tv Victoria Derbyshire BBC News November 29, 2019 10:00am-11:01am GMT
hello, it's friday, november29th. a row breaks out between channel 4 and the conservatives over last night's leaders' climate debate. when borisjohnson declined to take part the broadcaster replaced him with an ice sculpture. the tories have complained to the regulator. more than 140 children s charities call for all political leaders to set out their solutions to social problems, which they say are leaving millions of children scarred for life. in the second in our election blind dates series, we see if professional darts player bobby george and drag performer courtney act agree on anything beyond their shared love of sequins and big jewellery. if i was going to vote, i'd vote for borisjohnson. not because he's a great politician. he's the biggest lie out of all of them.
so you want to vote for that? yeah, because they all tell lies, but he's the biggest lie. and nearly three million people are living with cancer in the uk, with someone diagnosed every 90 seconds. charities say the number is increasing dramatically. one of these women was diagnosed last year, the other has had the disease since 2011. we'll be asking them what living with cancer is really like. hello, welcome to the programme. we're live until 11 this morning. do get in touch on all the stories we're talking about — use the hashtag victoria live. if you re emailing and are happy for us to contact you 7 and maybe want to take part in the programme — please include your phone number in your message. if you text, you ll be charged at the standard network rate.
now a nowa summary now a summary of the news. good morning. energy firm npower is to cut up to a500 jobs in the uk as pa rt cut up to a500 jobs in the uk as part of a restructuring plan to make it more profitable. the german owners of the company, eon, said the uk market was particularly challenging. unions say it is a cruel blow to workers in the run—up to christmas and this warning a500 jobs could be lost with a closure of a number of call centres. the conservative party and channel a have clashed after the prime minister declined to appear on a leaders‘ debate programme broadcast last night. michael gove offered to ta ke last night. michael gove offered to take his place by the broadcaster said the invitation was for leaders only. the party has written to the broadcasting watchdog 0fcom, saying the decision to replace boris johnson with an ice sculpture was provocative and partisan. the conservatives are promising to strengthen england‘s education watchdog 0fsted. the party has
revealed plans for longer inspections and an extra £10 billion of funding for the inspector. there will also be trials of no notice inspections. schools could be visited with no prior warning. there are certain situations where there may be particular concerns about a school and what it is doing, and the ability to have no notice inspections is important. to have that as a key part of the tool box that as a key part of the tool box that 0fsted have. some young people are so dependent on their smartphones that it becomes like an addiction, according to research. psychiatrists discovered almost a quarter of young people become panicky or upset if they are denied constant access to their fans. they also can‘t control the amount of time they spend on the phone. the study once such addictions have serious consequences for mental health. world famous free solar climber has died attempting to ascend the side of cliff face in
mexico. he broke the speed record two years ago on the el capitan summit. he fell 1000 feet to his death on wednesday. the 31—year—old american was best known for climbing without any safety equipment. the former mp, harvey proctor, has reached a settlement with scotland ya rd over reached a settlement with scotland yard over its investigation into false claims of a vip paedophile ring. the former conservative politician, whose home was raided following allegations made by the fantasist carl beech will be paid £900,000 in compensation and legal bills. the metropolitan police previously apologised for the m ista kes previously apologised for the mistakes made in the case. president trump has made a surprise visit to american troops in afghanistan, his first since taking office. as well as serving a traditional thanksgiving dinner and chatting with troops, he told them the us and taliban had been engaged in talks and he would reduce the american
military presence in the country substantially. and that is a summary of our main stories. back to joanna. and that is a summary of our main stories. back tojoanna. thank you. a row has broken out between channel a and the conservative party, after the broadcaster decided to empty chair borisjohnson in a tv leaders‘ debate last night, and put a block of ice in his place. five other party leaders took part in the hour—long discussion on climate change, but the prime minister and the brexit party leader, nigel farage, refused the invitation, so channel a put ice sculptures in their positions instead. the conservatives have written to the broadcasting regulator, 0fcom, accusing channel a of being provocative and impartial. sources at the party have also reportedly threatened to review their broadcasting licence if they win the election next month. the tories tried to send michael gove in mrjohnson‘s place — along with the prime minister‘s dad — but the producers insisted the debate was for leaders only, and turned them away. in a tweet, the editor of channel a news told the conservatives to stop
behaving like @realdonaldtrump with the press and media. put your leader @borisjohnson alongside the other leaders and stop playing games. don t refuse and then threaten our licence. its a slippery slope. all the parties complain labour said the prime minister was running scared. it came as mrjohnson refused to say whether he‘d be interviewed by the bbc‘s andrew neil — something jeremy corbyn, jo swinson, nicola sturgeon and mr farage have all agreed to. labour‘s john mcdonnell said the prime minister was avoiding interviews till after people had cast their postal votes. he‘s running scared because he knows andrew neil will take him apart. he is running scared, but, also, even if he does it now, he has played you, because he‘s pushing it later and later beyond the postal vote returns. joining me now are sonia sodha, who writes for the observer. stanley johnson, the prime minister‘s father. and lord grade, a former chairman of both the bbc and itv, and a conservative peer.
welcome. thank you very much. you and michael gove thought he would go instead of boris johnson, and michael gove thought he would go instead of borisjohnson, did you? hold on. slight error in the transmission. i was invited by channel a. i wasn‘t there for the conservative party. i was thrilled to be there. i should have gone on my bike, they sent a card from me. the real sadness about this whole thing is it was a very important debate. it has been slightly overshadowed with this 0fcom business and people getting upset about it. as far as i am concerned, michael gove was sent forward by the conservative party and channel a said, we don‘t want michael gove, we wa nt said, we don‘t want michael gove, we want the prime minister. tremendously naive on the part of the broadcaster. what is so naive? the other leaders had a view. and the view is that it was a debate amongst leaders, not somebody who wa nted amongst leaders, not somebody who wanted to substitute? do you know how many media fora there are out
there that could invite the prime minister? have you any idea of the number of things the prime minister has to do to this is an election campaign. it is an election campaign and he had a pretty full campaign down in the south—west. and he had a pretty full campaign down in the south-west. the reason for saying no by borisjohnson to the invitation originally, as i understand it, is not because it was about a diary clash but because he didn‘t want to silo the issue of climate change. that implies it is not being taken seriously. what i do know is on every possible occasion, andi know is on every possible occasion, and i know quite a lot about boris, as you can imagine, and i know about his environmental concerns, he grew up his environmental concerns, he grew up in the middle of exmoor national park. if you look at the statements he has made about the environment, animal welfare, nature protection etc, he is absolutely an environmentalist. people can say one thing and do another, can‘t they? he didn‘t shout up to this and it sends a message that as prime minister is
not taking it seriously. look at the conservative party manifesto. i have read all of the manifestos over the last 50 years. this is the best manner. as far as the environment is concerned i have ever seen. -- ma nifesto. concerned i have ever seen. -- manifesto. it looks like he is running scared. he has not committed to doing the andrew neil interview afterjeremy corbyn was on and he has not done this. easy afraid to debate? i've known this man ever since he was born. the idea that boris would run scared off why not committed to these things? hold on. asi committed to these things? hold on. as i tried to make these —— this point, you have full diary. what am i going to attend? what meetings am i going to attend? what meetings am i going to attend? what meetings am i going to do? he is apparently prepared to consider andrew marr on sunday. the bbc, andrew marr and borisjohnson sunday. the bbc, andrew marr and boris johnson have sunday. the bbc, andrew marr and borisjohnson have said they are just waiting to confirm that. if you can slot that in, why can‘t he slight andrew neil in? should he not just do itjust to prove he is not
afraid? i have no idea how these things are going to be sorted out. it is above his pay grade too. these are the people were sorting out who does what, where. just to concentrate on the main theme, the that boris is not fundamentally committed to environmental protection and the climate change, and to nature protection, it is a nonsense. what about proving that he is not afraid and actually taking up andrew neil‘s offer? andrew neil has said he is free any time, any place. is andrew neil a big cheese? andrew neil interviewed jeremy corbyn, as with the other party leaders. the jeremy corbyn interview was much criticised. now looking at that with a revised view saying at least they had the guts to go and do it. you know, i am a naive person in this whole area. and i say to myself, now i have seen it at first hand, people
who are prime minister have an enormous number of things to do, an enormous number of things to do, an enormous number of charges on their time. much as i respect the media world, i‘m sure you‘re all tremendously important, but in the end they may be other things for people to do. he must have a half—hour slot in his schedule where he can find the time to do an interview, when the context of not doing it is that people will say he is afraid? people like you will say it. people like me might say, actually he has got better things to do is like talk to some old people in an old people‘s com, which he did the other day because i went campaigning with him. it is incredibly important for politicians to get out during a campaign and meet people. but in the end if they have a message they feel strongly about and they want to get it to the maximum number of people, isn‘t the way to do that to take up those of actually property getting out to a wide audience on the telly? he spent three quarters of an hour in an old
people‘s, in 0xbridge and south ruislip, andi people‘s, in 0xbridge and south ruislip, and i would say that is as good a way of getting a message across as sitting on this wonderful show where i am now today. labour's clive lewis, after what happened with channel a, the tories are a p pa re ntly with channel a, the tories are apparently threatening to review channel a‘s license. clive lewis has said, borisjohnson channel a‘s license. clive lewis has said, boris johnson is channel a‘s license. clive lewis has said, borisjohnson is a coward and a bully. he thinks he is born to rule and is used to getting his own way and turns nasty when he doesn‘t. who is clive lewis? from the labour party. what does he do in the labour party? the point is he is saying your son is a coward and a bully. what do you say to that?|j your son is a coward and a bully. what do you say to that? i am amazed by the readiness of people in your sort of world to use words like coward and a bully and so so forth. he isa coward and a bully and so so forth. he is a politician. when he shouldn‘t use these sorts of words. in the old days you would say, see you at dawn. this is 2019. in terms
of whether this is a thread that is unseemly for the tory party to be issuing, to say that they will look at the licence. you are talking about the letter to the... you are talking about the director of 0fcom‘s letter about this event. it was a very well argued letter. he pointed out for example that mrs may would not empty chaired. i think it was a bbc debate. they were very happy to have amber rudd speaking for mrs may. the substance was there as far as for mrs may. the substance was there as farasi for mrs may. the substance was there as far as i am concerned, in the sense that the conservatives did absolutely clearly offer michael gove to speak in this debate. absolutely clearly offer michael gove to speak in this debatem absolutely clearly offer michael gove to speak in this debate. it is notjust the gove to speak in this debate. it is not just the letter though, gove to speak in this debate. it is notjust the letter though, is it? it isa notjust the letter though, is it? it is a thread conservative sources issued to the press saying they would review channel a's term as a public service broadcaster. that is
what people have a problem with.|j would like to hear what michael grade has to say. my view on this is that an organisation like channel a does have to be tremendously careful about the way it acts. i was very surprised, for example, when dorothy byrne made that speech which she made in edinburgh. very surprised. from channel a. she criticised boris johnson, the channel a boss, the edinburgh tv festival, called him a known liar. i am amazed by the ability of people in the public area. channel a is a public broadcaster. to use language like that... let‘s bring in lord grade. thank you forjoining us. what is your reaction to this row? the first thing to say is that of the alleged threat from an unknown source is a pretty empty threat. without knowing
who the source was, i suspect it is some lowly spads at the bottom of the totem pole who has an injudicious remark and it has been blown up as a thread. sorry to interrupt. does it matter if it is an anonymous threat at source... you say you won‘t take it seriously because you assume it is somebody lowly. it is something that has gone out there and it sends a message? no. it depends on the source. no elected politician of any party is ever going to threaten a national broadcaster in that way. they are not that stupid. they really aren't. but is it —— it is a message that has gone out on behalf of the party? it wasn't on behalf of the party. that isjournalese. it wasn't on behalf of the party. that is journalese. that it wasn't on behalf of the party. that isjournalese. that is somebody speaking out of turn. some lowly unnamed source. let's be very clear. channel a, under the normal process, is going to be reviewed in 2024 in
any event. its remit will be reviewed. that is predetermined. the journalists have put two and two together and made it a thread. no elected government, no opposition, is ever going to threaten in that manner. if needed i would be the first one to complain. let's put that story one side. channel 4 was frustrated obviously by the now show borisjohnson frustrated obviously by the now show boris johnson and nigel frustrated obviously by the now show borisjohnson and nigel farage.m you are a national news broadcaster you are a national news broadcaster you have to live with being frustrated, i'm afraid. if i was still chief executive of channel 4 i would never sanction an empty chair for the opposition, for the second, third or fourth party, for the government. it is making a political statement and they are in danger of being partial. ithink statement and they are in danger of being partial. i think it was a very, very serious mistake that channel 4 made last night. it was a political statement. let me
finish... they could very easily have made a statement to say that we made an invitation to the prime minister, he has refused to come. you don't empty chair him. you then let the leaders of the other parties make hay with that statement and make hay with that statement and make what they want of it. it is not for channel 4 news to be making those statements. this is very dangerous ground they have gone on to. do you think channel 4 should be sanctioned over this? that is for 0fcom, not the government. the government absolutely understand they have made a complaint which they have made a complaint which they are perfectly entitled to do, to the independent regulator, we are charged with ensuring impartiality. but i believe, and we will see what 0fcom says, i believe that channel 4 has made a political statement. the idea that they wouldn't allow michael gove onto the programme to represent the conservative party's views on the issue, is unforgivable.
they say the other leaders wouldn't agree to it. who is running the programme? if you choose in the end not to take up an invitation to speak, don‘t you lose your right to have any control over the way that the outcome of that is handled? fine, yes. but don't empty chair. that is a political statement. but there was an empty chair. he was invited as leader. the other leaders we re invited as leader. the other leaders were there. it's still a free country, you know. politicians can decide which shows they do and which they don't. the journalists don't run this country. they are not elected. the politicians are elected and they decide what they want to do. the journalists are getting above themselves. channel 4's decision is indefensible. sunnier, does this cut through to the voters? imean, i does this cut through to the voters? i mean, i think it will abate to people who follow politics very closely. but only to a limited extent. so i think the judgment that the conservatives have made, i
absolutely think that boris johnson is worried and his team are worried about him doing these debates. they see a lot of downside risk, a lot of stuff that could go wrong. they think they are ahead in the polls. that is why they are not doing them. they think it is better to take the better flag they made get for that from voters rather than put boris johnson at risk by putting him under the forensic scrutiny of one of the bbc's best interviewers, andrew neil. allsop putting on the channel for climate divide. i completely disagree with both stanleyjohnson and with michael grade. i don't think it is a political statement from channel 4. it was a leaders' debate. it was very clear it was a leaders' debate. they invited all the leaders. i think empty chairing someone is not political. they are invited, they chose not to take up the invitation and you are making that clear by having the empty podium. ithink that clear by having the empty podium. i think it was entirely legitimate. it's got people commenting at home. i will hear from
you ina commenting at home. i will hear from you in a moment, stanley. martin says, the fact that neither boris johnson nor nigel farage could be bothered to turn up for the debate proves they are not suitable to lead this country and their arrogance is unbelievable. jenny says, boris was absolutely right to send michael dell to talk about climate change. he has been an excellent environment minister with the best understanding of the country‘s issues. good for boris to send an expert. these debates do nothing but show people being rude to one another. neville says the tories have not got a leg to stand on. it was a leaders‘ debate. unless there was a coup yesterday, boris pinocchiojohnson is leader of the conservative party and he doesn‘t want to stand up to scrutiny. in other on twitter says, who sends their dad in to defend their actions on the bbc? let's come back to that. nobody sent a dad in. i arrived because channel a invited me. i pay tribute to channel a for holding the debate. let‘s just for a moment realised it was an extremely
important moment and the idea that boris, the prime minister, is not totally dedicated to getting the environmental... sorry, the comment there was, who sends their dad into defend his actions on the bbc. you have been doing broadcast interviews this morning. hold on. i was talking, i think, this morning. hold on. i was talking, ithink, on this morning. hold on. i was talking, i think, on some bbc programme this morning. somebody came in and said, could you come in on the victoria derbyshire programme? and we are grateful you have come in to talk to us. i guess the point being asked... did you have a conversation with boris?|j have a conversation with boris?|j have had no communications with the conservative party since i was on air last night with michael gove. bewildered that he had arrived at... by bewildered that he had arrived at... by the way, he happened to arrive the same time as me. bewildered that channel a said, you can‘t have michael gove on ——. he will be there. i hope the house of lords doesn‘t get abolished. which it will get a list of carbon comes in. i'm
just making that point. —— for which it will get abolished. what about the calling son pinocchio? that is a problem with literacy, which i think the great british public doesn‘t have. what you by that? i don't want to go into it. they couldn‘t spell pinocchio if they tried. can you speu pinocchio if they tried. can you spell pinocchio? whether i can are not, i don‘t think it is something to be critical of. i go back to what isaid to be critical of. i go back to what i said before. to be critical of. i go back to what isaid before. i to be critical of. i go back to what i said before. i was trying to say it in i said before. i was trying to say itina i said before. i was trying to say it in a humorous way. i think it is utterly absurd and wrong that you can read out on air a tweet coming in from one of your readers, on air, which calls the prime minister a liar. i think it‘s amazing you can do that. amazing. i want to read something else out to you that has been, that has come back to
prominence, something your son wrote in 1995 on single mothers, an article in which he describes single mothers is irresponsible, these children of single mothers as ignorant, aggressive and ill raise. these are things that are being set on the record, written on the record that have greatly upset people. whose record are we talking about? he wrote it. this was in 1995. i have a great collection of books written by boris. i have a great collection of books that i have written. i‘m sure there are some things in this —— those. i once wrote a thing about birth control andi wrote a thing about birth control and i attacked the pope and called on the greatest hazard to humanity. iam sure on the greatest hazard to humanity. i am sure on a political campaign that would be brought up again. this is all nonsense. sorry, but this is somebody standing to be prime minister. it sounds like you are saying that people can say something, they don‘t mean it, we
can forget about it. why are we attacking duo borisjohnson on this programme? this is way off the issue. let's listen to lord grade. why is it way off the issue? we are talking about this because he didn‘t go to an interview last night. what is it in the british constitution that says the prime minister is obliged to accept invitations from journalists. here, here. it is the arrogance of the journalists that is unbelievable in this instance. i can't believe what i'm hearing. jeremy corbyn went and did the interview with andrew neil. who has he turned down? i don't know the a nswer to he turned down? i don't know the answer to that. the point is he went and it did an interview and in the aftermath of that interview there was an expectation that all of the latest out have a word of the today show and see how many times he has
been invited on and he has turned it down? that wasn't a story. i don't understand this. there was an expectation that all of the leaders... whose expectation? the editor of channel 4 news? that all of the leaders would do interviews with andrew neil and borisjohnson, it seems, is unable, there is no data greed for him to do the interview. he is not obliged to do it. it is a question of scrutiny in an election period, isn‘t it? it. it is a question of scrutiny in an election period, isn't it? the man as prime minister. he is not obliged to do anything. he will make its own judgments about which journalists and which programmes he will do, in the same whetherjeremy corbyn does and all the other leaders do. they are turning down invitations all day and all night. would you expect him not to do the andrew neil interview now? do you think he should? it is his decision. he is not obliged to do it under any
circumstance. lord grade hasjust said it betrays the arrogance of the journalism class. i'm sorry, but i think this shows the arrogance of the prime minister. this is prime time television, you are subjecting yourself to scrutiny by one of the most forensic interviewers in the business. other leaders have been doing this. borisjohnson is immensely arrogant to voters. why haven't they agreed on a date yet? he absolutely would not commit to it when he was asked by a bbc journalist. i'm sorry, but you are prime minister. if you cannot commit that micro do you know something, sonia? when you are prime minister you have an array of responsibilities which go far beyond anything you could imagine. anything you can imagine. no, i can imagine. then you have also to imagine, you
have to decide what you can spare the time to do, because it‘s always a question of competing obligations. iam not a question of competing obligations. i am not here to talk about the andrew neil show. i am sorry to call him 0‘neill. my mistake. i am not going to talk about that. what i am here to talk about is the fact that this was a moment for me, as an environmentalist, i guess i am there in that capacity, when key issues like climate change and nature protection have come to the fore. the good thing i will say about corbyn last night as he did say some good things about cuckoos. he is not entirely cuckoo, this man. and that is not as bad a comment as pinocchio. he said the cuckoo is disappearing in this country because of the effect of spreading deserts in west africa. now if that doesn‘t bring the issue home to you, to me,
so that was why that debate was worth having. and it would have been even embellished by michael gove. he would have been superb. i am sorry he wasn‘t there. would have been superb. i am sorry he wasn't there. thank you all very much forjoining us. thank you. some breaking news. unai emery has been sacked as arsenal manager after only 18 months in charge. arsenal lost 2—1 to entracht frankfurt in the europa league last night, meaning they are now seven games without a win — the worst run of form for 27 years. ina in a statement arsenal side results and performances had not been of the level required and if he searched for a replacement is under way. borisjohnson has been on a phone—in for lbc this morning, taking viewers calls, where he was pressed again on his policies. 0ur political correspondent, iain watson, is in westminster. what was said, ian? it was a wide—ranging interview, to be fair. a whole range of topics. i think it is fairto a whole range of topics. i think it is fair to say, perhaps boris johnson‘s father may agree with
this, i don‘t know, but he is not necessarily a details man. he much prefers a bigger picture. but he was asked since he is determined to take britain out of the european union by the end of january, britain out of the european union by the end ofjanuary, what britain out of the european union by the end of january, what other trade deals might be in the offing. he didn‘t seem to be too sure about the exact number. talks are under way with many countries around the world. how many deals have been signed? i can't give you the answer about how many deals have been formalised. you don't know how many deals have been done, prime minister? we can‘t conclude. how many are oven ready? there are a number that many are oven ready? there are a numberthat are oven many are oven ready? there are a number that are oven ready. i would have to come back and give you the number. 15? there are a number virtually ready to go. someone said to me isa virtually ready to go. someone said to me is a question of being oven ready, or does even have the ingredients for some of the trade deals? his answer would be until we
are out of the european union, we don‘t get control of their own tariffs. no deal would be a certainty. he was also asked about other numbers as well. for example, he was asked about the pledge to have 50,000 more nurses. there was an interesting riddle. what is the difference between moore and new? the answer seems to be 31,000. what borisjohnson was pointing out, very clearly, was that he was pledging to have 50,000 more nurses, including 19,000 who would be retained in their currentjob rather than perhaps leaving, and 31,000 new nurses. he pointed out he had never pledged that all 50,000 were actually new. and again, showing some difficulty with numbers, he was asked quite straightforwardly by the lbc presenter how many children did he have. he couldn‘t answer that question either. 0r chose not to a nswer question either. 0r chose not to answer it. he said he would not put them on the pitch at this election. but nick ferrari because my point
was this. there are codes in the daily mirror, dredged up from the spectator, talking about single mothers and the fact that they had raised illegitimate children. they had been ill raised. the question was put, why was the prime minister not telling us about whether he was involved in the lives of his own children were commenting on how other children raised theirs? he stuck to his usual position, not to talk about his personal life at all. a further this was his answer. what you need to do is bring together. nobody will have to ever sell their home again. we need to ensure that people don't face the injustice of having to sell their home to pay for
the cost of their care. there is a growing consensus that is the way forward but we need to take the politics out of this and bring parties together and get on and do it. they will be listeners to this thinking how marvellous, none doesn't have to sell the bungalow, the prime minister has issued a policy but you don't have a clue how much it will cost. the exact details have not been thrashed out. so how can you promise it? boris johnson said the political —— politics should be taken out of this issue. moving briefly from policy to process , we moving briefly from policy to process, we came closer to answer to the questions, he was asked would you talk to the bbc‘s andrew neil and he said he would prefer to talk about his policies. after that
interview this morning he wasn‘t keen to do so. and now, it‘s the second in our series election blind dates, where we match up two people with opposing political views and get them to have lunch. they genuinely don‘t know who they are going to meet before they walk through the door. professional darts player bobby george voted remain in the eu referendum, but now he‘s backing borisjohnson and thinks it‘s time to leave with a deal. so what will he make of drag performer courtney act who says it‘s time to put the choice back to the people in a second referendum, and prefers jeremy corbyn. they share a love of sequins and big jewellery, but will they find anything else to agree about? here‘s what happened when bobby met courtney, and a warning that there‘s some mild bad language in this piece.
look at the camera here, look here. i‘m going on a blind date, you guys. hello. my name is courtney act and i am a drag performer. i‘m fun and i‘m easy going, but i do love to get down and dirty on the deep topics. hello! i'm bobby george, i'm a professional dart player. i like a laugh and a joke — fun. the trouble with the politicians today, they all tell lies. complete mistruths. dangerous and divisive. i like the space in between. you know, everything‘s so polarised. it‘s all black and white and boy and girl and labour and tory. boris. they're all liars, but he's a better liar than all of them. jeremy corbyn. he would be the lesser of two evils. brexit. everybody‘s favorite subject. am i right? it's gone on and on and on and on. it's bolitics, not politics. that's a good one, innit? leave that in — don't cut it out.
are you my blind date? hello. i‘m courtney. hello. oh, thank you, sir. what's your name? courtney act, how are you? courtney? courtney. i see we have a similar penchant for bling. i've got the real stuff. not mickey mouse stuff. nice. what are we going to talk about? well, you start me off and i'll talk. all right, what do you do? i play darts for a living. 0h, 0k. do you often go on blind dates? no, darling. no. so what do you actually do for a living? i‘m a drag performer. i can see that, darling. you don't mind if i call you darling, do you? you can call me darling, darling. if i was going to vote. i'd vote for boris johnson. not because he's a great politician. he's the biggest lie out of all of them. so you want to vote for that?
yeah, because they all tell lies, but he's the biggest lie. i‘m struggling to understand how this person, who is one of the big players in selling these lies of brexit, is somebody that you want as the prime minister. why do you want your prime minister to lie to you? well, he's got a bit of charisma, really, to be honest with you. he definitely has charisma. he ain't as silly as he acts. i‘m struggling with your logic here. who would you vote for? well, i can‘t vote, because i‘m australian. if you could. i‘ll give you a politician‘s answer. if i was... i wouldn‘t vote for borisjohnson. right. and i would probably vote for the lib dems, withjeremy corbyn becoming the leader, and then and, you know, a larger influence in the coalition. labour, you know, i couldn't have him. he's nuts. don't shave, he don't dress up, he's scruffy. right? what if we shaved him, gave him a bit of bling? i've never seen him smile. yeah. he's getting on a bit. hey, siri, how old isjeremy corbyn? jeremy corbyn is 70 years old.
70? yeah. 0h, he's a baby. i like bacon, but i've got it in my teeth. i mean, obviously, brexit is a huge thing with this election, right? i don‘t think people really understood what they were voting for. i think you're right, doll. at the time. yeah. so are you saying that you would have remained in the eu? yeah, i would have said, because i've had a good life. for 40—odd years, we've been in that system. and i've had 40 years... nice. no aggro. doing the deal and then putting it to the people and saying, 0k, now what do you think? that sounds like a good way to go. it would. yeah. but to do it, would be naughty to do
it, because it's not... i feel like... it's not the system. but don‘t you think the first vote on brexit was not fair and, therefore, that‘s naughty? it's not fair because they told lies — yeah, i agree with you. so that was naughty. so this would actually be... that was naughty, yeah. so that was naughty, so this would actually be un—naughty, because that one was the naughty one. how can you go back and say we'll have another — it's not fair to the people who voted. but then the people who voted, probably one third said, "oh, no, i wish we had never done that." exactly. because they told lies. because they were told lies. so you agree with me on that? that's what i think. that's good. yeah, yeah. so why wouldn‘t you have a second referendum? because you're going against... nah. a bloke who has worked, he's 60 years old, he gets redundant. right? very hard to get a job at 60. he's got to go on the dole. yeah. he must hate it. yeah, but... but at least he gets something, because he's worked all them years. but not the person that hasn't done nothing. i call it the drip...
i call it on, you know, the hand—out. we call it the dole in australia. so the drip and the dole. they go on the drip and then they've got three kids. so they put me in a house, they pay their rent, they pay the rates. i think it‘s been shown that, when given the opportunity, people do want to work. they struggle with finding jobs. i mean, that is an issue. they've all got bad backs and all that. but they go and play golg three times a week. yeah, it annoys me, that sort of thing. when someone's working hard... i‘m just laughing at the golf thing. but it's true. i lived in the united states for eight years, where they have a very, very poor social housing, social welfare system. there‘s no nhs. and everybody‘s living in this state of fear where they‘re just worried, like, what if something happens to me, to my family? and so ijust kind of come here and i look at the welfare system. it‘s such an amazing thing that the united kingdom... it's good. yeah. people take advantage of it. if you had a pair, i'd marry you, do you know that?!
i do — they‘re in my other bag. overseas people coming over having jobs. we need overseas people, like for the hospital, especially the hospitals. because all of the doctors... more or less overseas. the nurses, we need that. but it's when they come over, haven't got a job, then they go on the drip. the thing about immigration is it‘s one word, but it‘s actually a lot of different things. there‘s immigration from the eu. there‘s immigration from other countries around the world. also, not quite immigration, but there‘s refugees, which is a whole other topic. refugees. i think it's out of order. oh, you don‘t think refugees should be allowed to claim refugee status? there's too many. you have so many...look at germany — took so many, they keep going to germany. where do the refugees go, though? don't know. there‘s so many people in the world who are displaced right now. and there‘s all of these people fleeing wartorn countries. i think we shouldn't let them in, that's it.
well, i think, quite often... we've got to keep them. i know it's a terrible thing to say. what if they get killed in that country for staying there? well, you know, they've got killed, that's it. phone rings. excuse me. that‘ll be your next blind date. 0h, hello, boris! yeah, i'm filming at the moment. kids. two things i don't really like in the world. kids and snow. but snow goes away. 0h. it's been nice to meet you. it‘s been lovely to meet you. thank you. 0h, hello! i think you‘re a lovely guy. i think we had a good chat and there‘s no need for people to argue or fight about things. and i enjoyed it.
i think you're the best—looking guy i've ever met. did you know that? thank you, bobby. will you see each other again? i don‘t know. # we'll meet again. # don‘t know where, don‘t know when. # but i know we'll meet again some sunny day.# aw. like the boots. thank you. i think it‘s a match. we‘ve got another one coming up next week so watch out for that one as well. more than 1a0 children s charities are calling on political leaders to set out their solutions to social problems which they say are leaving millions of children scarred for life. in an open letter to all political parties, organisations including the national children s bureau, nspcc and barnardo s, say young people are being crowded out of the discussion on the nation‘s future, leaving their needs overlooked.
four million children are living in poverty, while every 15 minutes a child is taken into care. one in eight 5 to 19 year olds have at least one mental health condition, according to the charities. well let‘s talk to david oladeimeji, who is only 16 years old and already has two friends who have been victims of knife crime. he said early intervention changed his life for the better. sayce holmes—lewis from mentivity, an intervention scheme which mentors young at risk young children anna feuchtwang who‘s chief executive of the national children s bureau and chair of the end child poverty coalition. the labour party‘s sarah jones was chair of the all—party committee on knife crime in the last parliament. she joins us via skype. and in our oxford studios is layla moran the liberal democrat candidate for oxford west & abingdon and the party‘s spokesperson for education. we asked the conservatives for someone tojoin our discussion but they didn‘t have anyone available.
what are you hoping to achieve with this letter? we want children's voices to come out in this election period. we feel young people are just not being heard. they don‘t get a vote and they are not being heard. we wa nt a vote and they are not being heard. we want all political parties to say today how they would prioritise young people particularly vulnerable young people particularly vulnerable young people particularly vulnerable young people in the next government. and we really want to make sure vulnerable young people are front of the queue for investments because if we don‘t invest in them now we know the future is going to be so much worse. we have a 16-year-old here. you are the voice of the young people. what are the issues that you would like politicians to hear?“ people. what are the issues that you would like politicians to hear? ifi was a politician i would give funding to youth organisations to get tickets at a young age to improve their lives in the future. i would ask the politicians what would
they do to improve young people's lives. let's put that straight to the politicians. i just lives. let's put that straight to the politicians. ijust want lives. let's put that straight to the politicians. i just want to thank the charity are sending this letter. in our manifesto we would put £500 million extra a year to youth services. i think that's one of the key causes and young people say they are not happy at school and we need more funding for schools also so there is that balanced curriculum, that teachers have the time to do the pastoral care they need to. if they are not having a good time at school they need another place to go to and! school they need another place to go to and i would point people to the fa ct to and i would point people to the fact the resolution foundation has looked at the liberal democrat manifesto and said it's the most
progressive of the main parties and the children and child poverty would fall by 600000 and our plans. but there is not one silver bullet. you also need to fix universal credit and invest in mental health. that is and invest in mental health. that is an underfunded area. sarah jones, what would your party do? it's right that we are talking about their sand from the last place we had before with the whole shard about boris johnson, these are the issues we need to be talking about in this general election. in my borough alone there are 1400 children who la st alone there are 1400 children who last night slept in emergency bed—and—breakfast and hostels. this
affects young people across the board. there are issues we need to tackle way funding has been ripped out. my area of knife crime, people get involved in crime for many reasons but it's mainly because they are not getting help to make the right choices. we want to double investment in mental health for young people because that is a real issue and people across the country will know that. we want to put those youth services back so we professionalised the service and treated with respect and the importance it deserves and make sure we are looking in our schools. people are not getting support. so they end up playing up in school because they are not getting the support they need and they get
excluded. you have both outlined what he would do. do you think the politicians are getting it? not all of them. the lib dems have been complicit in the youth cuts of 2010. we lost 80 million from youth services. that is a major issue. i have been working with david for the la st have been working with david for the last three and half years and he was having troubles in school but he needed guidance and early intervention. for me at all lip service. the money promise does not re cover service. the money promise does not recover the kits we have lost over the last ten years. it's an issue for us but we need that support and to find other ways of getting funding. we are doing the work on the ground and we see the issues in many schools but we don't have the
support that's needed. a final thought from you david. you had the support. how important has it been to your life? very important because the impact on my life would have been totally different. i had aspirations but i wasn't able to do those things because of things that we re those things because of things that were happening at school and at home. there was a lack of opportunity to achieve my goals and aspirations. what are your goals? i wanted to be an athlete and then i wanted to be an athlete and then i wanted to be an athlete and then i wanted to be a footballer. now i wa nt wanted to be a footballer. now i want to go to sports physiotherapy.
thank you forjoining us. the victims relatives the verdict was a blow at the end of a lengthy process. i spoke to louise brookes earlier. her brother andrew died at hillsborough and i asked how she feels knowing that potentially nobody will be found responsible in a court of law for what happened on the day brother died. a court of law for what happened on the day brother diedlj a court of law for what happened on the day brother died. i think it's absolutely outrageous and the justice system needs looking at. i have e—mailed dame vera blurred the victims commissioner and i would like to have a meeting with her. i have a lot of issues i would like to discuss with her. i never want anotherfamily discuss with her. i never want another family member in the future to experience what the hillsborough families experienced. it definitely
needs re—looking at. when you‘ve got someone who has already admitted to a criminal standard that they are responsible for the deaths of 96 people, i know he was charged with 95, but tony bland would still be alive if he hadn‘t have gone to hillsborough. it‘s 96 as far as i‘m concerned. how a judge can be so hell—bent on playing the victim card in terms of he was an old man, he‘s got ptsd, you know. the prosecution weren‘t allowed to bring any emotive into the case. they were hardly any photos shown to the jury, hardly any footage showing. you wouldn‘t have known that 96 people had died that day. several families have said they
have never been able to grieve for loved ones because of the fact it went from a loss to a fight. have you ever been able to grieve andrew? no. my mum passed away in 2000. i buried my father ten days before the last inquest began. i was 17 when andrew died. four weeks before my 18th birthday. david duckenfield was backin 18th birthday. david duckenfield was back in the same control box on my 18th birthday four weeks after the disaster. he obviously felt he was a competent match commander to go back to the crime scene basically. he had no qualms. he obviously didn‘t have ptsd then. i was meant to be having a party and my brother would have been life celebrating it with me. andrew was nine years than me. for
andrew was nine years than me. for andrew to have seen me reach my 18th birthday i think it would have brought us even closer together. i will be a9 in may next year and all i‘ve done from 17 to a8 is fight for justice. what kind of country allows innocent law—abiding victims to go to their graves never having anyone held accountable for their deaths. louise brookes whose brother died in the hillsborough disaster. in the time this programme has been in the 835 people in the uk would have been diagnosed with cancer. macmillan cancer support says the number of people living with the disease is dramatically increasing because of a number of factors. sarah mills was diagnosed with cancer last year and she is currently in remission. also with me is amanda mahoney who was
initially diagnosed with breast cancer and is now living with treatable but not curable cancer. you are living with cancer that will never be cured. tell us what your life has been like. i was first diagnosed in 2011. i think there is a big difference between being a primary diagnosed patients in the metastatic patient. just explain that. metastatic is when the cancer has spread on the stage for diagnosis is once you know the cancer is treatable but not curable. there has been a big difference in learning to live with cancer and choosing to thrive with cancer rather than sitting at home and waiting to die from it. that has taken a real shift in mindset and something i‘ve only achieved since
the beginning of this year. so that has been eight years in the making. how did you get to that point?|j don‘t know. i think it was a gradual process. i have to accept my scans of every three months and i am living with that. your life is compartmentalised. absolutely. you have a month where you are dealing with the results in the month getting ready for the next set of results. you have been in remission for 18 months but it‘s the same for you, you constantly have a deadline you, you constantly have a deadline you are having to face. how is it dealing with that? my cancer was removed but the chances of it returning a not insignificant. i get scanned every six months. if this horrible cloud to live under and what i'm finding is that everything
is happening much more slowly because there aren't enough people on the ground. my last set of scans because i didn't have a nurse specialist at that point there was no point of contact at the hospital could tell me when i was going to get the results, who is going to deliver them and of course what they were. sol deliver them and of course what they were. so i wasjust waiting. the phone could have rung at any point to tell me life or death news. life must feel like it‘s on hold. com pletely must feel like it‘s on hold. completely on hold. none of us know what‘s around the corner in our lives. there are dozens of people who will have had a cancer diagnosis while we have been on the air. it took you a very long time to get to the point you are at now which is a positive place, but in terms of that moment when somebody takes the call of the face—to—face conversation, what would you say to people out
there who might end up having to deal with that? what can you say? there is life after cancer. and there is life with. you forget who you are or who you were before cancer happened to you and it takes a while. i don't know if some of us ever get it back. you are just who you are at that point. it is so precarious. but there is life before, during and with. and there is help as well. the staff working at the hospital to look after me have just been absolutely wonderful and they could not have done more for me. and it's tough for the loved ones as well. absolutely. they live with you through it. and they have to learn how to deal with you. what did you find with it in terms of best support? people just need to be
there. and to remember who you were before because i am still manly but iam mandy before because i am still manly but i am mandy with cancer. i am not a cancer patient, that‘s not what defines me. there is more to me than having cancer. it'sjust part of who you are. thank you both very much for coming in and talking to us. thank you for your company today. the bbc newsroom live is coming up next. i will see you soon. have a good weekend. goodbye. it was a cold and frosty start of the day but i don‘t think many of us minded that because we had some of this, lots of sunshine and a welcome change for most of us. we will keep
that sunshine into the afternoon in most areas. one or two showers across the north—east of scotland and eastern parts of england. a bit of cloud to the south—west of england. elsewhere, the blue skies will continue. maximum temperatures lower than recent days. through tonight they will be mist and fog developing across central areas and that will be quite dense tomorrow morning but the main thing for many of us is they will be a widespread frost tonight. the mist and the fog across central areas may well ask for much of the day on saturday and it will feel pretty cold. some rain in the south—west of england. elsewhere some sunshine. centring on sunday. goodbye for now.
you re watching bbc newsroom live. it‘s 11am and these are the main stories this morning: up to a,500 jobs are at risk at energy firm npower as a restructuring plan is announced. we‘ll be hearing from the chief executive of its incoming owners e.on in the next few moments. the row between the conservatives and broadcaster channel a intensifies after a block of ice is used in place of borisjohnson during a tv debate on climate change. meanwhile, this morning the prime ministerfaced questions on his social care policy, but couldn‘t say how much some pledges would cost. what you need to do is... how much would it cost so no—one would have to sell their home? we need to bring together... you don't know, do you? i can‘t give you that figure now, no. right, so you would issue a promise like this, no—one will ever have
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