tv The Papers BBC News July 12, 2020 10:30pm-11:01pm BST
hello and welcome to our look ahead to what the the papers will be bringing us tomorrow. with me are the broadcaster and psychotherapist, lucy beresford and the chief political commentator at the independent, john rentoul. tomorrow's front pages starting with since it is after watershed we can tell her that she is known as the naughty mary poppins. we will bring you up—to—date with what we will be talking about. the guardian leads on an investigation into council finances, saying that they're set to lose millions as income from investments has been badly hit due to the coronavirus pandemic. the telegraph says foreign criminals sentenced to more than a year injail will be banned from britain under new immigration rules. the metro reports on what it's calling muddled messages from the government over rules on face coverings and masks.
showing borisjohnson showing boris johnson and showing borisjohnson and a mask and michael gove opining that they should not be mandatory in television today. the financial times says that the government is planning to withhold power to control state aid from the uk's devolved nations when the brexit transition ends. the i reports peers will challenge ministers to stop outdoor smoking in return for permission to serve "pavement drinks". and the mirror leads on a plea from the footballerjack charlton's grieving brother tommy, who says the england world cup legend should be knighted. so, let's begin. lucy would you like to kick us off on the metro? what is the model the paper is so worried about? on the metro? what is the model the paper is so worried abounm on the metro? what is the model the paper is so worried about? it is the fa ct paper is so worried about? it is the fact that the government cannot quite decide whether we should be wearing masks particularly in shops crowded spaces but even just outside. and when you do not have clear messaging you will find it
very difficult to bring the nation with you. i think what is very interesting is countries that were affected by sa rs for interesting is countries that were affected by sars for example in asia have much more of a history of wearing masks. it is compulsory there and there are some pretty hefty fines if you are found not wearing a mask and as a result everybody does and the infection rates are coming down. we have not got such a certainty. when the messaging was very clear, stay at home, save lives, protect the nhs, everybody knew what those words were. the site —— the message is really wobbly and everyone is being left u p really wobbly and everyone is being left up to common sense, my version of common sense may be different from someone else's. i find myself now the only person wearing a mask ina now the only person wearing a mask in a supermarket wearing gloves and eve ryo ne in a supermarket wearing gloves and everyone else around me is squeezing avocados with their bare hands talking over the products. and it just makes people feel more afraid. if they want to get the nation in
restau ra nts, if they want to get the nation in restaurants, in bars, going back to the office on public transport, they are going to have to have much clearer messaging and make it mandatory. john, picking up what lucy was saying i have travelled in on the london underground the last couple of weekends and in the week and according to the rules taken to war my mess, quite a lot of people not bothering. there is some ambiguity, i wonder if you think this is deliberate, this weekend. the government is try to please everybody with boris saying we have to get tougher and michael gove saying —— being the nice cop and saying —— being the nice cop and saying you are smart folk. the government cannot have it both ways and there's no ambiguity on the underground, it is compulsory, a lot of people don't do but those are the rules. it sort of makes lucy's point which is that even if the government
did make it compulsory you would not necessary get anything like 100% compliance which shocks the sort of one area where there is confusion in the government's messages because after purvisjohnson's the government's messages because after purvis johnson's people's the government's messages because after purvisjohnson's people's pm cues oi'i after purvisjohnson's people's pm cues on friday, we were given a strong steer from downing street sources that the government would be making it compulsory to wear a mask. —— borisjohnson's making it compulsory to wear a mask. —— boris johnson's pmq. making it compulsory to wear a mask. —— borisjohnson's pmq. within michael gove saying no they want and goodness knows what people will make of all of this. john tickets to the front of the telegraph with a photo we have waiting for months to see, donald trump masked up. —— take us to the front. a striking figure find by two military office behind him. boris was wearing a mask at his constituency when he met shop owners there. do you think there are so we
relu cta ntly there. do you think there are so we reluctantly being converted ? there. do you think there are so we reluctantly being converted? there is no doubt about what the government pots a position actually is if you read the guidance. the government says where you cannot maintaina two government says where you cannot maintain a two metre distance and an enclosed space, you should wear a face covering. but the question is whether they are going to make it compulsory and the other question that i have personally is how much difference with that actually make? but the government's position is clear in the sense that if you read the guidelines, that is what it says. but it is not clear in the sense that michael gove is saying it should not be compulsory and boris johnson was hinting on friday that it should be. lucyjust to bring in on this, it is quite interesting where we will leave the american figures for another time, but interesting story on the front of the telegraph to mention in passing this worrying one suggesting the
antibodies that people are thinking they have got and gives them some protection from being reinfected may not last more than a few months after they have had covid—i9. not last more than a few months after they have had covid-19. there has been a study that looked at how long people appear to have those antibodies and it did appear that from the date of your infection that perhaps her anti—body, the presence of antibodies in your blood was not as high and that suggests that we might be prone to having read infections in the same way as many of us get the winter cold every year that we might have to think about a different modelling in terms of whether we can relax and think... or if we have to maintain vigilance. this speaks to the mask idea that in a way even if the science is not com pletely a way even if the science is not completely concrete about wearing masks and whether it is really valid and actually helps, it cannot hurt,
it cannot really hurt and random things like michael gove suggesting that i need to work out if the room iam that i need to work out if the room i am wintering —— entering is well ventilated, what am i to do, go to the manager of a supermarket and asked assuring the graphics of his ventilation system? the message needs to be clear and we need to have more of the scientific models showing what are the risks and what resista nce showing what are the risks and what resistance do we have? will we not have any resistance come next winter? talking of the risks, what you make of the front page of the i, it seems that the house of lords is saying we would do a deal to stop outdoor smoking in return for allowing licencing rules to be changed to allow people to be served strings on the pavement? well, maybe they have been stung by some of the criticism around rishi sunak‘s meal deal last week which had quite a low
price threshold which then led people to think that it would only be spent in globe great eateries or above are great eating establishments or restaurants as most of us call them. and they may be thinking if we are trying to encourage people to eat and drink more, we do not want to be accused of creating a different health crisis so perhaps we ought to clamp down on smoking. we are not allowed to smoke inside a restaurant so what happens if you move the restaurant out onto the pavement? they are just kind of increasing the territorial spread of that legal remit which says you cannot smoke in the space of the eatery even if that eatery is now on a terrace, on a pavement and open to the sky. what do you make of thatjohn as a small l liberal from a small l liberal newspaper, do you think that is encouraging freedom to
far? i think it is a rethink us idea and you cannot expect restaurants to stop people smoking outdoors. it is only a useful purpose of this story to remind people that there are other consequences of the lockdown and the restrictions. other than just covid and there are health implications of pretty much everything we do. so, i welcome that because i think it is quite important that people should get back to work and get the economy going again for people on—site mental health, physical health and for the well—being of the economy. was look at the front page of the st, an organised photo of the button family —— of the bollywood family sick with covid now... he has
been the man leading the public information campaign to have people wear a mask but below that is a story about state aid, lucy, which might be setting a stage for another route between london and cardiff and and bro. . -- row between london and cardiff and and bro. boris johnson has been an advocate of take—back control which businesses get state aid something he has been talking about for very many months and the eu have been criticising him saying he could risk disrupting for example the trade talks. and as a result we are going to find out later this week what some of those trade talks have resulted in. what the government is now saying is because it was the uk that left the eu, we
would like to have control as to which british companies get state aid and the welsh and scottish governments have said "we would prefer governments have said "we would p refer to governments have said "we would prefer to actually be in control of that". one interesting angle of this is to recognise that the eu were having an influence on how for example the state aid money that our government wanted to give to businesses that were struggling during covid, how much of that was restricted by brussels and i think this speaks to boris's there that having voted to leave europe, we don't want to discover that we have that the eu in through the back door. so, he wants to have a policy thatis door. so, he wants to have a policy that is much more uk wide and that will probably rub the scottish and welsh governments up the wrong way. john briefly on this this has been a regular grumble of those critics of
the eu that state aid rules and they felt other countries like france we re felt other countries like france were interpreting the brussels rules rather more liberally than we ever did. that is true, sa economic liberal, i opposed state aid and subsidy on subsidy on a whole and thatis subsidy on subsidy on a whole and that is one of the important features of the european single market was that it prevented governments from subsidising companies unfairly. —— as a small l liberal. i don't see why the scottish government should have the power to do that anyway. wes and this paper review and we will be back here at 11:30pm and working at more stories then, the mirror‘s front page saint it is time to honourjack charlton. i was a st lucie to ray howerton who was a republic of ireland player chosen by jack charlton and said he thought it was a scandal that jack and the other members of the 1966 world cup winning team had not been knighted.
there he is holding the world cup high above him after the win with bobby moore patting him on the back there, a lovely photograph. do you think a posthumous knighthood would be justified? i think that would be a rather elegant way of doing it. if you look at how many contemporary athletes and sports people already have knighthoods, we have andy murray, sir andrew strauss, to imagine that heroes who played a very long time ago and really lifted the morale of the nation, arguably one of the biggest sporting triumphs that the nation had had after world war ii and that these players have not been recognised i was actually quite astonished to discover that they have not. i think it is important. john one word yes or no?
noi important. john one word yes or no? nolam important. john one word yes or no? no i am against posthumous knighthoods! john if you want tonight him, he must be alive. and lucy who would be a nice dame i'm sure. he would talk to you at 11:30pm. we will be backjust after the weather, a special programme hosted by kasia madera on the polish election. do stay with us on bbc news. now on bbc news, a long—awaited review into three medical treatments has found women weren't warned about the risks and — when things went wrong — doctors didn't believe them. the baroness cumberlege review, published this week, listed failings in how patients have been treated by the healthcare system, spanning a period of more than 50 years. reporter anna collinson talked to some of those affected. they were not warned
about the risks. the more we found out about this, the more it's made us actually really quite angry. when things went wrong, they weren't believed. i listened to doctors who treated me as a hysterical parent and thought, "well, i must be going mad." now, a long—awaited review says many lives have been ruined because the health system didn't listen to women. mesh has robbed me of the person i used to be. my life is completely different. the baroness cumberlege review focuses on the pregnancy test primodos. the drug, sodium valproate, and pelvic mesh. this is the story of three health scandals and their devastating impact. it takes 270 pages to list the failings, missed opportunities and the pain inflicted on tens of thousands of people. baroness cumberlege says all families affected deserve an immediate apology from the authorities and financial support. she's also made a list of several recommendations
to prevent future harm, and is adamant they will happen. daniel mason has to work far harder to do the simplest of tasks. he was born without hands and other life changing injuries. when daniel was born, doctors told his parents they should abandon him and have another baby. they refused but, 50 years on, it's still a painful thought for daniel. the idea of saying, we think you should get rid of your child to a dumping ground, in effect, by 1970, isjust quite... well, it takes the breath away. like many women, between the 1950s and 1970s, daniel's mum used to hormone pregnancy test primodos.
the hormone pregnancy test primodos. if they bled after taking two tablets, it meant they were not pregnant. the drug was removed from the market in 1978, but its manufacturer denies there is a link between primodos and babies being born with birth defects. hundreds of families disagreed and have been campaigning for recognition for decades. the more we found out about this, the more it's made us actually really quite angry, not just for ourselves but as a family, butjust thinking of the trauma that so many people have gone through. i do get quite severe depressive episodes, and that has been going on for many, many years now. i went through a period where lots of my friends were getting married and having children and so on, and it's not happened for me, so there's that sort of angle to it as well, but i think that psychological impact has perhaps not helped with relationships at times. i hope you don't mind me asking this, but have
you ever been suicidal? yes, yes. i am very lucky to be here, frankly, because we know that an awful lot of mothers aborted or they had children born dead who were taken away from them, and they never knew what had gone wrong, or their children lived a few years and then died, for example, from a heart condition. so i am jolly lucky to be here, frankly. the cumberlege review says primodos should have been stopped three years before daniel was born, in 1967. there's been much debate over the drug's links with birth defects, but the review says there is a possible association. the acknowledgement is a huge moment for daniel. the future is important, from the review‘s perspective, but so is the past. an awful lot of mothers are still out there who feel really guilty. it wasn't their fault
that they were prescribed this, but they still have a guilt complex that they inadvertently caused this to happen to their child. and they've had to live with that their whole lives. as someone who has epilepsy, if i don't take my medication regularly or if i don't have the right medication, it means that i would just have a fit at any given moment i could be anywhere and actually you can die when you are having a fit, so it's very important that you are on the right medication and you take it on a regular basis. i was 18 and i went to see my
specialist and he said, oh, there's this brilliant new drug and, for a period of time, it did work. if sodium valproate is taken during pregnancy, it could increase the risk of birth defects and developmental disorders like autism. were you ever warned of any risks of taking sodium valproate? no, no risks at all. some doctors often say, when we tell them patients weren't warned, they'll say, maybe patientjust doesn't remember or they weren't listening properly. yeah, i am absolutely, entirely sure i was never given any warnings. i love nursing. so your first child was a miscarriage and then your second one, was that william? that was william, yes. gorgeous boy. lisa miscarried again, before having a baby called alice. growing up, lisa could see her children had problems, but professionals repeatedly told her it was nothing to worry about.
i always kept banging on, but i listened to doctors who treated me as a hysterical parent and thought, "well, i must be going mad." now i know, i'm sorry that i didn't kick more doors down. many women have to take medicines during pregnancy, but could they be risking the health of their unborn child? and then, suddenly, one day, my mum phoned up and she said, "did you see panorama last night?" and i said, no. and she said, "you've got to watch it." and i'm like, why? she said, they've made a programme about william and alice. she could be mentally or physically disabled and she could have no quality of life. it wasjust like a light had been switched on and everything fell into place. everything wrong with my children was down to the drug that i was told was safe to take. lisa believes sodium valproate
affected her children in many ways. william has attention deficit disorder and depression, while alice has epilepsy and learning difficulties. both have autism and dyspraxia. lisa also believes the medication caused her two miscarriages. my kids have got lifelong problems. that's all down to me. they shouldn't be like that. they wouldn't be like that if i hadn't been taking tablets. they would be just happy, normal young people. but it sounds like you did everything you could to protect your children, but you were not told the risks. yeah, but that doesn't make the guilt go away. manufacturer sanofi says it's complied with its regulatory obligations, including the provision of product information. baroness cumberlege says all women and girls who take sodium valproate must be aware of the risks and choose if they want to take it. a pregnancy prevention programme is already in place
to educate patients, but it's claimed it doesn't always work. do you wish something like that had been given to you? oh, god, yes. yes. there's even a helpline number at the back, but you don't actually find out about what happens and the birth defects until page five, six, and seven. that's quite buried. the cumberlege review has also recommended that the victims of the three scandals should receive financial support. in the case of sodium valproate, to help with care. a lot of these kids have got lifelong problems. they are not going to get better. and then who's going to look after them when their parents are gone? so, if the government admit that failings have been made, they are also going to have to admit that they need to look after these kids.
we are spending an afternoon with a group of women who were all strangers before they experienced complications following mesh repairs. having lost trust in the medical community, they turned to each other for support. this was the last time they were allowed to meet before lockdown. hello. hi. i'm hannah from the bbc. —— anna from the bbc. people don't particularly like to talk about their bottoms or their vaginas or anything like that, but now we just have sort of like this unwritten rule that we can talk about anything and we'll help each other as much as we possibly can. was it hard initially to open up about that? i found it very embarrassing. now, some of the things we talk about, unreal! the pain experienced when a pelvic mesh repair goes wrong has been likened to splintered glass.
it is estimated one in ten women experience complications following the procedure, which is used to treat incontinence or prolapse. within months of starting her review, baroness cumberlege was so appalled by the stories she was hearing, she recommended that the procedure should be stopped until certain conditions were met. that pause is still in place. mesh has robbed me of the person i used to be. my life is completely different. pelvic mesh was used to treat jill hedley‘s incontinence. she also experienced complications after a bowel mesh removal. major surgery is required, and doctors have warned there is a risk she could die. i'm so scared to have the operation but, until i have it, i can't live my life the same way. the review has not recommended a complete mesh panel, a complete mesh ban, something many campaigners wanted. instead, it set out conditions
which must be met before the pause can be lifted. even then, it says mesh should be seen as a last resort. before that mesh is put in, the women should be told the truth of what can go wrong and, if it's still mesh that's put in for life, without being able to be taken out, it's in permanent, i think the patient should be really, really, really made aware of what that actually entails. if it hadn't been for the victoria derbyshire show, i wouldn't have found answers as to what was going wrong in my body. the baroness's review is focusing on vaginal mesh. how does that feel for somebody like yourself, who has had a hernia mesh? although i am overjoyed that it's highlighting vaginal mesh, i desperately want hernia mesh to be included. ursula has had two hernia mesh repairs and experienced life—threatening complications after the implants attached to her bowels. she says doctors say the only way her large hernia can be fixed
good evening. it has been warm again in the strong dry sunshine today but we have had more cloud across northern ireland and across western scotla nd northern ireland and across western scotland with some patchy rain which may well pump up for a time this evening across mainland scotland before it gradually sinks southwards throughout the night. we will have more quad and not as chilly as i site where temperatures got within freezing within parts of wales was of still chilly, perhaps mist if you're upper enough tomorrow morning. otherwise in the south and eastis morning. otherwise in the south and east is where we will see the lion's share of the morning sunshine but gradually as the weather front slips southwards, increasing amounts of cloud, not much rain but splashes around but as it clears away to the north the hope is we will see brighter skies for personal scotland and northern ireland into the afternoon and that is recited in the
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