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hello and welcome to our weekly brains trust, with bbc specialists and the correspondents who file stories, broadcast and blog to audiences back home from the dateline: london. this week, advance australia fair or foul? after angela, what will be the legacy of germany's longest—serving chancellor? and too little c02, too much hot air? boris johnson wrestles with the contradictions of keeping us fed and warm but not too hot. joining us this week, latika bourke is an australian
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author and journalist, with columns in the sydney morning herald and the age. stefanie bolzen is uk and ireland correspondent for the german media site welt. here in the studio, our science editor david shukman. good to have you, david, and good to have both of you with us. thanks for joining us. have both of you with us. thanks for joining us. and have both of you with us. thanks for joining us. and indeed have both of you with us. thanks for joining us. and indeed to have both of you with us. thanks for joining us. and indeed to have you at home as well. it was perhaps unfortunate that when borisjohnson came away from his audience at the white house withjoe biden, he was touting an agreement to lift a decades—old ban on the import of british lamb. unfortunate because the governmment�*s been wrestling with the consequences for food supplies of a shortage of c02 — particularly important for the slaughter and storage of meat. ironic that ministers should be worrying about a lack of carbon dioxide when its abundance is a major contributor to global warming — the subject of borisjohnson�*s address to the united nations thursday. david, the food industry has been struggling to get c02, until a deal government did with an american
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company who supplies a lot of it, yet we've got so much of it in the atmosphere! yet we've got so much of it in the atmosphere!_ atmosphere! you have to pick yourself. _ atmosphere! you have to pick yourself, don't _ atmosphere! you have to pick yourself, don't you? - atmosphere! you have to pick yourself, don't you? how- atmosphere! you have to pick yourself, don't you? how on i atmosphere! you have to pick- yourself, don't you? how on earth did we end up in this position? just when there's growing concern about the amount of, the oxide entering that driving up global attempters leading to new extremes, the subject of the rate climate summit in glasgow pop 26 in november, just as that moment, a shortage of c02 has struck —— cop26. it is the result of rising gas prices. the fairlight or industry decided it would not be able to sell its fertilisers to farmers if the prices were too high. and as a by—product of their production of fertiliser, their c02, which is purified and goes into the various food processing industries, so, yes, the government has got its
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way out of this particular pickle by throwing some money at the companies that said the gas price was too high and they could not afford to keep the production going. longer term, of course, no one knows how long thatis of course, no one knows how long that is going to last. when will the gas prices start to fall? when will that government support no longer be needed? alden the content to cop26. stefanie, in germany, an issue that applies across the world, it is also particular effecting europe. i wonder if there's a question of keeping fossilfuels wonder if there's a question of keeping fossil fuels floating, has had an impact on german foreign policy, in relation to russia? yes. policy, in relation to russia? yes, of course it _ policy, in relation to russia? yes, of course it has _ policy, in relation to russia? yes, of course it has come _ policy, in relation to russia? yes, of course it has come and - policy, in relation to russia? yes, of course it has come and we - policy, in relation to russia? yes, of course it has come and we all know_ of course it has come and we all know the — of course it has come and we all know the controversy between the us and germany about the nordstrom two pipeline. _ and germany about the nordstrom two pipeline, the gas pipeline between russia _ pipeline, the gas pipeline between russia that provides directly gas to germany, — russia that provides directly gas to germany, and as it happens it
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arrivesm _ germany, and as it happens it arrives... of course, this has been arrives... of course, this has been a very— arrives... of course, this has been a very tense — arrives... of course, this has been a very tense issue, and this has been _ a very tense issue, and this has been always also an argument to say german— been always also an argument to say german government is far too pro—russian cub because of the dependence on russian gas. and it is if you _ dependence on russian gas. and it is if you look_ dependence on russian gas. and it is if you look at — dependence on russian gas. and it is if you look at the number. half of german— if you look at the number. half of german households get their gas from russia for— german households get their gas from russia for some it is interesting this week, _ russia for some it is interesting this week, because the russian gas provider— this week, because the russian gas provider has been keeping contractual commitments, it is not like some — contractual commitments, it is not like some blame russia, that they are keeping it down to make it more difficult, _ are keeping it down to make it more difficult, but there are those who say, iook. — difficult, but there are those who say, look, you should more quickly approve _ say, look, you should more quickly approve the — say, look, you should more quickly approve the regulations that are still missing to start the nordstrom pipeiihe. _ still missing to start the nordstrom pipeline, so we can provide more gas, _ pipeline, so we can provide more gas, and — pipeline, so we can provide more gas, and this is a tricky issue for germahy— gas, and this is a tricky issue for germany as— gas, and this is a tricky issue for germany as well because they need the approval of other european
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states— the approval of other european states and the european commission, but theoretically the german agency that is— but theoretically the german agency that is in— but theoretically the german agency that is in charge of this regulation could _ that is in charge of this regulation could already say, oh, no, we open these _ could already say, oh, no, we open these pipelines, and i will be a new test, _ these pipelines, and i will be a new test. to— these pipelines, and i will be a new test, to germany as well in terms of russia, _ test, to germany as well in terms of russia, and — test, to germany as well in terms of russia, and then on the other hand, other— russia, and then on the other hand, other european partners.— other european partners. indeed. latika, one _ other european partners. indeed. latika, one thinks _ other european partners. indeed. latika, one thinks of— other european partners. indeed. latika, one thinks of the - other european partners. indeed. latika, one thinks of the last - latika, one thinks of the last federal election in australia many years ago, when many think australian labour's prospects were nixed after links to this. has a tour change the debate?- tour change the debate? yes, althou:h tour change the debate? yes, although l _ tour change the debate? yes, although i think _ tour change the debate? yes, although i think international pressure _ although i think international pressure is _ although i think international pressure is coming _ although i think international pressure is coming more - although i think internationall pressure is coming more than although i think international- pressure is coming more than those weather— pressure is coming more than those weather conditions. _ pressure is coming more than those weather conditions. pulling - pressure is coming more than those weather conditions. pulling is- weather conditions. pulling is already— weather conditions. pulling is already very _ weather conditions. pulling is already very high _ weather conditions. pulling is already very high amongst. weather conditions. pulling isi already very high amongst the australiarr— already very high amongst the australian public— already very high amongst the australian public to _ already very high amongst the australian public to do - already very high amongst the australian public to do more l already very high amongst the i australian public to do more on climate — australian public to do more on climate change, _ australian public to do more on climate change, and _ australian public to do more on climate change, and the - australian public to do more on climate change, and the last. australian public to do more onj climate change, and the last 24 hours. — climate change, and the last 24 hours, there's— climate change, and the last 24 hours, there's been— climate change, and the last 24 hours, there's been some - climate change, and the last 24 hours, there's been some big . hours, there's been some big progress _ hours, there's been some big progress for _ hours, there's been some big progress for us _ hours, there's been some big progress for us early - hours, there's been some big progress for us early on - hours, there's been some big progress for us early on this i hours, there's been some big - progress for us early on this issue. the treasurer _ progress for us early on this issue. the treasurer has _ progress for us early on this issue. the treasurer has come _ progress for us early on this issue. the treasurer has come out - progress for us early on this issue. the treasurer has come out and i the treasurer has come out and backed — the treasurer has come out and backed australia _ the treasurer has come out and backed australia actually- the treasurer has come out and | backed australia actually cutting its carbon — backed australia actually cutting its carbon emissions, _ backed australia actually cutting its carbon emissions, net - backed australia actually cutting its carbon emissions, net zero . backed australia actually cuttingi its carbon emissions, net zero by 2050. _ its carbon emissions, net zero by 2050, and — its carbon emissions, net zero by 2050, and that _ its carbon emissions, net zero by
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2050, and that is _ its carbon emissions, net zero by 2050, and that is really- its carbon emissions, net zero by. 2050, and that is really significant because _ 2050, and that is really significant because the — 2050, and that is really significant because the australian _ 2050, and that is really significantl because the australian government has never— because the australian government has never said _ because the australian government has never said this _ because the australian government has never said this before. - because the australian government has never said this before. the - has never said this before. the prime — has never said this before. the prime minister— has never said this before. the prime minister has _ has never said this before. the prime minister has actively - has never said this before. the - prime minister has actively avoided makihg _ prime minister has actively avoided makihg this — prime minister has actively avoided making this sort _ prime minister has actively avoided making this sort of _ prime minister has actively avoided making this sort of commitment. prime minister has actively avoided making this sort of commitment in| making this sort of commitment in the lead _ making this sort of commitment in the lead up — making this sort of commitment in the lead up to— making this sort of commitment in the lead up to copze, _ making this sort of commitment in the lead up to cop26, so - making this sort of commitment in the lead up to cop26, so now- making this sort of commitment in the lead up to cop26, so now thel the lead up to cop26, so now the expectation — the lead up to cop26, so now the expectation is _ the lead up to cop26, so now the expectation is our— the lead up to cop26, so now the expectation is our that _ expectation is our that actually australia — expectation is our that actually australia might— expectation is our that actually australia might move - expectation is our that actually australia might move to- expectation is our that actually australia might move to net. expectation is our that actually. australia might move to net zero before _ australia might move to net zero before c0p26, _ australia might move to net zero before copze, but _ australia might move to net zero before copze, but i _ australia might move to net zero before copze, but i think- australia might move to net zero before copze, but i think the - before cop26, but i think the international— before cop26, but i think the international friends- before cop26, but i think the international friends of- before copze, but i think the i international friends of australia might— international friends of australia might be — international friends of australia might be well—worn _ international friends of australia might be well—worn to - international friends of australia might be well—worn to do - international friends of australia might be well—worn to do are i international friends of australia - might be well—worn to do are aligned from emma _ might be well—worn to do are aligned from emma bunton _ might be well—worn to do are aligned from emma bunton and _ might be well—worn to do are aligned from emma bunton and say, - might be well—worn to do are aligned from emma bunton and say, what . might be well—worn to do are aligned i from emma bunton and say, what took you so _ from emma bunton and say, what took you so long? _ from emma bunton and say, what took you so long?— you so long? david, this will presumably _ you so long? david, this will presumably go _ you so long? david, this will presumably go well - you so long? david, this will presumably go well in - you so long? david, this will. presumably go well in downing you so long? david, this will- presumably go well in downing street if this is the case, but boris johnson has got enough problems at home with the effects of his energy policy, subsidising consumer prices, production costs. there is a price cap for consumers, but he will go up. is that the best wishes for circle? , ., .. , circle? every government faces the dilemma of — circle? every government faces the dilemma of how _ circle? every government faces the dilemma of how do _ circle? every government faces the dilemma of how do you _ circle? every government faces the dilemma of how do you limit - circle? every government faces the dilemma of how do you limit the i circle? every government faces the l dilemma of how do you limit the cost of living forfamilies, dilemma of how do you limit the cost of living for families, for voters, let's be blunt, while also trying to tackle climate change? if you were to take a really risk is economic ——
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purest economic view, you would say the most logical thing to do is a carbon tax. there are some carbon taxes on some fuels, but here in the uk, petro and ouzo, those taxes have not risen for years now because it would be so political to do so —— politically difficult. but what happened when emmanuel macron stuck a levy on fuel... the happened when emmanuel macron stuck a levy on fuel- - -— a levy on fuel... the yellow vest rotest. a levy on fuel... the yellow vest protest- it _ a levy on fuel... the yellow vest protest- it is _ a levy on fuel... the yellow vest protest. it is a _ a levy on fuel... the yellow vest protest. it is a bouncing - a levy on fuel... the yellow vest protest. it is a bouncing act. - protest. it is a bouncing act. governments _ protest. it is a bouncing act. governments are _ protest. it is a bouncing act. governments are trying - protest. it is a bouncing act. governments are trying to i protest. it is a bouncing act. i governments are trying to pick protest. it is a bouncing act. - governments are trying to pick their way through. governments are trying to pick their way through-— way through. stefanie, hasn't come much during — way through. stefanie, hasn't come much during the _ way through. stefanie, hasn't come much during the campaign - way through. stefanie, hasn't come much during the campaign in - way through. stefanie, hasn't come - much during the campaign in germany? very much. the question of climate change _ very much. the question of climate change but — very much. the question of climate change but also the question of what busihesses _ change but also the question of what businesses do with it, and this is going to — businesses do with it, and this is going to be — businesses do with it, and this is going to be one of the big challenges after sunday night, when will have _ challenges after sunday night, when will have the results cub and i think— will have the results cub and i think we — will have the results cub and i think we are going to talk about this later— think we are going to talk about this later little bit, but he was gone — this later little bit, but he was gone to— this later little bit, but he was gone to form a coalition. and the junior— gone to form a coalition. and the junior partners in this case are the
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crucial— junior partners in this case are the crucial to— junior partners in this case are the crucial to look at, and on the one hand _ crucial to look at, and on the one hand you — crucial to look at, and on the one hand you have the liberals cub in the german case very pro—business, they are _ the german case very pro—business, they are less— the german case very pro—business, they are less ambitious when it comes— they are less ambitious when it comes to — they are less ambitious when it comes to tackling global warming, and that— comes to tackling global warming, and that on the other side, you have the green _ and that on the other side, you have the green party. we heard before in the green party. we heard before in the bbc_ the green party. we heard before in the bbc report from katya adler about _ the bbc report from katya adler about young people stopped so many young _ about young people stopped so many young people in germany, this is their— young people in germany, this is their top— young people in germany, this is their top priority. they will vote for the greens because they want is to be _ for the greens because they want is to be the _ for the greens because they want is to be the number one challenge to be solved _ to be the number one challenge to be solved for— to be the number one challenge to be solved for the future, but of course german _ solved for the future, but of course german businesses are saying this is very expensive, who is who to pay this? in _ very expensive, who is who to pay this? in the — very expensive, who is who to pay this? in the end the consumer will pay for— this? in the end the consumer will pay for it — this? in the end the consumer will pay for it. and also is in the uk, this is— pay for it. and also is in the uk, this is the — pay for it. and also is in the uk, this is the big question, who is going to — this is the big question, who is going to pay for it? and how can governments be courageous when it comes— governments be courageous when it comes to _ governments be courageous when it comes to cop26? governments be courageous when it comes to com?— comes to cop26? ominous i had of that sum, david. _ comes to cop26? ominous i had of that sum, david. the _ comes to cop26? ominous i had of that sum, david. the pressures - comes to cop26? ominous i had of that sum, david. the pressures are larae. i that sum, david. the pressures are large- l was — that sum, david. the pressures are large. i was talking _ that sum, david. the pressures are large. i was talking to _ that sum, david. the pressures are large. i was talking to somebody i large. i was talking to somebody
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yesterday, all the challenges the british government faces when it comes to cop and the liska slugger and longerfor some the headline is, the science has never been clearer. i have been reporting on this topic for 20 years, and we have switched from the scientist being relatively uncertain about what is going on to now being categorically that if we want to avoid fully dangerous climate impacts, particularly in the bill of the century and further on, we need to be cutting emissions global by half by 2030, so it is very tight timetable, and a few days ago the un toasted up what all the different governments are trying to do on climate and they came up with a projected increase, not a decrease, and carbon emissions by 2030, so that if the strategic landscape that borisjohnson 2030, so that if the strategic landscape that boris johnson faces going into cop26. there many others. can they deliver the promised money to the developing world, which for
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them is absolutely critical for delivering this agenda? and at the moment we are still not at that level. ., , . boris johnson wasn't too busy stateside to find time to tell "some of our dearest friends" — the french — to get over it. the "it" being aukus. that deal, between australia, the uk and the us, gives the goverrnment in canberra access to nuclear—powered submarines. it wrecked a $37 billion contract for france to supply subs to australia, and president macron, for one, was pretty sore about it. latika, this is perceived as being, really, a china —containing agreement between the us and the uk and australia? it was not that long ago china was australia's biggest trading partner, which kinda makes you wonder what exactly australia is getting out of this?— getting out of this? australia and china have _ getting out of this? australia and china have remained, _ getting out of this? australia and china have remained, china - getting out of this? australia and i china have remained, china remains australia's _ china have remained, china remains australia's largest— china have remained, china remains australia's largest trading _ china have remained, china remains australia's largest trading partner i australia's largest trading partner in support— australia's largest trading partner in support of— australia's largest trading partner in support of the _ australia's largest trading partner in support of the anxiety- australia's largest trading partner in support of the anxiety for- australia's largest trading partner| in support of the anxiety for some the australian— in support of the anxiety for some the australian economy _ in support of the anxiety for some the australian economy is -
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in support of the anxiety for some the australian economy is so - in support of the anxiety for some . the australian economy is so heavily reliaht oh— the australian economy is so heavily reliant on china, _ the australian economy is so heavily reliant on china, but _ the australian economy is so heavily reliant on china, but as _ the australian economy is so heavily reliant on china, but as security - reliant on china, but as security is so heavily reliant _ reliant on china, but as security is so heavily reliant on _ reliant on china, but as security is so heavily reliant on the _ reliant on china, but as security is so heavily reliant on the united i so heavily reliant on the united states. — so heavily reliant on the united states. it — so heavily reliant on the united states, it china _ so heavily reliant on the united states, it china strategic- states, it china strategic competitor _ states, it china strategic competitor. australia . states, it china strategicj competitor. australia for states, it china strategic- competitor. australia for the last decade _ competitor. australia for the last decade or— competitor. australia for the last decade or so— competitor. australia for the last decade or so has— competitor. australia for the last decade or so has found - competitor. australia for the last decade or so has found an- competitor. australia for the last- decade or so has found an increasing and confrontational— decade or so has found an increasing and confrontational china _ decade or so has found an increasing and confrontational china and - decade or so has found an increasing and confrontational china and ever. and confrontational china and ever since _ and confrontational china and ever since shirley— and confrontational china and ever since shirley came _ and confrontational china and ever since shirley came out _ and confrontational china and ever since shirley came out and - and confrontational china and ever since shirley came out and asked i and confrontational china and ever. since shirley came out and asked for an inquiry— since shirley came out and asked for an inquiry into — since shirley came out and asked for an inquiry into the _ since shirley came out and asked for an inquiry into the origins _ since shirley came out and asked for an inquiry into the origins of- an inquiry into the origins of coronavirus. _ an inquiry into the origins of coronavirus, china has - an inquiry into the origins of- coronavirus, china has sought to make _ coronavirus, china has sought to make an — coronavirus, china has sought to make an example _ coronavirus, china has sought to make an example of— coronavirus, china has sought to make an example of australia i coronavirus, china has sought to. make an example of australia and punish _ make an example of australia and punish australia _ make an example of australia and punish australia with _ make an example of australia and punish australia with billions - make an example of australia and punish australia with billions of. punish australia with billions of dollars— punish australia with billions of dollars in— punish australia with billions of dollars in trade _ punish australia with billions of dollars in trade tariffs, - punish australia with billions of dollars in trade tariffs, just - dollars in trade tariffs, just unilaterally— dollars in trade tariffs, just unilaterally slept _ dollars in trade tariffs, just unilaterally slept on - dollars in trade tariffs, just unilaterally slept on wine, i dollars in trade tariffs, just - unilaterally slept on wine, barley, coal, _ unilaterally slept on wine, barley, coal. you — unilaterally slept on wine, barley, coal. you name _ unilaterally slept on wine, barley, coal, you name it. _ unilaterally slept on wine, barley, coal, you name it. for— unilaterally slept on wine, barley, coal, you name it. for the - unilaterally slept on wine, barley, i coal, you name it. forthe moment the australian _ coal, you name it. forthe moment the australian economy _ coal, you name it. forthe moment the australian economy is - coal, you name it. forthe moment the australian economy is propped | coal, you name it. forthe moment. the australian economy is propped up by iron— the australian economy is propped up by iron or— the australian economy is propped up by iron or sister — the australian economy is propped up by iron or sister china _ the australian economy is propped up by iron or sister china for— the australian economy is propped up by iron or sister china for some - by iron or sister china for some should — by iron or sister china for some should and _ by iron or sister china for some should and when _ by iron or sister china for some should and when that - by iron or sister china for some should and when that and, - by iron or sister china for some - should and when that and, australia will find _ should and when that and, australia will find themselves— should and when that and, australia will find themselves in _ should and when that and, australia will find themselves in a _ should and when that and, australia will find themselves in a precariousl will find themselves in a precarious place _ will find themselves in a precarious place cautiously. _ will find themselves in a precarious place cautiously-— place cautiously. latika making interesting _ place cautiously. latika making interesting but _ place cautiously. latika making interesting but about _ place cautiously. latika making interesting but about the - place cautiously. latika making interesting but about the will. interesting but about the will economic backdrop to this, david. it is interesting, how the americans have played this. i remember a speech lloyd austin the us defence agreement back injuly in singapore
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where he more or less said to the british, we don't need you with specific, guys, very grateful if you do a bit more in europe. is that basically put in the chinese off descent? it basically put in the chinese off descent? ., , ., descent? it might have been that. it certainly isn't _ descent? it might have been that. it certainly isn't with _ descent? it might have been that. it certainly isn't with the _ descent? it might have been that. it certainly isn't with the british - certainly isn't with the british government wants to hear. the whole global britain agenda post—brexit is precisely about being everywhere, particularly in the fast—growing pacific region, and coincidentally or not, the royal navy's new aircraft carrier hms queen elizabeth is right out in the pacific, it has just been visiting japan, it was in the south china sea rather publicly as a show of presence. talk the south china sea rather publicly as a show of presence.— the south china sea rather publicly as a show of presence. talk about a contested space! _ as a show of presence. talk about a contested space! right. _ as a show of presence. talk about a contested space! right. and - as a show of presence. talk about a contested space! right. and it - as a show of presence. talk about a contested space! right. and it is i contested space! right. and it is certainly the agenda _ contested space! right. and it is certainly the agenda of - contested space! right. and it is certainly the agenda of the - contested space! right. and it is| certainly the agenda of the royal navy to have what they called a blue water ability, the ability to go anywhere in the world, particularly anywhere in the world, particularly a region that is contested,
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strategically significant, where britain itself is perceived of interest, so i don't think the american suggesting britain keeps its nose out is going to go down very well. its nose out is going to go down ve well. . . its nose out is going to go down very well-— its nose out is going to go down ve well. . . . very well. stefanie, the french were certainly put — very well. stefanie, the french were certainly put off— very well. stefanie, the french were certainly put off descent. _ very well. stefanie, the french were certainly put off descent. they - very well. stefanie, the french were certainly put off descent. they say l certainly put off descent. they say only on the date aukus it was announced the message came back from canberra, yeah, we are very happy with progress so far on this deal. how is it going down in the rest of europe? what impact might it have? i europe? what impact might it have? i think europe definitely was a bit of collateral— think europe definitely was a bit of collateral damage, it was interesting to see as far as i know that the _ interesting to see as far as i know that the fact that this was a really secretly negotiated deal, it was not rejected, _ secretly negotiated deal, it was not rejected, that allegation, in sydney. _ rejected, that allegation, in sydney, so the french president obviously. — sydney, so the french president obviously, he is also in a very awkward _ obviously, he is also in a very awkward space because he's facing election next year and the french were _ election next year and the french were also— election next year and the french were also let down by the europeans, because _ were also let down by the europeans, because the _ were also let down by the europeans, because the european commission for a day or— because the european commission for a day or two— because the european commission for a day or two did not say word and then— a day or two did not say word and then finally— a day or two did not say word and then finally ursula von der leyen came out— then finally ursula von der leyen came out and said, also, this is a discipline — came out and said, also, this is a discipline for _ came out and said, also, this is a
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discipline for europe. at the same time _ discipline for europe. at the same time i_ discipline for europe. at the same time i think— discipline for europe. at the same time i think interestingly, it helps france, _ time i think interestingly, it helps france, because we know that emmanuel macron's very ambitious and he has _ emmanuel macron's very ambitious and he has been _ emmanuel macron's very ambitious and he has been pushing the agenda of european _ he has been pushing the agenda of european defence union, however your to call— european defence union, however your to call it. _ european defence union, however your to call it. for— european defence union, however your to call it, for quite some time and he can— to call it, for quite some time and he can now— to call it, for quite some time and he can now even stronger make the argument _ he can now even stronger make the argument that europe needs to step up. that— argument that europe needs to step up, that they need to really strengthen their defence capabilities and co—ordinate more, and this— capabilities and co—ordinate more, and this obvious because very much to the _ and this obvious because very much to the german government as well. we will see _ to the german government as well. we will see what the next government will see what the next government will be _ will see what the next government will be like and whether this will -- where — will be like and whether this will —— where this will lead. while it has been — —— where this will lead. while it has been very painful for france, in a way, the — has been very painful for france, in a way, the government in paris canm — a way, the government in paris can... ., ., . can... latika, the forced multiplication _ can... latika, the forced multiplication argument| can... latika, the forced i multiplication argument is can... latika, the forced - multiplication argument is clearly apparent, allowing the us to get more bang for its buck to share some of the burden around the pacific region. how do australians feel about the prospect of attention he being drawn into conflict, not
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necessarily armed conflict become thick of some kind, by this deal if it is really driven by us strategic objectives towards china? australian attitudes towards china _ objectives towards china? australian attitudes towards china are - objectives towards china? australian attitudes towards china are at - objectives towards china? australian attitudes towards china are at their i attitudes towards china are at their lowest _ attitudes towards china are at their lowest ever. — attitudes towards china are at their lowest ever, and _ attitudes towards china are at their lowest ever, and in— attitudes towards china are at their lowest ever, and in fact _ attitudes towards china are at their lowest ever, and in fact they- attitudes towards china are at their lowest ever, and in fact they view. lowest ever, and in fact they view xi jinping — lowest ever, and in fact they view xi jinping only— lowest ever, and in fact they view xi jinping only more _ lowest ever, and in fact they view xi jinping only more favourably i lowest ever, and in fact they view. xi jinping only more favourably than kim jong-un. — xi jinping only more favourably than kimjong-un. so— xi jinping only more favourably than kim jong—un, so australia _ xi jinping only more favourably than kim jong—un, so australia feels - xi jinping only more favourably than| kim jong—un, so australia feels very much _ kim jong—un, so australia feels very much that— kim jong—un, so australia feels very much that china _ kim jong—un, so australia feels very much that china is _ kim jong—un, so australia feels very much that china is pushing - much that china is pushing australian— much that china is pushing australian to _ much that china is pushing australian to this - much that china is pushing australian to this position, much that china is pushing - australian to this position, where it is needing _ australian to this position, where it is needing to— australian to this position, where it is needing to seek— australian to this position, where it is needing to seek stronger- it is needing to seek stronger security— it is needing to seek stronger security and _ it is needing to seek stronger security and seek _ it is needing to seek stronger security and seek a _ it is needing to seek stronger security and seek a strongeri security and seek a stronger alliance _ security and seek a stronger alliance with _ security and seek a stronger alliance with the _ security and seek a stronger alliance with the united - security and seek a stronger. alliance with the united states security and seek a stronger- alliance with the united states and the united — alliance with the united states and the united kingdom. _ alliance with the united states and the united kingdom. so— alliance with the united states and the united kingdom. so are - alliance with the united states and the united kingdom. so are you i alliance with the united states and| the united kingdom. so are you not think— the united kingdom. so are you not think australia's— the united kingdom. so are you not think australia's necessarily - the united kingdom. so are you not think australia's necessarily think. think australia's necessarily think this is— think australia's necessarily think this is about _ think australia's necessarily think this is about going _ think australia's necessarily think this is about going to _ think australia's necessarily think this is about going to war, - think australia's necessarily think this is about going to war, but. think australia's necessarily thinki this is about going to war, but this is about— this is about going to war, but this is about saying _ this is about going to war, but this is about saying to _ this is about going to war, but this is about saying to china, _ this is about going to war, but this is about saying to china, we - this is about going to war, but this is about saying to china, we can. this is about going to war, but this i is about saying to china, we can and we will— is about saying to china, we can and we will protect — is about saying to china, we can and we will protect ourselves _ is about saying to china, we can and we will protect ourselves and - is about saying to china, we can and we will protect ourselves and we - we will protect ourselves and we are also not _ we will protect ourselves and we are also not going — we will protect ourselves and we are also not going to _ we will protect ourselves and we are also not going to be _ we will protect ourselves and we are also not going to be delayed, - we will protect ourselves and we are also not going to be delayed, and i also not going to be delayed, and that is_ also not going to be delayed, and that is a _ also not going to be delayed, and that is a big, _ also not going to be delayed, and that is a big, big _ also not going to be delayed, and that is a big, big theme, - also not going to be delayed, and that is a big, big theme, it- also not going to be delayed, and that is a big, big theme, it is a i that is a big, big theme, it is a bil that is a big, big theme, it is a big narrative _ that is a big, big theme, it is a big narrative in— that is a big, big theme, it is a big narrative in the _ that is a big, big theme, it is a big narrative in the australianl big narrative in the australian psyche — big narrative in the australian psyche right _ big narrative in the australian psyche right now— big narrative in the australian psyche right now and - big narrative in the australian psyche right now and has- big narrative in the australianl psyche right now and has been big narrative in the australian - psyche right now and has been for the tast— psyche right now and has been for the last few— psyche right now and has been for the last few years. _ psyche right now and has been for the last few years. australia - psyche right now and has been for the last few years. australia has l the last few years. australia has been _ the last few years. australia has been tryihgm _ the last few years. australia has been trying... china, _ the last few years. australia has been trying... china, sorry, - the last few years. australia has been trying... china, sorry, has| been trying... china, sorry, has tteen— been trying... china, sorry, has been trained _ been trying... china, sorry, has been trained to _ been trying... china, sorry, has been trained to retaliate -
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been trying... china, sorry, has| been trained to retaliate against australia, — been trained to retaliate against australia, for— been trained to retaliate against australia, for huawei. _ been trained to retaliate against australia, for huawei. we - been trained to retaliate against australia, for huawei. we are i been trained to retaliate against i australia, for huawei. we are one been trained to retaliate against - australia, for huawei. we are one of the first— australia, for huawei. we are one of the first to _ australia, for huawei. we are one of the first to block _ australia, for huawei. we are one of the first to block huawei _ australia, for huawei. we are one of the first to block huawei from - the first to block huawei from building — the first to block huawei from building our— the first to block huawei from building our national- the first to block huawei from building our national broad i the first to block huawei from | building our national broad run network— building our national broad run network at _ building our national broad run network at 56 _ building our national broad run network at 56 and _ building our national broad run network at 56 and we - building our national broad run network at 56 and we got - building our national broad run i network at 56 and we got america building our national broad run - network at 56 and we got america and the united _ network at 56 and we got america and the united kingdom _ network at 56 and we got america and the united kingdom to _ network at 56 and we got america and the united kingdom to do _ network at 56 and we got america and the united kingdom to do the - network at 56 and we got america and the united kingdom to do the same i the united kingdom to do the same thin- the united kingdom to do the same thing -- _ the united kingdom to do the same thing —— national broadband - the united kingdom to do the same i thing —— national broadband network. china _ thing —— national broadband network. china is— thing —— national broadband network. china is very— thing —— national broadband network. china is very bitter— thing —— national broadband network. china is very bitter towards _ china is very bitter towards australia _ china is very bitter towards australia and _ china is very bitter towards australia and most - china is very bitter towards australia and most view i china is very bitter towards - australia and most view china's behaviour— australia and most view china's behaviour as _ australia and most view china's behaviour as unreasonable - australia and most view china's behaviour as unreasonable and | australia and most view china's - behaviour as unreasonable and that the actions — behaviour as unreasonable and that the actions are _ behaviour as unreasonable and that the actions are justified _ behaviour as unreasonable and that the actions are justified here - the actions are justified here somewhat— the actions are justified here somewhat and... _ the actions are justified here somewhat and... for- the actions are justified here somewhat and... a, , ., , somewhat and... for tensions within the region? — somewhat and... for tensions within the region? this _ somewhat and... for tensions within the region? this is _ somewhat and... for tensions within the region? this is a _ somewhat and... for tensions within the region? this is a really _ the region? this is a really fascinating _ the region? this is a really fascinating relationship - the region? this is a really fascinating relationship to | the region? this is a really - fascinating relationship to watch. new zeatand _ fascinating relationship to watch. new zealand has _ fascinating relationship to watch. new zealand has taken _ fascinating relationship to watch. new zealand has taken a - fascinating relationship to watch. new zealand has taken a very- new zealand has taken a very different— new zealand has taken a very different course _ new zealand has taken a very different course to _ new zealand has taken a very different course to australia i new zealand has taken a very. different course to australia on china — different course to australia on china new— different course to australia on china. new zealand _ different course to australia on china. new zealand is - different course to australia on china. new zealand is part- different course to australia on china. new zealand is part of. different course to australia on . china. new zealand is part of this intelligence sharing... _ china. new zealand is part of this intelligence sharing... the - china. new zealand is part of this intelligence sharing... the threei intelligence sharing... the three countries — intelligence sharing... the three countries that— intelligence sharing... the three countries that contribute - intelligence sharing... the three countries that contribute are - countries that contribute are australia, _ countries that contribute are australia, the _ countries that contribute are australia, the neck- countries that contribute are australia, the neck or- countries that contribute are australia, the neck or what i countries that contribute are - australia, the neck or what you're seeing _ australia, the neck or what you're seeing here, _ australia, the neck or what you're seeing here, canada— australia, the neck or what you're seeing here, canada and - australia, the neck or what you're seeing here, canada and new- australia, the neck or what you're - seeing here, canada and new zealand are largely— seeing here, canada and new zealand are largely considered _ seeing here, canada and new zealand are largely considered the _ are largely considered the freeloaders_ are largely considered the freeloaders of— are largely considered the freeloaders of the - are largely considered the freeloaders of the five - are largely considered the . freeloaders of the five eyes. are largely considered the - freeloaders of the five eyes. what has anger— freeloaders of the five eyes. what has anger australia _ freeloaders of the five eyes. what has anger australia is _ freeloaders of the five eyes. what has anger australia is just - freeloaders of the five eyes. what has anger australia is just an - freeloaders of the five eyes. whati has anger australia is just an order
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and public— has anger australia is just an order and public posture, _ has anger australia is just an order and public posture, where - has anger australia is just an order and public posture, where she - has anger australia is just an order and public posture, where she wasj and public posture, where she was seen _ and public posture, where she was seen to— and public posture, where she was seen to undermine _ and public posture, where she was seen to undermine australia - and public posture, where she was seen to undermine australia when| seen to undermine australia when china _ seen to undermine australia when china was— seen to undermine australia when china was retaliating _ seen to undermine australia when china was retaliating with - seen to undermine australia when china was retaliating with these i china was retaliating with these trade _ china was retaliating with these trade sentients_ china was retaliating with these trade sentients after— china was retaliating with these trade sentients after the - china was retaliating with these trade sentients after the who i trade sentients after the who inquiry— dust up. there is anger towards new zeatand~ _ dust up. there is anger towards new zeatand~ they— dust up. there is anger towards new zealand. they are _ dust up. there is anger towards new zealand. they are seen _ dust up. there is anger towards new zealand. they are seen as _ dust up. there is anger towards new zealand. they are seen as writing. dust up. there is anger towards new zealand. they are seen as writing on australia's _ zealand. they are seen as writing on australia's coat—tails. _ zealand. they are seen as writing on australia's coat—tails. 0n _ zealand. they are seen as writing on australia's coat—tails. 0n the - zealand. they are seen as writing on australia's coat—tails. 0n the other. australia's coat—tails. 0n the other hand. that — australia's coat—tails. 0n the other hand, that relationship _ australia's coat—tails. 0n the other hand, that relationship is - australia's coat—tails. 0n the other hand, that relationship is so - australia's coat—tails. 0n the other hand, that relationship is so close, j hand, that relationship is so close, it is like _ hand, that relationship is so close, it is like family. _ hand, that relationship is so close, it is like family. you _ hand, that relationship is so close, it is like family. you can _ hand, that relationship is so close, it is like family. you can bicker, . it is like family. you can bicker, you can — it is like family. you can bicker, you can have _ it is like family. you can bicker, you can have a _ it is like family. you can bicker, you can have a disagreement. it is like family. you can bicker, i you can have a disagreement for we know australia is a partner with new zealand — we know australia is a partner with new zealand for— we know australia is a partner with new zealand for some _ we know australia is a partner with new zealand for some it _ we know australia is a partner with new zealand for some it is - we know australia is a partner with new zealand for some it is notable new zealand — new zealand for some it is notable new zealand is _ new zealand for some it is notable new zealand is not _ new zealand for some it is notable new zealand is not part— new zealand for some it is notable new zealand is not part of- new zealand for some it is notable new zealand is not part of this - new zealand is not part of this alliance — new zealand is not part of this alliance it _ new zealand is not part of this alliance. it does _ new zealand is not part of this alliance. it does not _ new zealand is not part of this alliance. it does not want - new zealand is not part of this . alliance. it does not want nuclear submarines— alliance. it does not want nuclear submarines in— alliance. it does not want nuclear submarines in its— alliance. it does not want nuclear submarines in its waters. - alliance. it does not want nuclear submarines in its waters. and - alliance. it does not want nuclear submarines in its waters. and it. alliance. it does not want nuclear. submarines in its waters. and it has already— submarines in its waters. and it has already sent — submarines in its waters. and it has already sent to _ submarines in its waters. and it has already sent to australia, _ submarines in its waters. and it has already sent to australia, do - submarines in its waters. and it has already sent to australia, do not - already sent to australia, do not consider— already sent to australia, do not consider parking _ already sent to australia, do not consider parking them _ already sent to australia, do not consider parking them here. - consider parking them here. interesting _ consider parking them here. interesting for— consider parking them here. interesting for subgroup - consider parking them here. - interesting for subgroup thompson, a former pentagon official, was quoted as saying, this created an escalation with china, but the other question is, how might china seek to retaliate if it does
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different levels. -- if it does? this is the _ different levels. -- if it does? this is the kind _ different levels. -- if it does? this is the kind of _ different levels. -- if it does? this is the kind of thing - different levels. -- if it does? this is the kind of thing you i different levels. -- if it does? - this is the kind of thing you might expect. the fascinating thing we have not yet really seen is whether... i've got cut 26, the climate summit come in mind, because china is the world's big cs polluter —— cop 26 the you cannot consider tackling climate change without the involvement of the chinese. one of the successes, wanting to successes in all of the years of climate negotiations, the paris agreement, one reason that worked is because china was voluntarily, eagerly part of it. if you are coming up to the glasgow summit, what is the mood music going to be if this stat with china escalates? historically, the chinese have tended to compartmentalise different aspects of their relations with the outside world, in particular climate, tended
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to be separate from whatever else is going on. we do not know and we will know whether that will continue. watch this space, david. thanks very much. angela merkel may yet leave office as germany's second longest—serving chancellor in the country's isa—year history — outlasting her predecessor, helmut kohl. although sunday's elections should identify her successor, mrs merkel may be around for a few months longer, as acting chancellor, whilst the political parties wrangle over the make—up of a new coalition government. stefanie, is it going to be a case of angela's actions already scattered within a few months to the political history books? or is there a lasting legacy we can point to on german politics and indeed may be on european politics? because there seemed to be some very different views on, really, whether she has had a significant political difference.— had a significant political difference. ~ . . difference. we might have seen the title of the economist _ difference. we might have seen the title of the economist this - difference. we might have seen the title of the economist this week, i title of the economist this week, which _ title of the economist this week, which is —
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title of the economist this week, which is the headline title make the nress— which is the headline title make the mess merkel leaves —— the mess merkel these behind. increasingly people look at her tegacy— increasingly people look at her legacy and they can is not very impressive. she has been managing one crisis— impressive. she has been managing one crisis after the another. first the euro— one crisis after the another. first the euro crisis ten years ago, the refugee crisis in the last one was the pandemic, so therefore i am quite _ the pandemic, so therefore i am quite convinced that 6ermans will ntiss— quite convinced that 6ermans will miss her — quite convinced that 6ermans will miss her. some people in public life say they— miss her. some people in public life say they miss her already stop because, — say they miss her already stop because, this quite silly i think term _ because, this quite silly i think term of— because, this quite silly i think term of the mother to the nation, she gave — term of the mother to the nation, she gave the country stability and she gave the country stability and she was— she gave the country stability and she was always very, very cautious. and she _ she was always very, very cautious. and she never took any risks. personatty— and she never took any risks. personally i am disappointed. 16 years— personally i am disappointed. 16 years as — personally i am disappointed. 16 years as a — personally i am disappointed. 16 years as a long time. and if you took— years as a long time. and if you took at — years as a long time. and if you took at her— years as a long time. and if you look at her record in terms of
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reforms, _ look at her record in terms of reforms, structural reforms, and when _ reforms, structural reforms, and when it— reforms, structural reforms, and when it comes to climate change, i think— when it comes to climate change, i think because she took some snap decisions — think because she took some snap decisions like in 2011 after the disaster, she decided to... there is so much _ disaster, she decided to... there is so much fossil fuel needed and it will take — so much fossil fuel needed and it will take 6ermany so much fossil fuel needed and it will take germany a long time to leave _ will take germany a long time to leave the — will take germany a long time to leave the coal burning sector, and also when — leave the coal burning sector, and also when it comes to other things like pension reforms or the labour market— like pension reforms or the labour market reforms like your predecessor, he did these reforms — she never— predecessor, he did these reforms — she never did those. saying, i bet you 6ermans will miss her, and also if we _ you 6ermans will miss her, and also if we have _ you 6ermans will miss her, and also if we have a — you 6ermans will miss her, and also if we have a messy outcome of the election— if we have a messy outcome of the election on sunday night, if she stays— election on sunday night, if she stays untit— election on sunday night, if she stays until the 17th of december, she witt— stays until the 17th of december, she will be longer in office than helmet— coal —— helmut kohl. i am sure she will enjoy— coal —— helmut kohl. i am sure she will enjoy that. coal -- helmut kohl. i am sure she will enjoy that-—
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will enjoy that. she has not confronted _ will enjoy that. she has not confronted any _ will enjoy that. she has not confronted any sacred - will enjoy that. she has not i confronted any sacred german will enjoy that. she has not - confronted any sacred german issues and things that perhaps needed to be changed, but how big a globalfigure has she become, if at all? one wonders these days how much europe or indeed the uk included matter in the pacific region? in or indeed the uk included matter in the pacific region?— the pacific region? in terms of a german - _ the pacific region? in terms of a german - australia _ the pacific region? in terms of a | german - australia relationship, the pacific region? in terms of a - german - australia relationship, not 6erman — australia relationship, not so much, _ 6erman — australia relationship, not so much, and — 6erman — australia relationship, not so much, and in— 6erman — australia relationship, not so much, and in fact— 6erman — australia relationship, not so much, and in fact in— 6erman — australia relationship, not so much, and in fact in the - 6erman — australia relationship, not so much, and in fact in the recent i so much, and in fact in the recent years— so much, and in fact in the recent years there — so much, and in fact in the recent years there has _ so much, and in fact in the recent years there has been _ so much, and in fact in the recent years there has been criticism i so much, and in fact in the recent i years there has been criticism about perceived _ years there has been criticism about perceived softness _ years there has been criticism about perceived softness towards - years there has been criticism about perceived softness towards china i perceived softness towards china that has — perceived softness towards china that has been— perceived softness towards china that has been 6erman _ perceived softness towards china that has been 6erman lead - perceived softness towards china that has been 6erman lead in i perceived softness towards china i that has been 6erman lead in german driven— that has been 6erman lead in german driven and _ that has been 6erman lead in german driven and i_ that has been 6erman lead in german driven and i stopped _ that has been 6erman lead in german driven and i stopped at— that has been 6erman lead in german driven and i stopped at the _ that has been 6erman lead in german driven and i stopped at the you - driven and i stopped at the you taking — driven and i stopped at the you taking the _ driven and i stopped at the you taking the stronger— driven and i stopped at the you taking the stronger stance i driven and i stopped at the you i taking the stronger stance towards china _ taking the stronger stance towards china that — taking the stronger stance towards china that has— taking the stronger stance towards china. that has gradually- taking the stronger stance towardsj china. that has gradually changed. taking the stronger stance towards. china. that has gradually changed. i think. _ china. that has gradually changed. i think. though. — china. that has gradually changed. i think, though, she— china. that has gradually changed. i think, though, she is— china. that has gradually changed. i think, though, she is a— china. that has gradually changed. i think, though, she is a titan- china. that has gradually changed. i think, though, she is a titan of- think, though, she is a titan of world — think, though, she is a titan of world politics _ think, though, she is a titan of world politics and _ think, though, she is a titan of world politics and she - think, though, she is a titan of world politics and she will- think, though, she is a titan of world politics and she will be l world politics and she will be dearly. — world politics and she will be dearly. dearly— world politics and she will be dearly, dearly missed - world politics and she will be dearly, dearly missed on- world politics and she will be dearly, dearly missed on thej world politics and she will be - dearly, dearly missed on the world stage. _ dearly, dearly missed on the world stage. not— dearly, dearly missed on the world stage. not least— dearly, dearly missed on the world stage, not least for— dearly, dearly missed on the world stage, not least for her— dearly, dearly missed on the world stage, not least for her calming i stage, not least for her calming effects — stage, not least for her calming effects on— stage, not least for her calming effects on negotiations - stage, not least for her calming effects on negotiations when i stage, not least for her calming i effects on negotiations when things have become — effects on negotiations when things have become prickly. _ effects on negotiations when things have become prickly. she... - effects on negotiations when things have become prickly. she... she i effects on negotiations when things have become prickly. she... she is| have become prickly. she... she is so unfussy, — have become prickly. she... she is so unfussy, she _ have become prickly. she... she is so unfussy, she is _ have become prickly. she... she is so unfussy, she is so _ have become prickly. she... she is so unfussy, she is so down - have become prickly. she... she is so unfussy, she is so down to i so unfussy, she is so down to earth, she has a _ so unfussy, she is so down to earth, she has a great sense _ so unfussy, she is so down to earth, she has a great sense of humour- so unfussy, she is so down to earth, | she has a great sense of humour she brings to _ she has a great sense of humour she brings to these things. _ she has a great sense of humour she brings to these things. from - brings to these things. from australia's _ brings to these things. from australia's point _ brings to these things. from
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australia's point of - brings to these things. from australia's point of view, i brings to these things. fromi australia's point of view, they brings to these things. from i australia's point of view, they will greatly— australia's point of view, they will greatly miss — australia's point of view, they will greatly miss her— australia's point of view, they will greatly miss her connection, i australia's point of view, they will greatly miss her connection, heri greatly miss her connection, her ability— greatly miss her connection, her ability to— greatly miss her connection, her ability to come _ greatly miss her connection, her ability to come russian - greatly miss her connection, heri ability to come russian president vladimir— ability to come russian president vladimir putin. _ ability to come russian president vladimir putin. that— ability to come russian president vladimir putin. that is— ability to come russian president vladimir putin. that is in- ability to come russian president vladimir putin. that is in the i —— a really good we cannot manage without _ —— a really good we cannot manage without her — —— a really good we cannot manage without her. she _ —— a really good we cannot manage without her. she is— —— a really good we cannot manage without her. she is wellington i without her. she is wellington australia _ without her. she is wellington australia. fourth _ without her. she is wellington australia. fourth most - without her. she is wellington australia. fourth most liked . without her. she is wellington i australia. fourth most liked foreign politician, _ australia. fourth most liked foreign politician, number— australia. fourth most liked foreign politician, number one _ australia. fourth most liked foreign politician, number one is— australia. fourth most liked foreign politician, number one isjust- australia. fourth most liked foreign politician, number one isjust to- politician, number one isjust to order _ politician, number one isjust to order her— politician, number one isjust to order. her country— politician, number one isjust to order. her country moment i politician, number one isjust to order. her country moment was excepting — order. her country moment was excepting so — order. her country moment was excepting so many _ order. her country moment was excepting so many syrian - order. her country moment was - excepting so many syrian refugees. -- is _ excepting so many syrian refugees. -- isjacinda— excepting so many syrian refugees. —— isjacinda ardern. _ excepting so many syrian refugees. —— isjacinda ardern. i— excepting so many syrian refugees. —— isjacinda ardern. i see - 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climate question. interestingly, i think internationally _ climate question. interestingly, i think internationally she - climate question. interestingly, i think internationally she will - climate question. interestingly, i think internationally she will be l think internationally she will be credited with the calming effect we have just been hearing about, and there were two moments in particular, the four years of donald trump. he pulled america out of the paris agreement and angela merkel was among those who provided a setting hand to keep the process on the road, and then thinking further back, the disasters summit in copenhagen, it fellapart back, the disasters summit in copenhagen, it fell apart without agreements, again, iwas copenhagen, it fell apart without agreements, again, i was there, copenhagen, it fell apart without agreements, again, iwas there, and we were all aware of her steadying influence. but domestically, and more mixed record, we have heard about the continued burning of fossil fuels. about the continued burning of fossilfuels. i've been to one about the continued burning of fossil fuels. i've been to one of these unbelievably big open coal mines in germany. machines on a staggering scale, gouging of the dirtiest of the fossil fuels. germany is still very, very dependent on that as a source of power, and if that is one of the legacies, that will look a little bit negative in the coming years, i think. ,, . , . ,
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think. stefanie, 'ust a brief thou~ht think. stefanie, 'ust a brief thought in _ think. stefanie, just a brief thought in terms _ think. stefanie, just a brief thought in terms of- think. stefanie, just a brief thought in terms of what . think. stefanie, just a brief. thought in terms of what may think. stefanie, just a brief- thought in terms of what may come afterwards, when she eventually leaves office. if the social democrats are top of the pole, is that because they are prickly successful or does it tell us something more broadly by german politics? it something more broadly by german olitics? , ., , something more broadly by german olitics? , . , ., something more broadly by german olitics? , ., . politics? it is a bit of a surprising _ politics? it is a bit of a l surprising development politics? it is a bit of a - surprising development in the campaign. the spd, like other social democratic— parties in europe, have been struggling for some nobody expected them to— struggling for some nobody expected them to pull so well. currently they are leading. it is a much tighter margin, — are leading. it is a much tighter margin, this is because of the... it is because — margin, this is because of the... it is because the finance minister, the candidate, — is because the finance minister, the candidate, he present himself... stefanie. — candidate, he present himself... stefanie, we are going to leave it there. two stefanie and latika and david, thank you very much. goodbye.
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hello again. i think there's going to be a lot of cloud across western areas of the uk over the next few days, but even if it stays cloudy where you are, either way it is going to be very, very mild, with the winds coming a long way from the south—west, dragging in sub—tropical air. where the sunshine comes out it really will feel pretty warm for late september. temperatures this weekend pushing widely into the 20s, where we do see some sunshine. lossiemouth is in northern scotland, and here temperatures will be around 6 celsius, above the seasonal average. mind you, today is pretty mild as well. again we have got extensive cloud across western areas, a bit of rain for west scotland, a few patches of drizzle for north—west england and across wales, but the best of the sunshine today southern and eastern england, eastern and north—eastern areas
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of scotland and where the sunshine comes out again those temperatures will be pushing well on into the 20s. overnight tonight i think we have got rather murky conditions to come across western england, wales and southern england too, with fog patches developing around the coasts and hills. we have got some rain pushing into western scotland, probably light and patchy. northern ireland just stays cloudy. it will be mild wherever you are. into the weekend's forecast, then, some damp weather, probably quite persistent light rain here for much of the day, but otherwise a lot of dry weather, just a few showers popping up across western areas, the best of the sunshine for north—east wales, across the midlands, eastern england and into eastern and north—eastern areas of scotland. again those temperatures will be well up above average for the time of year, well into the 20s. looking at the charts into sunday, we have got this cold front that is approaching from the west. otherwise it is a largely dry picture on sunday with spells of sunshine developing and probably a bit more in the way of sunshine, given that the winds will be blowing a bit more strongly.
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there could be a few isolated showers across western areas, but otherwise fine. best of the sunshine again northern and north—eastern scotland, into parts of eastern england, through the midlands and probably eastern wales as well, but for northern ireland a change. it will see rain moving in through sunday afternoon. that rain will be accompanied by some squally winds. in fact, this band of rain is a cold front. it pushes eastwards, clearing across the uk through sunday night into the first part of monday, and what follows is a much cooler and fresher north—westerly wind, so temperatures will be dropping back down to average, maybe even a touch below, and it looks like it will be a quite unsettled spell of weather with a mixture of sunshine and fairly blustery showers for many. that's your weather.
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this is bbc news with the headlines: reports the us has reached a deal to drop charges two men arrested on suspicion of murder have been released pending further investigation. detectives are main key to trace this man who images are recaptured on cctv. ministers were urged to ease these restrictions for foreign workers to try to plug this shortage of drivers and motorists being urged to buy petrol normally. if people adhered to their normal buying patterns and is more than enough as a whole to deal with that. there is no need for people to rush out to lock their cars we feel. three school age
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