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this is bbc news — the case for impeachment — democrats says donald trump is "personally responsible" for the capitol hill riot. the former president's team fires back, saying the case against him is unconstitutional. can former president trump be held to account for riling up his supporters ahead of the mayhem onjanuary 6th. his trial starts in less than a week. scientists say the coronavirus has mutated again in the uk — increasing the pressure to vaccinate more people, quickly also in the programme.... russian police detain more than 500 people today — the same day a courtjails opposition leader alexei navalny for three—and—a—half years. navalny told thejudge president putin will be remembered as putin the poisoner. and, the friends you
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never knew you had. those peripheral relationships we are missing in the time of lockdown. hello, i'm laura trevelyan in new york city, christian fraser is in london. it's almost four weeks since supporters of president trump stormed capitol hill, claiming the election was stolen — and today, house democrats laid out their case for convicting mr trump of inciting that insurrection — accusing him of being singularly responsible for the events of january the sixth. the impeachment trial will be in the senate next week. in the memo they submitted, the nine impeachment managers say the president incited the attack but had laid the groundwork for what they describe as the big lie, well before the election in november. they say the speech he delivered onjanuary 6th — whipped his supporters
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into a violent frenzy. and quoting directly from the constitution and its framers — they say the senate has the jurisdiction to impeach a former official. in the last few hours — mr trump's lawyers have responded — claiming it's unconstitutional to impeach and convict a former president. their defence is simple — the senate they say has no jursidiction given mr trump is no longer president, and can't barr him from holding future office. they argue that mr trump's speech to supporters just before the riot — was protected by the first amendment, guaranteeing free speech. interestingly — the response makes no attempt to justify the president's unfound assertion of voter fraud other than to say he stands by it. here was republican senator lindsay graham when asked about it earlier today. do you get any suggestion that his team during the trial is going to raise this election process? i have been told they are not. that would be up to them. i think that would be a winning argument.
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——| don't think that _ would be a winning argument. "i don't think that would be a winning argument" — senator graham saying there. let's bring in brendan buck — republican strategist and former aide to house speaker paul ryan. republican strategist and former he joins us from washington. republican strategist and former thanks republican strategist and former so much for being programme. thanks so much for being on the programme. so, we now have the former president of the united states accused of house impeachment managers of whipping up the crowd into a frenzyjust managers of whipping up the crowd into a frenzy just so managers of whipping up the crowd into a frenzyjust so he could stay into a frenzyjust so he could stay in office. what is your reaction to that charge?— in office. what is your reaction to that charge? well, i think it's very clear that that's _ that charge? well, i think it's very clear that that's exactly _ that charge? well, i think it's very clear that that's exactly what - that charge? well, i think it's very clear that that's exactly what you | clear that that's exactly what you did. unfortunately, the politics have _ did. unfortunately, the politics have overtaken the situation here that we _ have overtaken the situation here that we are no longer arguing the facts. _ that we are no longer arguing the facts. the — that we are no longer arguing the facts, the substance, that's often what _ facts, the substance, that's often what happens when you don't like the factor— what happens when you don't like the factor of— what happens when you don't like the factor of the substance, you argue the process, and that is what you are seeing — the process, and that is what you are seeing so many republicans doing _ are seeing so many republicans doing i— are seeing so many republicans doing. i think a lot of them have realized — doing. i think a lot of them have realized that the politics don't work — realized that the politics don't work for— realized that the politics don't work for them to be against the former— work for them to be against the former president. so they are now
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looking _ former president. so they are now looking for— former president. so they are now looking for an off ramp, a way to not have — looking for an off ramp, a way to not have this conversation. so they are now— not have this conversation. so they are now arguing the process that this is_ are now arguing the process that this is somehow an unconstitutional process _ this is somehow an unconstitutional rocess. ., �* , ., ., this is somehow an unconstitutional rocess. ., �*, ., ., ., ,, process. yet, what's going to happen next week is — process. yet, what's going to happen next week is that _ process. yet, what's going to happen next week is that the _ process. yet, what's going to happen next week is that the president's - next week is that the president's defense team is going to argue it was all right for mr trump to say that the election was suspect. he was just exercising his that the election was suspect. he wasjust exercising his right that the election was suspect. he was just exercising his right to freedom of speech. is it good for republicans to be reviving this argument on a national stage that somehow the election was stolen? yeah, i think as we heard lindsey graham _ yeah, i think as we heard lindsey graham say, _ yeah, i think as we heard lindsey graham say, that any suggestion that the election was stolen is not going to go— the election was stolen is not going to go over— the election was stolen is not going to go over well. but there are first amendment protections for speech, but they— amendment protections for speech, but they are not limitless and you cannot _ but they are not limitless and you cannot use — but they are not limitless and you cannot use your speech to incite violence. — cannot use your speech to incite violence, and that is clearly what took _ violence, and that is clearly what took place — violence, and that is clearly what took place here. i have not heard any republican really defend the president on the merits, to say that from _ president on the merits, to say that from you _ president on the merits, to say that from you know, he was not trying to send _ from you know, he was not trying to send people — from you know, he was not trying to send people over here, that they were _ send people over here, that they were you — send people over here, that they were you know, not trying to commit violence. _ were you know, not trying to commit violence. he — were you know, not trying to commit violence, he is clearly guilty of sending — violence, he is clearly guilty of sending people to the capital. i
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think— sending people to the capital. i think what you are seeing right now it'sjust _ think what you are seeing right now it'sjust a _ think what you are seeing right now it'sjust a lot think what you are seeing right now it's just a lot of republicans trving — it's just a lot of republicans trying to— it's just a lot of republicans trying to wiggle out of these very inconvenient facts. i think that's why lindsay graham would like them to stick— why lindsay graham would like them to stick to _ why lindsay graham would like them to stick to these process arguments. ithink— to stick to these process arguments. i think you're going to get a lot of people _ i think you're going to get a lot of people who would be quite perturbed if he ends _ people who would be quite perturbed if he ends up coming down or his lawyers — if he ends up coming down or his lawyers come down and try to recreate — lawyers come down and try to recreate this nonsense about the election— recreate this nonsense about the election being stolen. people's tolerance for that is really low. really, — tolerance for that is really low. really, i— tolerance for that is really low. really, i think what republicans want _ really, i think what republicans want is — really, i think what republicans want is for this to be over. they wanted — want is for this to be over. they wanted to— want is for this to be over. they wanted to go away, they don't want to have _ wanted to go away, they don't want to have to— wanted to go away, they don't want to have to answer questions about him _ to have to answer questions about him so— to have to answer questions about him. so they are looking to process this as _ him. so they are looking to process this as quickly as they possibly can _ this as quickly as they possibly can~ lt— this as quickly as they possibly can. ., , ., �* can. it would suit them, wouldn't it if they didn't _ can. it would suit them, wouldn't it if they didn't have _ can. it would suit them, wouldn't it if they didn't have to _ can. it would suit them, wouldn't it if they didn't have to make - can. it would suit them, wouldn't it if they didn't have to make a - can. it would suit them, wouldn't it if they didn't have to make a pointl if they didn't have to make a point at all. the shift on process on actually the substance of allegation the democrats are making, and in the brief, his lawyers say that it was an impassioned speech onjanuary the 6th, but it was a speech made under his first amendment rights, freedom of speech. the trouble is, this is what mitch mcconnell says on the 19th of january. the mob was fed lies.
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they were provoked by the president and other powerful people. now, i'm not a lawyer, but i do know that ou now, i'm not a lawyer, but i do know that you can't — now, i'm not a lawyer, but i do know that you can't use _ now, i'm not a lawyer, but i do know that you can't use your _ now, i'm not a lawyer, but i do know that you can't use your first - that you can't use your first amendment right to shout fire in a theater and cause panic, and essentially, that is what the president did here with the big lie as the democrats call it, and there is the senate leader, the minority leader now on the record as saying, he was lying. so how are republicans going to square that circle? i so how are republicans going to square that circle?— square that circle? i don't think the are square that circle? i don't think they are going _ square that circle? i don't think they are going to _ square that circle? i don't think they are going to try _ square that circle? i don't think they are going to try to. - square that circle? i don't think they are going to try to. you i square that circle? i don't think i they are going to try to. you don't have _ they are going to try to. you don't have to _ they are going to try to. you don't have to look— they are going to try to. you don't have to look any further than the rioters _ have to look any further than the rioters in — have to look any further than the rioters in the capital who have said themselves they were there because donald _ themselves they were there because donald trump sent them there. the evidences _ donald trump sent them there. the evidences almost limitless, that there _ evidences almost limitless, that there are — evidences almost limitless, that there are so many things that you could _ there are so many things that you could point— there are so many things that you could point to, and mitch mcconnell for a long _ could point to, and mitch mcconnell for a long time seem to suggest he was interested in finding a way to convict _ was interested in finding a way to convict the — was interested in finding a way to convict the president. i think he would _ convict the president. i think he would love _ convict the president. i think he would love to be able to convict them _ would love to be able to convict them so — would love to be able to convict them so that donald trump cannot run for president again. i think he fears— for president again. i think he fears donald trump running again and what would _ fears donald trump running again and
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what would happen to the party. but ithink— what would happen to the party. but i think he _ what would happen to the party. but i think he also realized that there 'ust i think he also realized that there just are _ i think he also realized that there just are not the votes for this. you would _ just are not the votes for this. you would have — just are not the votes for this. you would have to drum 17—18 republicans and maybe _ would have to drum 17—18 republicans and maybe there were five. so i think— and maybe there were five. so i think he's— and maybe there were five. so i think he's retreating from that and he is _ think he's retreating from that and he is seeing what's happened to the house _ he is seeing what's happened to the house republicans who voted for it, and they— house republicans who voted for it, and they have seen the retribution from _ and they have seen the retribution from voters is swift and strong, and none _ from voters is swift and strong, and none of _ from voters is swift and strong, and none of those senators really seem to he _ none of those senators really seem to be up _ none of those senators really seem to be up for— none of those senators really seem to be up for it. i think mitch mcconnell would love to convict him, but he _ mcconnell would love to convict him, but he doesn't have the votes to do it. but he doesn't have the votes to do it he— but he doesn't have the votes to do it. , ., ., ., it. he is weighing in into another bi row it. he is weighing in into another big row within — it. he is weighing in into another big row within the _ it. he is weighing in into another big row within the republican - it. he is weighing in into another . big row within the republican party, and this is the issue of marjorie taylor green who has been spouting all sorts of conspiracy theories and really causing the house minority leader, kevin mccarthy, a lot of problems. he put out an extraordinary statement overnight, here it is, he says...
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he went on to express concerns that they are focusing so much attention on her and not really on the concerns of american families, and that really is an issue for republicans at the moment. why do you think he is weighing into this? he doesn't tend to 12 into house matters. . . he doesn't tend to 12 into house matters. , , , he doesn't tend to 12 into house matters. , ,, matters. yes, this is typically the -e of matters. yes, this is typically the type of thing _ matters. yes, this is typically the type of thing that _ matters. yes, this is typically the type of thing that house - matters. yes, this is typically the . type of thing that house republicans worry about and senate leaders would stay out _ worry about and senate leaders would stay out of. _ worry about and senate leaders would stay out of, but obviously, mitch mcconnell he's one of the lonely voices— mcconnell he's one of the lonely voices right now who is very concerned about the direction of the party. _ concerned about the direction of the party. the _ concerned about the direction of the party, the party, the image, the brand _ party, the party, the image, the brand. look, there were 40 or so freshmen — brand. look, there were 40 or so freshmen republicans in the house i’ilht freshmen republicans in the house right now— freshmen republicans in the house right now and marjorie taylor green who has— right now and marjorie taylor green who has these wild crazy views is the face — who has these wild crazy views is the face of — who has these wild crazy views is the face of the party. you cannot have _ the face of the party. you cannot have a _ the face of the party. you cannot have a party that is going to grow and become a majority again if the face of—
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and become a majority again if the face of it— and become a majority again if the face of it is— and become a majority again if the face of it is a conspiracy theorist. it's face of it is a conspiracy theorist. it's bad _ face of it is a conspiracy theorist. it's bad politics, it's bad morals. he seems— it's bad politics, it's bad morals. he seems to be one of the few people willing _ he seems to be one of the few people willing to _ he seems to be one of the few people willing to recognize this, talk about— willing to recognize this, talk about it. _ willing to recognize this, talk about it, try to take some action and try— about it, try to take some action and try to — about it, try to take some action and try to push back on where we are going _ and try to push back on where we are going it _ and try to push back on where we are going. it think there's a lot of republicans in congress that understand that she is a dangerous figure _ understand that she is a dangerous figure and — understand that she is a dangerous figure and someone who represents a really— figure and someone who represents a really had _ figure and someone who represents a really bad place for the party. they are just _ really bad place for the party. they are just not — really bad place for the party. they are just not willing to say anything about— are just not willing to say anything about it _ are just not willing to say anything about it because they are taking the path of— about it because they are taking the path of least resistance, they don't want to— path of least resistance, they don't want to stir— path of least resistance, they don't want to stir things up and don't want _ want to stir things up and don't want to— want to stir things up and don't want to feed into whatever victim politics _ want to feed into whatever victim politics that she plays. so, i really— politics that she plays. so, i really -- _ politics that she plays. so, i really —— i'm really glad he's speaking _ really —— i'm really glad he's speaking up, ijust wish more people would _ speaking up, ijust wish more people would do _ speaking up, ijust wish more people would do it. — speaking up, ijust wish more people would do it, because clearly, we are going _ would do it, because clearly, we are going down— would do it, because clearly, we are going down a road that is going to keep— going down a road that is going to keep republicans in the minority for a very— keep republicans in the minority for a very long — keep republicans in the minority for a very long time. keep republicans in the minority for a very long time-— keep republicans in the minority for a very long time. brandon, thanks so much forjoining _ a very long time. brandon, thanks so much forjoining us _ a very long time. brandon, thanks so much forjoining us with _ a very long time. brandon, thanks so much forjoining us with that - a very long time. brandon, thanks so much forjoining us with that very - much forjoining us with that very well informed analysis there. brandon, of course, an expert on all matters capitol hill. the uk government is desperate to stop the south african variant of coronavirus.
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surge testing is under way in a number of places around england. but it's the uk variant of the virus that has taken hold — and now appears to be undergoing new genetic changes. it's mutated again. current vaccines were designed around earlier versions of coronavirus, but scientists believe they will still work against these new ones, although perhaps not quite as well against the south african variant. which is why public health england is conducting this door—to—door testing blitz of some 80,000 people to try and stamp it out. we're joined now by dr helen vimalaratna, an infectious disease epidemiologist at the university of buckingham medical school. thank you very much for being with us. so, these tests have been taken to people's doors. they are quickly turned around. what happens if and when they identify the south african strain? ,, ., , when they identify the south african strain? , , , ., , strain? so, these tests are being used first to _ strain? so, these tests are being used first to test _ strain? so, these tests are being used first to test whether - strain? so, these tests are being used first to test whether or - strain? so, these tests are being used first to test whether or not | used first to test whether or not people — used first to test whether or not people have coronavirus at all, and then all— people have coronavirus at all, and then all of— people have coronavirus at all, and then all of those that are positive
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are being — then all of those that are positive are being fully sequenced so that we can understand if they have the south _ can understand if they have the south african variant or, indeed, other— south african variant or, indeed, other variants of concern that we have _ other variants of concern that we have not— other variants of concern that we have not yet identified, but at the moment. — have not yet identified, but at the moment, the focus is very much on the south _ moment, the focus is very much on the south african variant. so it's really _ the south african variant. so it's really important that this variant does _ really important that this variant does not — really important that this variant does not become entrenched, doesn't become _ does not become entrenched, doesn't become fixed in the population. we know— become fixed in the population. we know it's _ become fixed in the population. we know it's highly transmissible, and as you _ know it's highly transmissible, and as you have — know it's highly transmissible, and as you have just mentioned, there are? _ as you have just mentioned, there are? soher— as you have just mentioned, there are? sober how effective the current vaccines _ are? sober how effective the current vaccines would be against it. so, we need _ vaccines would be against it. so, we need to— vaccines would be against it. so, we need to fully contain any cases of this variant — need to fully contain any cases of this variant that are identified. but there _ this variant that are identified. but there are two things that jump but there are two things thatjump out at me looking at that map. 0ne out at me looking at that map. one is that you have surged testing in woking down in the south, and search testing up in liverpool, which is a fairly big geographic spread, and we know that the cases that they've identified in woking are among people who have not traveled, which tends to suggest in both cases, the fact that it's across the country and among people who have not
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traveled that it's already here. it's already in the community. i mean, are we testing when the horse has already bolted? you mean, are we testing when the horse has already bolted?— has already bolted? you are exactly riuht. it's has already bolted? you are exactly right- it's been _ has already bolted? you are exactly right. it's been identified _ has already bolted? you are exactly right. it's been identified in - right. it's been identified in several— right. it's been identified in several geographically disparate locations in the uk. and it's by chance — locations in the uk. and it's by chance that it was identified currently, the uk is leading in terms — currently, the uk is leading in terms of— currently, the uk is leading in terms of molecular surveillance of the coronavirus, but we are still only— the coronavirus, but we are still only looking at 5—10% of all positive _ only looking at 5—10% of all positive —— positively identified cases. — positive —— positively identified cases. so— positive —— positively identified cases, so for sure, it spread much further— cases, so for sure, it spread much further than — cases, so for sure, it spread much further than this, the fact that these — further than this, the fact that these cases have been identified suggests that it's out there, but by no means— suggests that it's out there, but by no means has it arisen spontaneously in southport — no means has it arisen spontaneously in southport and in woking without any collateral community spread. helen. _ any collateral community spread. helen. as — any collateral community spread. helen, as you just said there, the uk is really leading the world in terms of surveillance of the different kinds of variants of the virus. does that suggest that probably here in the us and pretty much everywhere else in the world,
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the virus is also mutating as it is in the uk, but we arejust not picking it up. for sure. this highlights the importance of molecular surveillance, especially when we are looking _ surveillance, especially when we are looking at _ surveillance, especially when we are looking at a — surveillance, especially when we are looking at a virus which we have no prior— looking at a virus which we have no prior knowledge of. this is all new to us— prior knowledge of. this is all new to us and — prior knowledge of. this is all new to us and we have to understand the evolution— to us and we have to understand the evolution of— to us and we have to understand the evolution of it. we have to get to a point _ evolution of it. we have to get to a point where — evolution of it. we have to get to a point where we can predict the changes— point where we can predict the changes that we are going to see in order— changes that we are going to see in order to _ changes that we are going to see in order to tailor the vaccine strategy appropriately. order to tailor the vaccine strategy appr0priately-_ order to tailor the vaccine strategy auroriatel. . . appropriately. helen, thanks so much for “oininu appropriately. helen, thanks so much forjoining us — appropriately. helen, thanks so much forjoining us. stay _ appropriately. helen, thanks so much forjoining us. stay with _ appropriately. helen, thanks so much forjoining us. stay with us— appropriately. helen, thanks so much forjoining us. stay with us here - appropriately. helen, thanks so much forjoining us. stay with us here on i forjoining us. stay with us here on bbc news. captain sir tom moore — who raised 33 million pounds for the nhs by walking laps of his garden — has died with coronavirus. the prime minister paid tribute. captain sir tom moore was a hero in the truest sense of the word. in the dark days of the second world war,
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he fought for freedom and in the face of this country's deepest post—war crisis, he united us all. he cheered us all up and he embodied the triumph of the human spirit. it's quite astonishing that at the age of 100, he raised more than £32 million for the nhs on his own and so gave countless others their own chance to think the extraordinary men and women who have protected us throughout this pandemic. he became notjust a national inspiration, but a beacon of hope for the world. our thoughts today are with his daughter, hannah, and all his family, and his legacy will long live after him. the verdict was never in doubt. the russian opposition leader alexei navalny was jailed today for three and half years
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for violating his probation. he's been accused of violating the terms of his parole. he was of course, in germany, where he was recovering from being poisoned by what was found to be a russian nerve agent. which he says was planted by the russian fsb. the police force is out in force tonight in moscow. these are the latest pictures — as you can see the police are well prepared for any protests by supporters of mr nevalny. hundreds of protesters who were supporting mr navalny in moscow today have been arrested. in court earlier, he pointed the finger at the man he says is responsible. president putin, who will go down in history he said as "the poisoner." steve rosenberg was in court. for years, the russian authorities claimed that alexei navalny was no threat to them. he was just a nobody. but outside the court,
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they were taking no chances. inside, handcuffed, mr navalny was brought into the courtroom. then the kremlin's most ferocious critic was locked in a glass cage. he's been accused of a parole violation. now a judge will decide whether a suspended sentence he'd been given for fraud six years ago should be turned into prison time. the case is widely seen as politically motivated. mr navalny dismissed it as complete lies, and he's convinced the kremlin is behind it. in court, alexei navalny delivered a stinging attack on vladimir putin. he said he was "in the dock because of the hatred and fear of one man, the president." he claims he'd offended the kremlin leader by surviving the nerve agent attack on him last year. president putin would go down in history, he said, as the poisoner. later, the court ruled against him.
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alexei navalny was sent to prison for two and a half years. translation: we will submit an appeal too and inform - the committee of ministers of the council of europe, which deals with the execution of decisions of the european court, which monitors the execution of european court decisions. it is the latest twist in the most dramatic of stories, a long—standing opponent of the president. last august, alexei navalny survived a novichok attack allegedly by russian security agents and was airlifted to germany. 0n returning to russia this month, he was immediately arrested. that sparked protests across the country in his support and against vladimir putin. today, police detained hundreds of people near the courthouse to prevent any protest.
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the kremlin paints many of those who have been taking to the streets as hooligans and provocateurs. as for mr navalny, until today, the authorities had avoided sending him to prison so he wouldn't become a political murder. the calculation has changed. to the kremlin, mr navalny is now seen as a bigger threat at liberty then behind bars. steve rosenberg, bbc news, moscow. let's speak to professor angela stent of georgetown university — she runs the center for eurasian, russian and east european studies and formerly worked at the us state department. adapt you with us professor. let's pick up on that last point that was made in that report there. the feeling prior to this was if you put navalny in prison, you would make him a political martyr. does this get rid of the problem for president boudin for and half years or is he as much a danger to him inside
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prison as he is right now? == as much a danger to him inside prison as he is right now? -- putin. we met we — prison as he is right now? -- putin. we met we will— prison as he is right now? -- putin. we met we will have _ prison as he is right now? -- putin. we met we will have to _ prison as he is right now? -- putin. we met we will have to see - prison as he is right now? -- putin. we met we will have to see how- prison as he is right now? -- putin. i we met we will have to see how much of a danger— we met we will have to see how much of a danger he is in prison. as long as we _ of a danger he is in prison. as long as we keep — of a danger he is in prison. as long as we keep instruct people on the smart— as we keep instruct people on the smart voting, they have this big election— smart voting, they have this big election coming up from a parliamentary elections coming up in september, they are telling people don't vote for the united russian ruling _ don't vote for the united russian ruling party, that is seen as a threat — ruling party, that is seen as a threat i_ ruling party, that is seen as a threat. i don't know whether they will threat. idon't know whether they will still— threat. i don't know whether they will still put out the same videos that navalny was making with putin palace _ that navalny was making with putin palace and the black sea. so they are calculating that if he is in 'ail are calculating that if he is in jail and — are calculating that if he is in jail and silenced, that his movement will wither. — jail and silenced, that his movement will wither, and i'm not quite sure that they— will wither, and i'm not quite sure that they are correct about that. again. _ that they are correct about that. again. this— that they are correct about that. again, this is now a movement that has branches all over the country come _ has branches all over the country come about, of course, they will be without _ come about, of course, they will be without their charismatic leader speaking — without their charismatic leader speaking out in public.- speaking out in public. these -ictures speaking out in public. these pictures we _ speaking out in public. these pictures we are _ speaking out in public. these pictures we are seeing - speaking out in public. these| pictures we are seeing tonight speaking out in public. these - pictures we are seeing tonight which we show as we are speaking with you, it's quite extraordinary. it shows the size of the threat that they perceive him to be. he was quite
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astute today, he knows how to twist the knife, putin is not a statesman, he said, he will be known in history is maxtor —— putin poison her. how does that relate withjoe biden when he asked her talk to president putin, the fact that he's talking to a man who has been criticized as a poison or?— a man who has been criticized as a oison or? , �* ., , ., poison or? president biden has made no bones of— poison or? president biden has made no bones of the _ poison or? president biden has made no bones of the fact _ poison or? president biden has made no bones of the fact that _ poison or? president biden has made no bones of the fact that he - poison or? president biden has made no bones of the fact that he has - poison or? president biden has made no bones of the fact that he has a - no bones of the fact that he has a rather— no bones of the fact that he has a rather dim — no bones of the fact that he has a rather dim view on president putin. that a _ rather dim view on president putin. that a phone call last week, they have _ that a phone call last week, they have extended the nuclear arms agreements, but he has been quite clear about — agreements, but he has been quite clear about that. i think it's going to be _ clear about that. i think it's going to be interesting to see the eu representative will be in moscow. both he _ representative will be in moscow. both he and the british foreign minister— both he and the british foreign minister in the us secretary of state — minister in the us secretary of state have expressed concern about those _ state have expressed concern about those that _ state have expressed concern about those that navalny must be released. but the _ those that navalny must be released. but the problem is what are they going _ but the problem is what are they going to — but the problem is what are they going to do about it? is there anything _ going to do about it? is there anything they can do to get them? angela. _ anything they can do to get them?
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angela, what else is feeding into the protests that we are seeing about alexei navalny�*s arrest and now him being jailed? about alexei navalny�*s arrest and now him bein like ed? about alexei navalny�*s arrest and now him i: are like ed? about alexei navalny�*s arrest and now him i:are affecting this? yes. about alexei navalny�*s arrest and no i him i:are affecting this? yes. about alexei navalny�*s arrest and no i him i:are afft combination es. about alexei navalny�*s arrest and no i him i:ai people'stbination es. about alexei navalny�*s arrest and no i him i:ai people's standard as. about alexei navalny�*s arrest and no i him i:ai people's standard of a few years. people's standard of living _ a few years. people's standard of living has — a few years. people's standard of living has been falling for years. it's living has been falling for years. it's much — living has been falling for years. it's much worse since covid. they resent _ it's much worse since covid. they resent the — it's much worse since covid. they resent the lockdowns, the unemployment has grown, negative growth _ unemployment has grown, negative growth rates. and then there is the new constitution, which will enable putin— new constitution, which will enable putin to _ new constitution, which will enable putin to be — new constitution, which will enable putin to be in power until 2036, so a lot— putin to be in power until 2036, so a lot of— putin to be in power until 2036, so a lot of those young people out on the streets come in many of them are very young. _ the streets come in many of them are very young, they have never known another _ very young, they have never known another leader, and they look at this elderly man from their point of view and _ this elderly man from their point of view and the people around them and they want— view and the people around them and they want change and a number of young _ they want change and a number of young people who have any confidence in him _ young people who have any confidence in him has _ young people who have any confidence in him has fallen drastically. i think— in him has fallen drastically. i think it's _ in him has fallen drastically. i think it's a _ in him has fallen drastically. i think it's a combination of all of those _ think it's a combination of all of those things and the greater repression that we have seen, new
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laws that— repression that we have seen, new laws that have been passed, mobilizing young and older people to take to _ mobilizing young and older people to take to the streets and demand something different. he take to the streets and demand something different.— take to the streets and demand something different. he is -- his su ort something different. he is -- his sopport by _ something different. he is -- his sopport by the — something different. he is -- his support by the 18-24 _ something different. he is -- his support by the 18-24 -year-olds| something different. he is -- his. support by the 18-24 -year-olds has support by the 18—24 —year—olds has slumped. professor, thanks very much forjoining us. thank you. i forjoining us. thank you. forjoining us. thank ou. ., ~ forjoining us. thank ou. . ,, , , thank you. i was talking yesterday about how a _ thank you. i was talking yesterday about how a black _ thank you. i was talking yesterday about how a black dog _ thank you. i was talking yesterday about how a black dog has - thank you. i was talking yesterday about how a black dog has got - thank you. i was talking yesterday| about how a black dog has got hold of me these last few days as we go through this pandemic, one of the worst aspects of pandemic life, i think time is losing touch with all of those peripheral people in your social circle. the friends you didn't know you had, like the person at the coffee shop or the dog owner used to see at the park. while many of us have spent more time with close friends during the pandemic, one casualty has been those people who make up the backdrop to our lives — and research from stanford university shows that friends on the periphery are just as important as those we hold dear, especially when it comes to finding work amanda mull has been researching the issue for the atlantic.
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shejoins us now. thanks so much for being with us. i know that in my life, i miss the russian guy who used to mend my shoes, he's going out of business, more than i can say. who is it for you? for out of business, more than i can say. who is it for you?— out of business, more than i can say. who is it for you? for me, it is so many _ say. who is it for you? for me, it is so many people. _ say. who is it for you? for me, it is so many people. i _ say. who is it for you? for me, it is so many people. i am - say. who is it for you? for me, it is so many people. i am a - say. who is it for you? for me, it is so many people. i am a very i is so many people. i am a very chatty— is so many people. i am a very chatty person. i like to talk to lots _ chatty person. i like to talk to lots of — chatty person. i like to talk to lots of strangers pretty much everywhere i go. i miss the people at my— everywhere i go. i miss the people at my local— everywhere i go. i miss the people at my local coffee shop, at the bagel— at my local coffee shop, at the bagel shop and i missed the ups guy who used _ bagel shop and i missed the ups guy who used to bring all my packages up to my— who used to bring all my packages up to my door~ _ who used to bring all my packages up to my door. all of these different kinds _ to my door. all of these different kinds of— to my door. all of these different kinds of people who use to you know, have a _ kinds of people who use to you know, have a kind _ kinds of people who use to you know, have a kind word and a smile throughout the day, every day. what is the psychological _ throughout the day, every day. ixgrusgt is the psychological impact throughout the day, every day. “o"usgt is the psychological impact on throughout the day, every day. "“jousgt is the psychological impact on us? especially as we are spending way too much time with technology and having these weird and impersonal interactions. i having these weird and impersonal interactions-— interactions. i think the psychological _ interactions. i think the psychological impact i interactions. i think the - psychological impact comes up in interactions. i think the _ psychological impact comes up in a lot of— psychological impact comes up in a lot of areas— psychological impact comes up in a lot of areas of life. i think one of the worst— lot of areas of life. i think one of the worst things is that you just sort of— the worst things is that you just
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sort of get closed off in sameness over time — sort of get closed off in sameness over time. you see sort of get closed off in sameness overtime. you see herfamily, if you live — overtime. you see herfamily, if you live with _ overtime. you see herfamily, if you live with them can use your closest — you live with them can use your closest friends. pretty much everybody else, the people who provide — everybody else, the people who provide all the variety come all the spontaneity, all the variation in your— spontaneity, all the variation in your life — spontaneity, all the variation in your life is _ spontaneity, all the variation in your life is sort of gone, and that tends _ your life is sort of gone, and that tends to— your life is sort of gone, and that tends to lead people to close in on themselves a little bit to settle into beliefs that might otherwise be challenged if they had other ways to interact _ challenged if they had other ways to interact with people to take less good _ interact with people to take less good care — interact with people to take less good care of themselves, to not do their exercises or make sure that they are — their exercises or make sure that they are on — their exercises or make sure that they are on a good eating schedule. we sort _ they are on a good eating schedule. we sort of— they are on a good eating schedule. we sort of decompensate when we don't _ we sort of decompensate when we don't have — we sort of decompensate when we don't have all these types of stimulation.— stimulation. yes. it's the exoerience _ stimulation. yes. it's the experience for _ stimulation. yes. it's the experience for me, - stimulation. yes. it's the i experience for me, though. stimulation. yes. it's the - experience for me, though. it's stimulation. yes. it's the _ experience for me, though. it's not necessarily specific people. i mean, do you remember when used to go to the pub and you didn't have to be told where you can sit or stand or there were peanuts on the bar, or you could stand in line at the
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urinals, just really simple things that i really miss. and it's that experience, that shared experience, like you say, it's not necessarily the people for me, amanda. in like you say, it's not necessarily the people for me, amanda. in this sto , the people for me, amanda. in this story. talk— the people for me, amanda. in this story, talk about _ the people for me, amanda. in this story, talk about how _ the people for me, amanda. in this story, talk about how much - the people for me, amanda. in this story, talk about how much i - the people for me, amanda. in this story, talk about how much i miss i story, talk about how much i miss going _ story, talk about how much i miss going to _ story, talk about how much i miss going to a — story, talk about how much i miss going to a bar and watching a football— going to a bar and watching a football game. but something that i did virtually every weekend in the fall during pre—pandemic life. i only— fall during pre—pandemic life. i only knew— fall during pre—pandemic life. i only knew a couple of people at the football _ only knew a couple of people at the football games or at the bar, while i football games or at the bar, while i only— football games or at the bar, while ionly knew— football games or at the bar, while i only knew a couple of bartenders, and there _ i only knew a couple of bartenders, and there were hundreds of other people _ and there were hundreds of other people there. butjust being in a group _ people there. butjust being in a group of— people there. butjust being in a group of people who are all doing the same — group of people who are all doing the same thing, all excited about the same thing, all excited about the same — the same thing, all excited about the same thing, all excited about the same thing, all excited about the same thing, all rooting for the same _ the same thing, all rooting for the same outcome, all having the same emotions _ same outcome, all having the same emotions is — same outcome, all having the same emotions is profoundly psychologically stimulating in a way that you _ psychologically stimulating in a way that you just can't do over zoom. is that you just can't do over zoom. is not that you just can't do over zoom. not the line at that you just can't do over zoom. is not the line at the arnold that i missed the most commits the experience. of everyone being together. just some clarification. thank you very much indeed for that. we will one day return to our friends at the pub and the russian
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shoemaker. i guarantee it. you did sa ou shoemaker. i guarantee it. you did say you are — shoemaker. i guarantee it. you did say you are feeling _ shoemaker. i guarantee it. you did say you are feeling lonely, - say you are feeling lonely, christian, and now all is revealed, really. yes! say no more. good evening. we“ll continue to see the snow falling through this evening and overnight and with temperatures close to freezing on the roads and pavements, it will be slippery. so, some fairly treacherous travelling conditions. the strong wind as well is blowing the snow around. you can get the warnings from the website. it's because we've got the milder atlantic air trying to come into that colder air in the north but gradually through the week, you'll notice the milder air is nibbled away at. and if you watch the wind direction, it's the easterly, and then we get it coming southwards on that northerly breeze and it's just stirring the cold air into the midst and that cold air, therefore, is heading southwards with time. so, i think by the weekend, it will be colder for all but at the moment, the milder air“s in charge in the south. so, lots of heavy showers. they run northwards coming into that
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cold air and just enhance that risk of further snow, especially for the hills, but there will be some snow at lower levels — a few centimetres certainly for the likes of the central lowlands, pushing a little bit further northwards mostly over the hills in northern ireland where slightly milder conditions prevail as they will across the bulk of england and wales away from the far north. but look towards the south with the potential for more rain to come in here. so, rain onto saturated ground with river levels still high, and there are still numerous flood warnings in force. so, this is a concern for southern areas. there's some uncertainty as to exactly how far north it will come. it looks like we'll see a dollop of rain here through the first part of wednesday, and the milder air gets further north into northern ireland and northern england. so, we'll start to see the snow that has fallen thawing and again pushing into the river systems as well as the heavy showers and longer spells of rain that are following. but all the while, that easterly wind, it“ll continue to fall as snow across much of scotland and possibly the far north of england as well where that cold air is established and particularly over the hills, and what a raw day it'll
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be with that strong easterly wind as well. and little changes as we move into thursday. that easterly wind is still established. so, pushing more snowfall up onto the hills here, rain further south where it's slightly milder air, and still lots of heavy showers coming in over the saturated ground as well. so, that ongoing risk of flooding with us through much of the week — but towards the weekend, that cold air, as i say, is filtering its way southwards. so, it'll be a colder few days to come by that stage. the warnings are on the website.
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you“re watching bbc news with me laura trevelyan in new york, christian fraser is in london. our top stories. us vaccine rates continue to climb — a neccesary boost in race to get more people immune before covid variants take hold in america. for all the recent display of bipartisanship, president biden stands firm on his $1.9 trillion relief package for the covid—ravaged us economy. jeff bezos announces he will step down as chief executive of amazon, leaving the helm of the company he founded almost three decades ago. also in the programme... to mask — or double mask? we investigate which kind of face
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coverings give you the best protection against covid—i9. plus, the english farm that“s raked in over fifty thousand pounds by offering paid zoom calls with a goat. i kid you not. in the united states covid hospitalisations and cases are falling — signs the country could be turning a corner in the pandemic. but that progress could be thwarted by more contagious strains that have quickly taken hold in other parts of the world. it makes the effort to vaccinate people quickly — absolutely crucial. it's a race between the vaccines and the variants. in the us — some 32.8 million doses have been given. that's more than the 26.3 million who have tested positive for the virus. in the last week, the us has been
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vaccinating people at an average rate of 1.34 million doses per day. in an effort makes vaccines more readily available, next week doses will be shipped directly to pharmacies nationwide. that's why we're pleased to announce our first phase of the federal retail pharmacy programme for covid—19 vaccinations. this is a key component of president biden's national strategy, offering vaccinations in america's pharmacies. starting on february 11th, the federal government will deliver vaccines directly to select pharmacies across the country. andy slavitt is white house senior advisor for covid—response. hejoins us now from the north lawn. which looks very snowy. thank you very much for being with us. talk to us about the new announcement, you are putting vaccines into pharmacies. how is it going to work?
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well, though, we have to do a few things— well, though, we have to do a few things here. we know americans are impatient— things here. we know americans are impatient and anxious, they want to -et impatient and anxious, they want to get vaccinated. the first thing i did say— get vaccinated. the first thing i did say is— get vaccinated. the first thing i did say is we have increased the number— did say is we have increased the number of— did say is we have increased the number of vaccines being shipped out to the _ number of vaccines being shipped out to the states and to the pharmacies by about— to the states and to the pharmacies by about one third since january 20 and that's— by about one third since january 20 and that's good news but we also have _ and that's good news but we also have to _ and that's good news but we also have to make those vaccines more accessible — have to make those vaccines more accessible to more people by putting in work— accessible to more people by putting in work locations. today we are excited — in work locations. today we are excited that we are going to be starting — excited that we are going to be starting a — excited that we are going to be starting a programme that's going to directly— starting a programme that's going to directly put vaccines into retail pharmacies that i think will only grow _ pharmacies that i think will only grow we — pharmacies that i think will only grow. we also announced that fema is going _ grow. we also announced that fema is going to _ grow. we also announced that fema is going to be _ grow. we also announced that fema is going to be sending up about 100 community vaccination centres in locations— community vaccination centres in locations where we need them. we are moving _ locations where we need them. we are moving on— locations where we need them. we are moving on many fronts to get both quicker— moving on many fronts to get both quicker vaccine access but also favour — quicker vaccine access but also favour a — quicker vaccine access but also favour a vaccine access. | quicker vaccine access but also favour a vaccine access.- quicker vaccine access but also favour a vaccine access. i want to talk to you _ favour a vaccine access. i want to talk to you about _ favour a vaccine access. i want to talk to you about testing - favour a vaccine access. i want to talk to you about testing for - favour a vaccine access. i want to talk to you about testing for a i talk to you about testing for a second because that is worth there are a lot of concerns in the united states. we were talking earlier about the surge testing going on in
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the uk to find and stamp out the south african variant, going door—to—door dropping tests through the door and picking them up and they are hopefully going to isolate and get rid of that variant. now, last week, there were two cases of the south african variant are found in south carolina. were you carrying out similar tests?— out similar tests? well, i would love to tell— out similar tests? well, i would love to tell you _ out similar tests? well, i would love to tell you that _ out similar tests? well, i would love to tell you that this - out similar tests? well, i would love to tell you that this was i out similar tests? well, i would love to tell you that this was a i love to tell you that this was a perfectly — love to tell you that this was a perfectly systematic process but we have been— perfectly systematic process but we have been behind the uk on sequencing and we have just begun a pretty— sequencing and we have just begun a pretty significant ramp up of our resequencing. there is now been a third _ resequencing. there is now been a third case — resequencing. there is now been a third case discovered in maryland but we _ third case discovered in maryland but we know there is likely more. our counsel— but we know there is likely more. our counsel to people here is to 0ur counsel to people here is to very— 0ur counsel to people here is to very much— 0ur counsel to people here is to very much assume that you have a contagious— very much assume that you have a contagious form of covid—19 in your communities because you do whether it is a _ communities because you do whether it is a super— communities because you do whether it is a super contagious orjust normal— it is a super contagious orjust normal contagious and we need to act
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accordingly— normal contagious and we need to act accordingly and that means wearing a mask and _ accordingly and that means wearing a mask and a _ accordingly and that means wearing a mask and a social distancing because we are _ mask and a social distancing because we are on— mask and a social distancing because we are on the cusp of being able to defeat _ we are on the cusp of being able to defeat this— we are on the cusp of being able to defeat this thing with the vaccines but we _ defeat this thing with the vaccines but we can't do it, the vaccines will never— but we can't do it, the vaccines will never catch up quickly enough but the _ will never catch up quickly enough but the simple answer is you don't know— but the simple answer is you don't know whether that is there or not, because _ know whether that is there or not, because the testing is not up to scratch — because the testing is not up to scratch. absolutely not. i think again. — scratch. absolutely not. i think again. we _ scratch. absolutely not. i think again, we have to assume that we are only catching — again, we have to assume that we are only catching a fraction of the variant— only catching a fraction of the variant here and if you are somewhere in the us and anywhere by the way— somewhere in the us and anywhere by the way in _ somewhere in the us and anywhere by the way in many countries around the world. _ the way in many countries around the world. it _ the way in many countries around the world. it is _ the way in many countries around the world, it is always the safest to assume — world, it is always the safest to assume that we do have the variant present— assume that we do have the variant present in— assume that we do have the variant present in the community and act accordingly. fire present in the community and act accordingly-— present in the community and act accordinul . �* ,, _, ., accordingly. are you confident that the us is going _ accordingly. are you confident that the us is going to _ accordingly. are you confident that the us is going to be _ accordingly. are you confident that the us is going to be able - accordingly. are you confident that the us is going to be able to - the us is going to be able to vaccinate enough people quickly enough to outrun all the variants of the virus? , enough to outrun all the variants of the virus? j j enough to outrun all the variants of the virus? j , ., the virus? remember, the virus and the virus? remember, the virus and the variants — the virus? remember, the virus and the variants grow _ the virus? remember, the virus and the variants grow exponentially. - the variants grow exponentially. vaccine — the variants grow exponentially. vaccine distribution only happens
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linearly~ — vaccine distribution only happens linearly. so, if indeed we have a variant _ linearly. so, if indeed we have a variant here _ linearly. so, if indeed we have a variant here that really takes off in certain — variant here that really takes off in certain cities, we are going to have _ in certain cities, we are going to have to — in certain cities, we are going to have to use _ in certain cities, we are going to have to use public health measures like avoiding crowds and wearing masks _ like avoiding crowds and wearing masks and so forth. those are by far our best— masks and so forth. those are by far our best and — masks and so forth. those are by far our best and earliest sign of protection. now, our most permanent protection — protection. now, our most permanent protection of course its vaccinations and those vaccinations are getting — vaccinations and those vaccinations are getting ramped up, but the vaccinations couldn't possibly ramp up vaccinations couldn't possibly ramp up quick— vaccinations couldn't possibly ramp up quick enough if indeed we have massive _ up quick enough if indeed we have massive growth of the variant in one community— massive growth of the variant in one community or another. do you think that in— community or another. do you think that in life _ community or another. do you think that in life here in the us could return— that in life here in the us could return to — that in life here in the us could return to normal in the fall hopefully? i think we have lived through— hopefully? i think we have lived through too much people who who think— through too much people who who think they— through too much people who who think they have crystal balls who say solutions are around the corner and there _ say solutions are around the corner and there are miracles. so i'm going to hold _ and there are miracles. so i'm going to hold off— and there are miracles. so i'm going to hold off on making predictions like that — to hold off on making predictions like that. but i am going to say is we do _ like that. but i am going to say is we do have — like that. but i am going to say is we do have our destiny in our own
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hands. _ we do have our destiny in our own hands. we — we do have our destiny in our own hands, we do have the ability to defeat _ hands, we do have the ability to defeat this and make it better, we will gain— defeat this and make it better, we will gain on it bit by bit, i know we would — will gain on it bit by bit, i know we would all like an instant solution _ we would all like an instant solution which is why it is so appealing when someone says that they have — appealing when someone says that they have a silver bullet or miracle. _ they have a silver bullet or miracle, but this will take months to vaccinate the country and we will have to _ to vaccinate the country and we will have to battle these variants. we will get _ have to battle these variants. we will get through this and defeat this but— will get through this and defeat this but we will all have to put together— this but we will all have to put together to do it. the this but we will all have to put together to do it.— this but we will all have to put together to do it. the reason why it is auoin to together to do it. the reason why it is going to take _ together to do it. the reason why it is going to take some _ together to do it. the reason why it is going to take some time - together to do it. the reason why it is going to take some time is - is going to take some time is because there isn't the abundance of vaccine. and that picks the question for me why you haven't pushed the fda to approve the astrazeneca vaccine because it's been approved here in europe, it“s vaccine because it's been approved here in europe, it's in full use here in europe, it's in full use here in europe, it's in full use here in the uk. you were part of the trial, but now it seems that it's not going to be approved in the united states until maybe april. first of all, i would love to tell you that — first of all, i would love to tell you that we had an abundance of vaccines— you that we had an abundance of vaccines that we inherited from the last administration. that's not the case and — last administration. that's not the case and i— last administration. that's not the case and i think that's important that people know that we level with them _ that people know that we level with them. secondly, the fda, just like
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them. secondly, the fda, just like the year— them. secondly, the fda, just like the year think —— european authorities, is perfectly capable of doing _ authorities, is perfectly capable of doing the — authorities, is perfectly capable of doing the scientific analysis of the safety— doing the scientific analysis of the safety and efficacy analysis. remember we safety and efficacy analysis. rememberwe are not safety and efficacy analysis. remember we are not looking for more vaccines. _ remember we are not looking for more vaccines. we _ remember we are not looking for more vaccines, we are looking for more vaccinations. why do i say this? because — vaccinations. why do i say this? because people need to trust that it is the _ because people need to trust that it is the scientists and not the politicians and we just had a four year— politicians and we just had a four year bout — politicians and we just had a four year bout with us of people interfering with the scientific agencies and thinking they know better~ — agencies and thinking they know better~ i— agencies and thinking they know better. i am quite confident that the fda — better. i am quite confident that the fda will make the right decision about— the fda will make the right decision about these vaccines when they indeed — about these vaccines when they indeed have enough data. that about these vaccines when they indeed have enough data. that is a really important — indeed have enough data. that is a really important point. _ indeed have enough data. that is a really important point. andy - really important point. andy slavitt, we know you are very busy, thank you very much forjoining us on the programme. it is the first big test ofjoe biden“s attempts to work across the aisle. can he get republicans to sign on to a massive coronavirus package he hopes will sustain the us economy. last night the president invited ten republican senators to the oval office, who had written to him with a compromise offer. the republican senator susan collins said it was a useful exchange of views and there were broad
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areas of agreement. but the truth is there's a massive gap between the two sides on what they are prepared to spend. republican senators are thinking of a figure close to $600 billion. president biden wants to spend something nearer to $1.9 trillion, which includes stimulus cheques for americans as well as support for cash strapped state and local authorities. the gap between the two sides is currently $1.3 trillion. and while the president wants to do this in a bipartisan way, the senate majority leader chuck schumer is preparing to push it through with a simple majority. and he's not keen on trimming the amount of aid to americans. we want this entire effort to be bipartisan — we do. but helping the american people with a the big, bold relief they need... mr president, that isjob number one. that isjob number one
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which is so, so important. so, again, we're not going to dilute, dither, or delay because the demands of the american people are so real and so large. we need to think big and think quickly. let“s speak to jason furman — professor, at the harvard kennedy school and former chairman of the white house council of economic advisors under president 0bama. thanks so much for being with us. based on your experience in 2008, do you think now is the moment for president biden to go big and spend big? i president biden to go big and spend bi. 7 . ., , ~ president biden to go big and spend bi? . ., , ~ a president biden to go big and spend bi? . ., , ~ big? i certainly think it's better to err on the _ big? i certainly think it's better to err on the side _ big? i certainly think it's better to err on the side of _ big? i certainly think it's better to err on the side of too - big? i certainly think it's better to err on the side of too big. i l to err on the side of too big. i certainly— to err on the side of too big. i certainly think that doing something ambitious _ certainly think that doing something ambitious is important when we still have very— ambitious is important when we still have very high unemployment and a difficult _ have very high unemployment and a difficult road ahead of us. but have very high unemployment and a difficult road ahead of us.— difficult road ahead of us. but the theory has _ difficult road ahead of us. but the theory has always _ difficult road ahead of us. but the theory has always been _ difficult road ahead of us. but the theory has always been that -
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difficult road ahead of us. but the i theory has always been that massive spending will lead to inflation and the economy overheating but isn't the economy overheating but isn't the case now that the august chairman of the federal reserve wants big spending? what“s changed? what has changed is that we had a massive _ what has changed is that we had a massive shock hit the economy. we prevented _ massive shock hit the economy. we prevented a — massive shock hit the economy. we prevented a second great depression by making _ prevented a second great depression by making a huge effort to last year in terms _ by making a huge effort to last year in terms of— by making a huge effort to last year in terms of pumping resources into the economy, but we need to keep that up— the economy, but we need to keep that up in— the economy, but we need to keep that up in order to finish the job and as— that up in order to finish the job and as long as you are in a depressed economy, you're going to have a _ depressed economy, you're going to have a hard — depressed economy, you're going to have a hard time generating a lot of inflatioh _ have a hard time generating a lot of inflation. mr have a hard time generating a lot of inflation. ~ jj have a hard time generating a lot of inflation. ~ .j ., ., , ., inflation. mr furman i want to put a rah on inflation. mr furman i want to put a graph on the _ inflation. mr furman i want to put a graph on the screen _ inflation. mr furman i want to put a graph on the screen for— inflation. mr furman i want to put a graph on the screen for our- inflation. mr furman i want to put a graph on the screen for our review. graph on the screen for our review was because there is a myth which republicans like to perpetuate that they are the guardians of the public purse. so, this is a picture of the deficit in the united states going all the way back to bill clinton. the first two bars you see there,
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below the line, that is surplus and then you see that they go into deficit with george w bush and it comes down towards the presidency of president 0bama, and then of course there's 2008, so itjumps. they there“s 2008, so itjumps. they start to pay that off and then it starts to climb again through the presidency of donald trump and then itjumps, itjumps during the pandemic. in fact it has surpassed the size of the entire annual economy for the first time since world war ii. so, it is a frustration i think is in it that democrats that now republicans are out of office, they say now we need to watch the spending here.- out of office, they say now we need to watch the spending here. yeah, i think there — to watch the spending here. yeah, i think there is _ to watch the spending here. yeah, i think there is some _ to watch the spending here. yeah, i think there is some of _ to watch the spending here. yeah, i think there is some of that, - to watch the spending here. yeah, i think there is some of that, we i to watch the spending here. yeah, i | think there is some of that, we pass a tax _ think there is some of that, we pass a tax cut— think there is some of that, we pass a tax cut four — think there is some of that, we pass a tax cut four years ago that was poorly _ a tax cut four years ago that was poorly designed and gave us a lot of money— poorly designed and gave us a lot of money to— poorly designed and gave us a lot of money to the highest income households and we never heard about costs. _ households and we never heard about costs. we _ households and we never heard about costs, we never heard about targeting. now we look at this, this is much _ targeting. now we look at this, this is much more progressive, i think it's is much more progressive, ! think it's much— is much more progressive, i think it's much more needed, but we are hearing _ it's much more needed, but we are hearing a _ it's much more needed, but we are hearing a lot — it's much more needed, but we are hearing a lot about, "0h, it's much more needed, but we are hearing a lot about, "oh, this person— hearing a lot about, "oh, this
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person doesn't need it, that person doesn't _ person doesn't need it, that person doesn't need it." fine person doesn't need it, that person doesn't need it."— doesn't need it." one of the things the want doesn't need it." one of the things they want to _ doesn't need it." one of the things they want to cut _ doesn't need it." one of the things they want to cut though, _ doesn't need it." one of the things they want to cut though, the i they want to cut though, the republicans is the stimulus checks and there is interesting research from harvard university that is out this week which suggests among those people middle to high earners, those people middle to high earners, those people who earn over $75,000 from at the stimulus cheques don“t people who earn over $75,000 from at the stimulus cheques don't have that much effect because people i don't know what it does but that bracket of people tend to be more prudent and save it, so it doesn't have a big impact on the real economy. so would there be well advised to spend that money and other areas of the economy? i that money and other areas of the econom ? .. “ j that money and other areas of the econom ? ~' �* , ., economy? i think it'll be fine to better target — economy? i think it'll be fine to better target the _ economy? i think it'll be fine to better target the stimulus i economy? i think it'll be fine to i better target the stimulus cheques to more _ better target the stimulus cheques to more moderate income households. ithink— to more moderate income households. i think if— to more moderate income households. i think if you _ to more moderate income households. i think if you make $140,000 a year, you probably don't need the full $2000 — you probably don't need the full $2000 per person, certainly it would be nice _ $2000 per person, certainly it would be nice to _ $2000 per person, certainly it would be nice to have, but if you have a limited _ be nice to have, but if you have a limited set — be nice to have, but if you have a limited set of priorities, i think you could — limited set of priorities, i think you could prioritise better the targeting of the cheques. jason furman, thank _ targeting of the cheques. jason furman, thank you _ targeting of the cheques. jason furman, thank you so - targeting of the cheques. jason furman, thank you so much i targeting of the cheques. jason furman, thank you so much for targeting of the cheques. jagsrru
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furman, thank you so much for being with us. jj furman, thank you so much for being with us. .j ., ., stay with us on bbc news, still to come — we meet the goat who“s being invited to all the hottest zoom parties. well, to mark the 75th anniversary of v—j day in august last year, artist alexander chamberlin, a former army officer, created the official oil painting of captain sir tom moore for the army and got to meet him. he told us about his time with the captain and how he captured the veteran's spark in his artwork. i was incredibly lucky to be able to meet him. i think i was the only person to be able to do that. that shows, really, kind of the regard that he held the army in that he allowed the army to get close to him. he was inundated with requests and there were many fantastic efforts at painting him, but i was greatly honoured to be able to meet him in person. just what an amazing person to meet.
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his grandson, benji, looked after me when i was there. and it wasjust brilliant. just such a shame to lose him now. what was so great about him was that he really welcomed me into his environment so that i could actually sort of have a chance to talk to him. he was very relaxed and able to just allow me to feel comfortable, which i think is the mark of a true gentleman. and you're right, the twinkle was very important. my wife made it very clear to me and my daughters, even our four—year—old daughter noticed it and actually helped me with a few little bits and pieces on the painting in the end. we talked about quite a lot and covered a lot of ground. and, if there was definitely a sort of mutual... well, a lot more respect from me, ithink, in terms of, you know, what he has
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done, what he went through. my service, really, just pales into insignificance compared to really even anything he has done then or since, really. we“ve talked a lot about vaccines in recent weeks, the rows, the issues with rollout and distribution, not to mention the skepticism in some quarters. but for many people the best protection — at least for now — remains social distancing and mask wearing. but the advice on face coverings hasn“t not always been consistent — and it can vary widely from country to country — and here in the us — from state to state. 0ur science editor, david shukman has more.
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all of the world people are now covering their faces in all of the world people are now covering theirfaces in many different ways. all over the world, people are now covering their faces in a million different ways. there's a lot of choice about what type to wear, and, in some countries, the advice is changing, as we learn more about how the virus spreads. so, what are the options? well, a home—made face covering is the simplest and cheapest, and it was promoted in 2020 because of worries about shortages of professional masks that medics desperately needed. this one, it's made from an old t—shirt. it's got three layers, so should do a reasonable job of stopping any virus that i might release, which really matters, because up to one in three people may be infected without even realising. and to make it more effective, there's the idea of doubling up — having two coverings, one on top of the other, because that gives you more layers to stop the virus getting through. so if you have a physical covering with one layer, you put another layer on, itjust makes common sense that it likely would be more effective. we saw a lot of these double masks
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on inauguration day in washington. they're not recommended by the us government or by the world health organization, but they are catching on. next up in quality is the surgical mask. these are water—resistant, so if someone coughs right at you, the virus should be blocked. they should provide you with some good protection, and others around you, but they don't fit very well. there are gaps at the sides that tiny virus particles called aerosols could get through. you can see how that happens in these lab tests. they show how air and aerosols can escape from around the masks. so, to guard against that, there are better grades of mask. they“re called n95 in the us or ffp2 or ffp3 in the uk. in austria, they're now required on buses and in other public areas, while, in germany, elderly people have been given them for going shopping.
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breaking tech news coming out in the last 30 minutes. jeff bezos has just announced he is handing over the reins of amazon and will be stepping as ceo of amazon this summer. he wants to "focus more time and energy" on his other projects — including the bezos earth fund, blue 0rigin, the washington post. we“re joined now by our business correspodent michelle fleury. nice to see you michelle, how is the market reacting to this? this nice to see you michelle, how is the market reacting to this?— market reacting to this? this is a hu . e market reacting to this? this is a huge surprise. — market reacting to this? this is a huge surprise, everyone - market reacting to this? this is a huge surprise, everyone was i market reacting to this? this is a i huge surprise, everyone was gearing up huge surprise, everyone was gearing up to— huge surprise, everyone was gearing up to hear— huge surprise, everyone was gearing up to hear the results from this company— up to hear the results from this company which theyjust published. there _ company which theyjust published. there was— company which theyjust published. there was huge expectations around aws. _ there was huge expectations around aws. their— there was huge expectations around aws, their booming cloud business. and then _ aws, their booming cloud business. and then suddenly, we learned that there _ and then suddenly, we learned that there was— and then suddenly, we learned that there was this memo that jeff bezos had sent— there was this memo that jeff bezos had sent to staff in which he announced essentially that he was stepping _ announced essentially that he was stepping down this summer and in his place. _ stepping down this summer and in his place. andy— stepping down this summer and in his place, andyjassy would become his ceo, place, andyjassy would become his ceo. he _ place, andyjassy would become his ceo, he currently runs aws, that is
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the lesser— known part of amazon, ceo, he currently runs aws, that is the lesser—known part of amazon, we all think— the lesser—known part of amazon, we all think of— the lesser—known part of amazon, we all think of it — the lesser—known part of amazon, we all think of it as this online retail— all think of it as this online retailjuggernaut but on the site it has built— retailjuggernaut but on the site it has built this hugely successful business — has built this hugely successful business and i think the elevation of andy— business and i think the elevation of andy chassis from that division of andy chassis from that division of the _ of andy chassis from that division of the company is sort of something to pay— of the company is sort of something to pay attention to not just of the company is sort of something to pay attention to notjust in terms — to pay attention to notjust in terms of— to pay attention to notjust in terms of the profits that division is making — terms of the profits that division is making but also now as we see the rise of— is making but also now as we see the rise of corporate ranks. jeff is making but also now as we see the rise of corporate ranks.— rise of corporate ranks. jeff bezos is one of the _ rise of corporate ranks. jeff bezos is one of the richest _ rise of corporate ranks. jeff bezos is one of the richest men - rise of corporate ranks. jeff bezos is one of the richest men in i rise of corporate ranks. jeff bezos is one of the richest men in the i is one of the richest men in the world. if he's going to pursue other projects, what could they be? he does own the washington post for example. the does own the washington post for exam - le. j , does own the washington post for exam - le. j j ., example. the list is the long run, he has his — example. the list is the long run, he has his own _ example. the list is the long run, he has his own rival _ example. the list is the long run, he has his own rival to _ example. the list is the long run, he has his own rival to spacex, i example. the list is the long run, | he has his own rival to spacex, he has the _ he has his own rival to spacex, he has the washington post, he has numerous — has the washington post, he has numerous interests, also if you look back over— numerous interests, also if you look back over the last couple of years, he has _ back over the last couple of years, he hasjust— back over the last couple of years, he hasjust gone through a divorce, that was— he hasjust gone through a divorce, that was the subject of quite a few tabloid _ that was the subject of quite a few tabloid headlines, there are plenty of reasons— tabloid headlines, there are plenty of reasons to think that he might want _ of reasons to think that he might want to— of reasons to think that he might want to take a step back from the
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day-to-day— want to take a step back from the day—to—day running of amazon which as he _ day—to—day running of amazon which as he says _ day—to—day running of amazon which as he says has become a huge and complex— as he says has become a huge and complex business. but at the same time make — complex business. but at the same time make no mistake, he is not disappearing from amazon. i would be very surprised if he wasn't involved in every— very surprised if he wasn't involved in every major strategic decision going _ in every major strategic decision going forward but what this means is he doesn't _ going forward but what this means is he doesn't necessarily have to show up he doesn't necessarily have to show up on _ he doesn't necessarily have to show up on the _ he doesn't necessarily have to show up on the daily basis for every meeting — up on the daily basis for every meeting and i think that is what this shift— meeting and i think that is what this shift signifies and that's why you haven't seen a huge reaction in the stock— you haven't seen a huge reaction in the stock price.— the stock price. michelle fleury, thank you- _ celebrities have been cashing in during lockdown, offering to video call fans stuck at home via zoom. john cleese willjoin you for 15 minutes for $1,000. carole baskin of tiger king fame will give you 10 minutes of her time for something similar. good money if you can get it. and there are people who are using animals to make money as well. cronkshaw farm here in the uk has
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been organising zooms for all occasions with all its animals. you can zoom with a goat, no i am not kidding. 0r or you 0ryou can or you can have a hen with actual hands. you can have a hen do with — actual hens? and the money the farms is raising towards the welfare of the animals and the wages of the staff who might otherwise have been laid off during the pandemic. so let me introduce you to dot mccarthy farmer — and also i will introduce you to lisa. and i will start with you dot because i don't think i've ever interview to go we will leave lisa on the bottom right there, you are in rossendale, you have this farm and the pandemic, what are the implications for you and everyone that works there? 50. and everyone that works there? so, it's a family — and everyone that works there? so, it's a family farm here and i took it's a family farm here and i took it over— it's a family farm here and i took it over about three or four years ago _ it over about three or four years ago sorry. _ it over about three or four years ago. sorry, noisy goats in the
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background to my getting a bit battered here. we started doing weddings and a combination as well, a couple _ weddings and a combination as well, a couple of— weddings and a combination as well, a couple of years ago, i took on my first members of staff, the winter 'ust first members of staff, the winter just before the pandemic. went behind — just before the pandemic. went behind the years in business took on these _ behind the years in business took on these first— behind the years in business took on these first two employees and then covid _ these first two employees and then covid struck which wasn't good. i wanted _ covid struck which wasn't good. i wanted to— covid struck which wasn't good. i wanted to do something to keep my staff employed so they did not have to -o staff employed so they did not have to go home and twiddle their thumbs. just thinking of different moneymaking ideas and one that what worked _ moneymaking ideas and one that what worked really well was we were selling — worked really well was we were selling farm manure but that was extremely stinky and anyone who shovels _ extremely stinky and anyone who shovels muck all day knows it's actually — shovels muck all day knows it's actually really hard work and then we came — actually really hard work and then we came up with the goat zoom idea which _ we came up with the goat zoom idea which started as a joke, oh, hello, goats— which started as a joke, oh, hello, goats climbing all over me. put a goat _ goats climbing all over me. put a goat in _ goats climbing all over me. put a goat in your— goats climbing all over me. put a goat in your video call and prank your— goat in your video call and prank your colleagues if you are bored at work— your colleagues if you are bored at work and _ your colleagues if you are bored at work and on — your colleagues if you are bored at work and on zoom on day. and itjust took off _ work and on zoom on day. and itjust took off. we've done over 10,000 calls now — took off. we've done over 10,000 calls now. as you can see, they are
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very cute — calls now. as you can see, they are very cute-— very cute. dot why is so popular havin: very cute. dot why is so popular having your _ very cute. dot why is so popular having your goats _ very cute. dot why is so popular having your goats on _ very cute. dot why is so popular having your goats on zoom? i l very cute. dot why is so popular. having your goats on zoom? i think 'ust having your goats on zoom? i think just because _ having your goats on zoom? i think just because goats _ having your goats on zoom? i think just because goats are _ having your goats on zoom? i think just because goats are so _ having your goats on zoom? i think just because goats are so naturally| just because goats are so naturally curious _ just because goats are so naturally curious so. — just because goats are so naturally curious. so, peoplejust like having them _ curious. so, peoplejust like having them in— curious. so, peoplejust like having them in the — curious. so, peoplejust like having them in the corner staring at the camera. — them in the corner staring at the camera. as — them in the corner staring at the camera, as he can see right now, they— camera, as he can see right now, they are — camera, as he can see right now, they are very— camera, as he can see right now, they are very interested in what's going _ they are very interested in what's going on. — they are very interested in what's going on, who is in their pen, what is happening. so, yet... so, going on, who is in their pen, what is happening. so, yet...— is happening. so, yet... so, you charue a is happening. so, yet... so, you charge a fiver— is happening. so, yet... so, you charge a fiver for— is happening. so, yet... so, you charge a fiver for a _ is happening. so, yet... so, you charge a fiver for a goat, - is happening. so, yet... so, you charge a fiver for a goat, do i is happening. so, yet... so, you. charge a fiver for a goat, do you? is happening. so, yet... so, you i charge a fiver for a goat, do you? a lot less than carol baskin! how i charge a fiver for a goat, do you? a i lot less than carol baskin! how much have ou lot less than carol baskin! how much have you made?! _ lot less than carol baskin! how much have you made?! we _ lot less than carol baskin! how much have you made?! we had _ lot less than carol baskin! how much have you made?! we had made i lot less than carol baskin! how much i have you made?! we had made £50,000, so that has helped _ have you made?! we had made £50,000, so that has helped to _ have you made?! we had made £50,000, so that has helped to people's _ so that has helped to people's wages — so that has helped to people's wages it— so that has helped to people's wages. it is meant we had been able to keep _ wages. it is meant we had been able to keep it— wages. it is meant we had been able to keep it to — wages. it is meant we had been able to keep it to staff and work which has been — to keep it to staff and work which has been brilliant. i didn't want to lose has been brilliant. ididn't want to lose my— has been brilliant. i didn't want to lose my first two employees ever of mites _ lose my first two employees ever of mites i_ lose my first two employees ever of mites i have managed to keep them hired _ mites i have managed to keep them hired and _ mites i have managed to keep them hired and any extra money, sorry noisy— hired and any extra money, sorry noisy goat— hired and any extra money, sorry noisy goat again, any extra money noisy goat again, any extra money would _ noisy goat again, any extra money would make on top of that is all going _ would make on top of that is all going towards the farm to carbon
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neutral — going towards the farm to carbon neutral lt— going towards the farm to carbon neutral. j jj going towards the farm to carbon neutral. j .j jj jj neutral. it is a great idea. i might hire lisa on _ neutral. it is a great idea. i might hire lisa on it _ neutral. it is a great idea. i might hire lisa on it season _ neutral. it is a great idea. i might hire lisa on it season ticket i neutral. it is a great idea. i might hire lisa on it season ticket for i hire lisa on it season ticket for some people have her on conference calls in the morning. thank you, dot. thank you for watching. tonight at ten, the queen leads the tribute to captain sir tom moore who has died at the age of 100. i will keep on going, people are contributing to me. he raised a fortune for an gesture to us in touch the hearts of people around the world. the touch the hearts of people around the world. . jj j touch the hearts of people around the world. ..j j j j ., touch the hearts of people around the world. j j jj the world. the cause is so good, and i am the world. the cause is so good, and i am delighted _ the world. the cause is so good, and i am delighted that _ the world. the cause is so good, and i am delighted that we _ the world. the cause is so good, and i am delighted that we have - the world. the cause is so good, and i am delighted that we have got i the world. the cause is so good, and i am delighted that we have got so i i am delighted that we have got so much money for such a good cause.
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captain tom was knighted last summer, i have lost the pictures... so, what's happening is we're pulling that cold air southwards across the uk. we“re mixing it around the area of low pressure so everywhere by the weekend is colder, even southern areas. and with a bracing easterly wind, it“ll feel better. now, back to the here and now. some treacherous conditions again in the north. it“s likely we'll see a spell of rain in southern areas as well. bear in mind, the river levels are very high here, too. across northern ireland, parts of northern england but still the far north of england, much of scotland at risk of further snow blowing around in those strong winds and icy conditions. so, treacherous here once again. even at lower levels, some snow continues to fall. that will continue through wednesday night and into thursday as well with further showers running around the base of the area of low pressure pushing up into that cold air. they're just renewing that risk of flooding and snow further north as well — flooding on saturated
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grounds, as i say. coming to thursday and thursday night, you've got that where the front is still with us, still that strong easterly wind. so, i think it's going to be quite a bitter day on thursday again. and by that stage, you can see there are more heavy showers to come in the south. still that tale of two halves which is relatively mild in the south but it's still bitterly cold in the north and snow to low levels and pushing to a little bit further across scotland and further north that is, certainly through thursday and friday, and you can start to sort of see the effect of that cold air pushing a little bit further southwards again by the time we get into friday. and that“ll be noted with the temperatures. and, again, that risk of wintry weather. so, that process continues as we go through into the weekend, as well. that low pressure starts to just be pulled southwards. that easterly wind pulling a little bit further south is getting stronger all the time so that by saturday, an increase risk of snow further south once again, perhaps into northern ireland — sorry, as well as northern england into north wales, the midlands once again. temperatures even further south only at 6's and 7's as opposed to 12's
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and 13's we've been seeing. by sunday, we see that risk of snow slipping further south once again and that strong easterly wind accompanying it. so, any showers coming across here then are more likely to fall as sleet and as snow, and temperatures are barely above freezing by that stage. so, yes, it is going to get colder across all parts by the weekend. and we stay on the northern side in the cold air as we go into the following week. as you can see, it's only by the end of next week that that jet stream is likely to buckle further north and bring back some of them out atlantic air. —— some of the milder atlantic air. up between now and then, it's going to get colder across southern areas. it“ll stay cold in the north. this isjust an illustration, birmingham just this one place but it'll be fairly typical for the whole of the uk where we see temperatures falling away and it gets cold, and stays cold, into next week. the warnings are online.
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tonight at ten — the queen leads the tributes to captain sir tom moore — who“s died at the age of 100. i'll keep on going whilst people are still contributing to the national health service. he was the lockdown hero — who raised a fortune for nhs charities — and touched the hearts of people around the world. the cause is so good, from that point of view i“m the cause is so good, from that point of view i'm delighted we have got so much money for such a good cause. captain tom was knighted last summer — recognising his exceptional efforts — at such a difficult time for the country. captain sir tom moore was a hero in the truest sense of the word.
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