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into thursday, through the night and into thursday, more of you are frost free, further ran more of you are frost free, further ra n towards more of you are frost free, further ran towards the south and west, and thursday will be a blustery day, but there will also be some heavier best of rain towards the south—west, wales, and later into northern ireland, the vast majority having another dry day. some sunny spells, and images around where they should be for the time of year. and we continue in that vein as we go through thursday night and into friday, a low pressure system actually drifting a little bit closer towards us and that will push some showery rain northwards as we go through thursday night, so it be too chilly a start. some sunny conditions developing across england, early rain in parts of northern scotland actually fizzling, main bulk of rain which will come and go again, mainly towards the west. temperatures a bit more widely into nine or 10 celsius as we finished friday afternoon. if you are with me 2a hours ago, you will
know that this area of low pressure has a bit of uncertainty, it does look like it's going to drift its way south, with the bulk of the heavy rain off, but this front around it may start to push its way northwards, so compared to 2a hours ago, greater chance of rain developing across parts of england and wales are at this stage, and easterly breeze with it so further north to get away from that area of low pressure, but just north to get away from that area of low pressure, butjust be warned, that rain could push a bit further northwards. and then as we go through the end of the weekend, that rain does drift its way further north, fizzling out as it goes and then into sunday it looks like southern areas should brighten up once again. back to south—easterly winds, and not too substantial a breeze away from the far north of scotla nd breeze away from the far north of scotland when we will see a bit more on the way of wet weather but for most, the dry theme continues, and all this dry weather over the next few days will help to let those river levels drop a little bit stopping the rain causing us to much concern, but into next week, low
pressure set to dominate through the first half, so we're still dragging on those milder southerly winds, south or south—westerly, but it does mean that we see some rain at times, to produce a little bit higher than we saw in the first half of this week but closer to normal stopping later in the week, that low pressure pushes its way through, it still looks like temperatures will drop yet against see you soon.
hello, this is bbc news with shaun ley. we will be taking a look at tomorrow morning's papers in a moment. first the headlines: the nhs, honesty, and brexit were the dominating themes in tonight's election debate betweenjohnson and corbyn. jeremy corbyn arrived in salford greeting supporters outside, promising to invest much more money in the nhs, while borisjohnson‘s cavalcade swept in, with the prime minister keen to turn many of his responses to brexit.
full market access for us products to our national health service. you're going to sell our national health service out to the united states and big pharma. mr corbyn is trying to conceal the void at the heart of his brexit policy, and refusing to answer the question of which side he would take. a leaked report describes a toxic culture at a shrewsbury hospital that left babies stillborn, others brain damaged, and parents still searching for answers. officials in the netherlands say at least 25 people have been found in a refrigerated container on board a ferry bound for the uk. swedish prosecutors drop their investigation of rape allegations against the wikileaks co—founderjulian assange.
hello and welcome to our look ahead to what the papers will be bringing us tomorrow. with me are the guardian columnist dawn foster and former trade minister lord jones. many of tomorrow's front pages are already in. the guardian features boris johnson and jeremy corbyn in tonight's leaders' debate on itv, with brexit and the nhs high on the agenda. the ft describes the debate as a hazardous duel that the prime minister survived. the times says the leaders are neck—and—neck following the clash, citing a snap yougov poll of viewers. the independent features its exclusive story on the failings at shrewsbury and telford nhs trust, which it calls the largest maternity scandal in nhs history. prince andrew is featured on the front of the mirror. the newspaper says police notebooks could hold key information relating to allegations made against the duke of york. in an exclusive, the sun claims that prince andrew cancelled his first public engagement since his bbc newsnight interview.
let's start with the times, and a kind of hand on shoulder and a warm handshake. boris johnson and jeremy corbyn. in a sense, i suppose, they will both have breathed a sigh of relief after tonight. this is the first there has ever been where the prime minister and the first two men who wants to be prime minister go head to head. secondly, they were asked to undertake a good behaviour pledge and stop it being a slanging match. so that is where you got your hand on shoulder and the handshake from. and thirdly, they have both got massive elephant traps which alive tv debate will show up. with boris, it is obviously all about honesty. it is also about, in my
view wrongly, about the nhs accusation about any deal with america. we have had a position where we are open to procurement by big pharmaceutical companies from europe since the single market started. all that would happen with a trade deal with america is they could say no —— they would be open, they could say no. i don't think jeremy corbyn is correct to say we would sell it to america. but they applauded a lot. jeremy corbyn‘s trap is brexit, and he was asked nine times and nine times he ducked it and the audience laughed at him. both of them, i think, could come out of tonight with... the snap verdict on the yougov of coal is 51— —— you gave pole. —— yougov poll.
51-49. i —— you gave pole. —— yougov poll. 51—19. i asked three people who watched it what they thought. they said pretty boring, not particularly impressive. and i think, actually, if that would be the verdict they would both settle for that, because it means they have both escaped. was it means they have both escaped. was it the ft which said they survive? i think that is a good word to use. what did you make of it, and of the coverage in the newspapers? unlike your paper, where we couldn't actually see who they were, we have them on the front of the times. actually see who they were, we have them on the front of the timeslj think both leaders played to their strengths. boris desperately wants the entire election to be about exit, and to argue he has the strongest brexit deal, whereas jeremy wants to argue the nhs is at sta ke jeremy wants to argue the nhs is at stake and the things that people hold very dear are at stake. so it makes complete sense that both of them come out almost head to head. but also, i think that we are still very early in the general election campaign. and so, you know, for the leaders to be neck and neck at this
point, when previously theresa may was, you know, in 2017, farahead, is very worrying for boris johnson. i think is very worrying for boris johnson. ithinka is very worrying for boris johnson. i think a lot of people will take a lot of... a lot of labour staffers will be thinking very deeply about this and be very pleased with it. but again, it remains to be seen what happens next, and what the general public think, and whether or not other people will choose any of the other parties. far be it for me to intrude on journalistic inaccuracy, but the neck and neck is about some people looking at this and saying how did they do. it is not about who they want as their prime minister. i didn't say that. but the theresa may way ahead at this time was about who you wanted as prime minister, it wasn't about performance on a television screen. is the lesson of those polls in 2017 that actually we are no longer able to get a national picture in 0nepoll? it is very hard to get an
accurate reflection. i noticed economist in its election covering is saying we are commissioning local polls because we think the national polls because we think the national polls from our perspective are no longer accurate, because we are no longer accurate, because we are no longer as homogenous, even though at the last election, in the end, about 80% voted either labour or tory? absolutely, because we live in a first past the post system, it is very easy to take a full pole and say who would say who you very easy to take a full pole and say who you vote for tomorrow, but that doesn't tell you what happens see by seat. that is why yougov and lots of other polling companies are trying to pole locally. even a couple of dozen students may actually tip the balance. so it is very... it is an entirely volatile election, because we rely on these big opinion polls when we are still inafirst big opinion polls when we are still in a first past the post system. and
the pollsters' nightmare is the person who lies to the polls. there will be loads of people who say to people i am not voting forjeremy corbyn, but they will vote labour, and there are loads of people who will say i wouldn't dream of voting conservative, and they will. that makes a pollster's job difficult. and the other point well made is that we are so localised and specific in our wishes in a first past the post system. i mean, there are constituencies where you can put are constituencies where you can put a sheep up in blue or red and get it in. that is not democracy. and if you are... i am in stratford—upon—avon, and if you are labour or stratford—upon—avon, and if you are labourorgreen or stratford—upon—avon, and if you are labour or green or liberal, you are basically disenfranchised. well, that's no way to run. because your vote doesn't count in the overall national vote, it is kind of discounted locally. i mean, corbyn's owi'i discounted locally. i mean, corbyn's own seat, he has something like 40,000 majority. it is huge. so if
you are a picket liberal you might as welljust not be around on 12 december. that is not participatory democracy. that is why when you get a referendum, when every vote counts equally, that is why you get these sorts of results. it is because people suddenly realise i matter. and polls are in a sense referenda, in that sense. this is an attempt to price in some of the labour plans, at £1 billion. this is the institute for fiscal studies, so people will ta ke for fiscal studies, so people will take this with more interest than if it was the tories making the accusation. absolutely, but labour has said over and over again that they only plan on raising taxes for they only plan on raising taxes for the top 5% of people. but at the same time, the conservatives are co nsta ntly same time, the conservatives are constantly on the attack on here, but they won't come out with their own plans. they won't come out and say exactly what their own plans are. and labour have said they hope to publish their manifesto on thursday. the conservatives are looking at possibly pushing their
ma nifesto looking at possibly pushing their manifesto launch until two weeks before the general election. and it is very, very easy for the conservatives to constantly attack labour on spurious figures that they previously admit they made up, but until the conservatives say what they will do, they are in a very, very wea k they will do, they are in a very, very weak position here.|j they will do, they are in a very, very weak position here. i think it is so interesting on both parties, you know, what is the giveaway. someone will start off by saying did somebody offer me a microwave if i voted for them? there is the most amazing achievement, because they keep offering me free at this and free at that. it is my money. they are bribing me with my money. you know, it is not their money, it is oui’ know, it is not their money, it is our money. we are taxpayers, and they are giving us our own money back and saying they are doing us a favour. hello! and the other point is, it might be that labour say, you know, it is only the top 5%, a
little bit. well, fine. they won't be here. because the thing to do on the day after election if corbyn became prime minister is go and buy some shares in our lives, because there will be so many people getting a 1—way ticket out of there, you will not believe it. and they won't be there to pay the tax that they think they are going to pay. the daily mail, just in passing, has corbyn, its verdict on the debate. it is not much more flattering about prince andrew. a deeply unflattering photograph, haunted, they say he looks. the range might be another way of describing the photograph. but interestingly, a slightly more serious photo taken from the emily maitlis interview on the front of the mirror tomorrow morning. if he thought this was going to kill the story of, he has another thing coming. they say a story has legs because it i’ui'is they say a story has legs because it runs and runs, all he has done is poke the hornets nest and they are
not coming back. the point i would just make on this is because so much of it is not really, i believe, for us of it is not really, i believe, for us to comment, but the one thing i'd feel sorry for is i understand why these companies have removed their brands from his charity. i get at, because at the end of the day, we should both say something that he didn't say in his interview, that these poor women, young girls basically, they are the people that we should all be worried about and no—one else. but i get way a company would say, i'm not having my brand... the problem is, that's not hurting prince andrew. that's hurting prince andrew. that's hurting the kids who the charity was going to help, and that's a victim of this, is the kids and the charities that no longer get financial support, and that's a tragedyjust like the young girls it's a tragedy. i'd just find it utterly baffling that he agreed to do the interview. you both watched
it? yes. i find utterly baffling that he agreed to do the interview, i've assumed that he was advised to put front and centre, go into that interview and the number one thing that you say and you come out of it having said was, i feel the utmost sympathy for these poor girls, and at no point did he say that, even though emily maitlis repeatedly offered him that. that sort of, is there anything else you would like to say? yeah, and i think it is an open goal stopping all he has actually done is made things far worse than he ever had to do and this is why we see all of the headlines across the papers that we do today. still slightly baffling why he made the decision to do this interview now, and again, even more so interview now, and again, even more so since epstein was prosecuted
again, he was going through that process when he apparently killed himself, and then after his death, that has not been clear why he felt, 01’ that has not been clear why he felt, or somebody at the palace felt, that this was the right time to do it.|j agree with that. reading that newsnight had been after him for about six months to do this and he had been saying, i'll do something, talk about my charities, but i wont talk about my charities, but i wont talk about my charities, but i wont talk about this. of course they were saying, that's all we are going to ask. so he even had a reason not to do it. he could have said unless you talk about my charities i'm not doing it. very baffling. i think you live in a bubble and you assume that nothing will pierce that and that is precisely what has happened. and i wa nt precisely what has happened. and i want how he will reflect on it as the week goes on. let's move onto a story that nobody can say is not important, they might not think politics is important, they might be
com pletely u ni nterested politics is important, they might be completely uninterested in the royal story, but they could not fail to be interested and appalled... i'll leave it to you to talk about the specifics, but this is a newspaper review and if you just look at the newspaper, i think the independent has carried this brilliantly. they have got the real mum, notjust any mum, and her baby. and the independent is no longer, you can't go and buy it on the newspaper stand, it's now online, and i think that's a shame because of that was in every railway station in britain, it's actually what good quality photojournalism is about, and it's a shame that it won't get a wider thing, they will leave dawn to talk about this. and the frontpage sums up, just in those four bullet points, gives you entire story. no, completely, we have seen this before with the distal heart scandal, my
cousin was a victim of that, and it took them a very long time for pa rents concerns, took them a very long time for parents concerns, for so much whistleblowing to happen before anything moved, and yet again we see it again, in shrewsbury and telford. there clearly needs to be a much better mechanism in place. i know that i have mentioned before i have epilepsy, every time i'd go in there saying would you recommend a any. i'm not gonna text my friends and say, know you've been in a car crash but this a&e is great. but what they would like as if they think my neurologist is not giving me a good standard of care, i have a proper qualitative way of actually raising concerns, of saying that something is not right, i have not been treated very well, other people are at risk. and that clearly hasn't happened here and it has cost babies lives, this brain damage, but so
many scarred lives. you would know shrewsbury and telford, a very small pa rt shrewsbury and telford, a very small part of the... and yet statistically these figures look astonishingly high. and the point is, if you are big ina high. and the point is, if you are big in a small community, that's the point. and the only place where people go to. yes, so it will be big figures in the small community. my concern is that i think dawn has got this point about, can you give me a qualitative way in which i can raise concerns about my treatment when it happens. and we have this love affair within the nhs, happens. and we have this love affairwithin the nhs, and happens. and we have this love affair within the nhs, and everybody sees it as the jewel in the crown and it even features on the opening ceremony of the olympic games. and the problem is, everybody shuts up about it and if you complain about it in public, you're wrong, until
there is a calamity and a disaster, and then the roof falls in. so we go from one extreme to another. and thena from one extreme to another. and then a while later they are suddenly evil, corporate manslaughter, and all that stuff. if only there was a way of dealing with it at the start as you have just said. but i think it takes politicians to depoliticise the issue. time is running out. bottom of the times. rising longevity as a result of better healthcare, diet and lifestyle is, it means that old age now officially sta rts it means that old age now officially starts at 70 not 65. so, as i'm 64, i'm not going to become old next year, i'm going to become old in six yea rs. year, i'm going to become old in six years. i've had some good news about
this, tom said, i'm half yourage, which finished me, just completely finished me. we worked out, exactly half my age. i'm going to go off and cry. dawn, would you like to add anything to that? i've got a long time until i'm even middle—aged now, which is nice. you do know that your employer is going to keep moving the goalposts. if you don't get old at 65, when do you get to retire? there isa 65, when do you get to retire? there is a serious point about longevity, and the nhs, it won't be able to cope stopping because it's not good, there willjust be too many old people needing more healthcare and too many of us. and a politician that solves that one will get my vote. thank you both, as ever. a lovely note to end on. if the nhs is
at 70, that means i'm practically 30. that's it for the papers tonight. clinic hello i'm ben crutcher, with the latest from the bbc sport centre. manager maurizio has been sacked, she lives just months after that exposed to their champions league final. domestic performances have been on the slide in 2019, losing 18 games in all competitions, currently fourth in the premier league, without a win since september. patrick gary has more. dispersed chairman daniel leavy said ina dispersed chairman daniel leavy said in a statement that we were extremely reluctant to make this change, it is not a decision
the board has taken lightly or an haste stopping domestic results at the end of last season and beginning of the season have been extremely disappointing, it falls to the board to make the difficult decisions, this one made more so given the many memorable moment we have had with maurizio and his coaching staff, but we do so in the club's best interest. he goes on to thank the team, in particular for interest. he goes on to thank the team, in particularfor his work in the years when spurs didn't have a homeground and had to play at wembley stadium in london he finishes by saying we have a talented squad, we need to re—energise and deliver a positive season for our supporters, but who we re season for our supporters, but who were going to take charge of that season and try to tim totman's fortune around. wales have sealed their place at next year's european championship finals with 2—0 win against hungary in their final qualifier. the were surprise semi—finalists in 2016 and booked their place at euro 2020 thanks to a couple of goals from juventus midfielder aaron ramsey.
a place at 2020 was theirs, so could they rise to an occasion? how's this foran they rise to an occasion? how's this for an answer? wales were ahead, key from the stands to the dugout, a wave of relief. not for long though, as hungary was soon wave of relief. not for long though, as hungary was soon opposing problems, and only these heroics kept the hosts ahead of the break. but just as welch kept the hosts ahead of the break. butjust as welch nerves were starting to jangle, ramsey again, and just look what it meant. wales and just look what it meant. wales and wonderland, and the celebrations had started. and come the final whistle, the party could really begin. wales through to the second european championship in a row, for the manager, mission accomplished on a memorable night. northern ireland
knew that they couldn't qualify automatically, lessen the blow as they were hammered in frankfurt, and scored a hat—trick. lewis enrique has been reappointed as been's national managerjust five months after stepping down to look after his daughter. she passed away in august after battling bone cancer. enrique replaces his former assistant, who said that he would step aside should enrique ever want thejob back. he will be step aside should enrique ever want the job back. he will be charged with leading spain into 2020 with his contract running into the 2022 world cup in qatar. you can find more on all of those stories on our website, bbc .co. uk. holiday,
wednesday is not going to start quite as cold as tuesday, further west there will be a little bit of rain around thanks to a weather front but much of the country is going to be largely dry today, with some sunshine, there will be quite a bit of cloud around to start, we should see sunshine appearing through the midlands, and into parts of wales as the day wears on. shower perhaps down the coast, most of the rain will be with us, it's quite wet as the rain continues to affect cornwall. template is here, 10— 11 degrees, but a very chilly day in fa ct, degrees, but a very chilly day in fact, highs of 6— nine celsius. as we head through wednesday night, it stays dry for most again, variable cloud, perhaps the odd shower across the east coast, but this weather front will bring further wet weather particular into southwest cornwall, the weather totals really starting