people can change the narrative, how they can change the narrative, how they can geta can change the narrative, how they can get a surge of momentum from these debates. nick clegg is probably the best example in 2010, he probably had a lot of time to prepare for the debate. this is the point that i mentioned, the incumbent is that a slight disadvantage because borisjohnson has had to be prime minister, he had to get on with running the country. when you're in the opposition i would hazard a guess that you have
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slightly more time on your hands to prepare. even though the men are familiar with each other you can prepared to be much more competitive and punchy to attack the government record. so i i expect corbyn to be pursuing boris along the lines of nhs privatisation, the us trade deal with donald trump, and the record of austerity as well. just talking about the spin room, that has become almost as important as the debate, chewing over it. when we were preparing in 20101 worked closely on the leadership campaigns and we had peter mandelson and alistair campbell and douglas alexander in the spin room ready to go out and actually start shouting at journalists and across the room and george osborne. it was not a pretty sight and not something that you ever want the viewers to see directly. but each week, each time
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we did the leadership debate they would go out earlier and earlier. so the first leadership debate everyone waited until the end and engine journalists and politicians came together but by the third leadership debate went out 20 minutes before it even finished to say this is the big story, this is where cameron tripped up story, this is where cameron tripped up or what they fail to answer. so the spin room is a lot of spin and not a huge amount of substance. i think it matters because it helps tell the story of what the evening has been. in 2010 the story was nick clegg. we are running out of time, fascinating stuff, thank you both. a woman who says she was a victim ofjeffrey epstein has appealed directly to prince andrew to "come forward" and give a statement to us investigators. the duke is facing renewed calls to tell the authorities about his friendship with epstein, a convicted sex offender. here's our los angeles correspondent, sophie long.
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this is the lawyer in los angeles representing five of jeffrey epstein's alleged victims. with her, a young woman who told reporters crammed into the small room that epstein raped her when she was 15. we were not hidden. it is upsetting to me to think that anyone who was closely associated withjeffrey epstein might argue that they didn't suspect that he might have been sexually abusing children. her attorney urged prince andrew to come to the united states and tell investigators everything he knows about the behaviour and activities of his former friend, jeffrey epstein. he described in his interview this weekend that jeffrey epstein's home was like a railway station. a lot of people coming in and out. he should have asked, why are these girls here? this is the interview ms allred was referring to. prince andrew responded to the allegations about him with categoric denials of impropriety.
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you can say categorically that you don't recall meeting virginia roberts, dining with her, dancing with her at tramp, or going on to have sex with her in a bedroom in a house in belgravia? yes, i can absolutely categorically tell you, it never happened. but there are further signs of the damage to prince andrew's reputation. the accountants kpmg have announced they are withdrawing their sponsorship of one of his initiatives, a mentoring scheme for entrepreneurs. sophie long, bbc news, los angeles. now it's time for a look at the weather last night was the coldest night of the season so far, —10 in parts of aberdeenshire and for some in scotla nd aberdeenshire and for some in scotland the frost did not melt all day long. you might think that a
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culture night will follow but that is not the case as we have low pressure getting closer and closer. the strongest of the wins out in the west and that will remain touching gale force around some western coasts. across the far west we continue to see some showers. and that could lead to some icy conditions. temperatures could still get blows bruising across parts of scotla nd get blows bruising across parts of scotland and the north east of england into tomorrow morning. but not as cold by and large tomorrow morning. through the date some showers across the north sea coast. early showers in the west of scotla nd early showers in the west of scotland becoming confined to the western isles. still the chance of some rain in northern ireland and pembrokeshire and cornwall but even here some dry spells. temperatures creeping up going into wednesday and through the night into thursday, we
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have a strong south—easterly wind and it should be not too chilly of the wind will be temporary —— tempering the field. temperatures close to where we should be for the time of year in what has been overall a chillier month than we normally expect. on friday will continue with that theme, overnight rain confined to parts of scotland into the morning. the main later on the day confined to the west of the uk. so most on friday finishing the day with some sunny spells. a bit of uncertainty about this area of low pressure, the heaviest pulses of rain likely to push into the mediterranean but we could have a chance of outbreaks of rain to england and wales and more of an easterly breeze. for the time being scotla nd
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easterly breeze. for the time being scotland and northern ireland likely to see some sunny spells and staying dry but we could see some rain going into sunday. that is how it is looking.
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today at six... exposed — the stark failures at shrewsbury and telford nhs trust. dozens of deaths are being investigated. a leaked report describes a toxic culture that left babies stillborn, others brain damaged, some disabled, and parents searching for answers. my feelings are one of huge sorrow. huge sorrow for all the families that have had their lives ripped apart by this trust, by the avoidable death of their child, by the avoidable death of a mother, or the harm to their child. we'll be asking if this could be the nhs‘s worst maternity scandal. also tonight: the siege at hong kong's university — dozens of students are still inside the campus, protestors face up to ten years in jail. the first clash between boris
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