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place between displeasing its ally, the us, and losing out on at the economic benefits, especially after the pandemic china is denying an accusation offered by good relations with china. by britain's foreign secretary that because it's notjust huawei. it's carrying out human rights china is germany's biggest trading partner. abuses against its and there has been, as you say, uighur population. it comes amid a rise in diplomatic tension between the two countries over the last year, mounting concern in europe over chinese over a new national human rights violations, in the uighurs and then hong kong. security law in hong kong. so i think there is a lot of debate president trump has defended his handling and discussions going on in europe of the coronavirus pandemic, incorrectly telling fox news right now, and it's under that the us has the lowest pressure from both sides. mortality rate in the world. celia, you pay close attention from the chinese the number of people who have died perspective on this. one thing that struck me with covid—19 has now passed 140,000 was on hong kong, a lot of european — almost a quarter countries did not criticise the chinese national security legislation in hong kong. now, how do you think they're of the global total. going to line up on huawei, the ones who sided i suppose the united arab emirates has with beijing, or did not launched its first space mission, want to criticise at that point? using japanese rockets to send a spacecraft on a 500 million kilometre journey towards mars. well, there's a real the robotic probe, called hope, spectrum, carrie. on one end of the spectrum, is due to study the red planet's we have the countries who have said weather and climate when it we have been dealing with huawei for decades, we don't see a problem. spain, sweden, hungary all fell in that category. 0n the other end of the spectrum we have countries that have signed arrives next february. a pledge with washington not to use huawei. romania, poland. now on bbc news, dateline london.
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hello, welcome to dateline london. then of course we have the countries that are waffling, making a change. i'm carrie gracie. so the czech republic, for example, was firmly in the huawei camp, and this week, coronavirus questions with multiple choice answers and then suddenly switched a few years ago. in the uk. really it comes down to germany, i think. and london may have said no we're waiting to see what angela merkel‘s government thanks to huawei's sg, is going to do in september. in the past, she seems to have sided but where does that leave with the fact of keeping huawei chinese tech in the rest to some degree in germany. of europe and beyond? but there's growing unease in germany about keeping huawei equipment, especially in the building of future 5g networks. so i think it is very difficult. her government came out this week to say the best engagement is through trade, so that is may be some indication that germany, a big player in the region, might go on the side my guests on socially distanced screens, political commentator of huawei with this. steve richards. let us go global for a minute. we're also hoping for the writer as the chinese foreign ministry and broadcaster maria margaronis. corresponded said, we are having a slight tech it is a big world. problem with her screen, notjust europe. how is huawei doing in other
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but we are hoping she will be parts of the world? with us in a moment. can it pivot into africa and here in the studio, and central asia? it is doing very well in other the bbc world service asia pacific editor celia hatton. countries, especially ethical. welcome to you all. huawei has gotten in very early with a lot of ag, 3g networks in africa, should we, a — go back to work if we can, or b — and so it is merely trying to make sure that even if europe or many continue to work from home if it's a perfectly good option? european countries decided to go away from huawei that it is a really this message gap between the british prime minister firmly rooted in africa. we can look at the belton road. and his chief scientific adviser as you mentioned, the great project came hot on the heels of another to build new trade routes around about wearing face the world, and if you look at the countries where the chinese coverings in shops. government have focused on building road projects, a lot of those countries are also going to go along so are theyjust differences in tone, or symptoms of a muddle with huawei equipment. at the top? steve, i think that's one give us your sense of the global for you to start off with. options, countries on the one hand i think it's partly a muddle, who are turning into a "them and us," for some countries, partly trying to do something and difficult choices. which is close to impossible. how do you see it shaping up? it is difficult, but we have to find a way to work with china, especially on the crucial to take both points, the muddle, as you suggest in the introduction, is in the presentation. issue of climate change. should we all now be heading back to work? it's not entirely clear. unless china is on board and has even borisjohnson good relations with the rest of the world, we cannot isn't entirely clear. move forward on that, he says it's up to employers and so i think we are in a very
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to decide, and if they think it's delicate and diplomatic situation a good idea, go ahead and get on what to do with a new superpower which is operating in quite a different way from the old superpower rivalry is. people back to work. this politics of generosity that we saw during the pandemic with china sending equipment and masks and so on to europe that's not quite the same to improve its reputation. as saying go back to work. it's putting the focus on the employers. the masking messaging was also muddled. michael gove, a senior cabinet minister, last sunday saying it shouldn't be compulsory in shops. it became compulsory and i think we are still in the west in shops, and so on. it reflects something which has sort of struggling with how to make been a running theme, really, of confused messages sense of china and how to deal from number ten and beyond. but the dilemma is this. with it, but it is crucial that we find a way to balance out these issues. stephen, need to hear from you on this. we heard beijing call the uk america's dupe. how — and it's across the world. how do you get the economy moving did london have any choice again, whilst not taking at the end of the day? huge health risks? two factors meant london and different governments have answered this in different ways, and specifically borisjohnson but this one appears to be saying did not have any choice, the responsibility will lie and it is really interesting. with the employers to make those decisions, and to some extent individuals too. he won at this triumphant election in december, got a very big majority, but he did not have a parliamentary majority for this deal.
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and at the same time, saying two very different things. and he was going to get borisjohnson seemed to be saying in a press conference on friday, into deep trouble. let's hope by christmas all this is over, and yet saying all is contingent on the virus labour were going to vote with tory rebels to stop this arrangement being controlled, with the clear from devolving or developing implication that it might not be. so they are navigating that in the way that borisjohnson, impossible balancing act as you mentioned, wanted injanuary. between the health of the nation physically and economic health. so that was one factor. but also, at each stage of this, they've found it very hard, the other one was this, harder incidentally than nicola sturgeon, for all the talk post brexit the first minister in scotland, about an independent global britain, to convey a clear and coherent message. i think boris johnson was surprised by... he knew the us would not maria, thankfully we can see be thrilled when he, and it was very much him, agreed to the huawei deal earlier this year, but the degree and i hope hear you now, to which the us were telling the uk to pull out of this made that as well a factor in the u—turn. so tell us — and you keep so you have the uk parliament limiting a near landslide majority, a close eye on europe. what the perimeter could do, which countries in europe are navigating this very difficult and then you have the us as well. balancing act well, both the policies and the communication in the few minutes we have left, of the policies? tell me what other stories have
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caught your eye this you know, the difficulty is balancing the health issues week — one each. with the economic need. obviously there is much more happening in the world. maria, give us one story that has there are ways they have been managed well. two examples are germany and greece. caught your eye over this week. ..0ther countries, i wanted to mark the death of congressmen john lewis in the united states yesterday, at this moment when racism has been, and for very different reasons. when civil rights have been in the forefront of everybody's lives. audio interruption. greece went into lockdown immediately. maria, i'm really sorry. i was just kind of sitting congressman lewis was one of the 30 here and praying that it was going freedom riders in the south. to improve, but you're he organised the march cutting in and out. so we're just going to hope that can be fixed, and i am going to go in washington on 1963. to celia for a minute and come he led the selma march back to you in a second. celia, china hasjust announced across the bridge on bloody sunday in the past week it had economic growth in the second quarter. in 1965 and was beaten by police, does that mean it has effectively and he has been really one solved some of these balancing act problems? of the great heroes of our time in america. well, from the face of it, yes, i think in this country, i think that it has. he is not as well— known, but that was the thing that you've mentioned that messaging gap
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that seems to be present in the uk really me most yesterday, and some other countries. in china, when it comes apart from the fact that also to dealing with the virus, in america, the supreme court there is no message gap. justice ruth peter ginsberg is once it's instituted quite again undergoing chemotherapy a sophisticated system for putting for liver cancer and all eyes in tracking and tracing measures, for testing millions of people seemingly on a dime. are on the supreme court and the american election you know, a good example coming up in november, is in xinjiang this week. on tuesday, the authorities and ifjustice ginsburg does not make it and if trump is re—elected, in the capital of xinjiang found we will have a dramatic change a single case, one woman in the supreme court in america. who tested positive. and by friday, the entire city very serious implications was under lockdown — for civil rights. 3.5 million people. although i think should also say they cancelled 600 that rbg, as so many of her fans flights in and out. call her, says she is so the government has fit to work as normal. done a very good job. fully functioning still, and i think the poor woman you could arguably say they've had is holding on for dear life more time to practice at this system and for her country. than anyone else, in really making sure that regional lockdown steve, what about you? is are under control. what has caught your attention? it is not a light—hearted observation, butjob losses yes, they did post a little bit of economic growth. in the united kingdom have now but economists are still quite worried, because that growth seems become a running theme in recent
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to be hinging on factory production, days, and it is obviously virus—related, but this is going to become a huge issue. not on real retail consumption. and of course there are those who say that china is in the united kingdom, as surveillance state and doesn't believe in there might have been insecure privacy concerns anyway. employment, but on the whole unemployment has but there are, i guess, been relatively low recently. other countries in the asia pacific butjust over the last few days, region, the region you keep your more announcements ofjob losses close eye on, that are also perhaps in retail, in the media, finding ways through this. it has been very badly hit, yeah, there are some success stories. newspapers, broadcasters vietnam, taiwan, have both done very, very well in keeping cases low. announcing big job losses. we've also seen some countries and there is talk of millions who at the start seemed to be doing really, really well. being unemployed by the end of the year, and as i say, south korea, singapore were kind the uk is not used to this. of patting themselves on the back. they were really seen it has had other issues but not this for instituting quite sophisticated one, since the 80s or early 90s, methods of technology to keep and i think it is going to be a big virus numbers are low. theme, because what jobs the real concern right now, i think, are going to be available to them? in the region is indonesia. it's the world's how do you retrain? the cost of paying benefits, fourth—most—populous country. the loss of tax revenue when other they reallyjust haven't managed to get a grip on the virus, economic issues are still huge. and theyjust received a warning i think this team is going to really intensify, i'm afraid, this week if they do not put
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in quite strict control measures, in the months to come. i know that will be they're going to see numbers the case elsewhere as well, climb through october. but it is starting already i suppose with indonesia, in the united kingdom. there's also the question of the testing. i suppose one of the questions i mean, there's a degree on that is what kind ofjobs, of uncertainty about what their caseload actually is. because we are living that's right. when we go back to the message gap in a new normal that we do not know the full shape of yet. exactly, and i was speaking again, the government right to somebody who is a big expert on landing, and he was saying from the start couldn't get a handle on what to tell people that london will not be what to do. the same after this. they couldn't get a really effective testing mechanism into place, and they've been playing there might be other things that catch up the whole time. it's been a big problem. happen in these cities, maria, we're going to give it another shot. but not what happened before. can you give us again, maybe start from the beginning, on the european governments that the same vibrancy in terms of shops and cafe is and restaurants are managing to navigate this? and theatres and so on. ok, so i'm sorry, i've missed the conversation so far, but basically there have been two ways that european governments have he doesn't know what it will be, managed this well. but it will not be the same, so we arejust... one way has been by shutting down very quickly, like greece, whatever happens in terms austria, the czech republic. of the virus, vaccines and all the rest of it, and another has been by having we are at the beginning, a very efficient test and trace really, are facing these kinds of consequences, mechanism in place, like germany, the job losses and perhaps the need by having a very well functioning health system, like germany. to change vocations entirely. many, many people.
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celia? i want to highlight a report from save the children that had a very brief moment in the headlines but the thing about europe that has that say1 billion children are out been quite dispiriting has been the lack of coordination of school from the coronavirus and cooperation between pandemic but up to 10 million european countries. of them may never return to school i mean, when the pandemic began in china, europe didn't have its eye after the pandemic is over. on the ball at all, and at the end of february, this is going to hit young girls when italy was desperately calling are much worse than it might for help from other european countries, all eyes hit their brothers, were on the greek—turkish borders because they are the ones that and the asylum seekers coming in. will probably be told to stay the three presidents at home if parents have to make of the european council, parliament and commission were there. a choice as to who returns and then we had a situation to school, so the report says where european countries were actually competing we will see a rise in child for ppe equipment. marriage, teen pregnancy, so that was a real wake—up call, and children being kept at home i think, for europe, and for what needs to happen. are much more vulnerable than those then the other question is how is europe managing economically? able to go and have the safety and as i think i heard steve saying before, and security that schools offer. this very difficult balancing act it is a real and continuing problem. between health and the economy means does save the children have any that a country like greece answers to that or is itjust or portugal, which shut down early, flagging up a problem is now facing very serious economic consequences. and we now have, yesterday we still do not have an answer to? they want education funding to be protected. and today, european leaders meeting they say that there might be,
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if no protection is given around to try and sort out a rescue the world, there might be a huge gap package, and we had exactly the same of $177 million in education funding disagreements going on as we did that might be taken away from schools and put during the european financial towards pandemic measures. crisis, where northern thank you. thank you to all three of you, maria, steve and celia. countries, in particular yet another fascinating discussion, but i'm afraid before we go, the netherlands, mark rutte of the netherlands, i have to bring you some sad news. the prime minister there saying we cannot issue corona bonds which are a new version of euro bonds, to mediterranean countries the journalist mustapha without some quid pro quo. karkouti has died. huge challenges cropping up he was 77. in the european summit this weekend. steve, one last one on the uk before mustapha was a friend to all of us we leave this topic. here at dateline and to journalists another thing that happened last week was boris johnson accepting from around the world. that there would have to be an independent inquiry when the pandemic is over. he was born in syria and spent much these often cost a lot, of his professional career they take years. is there anything we don't know interpreting and explaining about the problems and shortcomings of the government response? the complexities of arab society. we will miss him. i think that's a very good question, that's it for dateline because i think in essence london for this week. we do know. we will find out more, we're back next week and you're right, it will take a huge amount of time. at the same time. so this isn't imminent.
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thank you for watching. goodbye, stay safe. we will find out more about behind—the—scenes tensions, the differences between politicians and scientists, and within those groups as well. and i think we will find out a bit more about the most fundamental issue, i think, which is who controls what in the uk, from the very top, where most of the cabinet has been hello. excluded from decision—making. temperatures by day this week it's been michael gove, will be close to average — dominic cummings, and borisjohnson, when he pays attention. high teens, low 20s — but we are starting the week with overnight temperatures below average. quite chilly first thing monday morning, and the temperatures will head up because there will be a fair amount of sunshine out there. this high—pressure settles things down, then, and then, what does to start the week. public health england do? what does nhs england do? although toppling around there's been a lot of talk the area of high—pressure about levers being pulled and then will be a few showers, more especially in scotland not a lot happening. and in the context now, and a few from the word go, is it local authorities that have the power to have local but these are the starting lockdowns, or is it the government? temperatures, then, for monday morning, there have been big questions about the functioning of the state, widely in single figures. certainly in england, which i think will be a big issue these are town, city centres. in the public inquiry, but we know
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cooler than this in the countryside. so mid to low single figures in the chillier spots. but again, those temperatures are going to be heading up the broad outlines already. in the sunshine. a lot of that to come first thing. some cloud is going to build. for scotland, it's a mixture of cloud and sunshine. most of the showers will be north of the central belt. northern ireland and northern england mayjust pick up these themes have been a shower later but the bulk permanent since march, when all this erupted. of england and for wales, so, although it will be huge will stay dry. lion share of the and late in the sense, sunshine through wales that as you say, it will probably be and southern england so this is where we will see years away, these themes will be the highest temperatures, explored in more detail. and some spots just but we know the themes. creeping into the low 20s. now, as for the cricket, at old trafford, it is looking let us leave the pandemic there for now and turn to an issue like not particularly warm monday to come, for the final day. on which the uk has that'll be a mixture acted fast — huawei. of cloud, sunshine. in, fact the uk has just a slight chance of picking acted faster than some up a brief passing shower. of its european neighbours twice. first to approve the chinese now, as we go into monday evening, any of those showers telecoms giant as a supplier for 5g that have formed, networks, that was injanuary. will tend to die away. and then last week to they still will continue on and off through overturn that — ban it. northern parts of beijing reacted to this u—turn scotland overnight, but for most of us it is with predictable fury, saying the uk was america's dupe. going to be another dry, clear and chilly night going into tuesday morning. but again on tuesday, there will be a lot of sunshine to start the day. now, there's a chance of catching a shower again, but it also said the world is big more especially across parts of scotland,
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and the uk relatively small. but the odd one may be found elsewhere in northern ireland so can the world's largest provider of telecoms equipment overcome and northern england. the us attempt to throttle it and the cloud may well thicken by pivoting elsewhere? in northern ireland to bring maria, i want to start the chance of seeing some patchy rain, off in europe on this. especially the further the eu called china north and west you are, a systemic rival last year. deeper on through the day. now, is this huawei issue and temperatures, a few spots the emblematic issue on that, or does europe feel getting into the low 20s in some sunny spells, but most won't get that high. now, there is a weather system coming on tuesday night and into wednesday. these weather fronts move in. strongarmed by washington? they will bring a spell of rain into parts of northern ireland and scotland. well, i think until this point, europe's been able to hide behind and perhaps on wednesday, the uk, and the uk's also reaching for time assurances that the threat, for some of us into the security threat, northern england. from having huawei systems in place now for thursday and friday, could be controlled. the chance of a shower, but now that the uk has and then into next weekend, as you said reversed course, 00:13:37,806 --> 2147483051:43:33,617 i think europe feels much more 2147483051:43:33,617 --> 4294966103:13:29,430 trapped between a rock and a hard looks like low pressure will come back. temperatures will come down a few degrees. the breeze picks up. and we will see a spell of rain spreading east. bye— bye.
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here in the uk or around the globe. i'm lewis vaughan jones. our top stories: china denies an accusation by britain's foreign minister, that it's carrying out human rights abuses against its uighur population. can i ask you why people are kneeling, blindfolded and shaven and being led to trains in modern china? why— what is going on there? i do not know where you get this video tape. president trump has defended his handling of the coroanvirus pandemic, incorrectly telling fox news that the us has the lowest mortality rate in the world. i heard we have one of the lowest, maybe the lowest mortality rate anywhere in the world. do you have the numbers, please? because i heard we had the best mortality rate.
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