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hello, i'm christian fraser. you're watching the context on bbc news. efforts to evacuate mariupol stall — but so does the russian advance in the east, as ukraine continues to inflict damage with new military equipment from the west. the eu says it's ready to fast—track an embargo on russian oil, but there remain obstacles in the way. germany says it can end its reliance on russian oil before its self—imposed deadline at the end of the year, but hungary is holding out. the online hacktivists who are plaguing the kremlin — the russian cyberspace not as tightly defended as mr putin might have hoped. and later in the programme we'll be talking to bill browder about his new book and the ongoing fight to restrict russian money and the influence it buys.
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tonight with the context, the former labour adviser, comedian and journalist ayesha hazarika, and the republican political analyst and former spokesperson for the republican national committee, doug heye. hello, and a warm welcome to the programme. whatever vladimir putin has planned for the annual victory day parade in moscow next week, it's not going to be the national celebration he might have envisaged back in february. but the belief is president putin will try to claim some phyrric victory in the donbas region, which could mean the russians unleash something altogether more brutal in the coming week. nonetheless, the ukrainians continue to put up some dogged resistance, and have some remarkable success in recent days picking off the russians with kit that's been supplied by the west. in the last 2a hour the ukrainian military released this footage, which appears to show a drone taking out two russian patrol
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boats in the black sea off the port of odesa. they're also claimed to have hit a russian command centre in the eastern city of izyum on saturday evening, which killed a top general and senior officers and is said to have narrowly missed the chief of the general staff. it's remarkable to think the ukrainians now have a defence budget something like that of israel. today the pentagon confirmed it is sending "phoenix ghost" drones — a weapon never seen before on the battlefield. so little known about it, but the us military says it was developed for exactly this type of battle in the open fields of the donbas where suicide drones can pick out and destroy russian artillery. on the ground the fighting seems to be most intense around slovyansk, and the nearby town of lysychansk, which we are told is encircled on three sides by the russian troops. most of the civilians have left, those that remained are surviving
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in desperate conditions. our correspondent andrew harding sent us this report. might make the russians are getting closer. messer was landing to our left and i right as we take the last road —— the russians are getting closer. undersiege. road —— the russians are getting closer. under siege. what does this taione�*s tom ince tale is about the wider war in eastern ukraine? there are signs russian troops are being more methodical and therefore perhaps more effective in their offensive in this region, pushing slowly forwards against this town and a dozen others in the donbas region, but there is still no sign that the kremlin�*s forces are about to deliver some kind of knockout blow. studio: well, let's pick that up. sir lawrence freedman is emeritus professor of war studies at king's college london —thank you forjoining us sir lawrence conflicting reports about whether the russians are making ground, some that they are making up ground around slovyansk, others that it is around slovyansk, others that it is a stalemate. what you make of this? they are making some progress but
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not very much. the pentagon described their progress as anaemic and tepid to date which seems right. they have used an awful lot of artillery, have bombarded ukrainian lines, a place where they are quite vulnerable. occasionally they take villagers but often the ukrainians then take them back so they have made some progress but really not enoughin made some progress but really not enough in this part of ukraine to make a difference and there is nothing very much going on for them and the ukrainians are making a little progress them themselves. so not a stalemate because it is a dynamic situation. but certainly not going the way the russians would hope. going the way the russians would ho e, ., ., , going the way the russians would hoe. ., ., ,., ., ., going the way the russians would hoe. ., ., n, ., ., . , hope. enormous amount of weapons en route, if hope. enormous amount of weapons en route. if indeed — hope. enormous amount of weapons en route, if indeed the _ hope. enormous amount of weapons en route, if indeed the west _ hope. enormous amount of weapons en route, if indeed the west can _ hope. enormous amount of weapons en route, if indeed the west can get - hope. enormous amount of weapons en route, if indeed the west can get it - route, if indeed the west can get it to the places that it is needed. do you see this as a holding operation at the moment for the ukrainians? and is that the strategy, and until that point that they can get these weapons to start moving into an
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offensive operation?— weapons to start moving into an offensive operation? yes. i mean, i think the offensive operation? yes. i mean, i thinkthey were _ offensive operation? yes. i mean, i think they were always _ offensive operation? yes. i mean, i think they were always going - offensive operation? yes. i mean, i think they were always going to - offensive operation? yes. i mean, i l think they were always going to have to absorb and rebut as well as they could the russian offensive. this is really the last big push for the kremlin and if it fails they are in trouble so i think the way the ukrainians would envisage it is they are holding off as best they can until they can get into a position to mount a counteroffensive of their own. the critical thing in all of this, in addition to the things you mentioned earlier in your programme, artillery. this is an artillery battle now, and the ukrainians are getting some really long—range, effective and accurate artillery, which i think will be a game changer and make it much harderfor the russians, which is why i think there is something of a real urgency in the russian effort, which is not actually being met by results. like
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mine by all accounts president putin is overseeing the day—to—day operations now and has delegated the running of the country to the prime minister —— and by all accounts. i think then was the defence secretary was speaking about this, that he might make an announcement next week on victory day about national mobilisation. what difference would that make? ~ ., ~ , that make? well, it makes potentially _ that make? well, it makes potentially quite _ that make? well, it makes potentially quite a - that make? well, it makes potentially quite a bit - that make? well, it makes potentially quite a bit of i potentially quite a bit of difference over the longer term because it would mean you could draw in conscripts, reservists, and put the whole national effort into it. but it doesn't help you very much in the short—term because these people need to be trained, and if you don't have the equipment they use then actually it is a pretty daunting prospect. the russians are starting to play down the 9th of may. it looked like it was going to be very important, but i think they may content themselves with a parade. they haven't really got much to show for all of their effort so far, not even really marry paul, and haven't made a big enough breakthrough, will
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be hoping they won't —— not even really marry a pole. there may be a national mobilisation, the rhetoric is all there, describing as war with nato and existential, but in practice they just don't nato and existential, but in practice theyjust don't have the resources and the personnel and equipment to match all of that. in terms of the military capability the ukrainians have, we have seen this attack on russian ships in the black sea off the of odesa, some fairly daring attacks on the russian side. what does that do in terms of the psyche, if the ukrainians can stretch beyond russian lines towards the logistics. stretch beyond russian lines towards the lo . istics. , stretch beyond russian lines towards the logistics-— the logistics. they have had pretty hiuh the logistics. they have had pretty high morale _ the logistics. they have had pretty high morale from _ the logistics. they have had pretty high morale from the _ the logistics. they have had pretty high morale from the start, - the logistics. they have had pretty high morale from the start, the i high morale from the start, the ukrainians, because they are motivated, they know what they are fighting for and so far they have had reasonable success. we have to be careful because as it happens we
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know a lot more about russian losses than we do about ukrainian losses. they have taken a lot of pain, but they have now shown they are pretty accomplished strategists and technicians and operationally they have been much more effective than the russians and they can keep on pushing. i think when they moved to a big counteroffensive it becomes a different sort of battle because the army becomes more important. they put themselves more in the open, so i think they are going to be cautious and want to be absolutely ready before they do that which is why this current period is about attrition and interfering with supplies as much as grabbing territory. supplies as much as grabbing territo . . ,. . supplies as much as grabbing territo . ., ,. ., ., territory. fascinating. professor sir lawrence — territory. fascinating. professor sir lawrence freedman, - territory. fascinating. professor sir lawrence freedman, thank. territory. fascinating. professor. sir lawrence freedman, thank you very much for that. doug, let me put you that the visit we had this weekend, nancy pelosi taking a democrat delegation to moscow, there was some criticism actually in
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republican circles about whether this should have been a bipartisan trip. let me show you the tweet we have had from one of the republican representatives. this is it, the representatives. this is it, the representative peter meijer... he says it would have shown the world the breadth of congressional support for ukraine stop do you agree with that, do you think it should have been bipartisan? yes. agree with that, do you think it should have been bipartisan? yes, it should have been bipartisan? yes, it should have — should have been bipartisan? yes, it should have it. _ should have been bipartisan? yes, it should have it. i'm _ should have been bipartisan? yes, it should have it. i'm glad _ should have been bipartisan? yes, it should have it. i'm glad she - should have been bipartisan? yes, it should have it. i'm glad she went - should have it. i'm glad she went and it_ should have it. i'm glad she went and it is— should have it. i'm glad she went and it is good we have american representation on the ground and hooefully— representation on the ground and hopefully we will see president biden— hopefully we will see president biden make a visit in coming weeks but it— biden make a visit in coming weeks but it is_ biden make a visit in coming weeks but it is really hard to do bipartisan things in congress, as we know, _ bipartisan things in congress, as we know. but_ bipartisan things in congress, as we know, but one way to do that and really _ know, but one way to do that and really build — know, but one way to do that and really build some bridges is in travel, — really build some bridges is in travel, and the russian delegation trip, i— travel, and the russian delegation trip, i think nancy pelosi would have _ trip, i think nancy pelosi would have done _ trip, i think nancy pelosi would have done themselves a favour and presented — have done themselves a favour and presented a unified front if there had been — presented a unified front if there had been a republican or two, the
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ranking _ had been a republican or two, the ranking members of the committees of her committee chairs, to send that message _ her committee chairs, to send that message to — her committee chairs, to send that message to ukraine, the world and frankly— message to ukraine, the world and frankly to _ message to ukraine, the world and frankly to the american people as well who— frankly to the american people as well who need to see displays of bipartisanship._ well who need to see displays of bi artisanshi -. , ., , ,., bipartisanship. they have been some in the republican _ bipartisanship. they have been some in the republican party _ bipartisanship. they have been some in the republican party who - bipartisanship. they have been some in the republican party who question| in the republican party who question the level of support usa is giving to ukraine. is that perhaps the reason she went alone? mr; to ukraine. is that perhaps the reason she went alone? my guess is that republicans _ reason she went alone? my guess is that republicans were... _ reason she went alone? my guess is| that republicans were... washington is very— that republicans were... washington is very polarised, divided, republicans don't like democrat and vice verse _ republicans don't like democrat and vice verse and that was true before january, _ vice verse and that was true before january, and is certainly more true now _ january, and is certainly more true now peter— january, and is certainly more true now. peter meijer has been very vocally— now. peter meijer has been very vocally critical of donald trump and he would _ vocally critical of donald trump and he would be one of those members you would _ he would be one of those members you would think_ he would be one of those members you would think would be on that shortlist— would think would be on that shortlist to be invited but certainly the ranking members of the committees, of the chairs that went, that would _ committees, of the chairs that went, that would be a good place for her to have _ that would be a good place for her to have started. but again i am glad she went, _ to have started. but again i am glad she went, it— to have started. but again i am glad she went, it was a good sign to go, 'ust she went, it was a good sign to go, just wish— she went, it was a good sign to go, just wish it — she went, it was a good sign to go, just wish it had been bipartisan. ayesha, — just wish it had been bipartisan. ayesha, some quite extraordinary comments from sergei lavrov over recent weeks but the latest is
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astonishing. he was challenged on italian television over his claim that russia is de—nazifying ukraine, and the pointing out that president zelensky isjewish... you and the pointing out that president zelensky is jewish. . ._ and the pointing out that president zelensky is jewish. .. you make the argument. — zelensky is jewish. .. you make the argument. what — zelensky is jewish. .. you make the argument, what kind _ zelensky is jewish. .. you make the argument, what kind of— argument, what kind of de—nazification - argument, what kind of de—nazification can- argument, what kind of de—nazification can you argument, what kind of- de—nazification can you have if zelensky— de—nazification can you have if zelensky is— de—nazification can you have if zelensky isjewish? _ de—nazification can you have if zelensky isjewish? i- de—nazification can you have if zelensky isjewish? i may- de—nazification can you have if zelensky isjewish? i may be l de—nazification can you have if- zelensky isjewish? i may be wrong but i zelensky isjewish? i may be wrong but i think— zelensky isjewish? i may be wrong but i think hitler— zelensky isjewish? i may be wrong but i think hitler had _ zelensky isjewish? i may be wrong but i think hitler had jewish - zelensky isjewish? i may be wrong but i think hitler had jewish blood. | but i think hitler had jewish blood. they mostly— but i think hitler had jewish blood. they mostly say _ but i think hitler had jewish blood. they mostly say the _ but i think hitler had jewish blood. they mostly say the most - but i think hitler had jewish blood. they mostly say the most ardent l they mostly say the most ardent anti-semites _ they mostly say the most ardent anti—semites are— they mostly say the most ardent anti—semites are dues. - they mostly say the most ardent anti—semites are dues. ji- they mostly say the most ardent anti-semites are dues.— anti-semites are dues. a furious resonse anti-semites are dues. a furious resoonse from — anti-semites are dues. a furious response from israel _ anti-semites are dues. a furious response from israel and - anti-semites are dues. a furious response from israel and this - anti-semites are dues. a furious response from israel and this is l anti-semites are dues. a furious i response from israel and this is the statement from the israeli foreign mr —— carnloughs. this is his quote, from the israeli foreign minister... this could be interesting, ayesha, because israel is very much sat on
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the fence in recent weeks. indeed, israel has indeed _ the fence in recent weeks. indeed, israel has indeed come _ the fence in recent weeks. indeed, israel has indeed come under i the fence in recent weeks. indeed, | israel has indeed come under some international criticism for very much being one of the last big countries to sort of hedge their bets with both sides. israel has been very careful to take a nuanced tone with russia, so you can understand how aghast there. but the comments were absolutely jaw—dropping, deeply anti—semitic, historically inaccurate and utterly inflammatory comments. the idea that somehow the jewish people inflammatory comments. the idea that somehow thejewish people did this to themselves, it'sjust somehow thejewish people did this to themselves, it's just beyond the pale. but to me i think this signifies a panic amongst the russians, that they would stoop to this level of absolute sort of insane disinformation. i think that is a sign that they are rattled. find is a sign that they are rattled. and this of course, _ is a sign that they are rattled. and this of course, ayesha, after hitting the holocaust memorial in
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kyiv. hitting the holocaust memorial in k iv. , , hitting the holocaust memorial in kiv. , , hitting the holocaust memorial in kiv. , kyiv. just absolutely sickening. i think one of _ kyiv. just absolutely sickening. i think one of the _ kyiv. just absolutely sickening. i think one of the things - kyiv. just absolutely sickening. i think one of the things we i kyiv. just absolutely sickening. i think one of the things we are i kyiv. just absolutely sickening. i | think one of the things we are all finding so difficult to process is just the brutality and ugliness and the feral nature of this war. interviewed on my radio show yesterday a woman from a charity who was sending over contraception to ukraine because rates of rape being used against ukrainian women is so high that they are running out of contraception. when you hear stories like that, when you hear the words of the foreign minister, when you hear about holocaust memorials being attacked, this war is just sickening beyond comprehension. like my goodness me, indeed so. the german position on goodness me, indeed so. the german ositio ., , , ., ., , goodness me, indeed so. the german ositio ., ,, ., ., , ., position on russian oil is evolving -- es, position on russian oil is evolving -- yes. goodness _ position on russian oil is evolving -- yes, goodness me, _ position on russian oil is evolving -- yes, goodness me, did - position on russian oil is evolving -- yes, goodness me, did so. i chancellor scholz says he is ready to speed up a phased—in embargo of russian oil. that said the eu energy ministers that attended an emergency meeting in brussels today said they are still some
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way off a consensus. new sanctions are expected later in the week but the hungarians are holding out and could yet block an agreeement. germany which sources around 12% of its oil from russia says it can find alternative supplies if they are given a few months to prepare. let's bring in deutsche welle's senior european editor, barbara wesel. nice to see you again. can you just explain what germany has in mind? there are a couple of all processing plants in the east, i know, that get russian oil from a plants in the east, i know, that get russian oilfrom a pipeline. how would they get alternative sources into the country? i would they get alternative sources into the country?— would they get alternative sources into the country? i mean, they would aet well into the country? i mean, they would get well from — into the country? i mean, they would get well from the _ into the country? i mean, they would get well from the harbour _ into the country? i mean, they would get well from the harbour of - into the country? i mean, they would get well from the harbour of rostock| get well from the harbour of rostock which _ get well from the harbour of rostock which is _ get well from the harbour of rostock which is not — get well from the harbour of rostock which is not that _ get well from the harbour of rostock which is not that far _ get well from the harbour of rostock which is not that far away, _ get well from the harbour of rostock which is not that far away, and - get well from the harbour of rostock which is not that far away, and it- which is not that far away, and it is supposed _ which is not that far away, and it is supposed to _ which is not that far away, and it is supposed to come _ which is not that far away, and it is supposed to come then - which is not that far away, and it is supposed to come then via i is supposed to come then via pipeline _ is supposed to come then via pipeline down— is supposed to come then via pipeline down to _ is supposed to come then via pipeline down to the - is supposed to come then via pipeline down to the old i is supposed to come then via i pipeline down to the old eastern german— pipeline down to the old eastern german processing _ pipeline down to the old eastern german processing plant- pipeline down to the old eastern german processing plant which i pipeline down to the old eastern i german processing plant which was then modernised, _ german processing plant which was then modernised, of— german processing plant which was then modernised, of course, - german processing plant which was then modernised, of course, after. then modernised, of course, after unification — then modernised, of course, after unification. now, _ then modernised, of course, after unification. now, that— then modernised, of course, after unification. now, that is— then modernised, of course, after unification. now, that is doable. i unification. now, that is doable. the pipeline _ unification. now, that is doable. the pipeline doesn't— unification. now, that is doable. the pipeline doesn't exist - unification. now, that is doable. the pipeline doesn't exist at i unification. now, that is doable. the pipeline doesn't exist at the j the pipeline doesn't exist at the moment— the pipeline doesn't exist at the moment but— the pipeline doesn't exist at the moment but it _ the pipeline doesn't exist at the moment but it would _ the pipeline doesn't exist at the moment but it would be - the pipeline doesn't exist at the moment but it would be built. the pipeline doesn't exist at the i moment but it would be built fairly quickly, _ moment but it would be built fairly quickly, plus— moment but it would be built fairly quickly. plus if— moment but it would be built fairly quickly. plus if you _ moment but it would be built fairly quickly, plus if you look— moment but it would be built fairly quickly, plus if you look at - moment but it would be built fairly quickly, plus if you look at the i quickly, plus if you look at the figures — quickly, plus if you look at the figures germany— quickly, plus if you look at the figures germany has - quickly, plus if you look at the
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figures germany has reduced. quickly, plus if you look at the i figures germany has reduced its quickly, plus if you look at the - figures germany has reduced its use of russian _ figures germany has reduced its use of russian oil — figures germany has reduced its use of russian oil from _ figures germany has reduced its use of russian oil from 35% _ figures germany has reduced its use of russian oil from 35% to _ figures germany has reduced its use of russian oil from 35% to 12% - of russian oil from 35% to 12% within— of russian oil from 35% to 12% within the _ of russian oil from 35% to 12% within the last _ of russian oil from 35% to 12% within the last two _ of russian oil from 35% to 12% within the last two months, i of russian oil from 35% to 12% i within the last two months, which of russian oil from 35% to 12% - within the last two months, which is quite _ within the last two months, which is quite significant _ within the last two months, which is quite significant. so— within the last two months, which is quite significant. so the _ within the last two months, which is quite significant. so the last - within the last two months, which is quite significant. so the last 12%, i quite significant. so the last 12%, they should — quite significant. so the last 12%, they should basically _ quite significant. so the last 12%, they should basically be - quite significant. so the last 12%, they should basically be able i quite significant. so the last 12%, they should basically be able to l quite significant. so the last 12%, i they should basically be able to do that, _ they should basically be able to do that, even— they should basically be able to do that, even if— they should basically be able to do that, even if they _ they should basically be able to do that, even if they don't _ they should basically be able to do that, even if they don't be - they should basically be able to do that, even if they don't be able i they should basically be able to do that, even if they don't be able toi that, even if they don't be able to build _ that, even if they don't be able to build this— that, even if they don't be able to build this pipeline _ that, even if they don't be able to build this pipeline to— that, even if they don't be able to build this pipeline to the - that, even if they don't be able to build this pipeline to the harbourl build this pipeline to the harbour quickly— build this pipeline to the harbour quickly enough _ build this pipeline to the harbour quickly enough. well— build this pipeline to the harbour quickly enough. well they - build this pipeline to the harbour quickly enough. well they might| build this pipeline to the harbour. quickly enough. well they might be opinion— quickly enough. well they might be opinion within — quickly enough. well they might be opinion within the _ quickly enough. well they might be opinion within the government i quickly enough. well they might be opinion within the government is i opinion within the government is evolving — opinion within the government is evolving the _ opinion within the government is evolving. the problem _ opinion within the government is evolving. the problem with i opinion within the government is evolving. the problem with thatl evolving. the problem with that evolving — evolving. the problem with that evolving opinion _ evolving. the problem with that evolving opinion is _ evolving. the problem with that evolving opinion is honestly- evolving. the problem with that| evolving opinion is honestly how evolving. the problem with that i evolving opinion is honestly how the public— evolving opinion is honestly how the public perceives _ evolving opinion is honestly how the public perceives that, _ evolving opinion is honestly how the public perceives that, and _ evolving opinion is honestly how the public perceives that, and that - evolving opinion is honestly how the public perceives that, and that has i public perceives that, and that has really _ public perceives that, and that has really created _ public perceives that, and that has really created a _ public perceives that, and that has really created a tremendous - public perceives that, and that has i really created a tremendous amount of anger— really created a tremendous amount of anger and — really created a tremendous amount of anger and fury— really created a tremendous amount of anger and fury and _ really created a tremendous amount of anger and fury and partisanship, i of anger and fury and partisanship, and a— of anger and fury and partisanship, and a lot— of anger and fury and partisanship, and a lot of— of anger and fury and partisanship, and a lot of emotion _ of anger and fury and partisanship, and a lot of emotion in _ of anger and fury and partisanship, and a lot of emotion in germany. of anger and fury and partisanship, i and a lot of emotion in germany and of course _ and a lot of emotion in germany and of course beyond. _ and a lot of emotion in germany and of course beyond.— of course beyond. yeah. cutting off the oil is one _ of course beyond. yeah. cutting off the oil is one thing. _ of course beyond. yeah. cutting off the oil is one thing. can _ of course beyond. yeah. cutting off the oil is one thing. can be - of course beyond. yeah. cutting off the oil is one thing. can be sourced anywhere, let's be honest. it moves in tankers. it is really the gas thatis in tankers. it is really the gas that is the problem. this is the money that the european union has sent to russia since the start of this war, $47 billion. we are bankrolling this war. do you think there is any chance of an agreement by the end of this week at least on
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oil and possibly on gas? germany is not the one holding up the oil— germany is not the one holding up the oil boycott~ _ germany is not the one holding up the oil boycott. that _ germany is not the one holding up the oil boycott. that is _ germany is not the one holding up the oil boycott. that is completelyj the oil boycott. that is completely clean _ the oil boycott. that is completely clean they— the oil boycott. that is completely clean they are _ the oil boycott. that is completely clear. they are getting _ the oil boycott. that is completely clear. they are getting ready- the oil boycott. that is completely clear. they are getting ready to i the oil boycott. that is completelyj clear. they are getting ready to do this and _ clear. they are getting ready to do this and they — clear. they are getting ready to do this and they are _ clear. they are getting ready to do this and they are willing _ clear. they are getting ready to do this and they are willing to - clear. they are getting ready to do this and they are willing to do i clear. they are getting ready to do this and they are willing to do this| this and they are willing to do this because _ this and they are willing to do this because public— this and they are willing to do this because public opinion _ this and they are willing to do this because public opinion on - this and they are willing to do this because public opinion on it- this and they are willing to do this because public opinion on it is- because public opinion on it is quite — because public opinion on it is quite strong _ because public opinion on it is quite strong. and _ because public opinion on it is quite strong. and they- because public opinion on it is quite strong. and they know i because public opinion on it is. quite strong. and they know they because public opinion on it is- quite strong. and they know they are also internationally— quite strong. and they know they are also internationally under _ quite strong. and they know they are also internationally under pressure. i also internationally under pressure. it is also internationally under pressure. it is hungry— also internationally under pressure. it is hungry that _ also internationally under pressure. it is hungry that is _ also internationally under pressure. it is hungry that is holding - also internationally under pressure. it is hungry that is holding out i also internationally under pressure. it is hungry that is holding out and. it is hungry that is holding out and also some — it is hungry that is holding out and also some other— it is hungry that is holding out and also some other countries - it is hungry that is holding out and also some other countries like i also some other countries like austria. — also some other countries like austria. for— also some other countries like austria, for instance, - also some other countries like austria, for instance, and i also some other countries like i austria, for instance, and slovakia -- it— austria, for instance, and slovakia -- it is— austria, for instance, and slovakia -- it is hungary— austria, for instance, and slovakia —— it is hungary that _ austria, for instance, and slovakia —— it is hungary that is _ austria, for instance, and slovakia —— it is hungary that is holding i austria, for instance, and slovakiaj —— it is hungary that is holding up. they— —— it is hungary that is holding up. they are _ —— it is hungary that is holding up. they are dithering _ —— it is hungary that is holding up. they are dithering and _ —— it is hungary that is holding up. they are dithering and they - —— it is hungary that is holding up. they are dithering and they want l they are dithering and they want some _ they are dithering and they want some exceptions _ they are dithering and they want some exceptions which - they are dithering and they want some exceptions which they- they are dithering and they want some exceptions which they will| they are dithering and they want i some exceptions which they will get, they want— some exceptions which they will get, they want help — some exceptions which they will get, they want help from _ some exceptions which they will get, they want help from their— they want help from their neighbours, _ they want help from their neighbours, so— they want help from their neighbours, so on- they want help from their neighbours, so on and i they want help from their neighbours, so on and soj they want help from their- neighbours, so on and so forth, is they want help from their— neighbours, so on and so forth, is a technical— neighbours, so on and so forth, is a technical problems— neighbours, so on and so forth, is a technical problems are _ neighbours, so on and so forth, is a technical problems are to _ neighbours, so on and so forth, is a technical problems are to be - neighbours, so on and so forth, is a technical problems are to be solved j technical problems are to be solved but germany— technical problems are to be solved but germany is _ technical problems are to be solved but germany is not _ technical problems are to be solved but germany is not the _ technical problems are to be solved but germany is not the one - technical problems are to be solved but germany is not the one holding| but germany is not the one holding this up _ but germany is not the one holding this up the — but germany is not the one holding this up. the problem _ but germany is not the one holding this up. the problem is _ but germany is not the one holding this up. the problem is that- but germany is not the one holding this up. the problem is that very. this up. the problem is that very early— this up. the problem is that very early after~ ~~ _ this up. the problem is that very early after... the _ this up. the problem is that very early after... the war _ this up. the problem is that very early after... the war started i this up. the problem is that very. early after... the war started when the whole — early after... the war started when the whole idea _ early after... the war started when the whole idea of— early after... the war started when the whole idea of the _ early after... the war started when the whole idea of the energy- early after... the war started when i the whole idea of the energy boycott came up. _ the whole idea of the energy boycott came up. and — the whole idea of the energy boycott came up, and there _ the whole idea of the energy boycott came up, and there were _ the whole idea of the energy boycott came up, and there were rather- the whole idea of the energy boycott. came up, and there were rather round words _ came up, and there were rather round words spoken — came up, and there were rather round words spoken by— came up, and there were rather round words spoken by the _ came up, and there were rather round words spoken by the german - words spoken by the german government— words spoken by the german government lake, _ words spoken by the german government lake, "we - words spoken by the german government lake, "we can'tl words spoken by the german . government lake, "we can't do words spoken by the german - government lake, "we can't do this, this would _ government lake, "we can't do this, this would hit— government lake, "we can't do this, this would hit the _ government lake, "we can't do this, this would hit the german _ government lake, "we can't do this, this would hit the german economy, it would _ this would hit the german economy, it would rcatty— this would hit the german economy, it would really stop _ this would hit the german economy, it would really stop us _
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this would hit the german economy, it would really stop us in _ this would hit the german economy, it would really stop us in our - it would really stop us in our tracks" — it would really stop us in our tracks". _ it would really stop us in our tracks". and _ it would really stop us in our tracks", and that _ it would really stop us in our tracks", and that has - it would really stop us in our tracks", and that has really. it would really stop us in our - tracks", and that has really changed over the _ tracks", and that has really changed over the last — tracks", and that has really changed over the last two _ tracks", and that has really changed over the last two months, _ tracks", and that has really changed over the last two months, and - tracks", and that has really changedj over the last two months, and again we have _ over the last two months, and again we have seen— over the last two months, and again we have seen this _ over the last two months, and again we have seen this evolving - over the last two months, and again we have seen this evolving opinion i we have seen this evolving opinion of this— we have seen this evolving opinion of this government _ we have seen this evolving opinion of this government going - we have seen this evolving opinion of this government going from i we have seen this evolving opinionl of this government going from zero to more _ of this government going from zero to more or— of this government going from zero to more or less— of this government going from zero to more or less 100 _ of this government going from zero to more or less 100 on _ of this government going from zero to more or less 100 on oil- of this government going from zero to more or less 100 on oil and i of this government going from zero to more or less 100 on oil and they| to more or less 100 on oil and they have _ to more or less 100 on oil and they have rcatty— to more or less 100 on oil and they have really pushed _ to more or less 100 on oil and they have really pushed hard _ to more or less 100 on oil and they have really pushed hard that - to more or less 100 on oil and they have really pushed hard that they. have really pushed hard that they could _ have really pushed hard that they could do — have really pushed hard that they could do without _ have really pushed hard that they could do without the _ have really pushed hard that they could do without the gas - have really pushed hard that they could do without the gas within i have really pushed hard that they. could do without the gas within the next month — could do without the gas within the next month, maybe _ could do without the gas within the next month, maybe until— could do without the gas within the next month, maybe until fall- could do without the gas within the next month, maybe until fall as i next month, maybe until fall as welt _ next month, maybe until fall as welt all— next month, maybe until fall as well. all these _ next month, maybe until fall as well. all these problems- next month, maybe until fall as well. all these problems need l next month, maybe until fall asi well. all these problems need to next month, maybe until fall as i well. all these problems need to be solved _ well. all these problems need to be solved they— well. all these problems need to be solved they are _ well. all these problems need to be solved. they are technical _ well. all these problems need to be solved. they are technical but - well. all these problems need to be solved. they are technical but theyl solved. they are technical but they are political— solved. they are technical but they are political because _ solved. they are technical but they. are political because communication by this— are political because communication by this government, _ are political because communication by this government, particularly i are political because communication by this government, particularly byl by this government, particularly by chancellor— by this government, particularly by chancellor schultz, _ by this government, particularly by chancellor schultz, has— by this government, particularly by chancellor schultz, has been, i by this government, particularly by chancellor schultz, has been, to i by this government, particularly by. chancellor schultz, has been, to put it mildly, _ chancellor schultz, has been, to put it mildly, problematic. _ chancellor schultz, has been, to put it mildly, problematic. find- chancellor schultz, has been, to put it mildly, problematic.— it mildly, problematic. and the osition it mildly, problematic. and the position on _ it mildly, problematic. and the position on weapons _ it mildly, problematic. and the position on weapons is - it mildly, problematic. and the| position on weapons is evolving it mildly, problematic. and the . position on weapons is evolving as well. we should not forget chancellor olaf scholz is in a difficult position. i would just say for a review as he is meeting in dusseldorf over the week and it was a may day celebration for the trade unions and this was him addressing theissue unions and this was him addressing the issue of weapons and what they are sending to ukraine. have a listen.
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translation: they are attacked by a big neighbour. — translation: they are attacked by a big neighbour, one _ translation: they are attacked by a big neighbour, one country _ translation: they are attacked by a big neighbour, one country invading i big neighbour, one country invading the other. russia has no place in ukraine. i: the russian president. let the guns be silent, withdraw your troops, let the guns be silent, withdraw yourtroops, respect let the guns be silent, withdraw your troops, respect the independence and sovereignty of ukraine —— i call on the russian president. some dutiful applause from those standing next to him on the stage but you could hear the boos and recriminations ringing out. and now an open letter as well, barbara, from academics criticising the decision to send weapons to ukraine. yes, that open letter was the absolute _ yes, that open letter was the absolute hottest _ yes, that open letter was the absolute hottest potato - yes, that open letter was the absolute hottest potato for. yes, that open letter was the i absolute hottest potato for the yes, that open letter was the - absolute hottest potato for the last few days _ absolute hottest potato for the last few days within _ absolute hottest potato for the last few days within germany— absolute hottest potato for the last few days within germany and - absolute hottest potato for the last few days within germany and in - absolute hottest potato for the lastj few days within germany and in the german_ few days within germany and in the german debate _ few days within germany and in the german debate about _ few days within germany and in the german debate about how- few days within germany and in the german debate about how to - few days within germany and in the . german debate about how to position ourselves_ german debate about how to position ourselves towards _ german debate about how to position ourselves towards the _ german debate about how to position ourselves towards the war _ german debate about how to position ourselves towards the war in - ourselves towards the war in ukraine _ ourselves towards the war in ukraine and— ourselves towards the war in ukraine. and there - ourselves towards the war in ukraine. and there has - ourselves towards the war in ukraine. and there has been ourselves towards the war in i ukraine. and there has been a tremendous— ukraine. and there has been a tremendous amount _ ukraine. and there has been a tremendous amount of - ukraine. and there has been al tremendous amount of outright condemnation _ tremendous amount of outright condemnation because - tremendous amount of outright condemnation because peoplel tremendous amount of outright. condemnation because people are
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sayingm — condemnation because people are sayingm i— condemnation because people are sayingm i mean. _ condemnation because people are sayingm i mean. the _ condemnation because people are saying... i mean, the majority- condemnation because people are saying... i mean, the majority ofl saying... i mean, the majority of academics — saying... i mean, the majority of academics and _ saying... i mean, the majority of academics and journalists - saying... i mean, the majority of academics and journalists and i saying... i mean, the majority of- academics and journalists and people in public— academics and journalists and people in public life — academics and journalists and people in public life have _ academics and journalists and people in public life have said, _ academics and journalists and people in public life have said, the _ academics and journalists and people in public life have said, the people i in public life have said, the people who have — in public life have said, the people who have signed _ in public life have said, the people who have signed this— in public life have said, the people who have signed this letter, - in public life have said, the people who have signed this letter, whati who have signed this letter, what they do— who have signed this letter, what they do is— who have signed this letter, what they do is they _ who have signed this letter, what they do is they switch _ who have signed this letter, what they do is they switch the - who have signed this letter, what. they do is they switch the aggressor towards _ they do is they switch the aggressor towards the — they do is they switch the aggressor towards the victim, _ they do is they switch the aggressor towards the victim, so _ they do is they switch the aggressor towards the victim, so i— they do is they switch the aggressor towards the victim, so i mean... - towards the victim, so i mean... that— towards the victim, so i mean... that they— towards the victim, so i mean... that they said _ towards the victim, so i mean... that they said was _ towards the victim, so i mean... that they said was more - towards the victim, so i mean... that they said was more or - towards the victim, so i mean... that they said was more or less, ukraine — that they said was more or less, ukraine should _ that they said was more or less, ukraine should not... _ that they said was more or less, ukraine should not... they- that they said was more or less, i ukraine should not... they should lay down, — ukraine should not... they should lay down, because _ ukraine should not... they should lay down, because to _ ukraine should not... they should lay down, because to minimise i ukraine should not... they shouldi lay down, because to minimise the suffering _ lay down, because to minimise the suffering of — lay down, because to minimise the suffering of their— lay down, because to minimise the suffering of their population... - suffering of their population... which — suffering of their population... which reaiiy _ suffering of their population... which really got _ suffering of their population... which really got an _ suffering of their population... which really got an outraged l which really got an outraged reaction _ which really got an outraged reaction within— which really got an outraged reaction within the _ which really got an outraged reaction within the majority. which really got an outraged reaction within the majority i which really got an outraged - reaction within the majority i think of the _ reaction within the majority i think of the german— reaction within the majority i think of the german public— reaction within the majority i think of the german public opinion, - reaction within the majority i think . of the german public opinion, saying that they— of the german public opinion, saying that they should _ of the german public opinion, saying that they should condemn _ of the german public opinion, saying. that they should condemn themselves to live _ that they should condemn themselves to live under— that they should condemn themselves to live under russian _ that they should condemn themselves to live under russian torture - that they should condemn themselves to live under russian torture and - to live under russian torture and murder— to live under russian torture and murder and _ to live under russian torture and murderand all— to live under russian torture and murder and all the _ to live under russian torture and murder and all the other- to live under russian torture and. murder and all the other incidents that we _ murder and all the other incidents that we witness _ murder and all the other incidents that we witness in _ murder and all the other incidents that we witness in ukraine - murder and all the other incidents that we witness in ukraine these i that we witness in ukraine these days _ that we witness in ukraine these days that — that we witness in ukraine these days. that has— that we witness in ukraine these days. that has nothing _ that we witness in ukraine these days. that has nothing to - that we witness in ukraine these days. that has nothing to do - that we witness in ukraine these | days. that has nothing to do with the government. _ days. that has nothing to do with the government. that— days. that has nothing to do with the government. that is- days. that has nothing to do with the government. that is i- days. that has nothing to do with the government. that is i think. days. that has nothing to do with the government. that is i think i| the government. that is i think i niinority— the government. that is i think i minority opinion. _ the government. that is i think i minority opinion. but _ the government. that is i think i minority opinion. but if- the government. that is i think i minority opinion. but if we - the government. that is i think i minority opinion. but if we lookl the government. that is i think i. minority opinion. but if we look at the recent— minority opinion. but if we look at the recent polls _ minority opinion. but if we look at the recent polls regarding - minority opinion. but if we look at l the recent polls regarding weapons, it seems— the recent polls regarding weapons, it seems the — the recent polls regarding weapons, it seems the german _ the recent polls regarding weapons, it seems the german population - the recent polls regarding weapons, it seems the german population is. it seems the german population is pretty— it seems the german population is pretty much— it seems the german population is
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pretty much spiit _ it seems the german population is pretty much split in _ it seems the german population is pretty much split in the _ it seems the german population is pretty much split in the middle. i it seems the german population is. pretty much split in the middle. one half says. _ pretty much split in the middle. one half says. yes, — pretty much split in the middle. one half says, yes, absolutely, - pretty much split in the middle. one half says, yes, absolutely, we - half says, yes, absolutely, we should — half says, yes, absolutely, we should deliver— half says, yes, absolutely, we should deliver weapons. - half says, yes, absolutely, we should deliver weapons. we . half says, yes, absolutely, we . should deliver weapons. we need half says, yes, absolutely, we - should deliver weapons. we need to do this _ should deliver weapons. we need to do this we — should deliver weapons. we need to do this. we need _ should deliver weapons. we need to do this. we need to— should deliver weapons. we need to do this. we need to support - should deliver weapons. we need to do this. we need to support ukrainej do this. we need to support ukraine with all— do this. we need to support ukraine with all our— do this. we need to support ukraine with all our might. _ do this. we need to support ukraine with all our might. and _ do this. we need to support ukraine with all our might. and others - do this. we need to support ukraine with all our might. and others are l with all our might. and others are afraid _ with all our might. and others are afraid they— with all our might. and others are afraid. they are _ with all our might. and others are afraid. they are simply _ with all our might. and others are afraid. they are simply afraid. - with all our might. and others arei afraid. they are simply afraid. this whole _ afraid. they are simply afraid. this whole idea — afraid. they are simply afraid. this whole idea of— afraid. they are simply afraid. this whole idea of a _ afraid. they are simply afraid. this whole idea of a possible _ afraid. they are simply afraid. this whole idea of a possible nuclear. afraid. they are simply afraid. this. whole idea of a possible nuclear war is really— whole idea of a possible nuclear war is really very— whole idea of a possible nuclear war is really very close _ whole idea of a possible nuclear war is really very close to _ whole idea of a possible nuclear war is really very close to people's... . is really very close to people's... still to— is really very close to people's... still to some _ is really very close to people's... still to some people's _ is really very close to people's... i still to some people's experience. throughout— still to some people's experience. throughout the _ still to some people's experience. throughout the cold _ still to some people's experience. throughout the cold war, - still to some people's experience. throughout the cold war, other. throughout the cold war, other people — throughout the cold war, other people in— throughout the cold war, other people in germany— throughout the cold war, other people in germany remember. throughout the cold war, other. people in germany remember the second _ people in germany remember the second world _ people in germany remember the second world war, _ people in germany remember the second world war, and _ people in germany remember the second world war, and their- people in germany remember the . second world war, and their children may be _ second world war, and their children may be still— second world war, and their children may be still carry— second world war, and their children may be still carry some _ second world war, and their children may be still carry some of— second world war, and their children may be still carry some of the - may be still carry some of the trauma — may be still carry some of the trauma from _ may be still carry some of the trauma from that _ may be still carry some of the trauma from that war, - may be still carry some of the trauma from that war, so - may be still carry some of the. trauma from that war, so there may be still carry some of the - trauma from that war, so there is one half— trauma from that war, so there is one half of— trauma from that war, so there is one half of the _ trauma from that war, so there is one half of the german _ trauma from that war, so there is| one half of the german population saying. _ one half of the german population saying. this — one half of the german population saying. this is _ one half of the german population saying, this is too _ one half of the german population saying, this is too dangerous, - one half of the german population saying, this is too dangerous, wei saying, this is too dangerous, we are endangering _ saying, this is too dangerous, we are endangering ourselves- saying, this is too dangerous, we are endangering ourselves if- saying, this is too dangerous, we are endangering ourselves if we i are endangering ourselves if we really _ are endangering ourselves if we really take _ are endangering ourselves if we really take ukraine's _ are endangering ourselves if we really take ukraine's side - are endangering ourselves if we really take ukraine's side too i really take ukraine's side too strongly _ really take ukraine's side too strongly iii— really take ukraine's side too stronrl . . ., really take ukraine's side too stronrl. ,., . really take ukraine's side too stronrl. , , ., strongly. it is a big sea change in germany. _ strongly. it is a big sea change in germany. that — strongly. it is a big sea change in germany, that has _ strongly. it is a big sea change in germany, that has to _ strongly. it is a big sea change in germany, that has to be - strongly. it is a big sea change in - germany, that has to be appreciated, and i know of course in the uk there is something similar. keir starmer has been talking about people and in germany, and jayne mccubbin much in
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the same way. thank you for talking to us, barbara wesel. —— and jeremie club in much in the same way. ——jeremy —— jeremy corbyn. whilst the war rages on in ukraine — the battle for hearts and minds is being fought in cybersapce. the uk government warned this week that a russian troll farm is posting all kinds of misinformation on tik tok and on the comment pages of websites. but the russians are not having it all their own way. let's speak to dmitri alperovitch — cyber security expert and chairman of silverado policy accelerator. we are reading more and more about these hackers, activists that are accessing all kinds of records in russia. what kind of things had they been getting their hands on? fascinating to watch because of two months _ fascinating to watch because of two months now you have been seeing activist _ months now you have been seeing activist groups online hacking all sorts _ activist groups online hacking all sorts of— activist groups online hacking all sorts of organisations in russia, mostly— sorts of organisations in russia, mostly travel agencies, sorts of organisations in russia, mostly travelagencies, construction mostly travel agencies, construction farms _ mostly travel agencies, construction farms and _ mostly travelagencies, construction farms and the like but lately they have been hacking into some russian
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ministries, _ have been hacking into some russian ministries, the ministry of culture, for example. and when governor's offers, _ for example. and when governor's offers, releasing e—mails about the staff _ offers, releasing e—mails about the staff. mostly not necessarily the higher— staff. mostly not necessarily the higher political figures that would be a huge shock to russia. white man who is— be a huge shock to russia. white man who is behind it? for the most part, we don't _ who is behind it? for the most part, we don't know —— who is behind it? for the most part, we don't know -- and who is behind it? for the most part, we don't know "— we don't know -- and who is behind it? they are — we don't know -- and who is behind it? they are part — we don't know -- and who is behind it? they are part of _ we don't know -- and who is behind it? they are part of the _ we don't know -- and who is behind it? they are part of the anonymous| it? they are part of the anonymous hacker group _ it? they are part of the anonymous hacker group collective _ it? they are part of the anonymous hacker group collective that - it? they are part of the anonymous hacker group collective that we - it? they are part of the anonymousl hacker group collective that we have seen so _ hacker group collective that we have seen so much other than the last decade _ seen so much other than the last decade or— seen so much other than the last decade or so but we know that some of them _ decade or so but we know that some of them are — decade or so but we know that some of them are pro—western, some are hacking _ of them are pro—western, some are hacking not — of them are pro—western, some are hacking notjust russia but they have _ hacking notjust russia but they have formed an alliance with all the major— have formed an alliance with all the major anti _ have formed an alliance with all the major anti western countries, china, iran, _ major anti western countries, china, iran, so— major anti western countries, china, iran, so most— major anti western countries, china, iran, so most likely it is people inside — iran, so most likely it is people inside the — iran, so most likely it is people inside the western countries that are trying — inside the western countries that are trying to help ukraine. maybe the system _ are trying to help ukraine. maybe the system is _ are trying to help ukraine. maybe the system is not _ are trying to help ukraine. maybe the system is not as _ are trying to help ukraine. maybe the system is not as safe - are trying to help ukraine. maybe the system is not as safe as - are trying to help ukraine. maybe the system is not as safe as they| the system is not as safe as they would hope they are? the the system is not as safe as they would hope they are?— the system is not as safe as they would hope they are? the reality is reali is would hope they are? the reality is reality is nobody _ would hope they are? the reality is reality is nobody is _ would hope they are? the reality is reality is nobody is safe _ would hope they are? the reality is reality is nobody is safe in - reality is nobody is safe in cyberspace. the russians are just as immune, _ cyberspace. the russians are just as immune, perhaps more so, than the west: _ immune, perhaps more so, than the west. and _ immune, perhaps more so, than the west, and right now because so many
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western— west, and right now because so many western cybersecurity firms have pulled _ western cybersecurity firms have pulled out of russia and stop updating their software the russians are even— updating their software the russians are even more vulnerable than they have been— are even more vulnerable than they have been before this work. let are even more vulnerable than they have been before this work.- have been before this work. let me ut some have been before this work. let me put some of— have been before this work. let me put some of the _ have been before this work. let me put some of the things _ have been before this work. let me put some of the things we - have been before this work. let me put some of the things we have - have been before this work. let me. put some of the things we have been talking about the error panel. doug, just going back to energy, which we were talking about with barbara, a lot of things i said about donald trump, but he was right on this issue about the overreliance in germany on russian oil and gas. we had the former ambassador to paris on the programme last week saying that angler merkel is partly responsible for this because she didn't invest in nuclear —— angela merkel. that she didn't heed the warning. and now we are where we are. . , , warning. and now we are where we are. ., , , ., �* warning. and now we are where we are. ., , , are. yeah, these things don't happen overnirht, are. yeah, these things don't happen overnight. this _ are. yeah, these things don't happen overnight, this is _ are. yeah, these things don't happen overnight, this is a _ are. yeah, these things don't happen overnight, this is a long-term - overnight, this is a long—term policy— overnight, this is a long—term policy for— overnight, this is a long—term policy for germany that the world is a testament to an consequences on. i thought— a testament to an consequences on. i thought it — a testament to an consequences on. i thought it was interesting today to see boris— thought it was interesting today to see borisjohnson thought it was interesting today to see boris johnson touring a thought it was interesting today to see borisjohnson touring a nuclear facility— see borisjohnson touring a nuclear facility and — see borisjohnson touring a nuclear facility and say they are going to build _ facility and say they are going to build these, not every ten years but every _ build these, not every ten years but every year. — build these, not every ten years but every year, to make sure england and the uk _ every year, to make sure england and the uk is _ every year, to make sure england and the uk is relying on its own energy and not _ the uk is relying on its own energy and not dependent on foreign sources
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of energy _ and not dependent on foreign sources of energy. it is a problem for every country. _ of energy. it is a problem for every country. in — of energy. it is a problem for every country, in europe especially, important _ country, in europe especially, important for every country to do this as _ important for every country to do this as we — important for every country to do this as we look at long—term and short-term — this as we look at long—term and short—term solutions regarding ukraine — short—term solutions regarding ukraine. like max big news coming out of— ukraine. like max big news coming out of its _ ukraine. like max big news coming out of its tonight, ayesha, about energy— out of its tonight, ayesha, about energy -- — out of its tonight, ayesha, about energy —— and some big news coming out. energy -- and some big news coming out. a, , energy -- and some big news coming out. , ., energy -- and some big news coming out. _,, ., ., energy -- and some big news coming out. ., , ., out. money approved for support to offset future _ out. money approved for support to offset future energy _ out. money approved for support to offset future energy spikes. - out. money approved for support to offset future energy spikes. that i out. money approved for support to offset future energy spikes. that is| offset future energy spikes. that is to do with the cost of energy in italy, and part of that has been fuelled or paid for by windfall tax on energy companies?— fuelled or paid for by windfall tax on energy companies? yeah, i mean this is an that _ on energy companies? yeah, i mean this is an that is _ on energy companies? yeah, i mean this is an that is very _ on energy companies? yeah, i mean this is an that is very popular - on energy companies? yeah, i mean this is an that is very popular with i this is an that is very popular with consumers. it is something which the opposition party, the labour party, in this country has put forward. it is very popular with the public as well who see these soaring profits from the oil and gas companies and think, look, something should be done, particularly because you have this ukraine conflict also colliding with this real squeeze in supply and this cost of living crisis and this
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energy crisis, and i think the decision by the italian government to do this, we have local elections happening in this country, going to the poll clinic on thursday, and i'm sure the labour party will be using this as an example ——ss on thursday. like mike but that is a big bazooka, and the chancellor here some like mike but that is a big bazooka, and the chancellor here come under a lot of pressure. _ and the chancellor here come under a lot of pressure. we _ and the chancellor here come under a lot of pressure. we know _ and the chancellor here come under a lot of pressure. we know the - and the chancellor here come under a lot of pressure. we know the tax - lot of pressure. we know the tax take has gone up because of inflation —— yes, but that is a big bazooka, that amount of money. we still don't have a meaningful change and support from the uk government, ayesha? where has she gone? shocking that, she has gone, for a second. we will see if we can get her back. very quickly, dmitri, before i let you go, the government put out this statement that there is a true farm now putting all sorts of misinformation on websites we are reading, on tiktok, and it is becoming more sophisticated, getting better. the becoming more sophisticated, getting better. ., ., ., better. the troll farm involved here is the same — better. the troll farm involved here is the same one _ better. the troll farm involved here is the same one we _ better. the troll farm involved here is the same one we have _ better. the troll farm involved here is the same one we have seen - better. the troll farm involved here is the same one we have seen for l
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is the same one we have seen for some _ is the same one we have seen for some time — is the same one we have seen for some time now— is the same one we have seen for some time now of _ is the same one we have seen for some time now of course, - is the same one we have seen for some time now of course, over. is the same one we have seen for some time now of course, over a| some time now of course, over a decade _ some time now of course, over a decade now— some time now of course, over a decade now of— some time now of course, over a decade now of the _ some time now of course, over a decade now of the russians - decade now of the russians affiiiating _ decade now of the russians affiliating with _ decade now of the russians affiliating with this - decade now of the russiansl affiliating with this character known — affiliating with this character known as _ affiliating with this character known as putin's _ affiliating with this character known as putin's chef, - affiliating with this character known as putin's chef, and i affiliating with this character. known as putin's chef, and he affiliating with this character- known as putin's chef, and he has been _ known as putin's chef, and he has been financier— known as putin's chef, and he has been financier of— known as putin's chef, and he has been financier of course _ known as putin's chef, and he has been financier of course for - been financier of course for mercenaries _ been financier of course for mercenaries in _ been financier of course for mercenaries in south - been financier of course for mercenaries in south africa been financier of course for - mercenaries in south africa and potentially _ mercenaries in south africa and potentially even _ mercenaries in south africa and potentially even in _ mercenaries in south africa and potentially even in ukraine - mercenaries in south africa and potentially even in ukraine and| potentially even in ukraine and there _ potentially even in ukraine and there have _ potentially even in ukraine and there have been _ potentially even in ukraine and there have been allegations i potentially even in ukraine and i there have been allegations about that and _ there have been allegations about that and we — there have been allegations about that and we know _ there have been allegations about that and we know he _ there have been allegations about that and we know he has - there have been allegations about that and we know he has been i that and we know he has been creating — that and we know he has been creating these _ that and we know he has been creating these troll— that and we know he has been creating these troll farm - that and we know he has been creating these troll farm is i that and we know he has been creating these troll farm is forj creating these troll farm is for people — creating these troll farm is for people to _ creating these troll farm is for people to go _ creating these troll farm is for people to go in _ creating these troll farm is for people to go in to _ creating these troll farm is for people to go in to put- creating these troll farm is for i people to go in to put comments on social— people to go in to put comments on social media — people to go in to put comments on social media posts, _ people to go in to put comments on social media posts, news _ people to go in to put comments on social media posts, news sites, i people to go in to put comments on social media posts, news sites, to i social media posts, news sites, to try to _ social media posts, news sites, to try to push — social media posts, news sites, to try to push russian _ social media posts, news sites, to try to push russian propaganda, l social media posts, news sites, to i try to push russian propaganda, and what they— try to push russian propaganda, and what they are — try to push russian propaganda, and what they are doing _ try to push russian propaganda, and what they are doing now _ try to push russian propaganda, and what they are doing now that - try to push russian propaganda, and what they are doing now that is i what they are doing now that is different— what they are doing now that is different as _ what they are doing now that is different as they— what they are doing now that is different as they are _ what they are doing now that is different as they are not - what they are doing now that is different as they are not just i different as they are not just starting _ different as they are not just starting on _ different as they are not just starting on the _ different as they are not just starting on the west - different as they are not just starting on the west but i different as they are not just| starting on the west but very different as they are not just - starting on the west but very much focused _ starting on the west but very much focused on — starting on the west but very much focused on other— starting on the west but very much focused on other countries, - starting on the west but very much focused on other countries, india, i focused on other countries, india, brazii— focused on other countries, india, brazil and — focused on other countries, india, brazil and others _ focused on other countries, india, brazil and others that _ focused on other countries, india, brazil and others that have - focused on other countries, india, brazil and others that have been i brazil and others that have been sort of— brazil and others that have been sort of neutral— brazil and others that have been sort of neutral in _ brazil and others that have been sort of neutral in this _ brazil and others that have been sort of neutral in this conflict i brazil and others that have beeni sort of neutral in this conflict and not willing — sort of neutral in this conflict and not willing to _ sort of neutral in this conflict and not willing to come _ sort of neutral in this conflict and not willing to come out _ sort of neutral in this conflict and not willing to come out in - sort of neutral in this conflict and | not willing to come out in support of ukraine — not willing to come out in support of ukraine very— not willing to come out in support of ukraine very strongly— of ukraine very strongly dmitri alperovitch. — of ukraine very strongly dmitri alperovitch, thank _ of ukraine very strongly dmitri alperovitch, thank you - of ukraine very strongly dmitri alperovitch, thank you very i of ukraine very strongly dmitri i alperovitch, thank you very much for that indeed. i assure you that the russians are not missing out pictures. ayesha is back with best mate. those of you paying attention will see that we are going to talk to the man who has made it his
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lacework tackling russian corruption and human rights abuses, and we will be talking to bill browder on the effort to suffocate the russian economy. to stay with us. —— do stay with us. good evening. the banco do weekend is coming to a close.
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good evening. bank holiday weekend is coming to a close. it has been a cloudy affair for many. still stunning at times. take a look at this amazing weather watcher picture sent in from edinburgh. but you can see the cloud at times was fairly threatening. there were a few isolated showers in eastern scotland. best of the sunshine through lincolnshire and cambridgeshire throughout monday afternoon, and in fact, temperatures here around 16 or 17, but you can see it was the exception, rather than the rule. the emphasis with the cloud and a few scattered showers from time to time. now, through this evening and overnight, we keep the cloud going and the risk of a few showers as well. a northerly breeze and slightly clearer skies into the far north—east of scotland. here, temperatures will fall down to low single figures, but elsewhere, it's going to be a mild start to tuesday, frost—free here. so, another grey start as well. and the cloud will be thick enough for a few showers first thing in the morning, particularly across scottish borders and then running down through the north—east of england and as we go through the afternoon, some through the midlands, down into wales and south—west england, may well turn heavy and thundery. a good deal of dry weather for most of us, however. brighter skies from time to time, so highest values once again in the sunshine of 17,
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just that little bit cooler along the far north—east coast. we've still got weather fronts toppling across the high through the middle part of the week, still running the risk of some showers. we start off with showers moving out of scotland into the north of england. by the middle part of the afternoon, those showers will drive in through wales, central and south—east england, with the best of any brighter weather further north and west. it will still be quite warm their down to the south, hence the reason for the thunderstorms, and temperatures may well peak into the high teens. now, we've got one or two fronts to clear away towards the end of the weekend and then into the weekend, high pressure is set to build in behind, quietening things down once again. so, no significant rain for the gardeners or growers across central and southern england, and in fact, with the wind direction coming from a south—westerly, on the whole, for the bulk of england and wales and northern ireland, it will stay on the warm side. so, yes, we've got the risk of some rain on friday with that front, but once it clears through and the high pressure builds, dry, settled, sunny and warm for many.
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hello, i'm christian fraser. you're watching the context on bbc news. ukraine says a russian missile has hit the black sea port of odesa, killing civilians — including a young teenager. and still the west pays for this war. russian oil sales will continue in the eu after splits emerged over an improved timeline for an oil embargo. the corruption in the british virgin islands. a uk minister has arrived just days after the premier was arrested for drug smuggling and a british judge recommended a return to direct rule. we will be live in rhode town. we have endorsed jp, we have endorsedjp, right? we have endorsed jp, right? jd mandel. and he's doing great. the countdown to the republican primaries — a test of whether trump
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supports still counts. but it's not entirely clear to anyone, mr trump included, who he's endorsed in ohio. and the mad old bird in washington — the wild turkey that is terrorising the public near the us capitol. tonight with the context, the former labour adviser, comedian and journalist ayesha hazarika and the republican political analyst and former spokesperson for the republican national committee, doug heye. welcome back. bill browder was once one of the largest investors in russia but after the death of his lawyer, sergei magnitsky, in russian custody in 2009, he became one of russia's most prominent critics. he has done more than most in bringing the focus to russian money, the influence it buys, and he has lobbied lawmakers in the united states and here in the uk for much tighter control and sanctions. since the invasion of ukraine, hisjob has become a little easier, but how much is there
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still left to do? bill's new book was out last month. it is called freezing order: a true story of money laundering, murder and surviving vladimir putin's wrath. bill browder, welcome to the programme. somebody said to meet last week, here in the uk, we have done quite a bit to shut russian money down, shut the front door, so to speak, but the back door is wide open. the proxies in london have been working overtime for some what do you know? you in london have been working overtime for some what do you know?— for some what do you know? you are absolutely right. _ for some what do you know? you are absolutely right. i _ for some what do you know? you are absolutely right. i praised _ for some what do you know? you are absolutely right. i praised the - absolutely right. i praised the government— absolutely right. i praised the government on— absolutely right. i praised the government on sanctioning i absolutely right. i praised the government on sanctioning a| absolutely right. i praised the i government on sanctioning a whole bunch of— government on sanctioning a whole bunch of what — government on sanctioning a whole bunch of what i _ government on sanctioning a whole bunch of what i call _ government on sanctioning a whole bunch of what i call high—value i bunch of what i call high—value targets, — bunch of what i call high—value targets, and _ bunch of what i call high—value targets, and that _ bunch of what i call high—value targets, and that is _ bunch of what i call high—value targets, and that is good. i bunch of what i call high—value targets, and that is good. or. targets, and that is good. or chanson— targets, and that is good. or chanson has— targets, and that is good. or chanson has also _ targets, and that is good. or chanson has also done - targets, and that is good. or chanson has also done a i targets, and that is good. ori chanson has also done a great targets, and that is good. or- chanson has also done a greatjob targets, and that is good. or- chanson has also done a great job of freezing _ chanson has also done a great job of freezing the — chanson has also done a great job of freezing the assets _ chanson has also done a great job of freezing the assets of _ chanson has also done a great job of freezing the assets of the _ chanson has also done a great job of freezing the assets of the central i freezing the assets of the central bank of— freezing the assets of the central bank of russia _ freezing the assets of the central bank of russia —— _ freezing the assets of the central bank of russia —— boris- freezing the assets of the central bank of russia —— boris johnson. freezing the assets of the central i bank of russia —— borisjohnson has. but the _ bank of russia —— borisjohnson has. but the one — bank of russia —— borisjohnson has. but the one thing _ bank of russia —— borisjohnson has. but the one thing that _ bank of russia —— borisjohnson has. but the one thing that really - but the one thing that really worries— but the one thing that really worries me. _ but the one thing that really worries me, and _ but the one thing that really worries me, and this- but the one thing that really worries me, and this is- but the one thing that really worries me, and this is a i but the one thing that really l worries me, and this is a huge problem. _ worries me, and this is a huge problem. is _ worries me, and this is a huge problem, is that _ worries me, and this is a huge problem, is that there - worries me, and this is a huge problem, is that there is i worries me, and this is a huge problem, is that there is a i worries me, and this is a huge i problem, is that there is a whole
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industry here _ problem, is that there is a whole industry here in— problem, is that there is a whole industry here in london- problem, is that there is a whole industry here in london that i industry herein london that basicaiiy— industry here in london that basically helps the - industry here in london that basically helps the russians| industry here in london that - basically helps the russians move their money— basically helps the russians move their money around, _ basically helps the russians move their money around, helps - basically helps the russians move their money around, helps them i basically helps the russians move i their money around, helps them hide their money around, helps them hide their money, — their money around, helps them hide their money, helps _ their money around, helps them hide their money, helps them _ their money around, helps them hide their money, helps them do- their money around, helps them hide| their money, helps them do whatever they need _ their money, helps them do whatever they need to — their money, helps them do whatever they need to do — their money, helps them do whatever they need to do to _ their money, helps them do whatever they need to do to stay— their money, helps them do whatever they need to do to stay out _ their money, helps them do whatever they need to do to stay out of- they need to do to stay out of trouble, — they need to do to stay out of trouble, and _ they need to do to stay out of trouble, and i— they need to do to stay out of trouble, and i think— they need to do to stay out of trouble, and i think that i they need to do to stay out of trouble, and i think that if. they need to do to stay out of trouble, and i think that if wej trouble, and i think that if we really— trouble, and i think that if we really want _ trouble, and i think that if we really want to _ trouble, and i think that if we really want to get _ trouble, and i think that if we really want to get a _ trouble, and i think that if we really want to get a handle i trouble, and i think that if we| really want to get a handle on trouble, and i think that if we i really want to get a handle on this, we've _ really want to get a handle on this, we've got— really want to get a handle on this, we've got to — really want to get a handle on this, we've got to crack _ really want to get a handle on this, we've got to crack down _ really want to get a handle on this, we've got to crack down on - really want to get a handle on this, we've got to crack down on this - we've got to crack down on this enabler— we've got to crack down on this enabler industry— we've got to crack down on this enabler industry as _ we've got to crack down on this enabler industry as well. - we've got to crack down on this enabler industry as well.- enabler industry as well. does that include the british _ enabler industry as well. does that include the british law— enabler industry as well. does that include the british law firms - enabler industry as well. does that include the british law firms that l include the british law firms that have protected them for so many years? it have protected them for so many ears? ., , , have protected them for so many ears? , ., , ., years? it absolutely does, and so you've got _ years? it absolutely does, and so you've got these _ years? it absolutely does, and so you've got these lawyers - years? it absolutely does, and so you've got these lawyers who - you've got these lawyers who any time _ you've got these lawyers who any time anyone _ you've got these lawyers who any time anyone asks _ you've got these lawyers who any time anyone asks an _ you've got these lawyers who any time anyone asks an awkward - time anyone asks an awkward question. _ time anyone asks an awkward question. any— time anyone asks an awkward question, any time _ time anyone asks an awkward question, any time a - time anyone asks an awkwardl question, any time a journalist starts digging _ question, any time a journalist starts digging into _ question, any time a journalist starts digging into their- question, any time a journalist starts digging into their affairs| starts digging into their affairs but they— starts digging into their affairs but they get— starts digging into their affairs but they get a _ starts digging into their affairs but they get a nasty _ starts digging into their affairs but they get a nasty letter - starts digging into their affairs. but they get a nasty letter from starts digging into their affairs - but they get a nasty letter from one of a number— but they get a nasty letter from one ofa number of— but they get a nasty letter from one ofa number of law— but they get a nasty letter from one of a number of law firms, _ but they get a nasty letter from one of a number of law firms, and - but they get a nasty letter from onej of a number of law firms, and these law firms _ of a number of law firms, and these law firms are — of a number of law firms, and these law firms are out _ of a number of law firms, and these law firms are out there _ of a number of law firms, and these law firms are out there basically - law firms are out there basically acting as — law firms are out there basically acting as arms _ law firms are out there basically acting as arms of— law firms are out there basically acting as arms of the _ law firms are out there basically acting as arms of the russian i acting as arms of the russian security— acting as arms of the russian security services, _ acting as arms of the russian security services, effectively, trying — security services, effectively, trying to _ security services, effectively, trying to clamp _ security services, effectively, trying to clamp down - security services, effectively, trying to clamp down on - security services, effectively, - trying to clamp down on anything that would — trying to clamp down on anything that would in _ trying to clamp down on anything that would in any— trying to clamp down on anything that would in any way— trying to clamp down on anything that would in any way badly - trying to clamp down on anything j that would in any way badly affect and oligarch _ that would in any way badly affect and oligarch. and _ that would in any way badly affect and oligarch. and this— that would in any way badly affect and oligarch. and this is- that would in any way badly affect and oligarch. and this is a - that would in any way badly affect and oligarch. and this is a real.
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and oligarch. and this is a real problem. _ and oligarch. and this is a real problem. and _ and oligarch. and this is a real problem, and it— and oligarch. and this is a real problem, and it has— and oligarch. and this is a real problem, and it has become . and oligarch. and this is a real. problem, and it has become such and oligarch. and this is a real- problem, and it has become such a problem _ problem, and it has become such a problem now— problem, and it has become such a problem now that _ problem, and it has become such a problem now that us _ problem, and it has become such a problem now that us lawmakers i problem, and it has become such al problem now that us lawmakers are getting _ problem now that us lawmakers are getting involved in _ problem now that us lawmakers are getting involved in creating - problem now that us lawmakers are getting involved in creating their- getting involved in creating their own sanctions— getting involved in creating their own sanctions against _ getting involved in creating their own sanctions against british - own sanctions against british lawyers because _ own sanctions against british lawyers because we - own sanctions against british lawyers because we can't - own sanctions against british lawyers because we can't get own sanctions against british - lawyers because we can't get our own house in— lawyers because we can't get our own house in order— lawyers because we can't get our own house in order here _ lawyers because we can't get our own house in order here in— lawyers because we can't get our own house in order here in london. - lawyers because we can't get our own house in order here in london.- house in order here in london. yeah, the sink on — house in order here in london. yeah, the sink on your _ house in order here in london. yeah, the sink on your video _ house in order here in london. yeah, the sink on your video is _ house in order here in london. yeah, the sink on your video is bad, - house in order here in london. yeah, the sink on your video is bad, but - house in order here in london. yeah, the sink on your video is bad, but i i the sink on your video is bad, but i want to... we can hear you. we have all got our various moves on the oligarchs and the russian interests ongoing at the moment. how much overlap is there? and is their best practice? is there something, for instance, something on the russian proxies that is there in law in the united states and could be photocopied and put into light here in the uk? . , , , in the uk? there absolutely is. there is a number— in the uk? there absolutely is. there is a number of things - in the uk? there absolutely is. | there is a number of things that have _ there is a number of things that have been done _ there is a number of things that have been done in— there is a number of things that have been done in the _ there is a number of things that have been done in the united i there is a number of things that - have been done in the united states. there _ have been done in the united states. there is— have been done in the united states. there is something _ have been done in the united states. there is something called _ have been done in the united states. there is something called the - there is something called the foreign — there is something called the foreign agent— there is something called the foreign agent registration - there is something called the| foreign agent registration act, there is something called the - foreign agent registration act, and what this— foreign agent registration act, and what this means _ foreign agent registration act, and what this means is _ foreign agent registration act, and what this means is that _ foreign agent registration act, and what this means is that anybody. foreign agent registration act, and i what this means is that anybody who is a foreign _ what this means is that anybody who is a foreign agent, _ what this means is that anybody who is a foreign agent, any— what this means is that anybody who is a foreign agent, any lawyer - what this means is that anybody who is a foreign agent, any lawyer or- is a foreign agent, any lawyer or iohhyist — is a foreign agent, any lawyer or iobbyist who _ is a foreign agent, any lawyer or lobbyist who is _ is a foreign agent, any lawyer or lobbyist who is a _ is a foreign agent, any lawyer or lobbyist who is a foreign - is a foreign agent, any lawyer or lobbyist who is a foreign agent, | is a foreign agent, any lawyer or.
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lobbyist who is a foreign agent, an agent— lobbyist who is a foreign agent, an agent for a — lobbyist who is a foreign agent, an agent for a foreign _ lobbyist who is a foreign agent, an agent for a foreign governments, i agent for a foreign governments, has to disclose _ agent for a foreign governments, has to disclose that, _ agent for a foreign governments, has to disclose that, and _ agent for a foreign governments, has to disclose that, and in _ agent for a foreign governments, has to disclose that, and in doing - agent for a foreign governments, has to disclose that, and in doing so, - to disclose that, and in doing so, it effectively— to disclose that, and in doing so, it effectively means _ to disclose that, and in doing so, it effectively means that - to disclose that, and in doing so, it effectively means that they - to disclose that, and in doing so, it effectively means that they are not able — it effectively means that they are not able to — it effectively means that they are not able to lobby— it effectively means that they are not able to lobby were _ or not able to slip it under people cosmic— or not able to slip it under people cosmic radar _ or not able to slip it under people cosmic radar what _ or not able to slip it under people cosmic radar what they— or not able to slip it under people cosmic radar what they are - or not able to slip it under people cosmic radar what they are up - or not able to slip it under people cosmic radar what they are up to. j cosmic radar what they are up to. here, _ cosmic radar what they are up to. here, that— cosmic radar what they are up to. here, that does— cosmic radar what they are up to. here, that does not— cosmic radar what they are up to. here, that does not exist. - cosmic radar what they are up to. here, that does not exist. the . cosmic radar what they are up to. i here, that does not exist. the other thing _ here, that does not exist. the other thing to— here, that does not exist. the other thing to have — here, that does not exist. the other thing to have is _ here, that does not exist. the other thing to have is strategic— here, that does not exist. the other thing to have is strategic lawsuit - thing to have is strategic lawsuit against — thing to have is strategic lawsuit against puhiic— thing to have is strategic lawsuit against public participation - against public participation provision, _ against public participation provision, the _ against public participation provision, the type - against public participation| provision, the type of thing against public participation . provision, the type of thing a lawyer— provision, the type of thing a iawyer witt— provision, the type of thing a lawyer will do— provision, the type of thing a lawyer will do to _ provision, the type of thing a lawyer will do to treasured . provision, the type of thing a| lawyer will do to treasured on provision, the type of thing a . lawyer will do to treasured on a journalist — lawyer will do to treasured on a journalist or— lawyer will do to treasured on a journalist or an _ lawyer will do to treasured on a journalist or an activist - lawyer will do to treasured on a journalist or an activist —— - lawyer will do to treasured on a journalist or an activist —— try. lawyer will do to treasured on a| journalist or an activist —— try to shut— journalist or an activist —— try to shut down— a journalist... here in ajournalist... here in the uk, if you are — ajournalist... here in the uk, if you are journalist, _ ajournalist... here in the uk, if you are journalist, you - ajournalist... here in the uk, if you are journalist, you can - ajournalist... here in the uk, if you are journalist, you can endi ajournalist... here in the uk, if. you are journalist, you can end up asking _ you are journalist, you can end up asking some — you are journalist, you can end up asking some tough— you are journalist, you can end up asking some tough questions - you are journalist, you can end up asking some tough questions or. you are journalist, you can end up. asking some tough questions or may be saying _ asking some tough questions or may be saying something _ asking some tough questions or may be saying something which - asking some tough questions or may be saying something which is - be saying something which is absolute _ be saying something which is absolute the _ be saying something which is absolute the true _ be saying something which is absolute the true and - be saying something which is absolute the true and then i be saying something which is i absolute the true and then you be saying something which is - absolute the true and then you end ”p absolute the true and then you end up spending — absolute the true and then you end up spending millions— absolute the true and then you end up spending millions of— absolute the true and then you end up spending millions of dollars - absolute the true and then you end up spending millions of dollars or. up spending millions of dollars or going _ up spending millions of dollars or going bankrupt— up spending millions of dollars or going bankrupt trying _ up spending millions of dollars or going bankrupt trying to - up spending millions of dollars or going bankrupt trying to defend l going bankrupt trying to defend yourselves against _ going bankrupt trying to defend | yourselves against oligarch, and going bankrupt trying to defend - yourselves against oligarch, and so there _ yourselves against oligarch, and so there is a _ yourselves against oligarch, and so there is a lot of— yourselves against oligarch, and so there is a lot of that can _ yourselves against oligarch, and so there is a lot of that can be - yourselves against oligarch, and so there is a lot of that can be done, i there is a lot of that can be done, there _ there is a lot of that can be done, there are — there is a lot of that can be done, there are a — there is a lot of that can be done,
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there are a lot— there is a lot of that can be done, there are a lot of— there is a lot of that can be done, there are a lot of new— there is a lot of that can be done, there are a lot of new things- there is a lot of that can be done, i there are a lot of new things being considered — there are a lot of new things being considered in _ there are a lot of new things being considered in order— there are a lot of new things being considered in order to _ there are a lot of new things being considered in order to shut- there are a lot of new things being considered in order to shut down. considered in order to shut down these iawyers _ considered in order to shut down these lawyers were basically- these lawyers were basically doing these lawyers were basically doing the oligarch cosmic bidding. - these lawyers were basically doing the oligarch cosmic bidding. you. the oligarch cosmic bidding. you wonder where _ the oligarch cosmic bidding. wonder where that is not being the oligarch cosmic bidding.“ wonder where that is not being done more quickly. there are certainly things that are best practice they could be copied into british life very, very quickly. and we have seen the speed with which the british government has moved with some element of russian money that is here. i suspect that if you look at the members interest in the commons, you would get a lot of detail also before into the interest in the lords, i am before into the interest in the lords, iam not before into the interest in the lords, i am not sure that would be the case. i lords, i am not sure that would be the case. ~' �* lords, i am not sure that would be the case. ~ �* , the case. i think you've put the nail on the _ the case. i think you've put the nail on the head _ the case. i think you've put the nail on the head there, - the case. i think you've put the l nail on the head there, christian. there is— nail on the head there, christian. there is a — nail on the head there, christian. there is a lot of proximity between the russian money in the ruling government in the united kingdom. we know that there is this historic closeness, lots of donors, russian donors giving money to the conservative party but also, as bill said. _ conservative party but also, as bill said. there — conservative party but also, as bill said, there is this ecosystem of people — said, there is this ecosystem of people who are sort of scratching
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each _ people who are sort of scratching each other's packs, they are socialising with each other, they arem it — socialising with each other, they arem it is — socialising with each other, they are... it is an ecosystem, they are nourishing each other, and it is not to he _ nourishing each other, and it is not to be broken. i was really struck by very senior— to be broken. i was really struck by very senior members of the conservative party offering concierge services to wealthy oligarchs, to connect them into the upper— oligarchs, to connect them into the upper echelons of british society. there _ upper echelons of british society. there is— upper echelons of british society. there is a — upper echelons of british society. there is a very close relationship between — there is a very close relationship between money, power and politics in britain. _ between money, power and politics in britain. as— between money, power and politics in britain, as there aren't other countries _ britain, as there aren't other countries as well, and i think that is one _ countries as well, and i think that is one of— countries as well, and i think that is one of reasons why we have been slow to _ is one of reasons why we have been slow to act — is one of reasons why we have been slow to act-— slow to act. duggar, plenty of russian lobbying _ slow to act. duggar, plenty of russian lobbying in _ slow to act. duggar, plenty of russian lobbying in america l slow to act. duggar, plenty of russian lobbying in america - slow to act. duggar, plenty of. russian lobbying in america - we russian lobbying in america — we don't have to go back very far to see that, of course! but the law does look to be a little tighter. there is a new law that the white house would like to get onto the book, and that is this ability to liquidate assets of russian oligarchs and give that money to the ukrainians. in that sphere, the
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russian sphere, there is probably a lot of support for that, but once you introduce a law like that, it can go into a bunch of directions, so what do republicans feel about this? ., . ., . —— a publican say much about this... certainly there is no sympathy for oligarchs, but republicans have not had a unified position on that yet, they are still waiting to see what moves the government makes the what we hear from joe moves the government makes the what we hearfrom joe biden more specifically notjust we hearfrom joe biden more specifically not just about what they will do but specifically how they would do it. fin they will do but specifically how they would do it.— they will do but specifically how they would do it. on the oligarchs, they would do it. on the oligarchs, the intention _ they would do it. on the oligarchs, the intention is _ they would do it. on the oligarchs, the intention is to _ they would do it. on the oligarchs, the intention is to pressure - they would do it. on the oligarchs, the intention is to pressure them l they would do it. on the oligarchs, l the intention is to pressure them so theyin the intention is to pressure them so they in turn put pressure on vladimir putin. there was a really interesting article in the washington post today about whether the support of the elite is beginning to fray, but what you could cut from that article is that there's a lot of acquiescence, a lot of fear in russia, it is very small circle around president putin and i don't get the impression, aside from the odd one or two oligarchs around
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force yeltsin —— around force yeltsin— i do not get the feeling there is any real movement that will unsettle vladimir putin. is that how you see it? unsettle vladimir putin. is that how ou see it? ., . . , , you see it? you are absolutely riuht. you see it? you are absolutely right- the _ you see it? you are absolutely right. the oligarchs _ you see it? you are absolutely right. the oligarchs are - you see it? you are absolutely right. the oligarchs are so - you see it? you are absolutely i right. the oligarchs are so scared of vladimir— right. the oligarchs are so scared of vladimir putin, _ right. the oligarchs are so scared of vladimir putin, they _ right. the oligarchs are so scared| of vladimir putin, they are scared of vladimir putin, they are scared of losing — of vladimir putin, they are scared of losing their _ of vladimir putin, they are scared of losing their money, _ of vladimir putin, they are scared of losing their money, they- of vladimir putin, they are scared of losing their money, they are i of losing their money, they are scared — of losing their money, they are scared of— of losing their money, they are scared of losing _ of losing their money, they are scared of losing their— of losing their money, they are scared of losing their freedom, of losing their money, they are - scared of losing their freedom, they are scared _ scared of losing their freedom, they are scared of— scared of losing their freedom, they are scared of losing _ scared of losing their freedom, they are scared of losing their— scared of losing their freedom, they are scared of losing their life, - are scared of losing their life, that— are scared of losing their life, that none _ are scared of losing their life, that none of— are scared of losing their life, that none of them _ are scared of losing their life, that none of them are - are scared of losing their life, that none of them are going i are scared of losing their life, i that none of them are going to people — that none of them are going to people a — that none of them are going to people a word _ that none of them are going to people a word. there - that none of them are going to people a word. there was - that none of them are going to people a word. there was a . that none of them are going to people a word. there was a bit articie — people a word. there was a bit article today— people a word. there was a bit article today in _ people a word. there was a bit article today in the _ people a word. there was a bit article today in the new - people a word. there was a bit article today in the new york. people a word. there was a bit - article today in the new york times about— article today in the new york times about one _ article today in the new york times about one oligarch, _ article today in the new york times about one oligarch, who _ article today in the new york times about one oligarch, who actually. about one oligarch, who actually apparently— about one oligarch, who actually apparently is _ about one oligarch, who actually apparently is dying _ about one oligarch, who actually apparently is dying of _ about one oligarch, who actually apparently is dying of cancer, i about one oligarch, who actually. apparently is dying of cancer, and he spoke — apparently is dying of cancer, and he spoke up — apparently is dying of cancer, and he spoke up about _ apparently is dying of cancer, and he spoke up about this _ apparently is dying of cancer, and he spoke up about this war, - apparently is dying of cancer, and he spoke up about this war, he i apparently is dying of cancer, and - he spoke up about this war, he spoke up he spoke up about this war, he spoke up against _ he spoke up about this war, he spoke up against putin. _ he spoke up about this war, he spoke up against putin, and _ he spoke up about this war, he spoke up against putin, and within - up against putin, and within moments. _ up against putin, and within moments. he _ up against putin, and within moments, he was... - up against putin, and within moments, he was... his- up against putin, and within - moments, he was... his company he owns _ moments, he was... his company he owns in _ moments, he was... his company he owns in russia. — moments, he was... his company he owns in russia, the _ moments, he was... his company he owns in russia, the government - owns in russia, the government threatened _ owns in russia, the government threatened to _ re—nationalize re— nationalize it re—nationalize it and he ended up seiiing _ re—nationalize it and he ended up setting it — re—nationalize it and he ended up setting it to — re—nationalize it and he ended up selling it to another— re—nationalize it and he ended up selling it to another oligarch - re—nationalize it and he ended up selling it to another oligarch in i selling it to another oligarch in order— selling it to another oligarch in order to — selling it to another oligarch in order to get out. _ selling it to another oligarch in order to get out. there - selling it to another oligarch in order to get out. there is - selling it to another oligarch in - order to get out. there is basically only downside _ order to get out. there is basically only downside to _ order to get out. there is basically only downside to oligarchs - order to get out. there is basically. only downside to oligarchs speaking up, only downside to oligarchs speaking up. they— only downside to oligarchs speaking up. they are — only downside to oligarchs speaking up. theyare all— only downside to oligarchs speaking up, they are all scared _ only downside to oligarchs speaking up, they are all scared to _ only downside to oligarchs speaking up, they are all scared to death. - up, they are all scared to death. the oligarchs— up, they are all scared to death. the oligarchs are _ up, they are all scared to death.
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the oligarchs are not _ up, they are all scared to death. the oligarchs are not going - up, they are all scared to death. the oligarchs are not going to i up, they are all scared to death. | the oligarchs are not going to be the solution _ the oligarchs are not going to be the solution to _ the oligarchs are not going to be the solution to this _ the oligarchs are not going to be the solution to this prudent - the solution to this prudent problem. _ the solution to this prudent problem, unfortunately. —— the solution to this prudent - problem, unfortunately. —— this putin— problem, unfortunately. —— this putin problem. _ problem, unfortunately. —— this putin problem. [it— problem, unfortunately. -- this putin problem.— problem, unfortunately. -- this putin roblem. , , . putin problem. it is the people, and the are putin problem. it is the people, and they are going _ putin problem. it is the people, and they are going to — putin problem. it is the people, and they are going to pay _ putin problem. it is the people, and they are going to pay the _ putin problem. it is the people, and they are going to pay the price - putin problem. it is the people, and they are going to pay the price of. putin problem. it is the people, and they are going to pay the price of al they are going to pay the price of a failing russian economy. bill browder, thank you very much indeed. let's go somewhere where we don't often get to on the context — much to my regret — the british virgin islands, a british overseas territory in the caribbean, made up of around 50 islands and a population of around 35,000 people. sounds idylic, but politically speaking, it's in turmoil. the country's premier, you may have seen, was arrested on friday at miami airport, allegedly trying to smuggle drugs into america. andrew fahie was detained on drugs and money laundering charges by us agents who were posing as cocaine traffickers from a mexican drug cartel. the country has long faced accusations of corruption and dishonesty within government. and the day after fahie's arrest, a report commisioned by the island's governor said the territory should be returned to direct rule from london and its constitution suspended — direct rule over a territory more than 4,000 miles from london and against the wishes of the acting premier now nominally in change. it's a drastic step.
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nomia iqbal is there for us. pity the foreign minister who has flown out to the british virgin islands, and he is there today, speaking to those who matter. what sort of protests are there about direct through returning to the islands? , ., , , , islands? there were protests this mornin: , islands? there were protests this morning. where _ islands? there were protests this morning, where i— islands? there were protests this morning, where i am _ islands? there were protests this morning, where i am standing, . islands? there were protests this| morning, where i am standing, of around— morning, where i am standing, of around 200 — morning, where i am standing, of around 200 people, and - morning, where i am standing, of around 200 people, and they- morning, where i am standing, ofl around 200 people, and they were really— around 200 people, and they were really angry — around 200 people, and they were really angry. they— around 200 people, and they were really angry. they showed - around 200 people, and they were really angry. they showed up - around 200 people, and they were really angry. they showed up with| really angry. they showed up with signs. _ really angry. they showed up with signs. saying. _ really angry. they showed up with signs, saying, cooperate, - really angry. they showed up with signs, saying, cooperate, don't. signs, saying, cooperate, don't nominate. _ signs, saying, cooperate, don't nominate. no— signs, saying, cooperate, don't nominate, no uk— signs, saying, cooperate, don't nominate, no uk colonial- signs, saying, cooperate, don't nominate, no uk colonial rule, | signs, saying, cooperate, don't- nominate, no uk colonial rule, uk, look after— nominate, no uk colonial rule, uk, look after yourself— nominate, no uk colonial rule, uk, look after yourself — _ nominate, no uk colonial rule, uk, look after yourself — that _ nominate, no uk colonial rule, uk, look after yourself — that sort - nominate, no uk colonial rule, uk, look after yourself — that sort of. look after yourself — that sort of thing _ look after yourself — that sort of thing for— look after yourself — that sort of thing for the _ look after yourself — that sort of thing for the people _ look after yourself — that sort of thing for the people are - look after yourself — that sort of thing for the people are angry. thing for the people are angry about the idea. _ thing for the people are angry about the idea, certainly— thing for the people are angry about the idea, certainly the _ thing for the people are angry about the idea, certainly the ones- thing for the people are angry about the idea, certainly the ones out- the idea, certainly the ones out here _ the idea, certainly the ones out here this — the idea, certainly the ones out here this morning, _ the idea, certainly the ones out here this morning, about - the idea, certainly the ones out here this morning, about the l the idea, certainly the ones out. here this morning, about the idea the idea, certainly the ones out- here this morning, about the idea of direct— here this morning, about the idea of direct rule — here this morning, about the idea of direct rule. when _ here this morning, about the idea of direct rule. when i _ here this morning, about the idea of direct rule. when i put _ here this morning, about the idea of direct rule. when i put to— here this morning, about the idea of direct rule. when i put to them - here this morning, about the idea of direct rule. when i put to them this| direct rule. when i put to them this idea of— direct rule. when i put to them this idea of inquiry. _ direct rule. when i put to them this idea of inquiry, that _ direct rule. when i put to them this idea of inquiry, that there - direct rule. when i put to them this idea of inquiry, that there is- direct rule. when i put to them this idea of inquiry, that there is a - idea of inquiry, that there is a failure — idea of inquiry, that there is a failure of—
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idea of inquiry, that there is a failure of governance - idea of inquiry, that there is a failure of governance and - idea of inquiry, that there is a - failure of governance and basically everything — failure of governance and basically everything you _ failure of governance and basically everything you need _ failure of governance and basically everything you need to _ failure of governance and basically everything you need to make - everything you need to make government efficient - everything you need to make government efficient is not l government efficient is not happening here, _ government efficient is not happening here, they- government efficient is not happening here, they said, government efficient is not. happening here, they said, we understand _ happening here, they said, we understand that, _ happening here, they said, we understand that, we _ happening here, they said, we. understand that, we understand happening here, they said, we- understand that, we understand there are problems — understand that, we understand there are problems here, _ understand that, we understand there are problems here, but— understand that, we understand there are problems here, but we _ understand that, we understand there are problems here, but we don't- are problems here, but we don't think— are problems here, but we don't think the — are problems here, but we don't think the uk_ are problems here, but we don't think the uk taking _ are problems here, but we don't think the uk taking direct - are problems here, but we don't think the uk taking direct rule i are problems here, but we don't think the uk taking direct rule isj think the uk taking direct rule is an answer, and _ think the uk taking direct rule is an answer, and they— think the uk taking direct rule is an answer, and they were - think the uk taking direct rule is. an answer, and they were outside think the uk taking direct rule is- an answer, and they were outside the government— an answer, and they were outside the government house _ an answer, and they were outside the government house as _ an answer, and they were outside the government house as the _ an answer, and they were outside the government house as the uk- government house as the uk delegation— government house as the uk delegation is meeting - government house as the uk delegation is meeting the i government house as the uk- delegation is meeting the governor, making _ delegation is meeting the governor, making their— delegation is meeting the governor, making their feelings— delegation is meeting the governor, making their feelings very _ delegation is meeting the governor, making their feelings very clear. - making their feelings very clear. have _ making their feelings very clear. have a _ making their feelings very clear. have a listen. _ why can we not be our authority on governance and say, "we take your recommendations and we take your report and we see "all of the things that are wrong and we are going to work. "here are the steps you want to take ourselves, before "you come and tell us, no, you're going to fix it for us"? in britain, the number one reason for your brexit was migration and immigration and not being able to be controlled by germany and other eastern european countries. here we are now with the same predicament, facing the same challenges, and now you're telling us that you know what's best for us? it's wrong. that gives you a strength of the feeling — that gives you a strength of the feeling here _ that gives you a strength of the feeling here on— that gives you a strength of the feeling here on the _ that gives you a strength of the feeling here on the islands, - feeling here on the islands, certainly by _ feeling here on the islands, certainly by those _ feeling here on the islands, l certainly by those protesters feeling here on the islands, - certainly by those protesters this morning — certainly by those protesters this morning what _ certainly by those protesters this morning. what happens next? i certainly by those protesters this . morning. what happens next? this today— morning. what happens next? this today is— morning. what happens next? this today is day— morning. what happens next? this today is day one _ morning. what happens next? this
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today is day one of _ morning. what happens next? this today is day one of three _ morning. what happens next? this today is day one of three days - morning. what happens next? this today is day one of three days of. today is day one of three days of meetings — today is day one of three days of meetings with _ today is day one of three days of meetings with the _ today is day one of three days of meetings with the uk _ today is day one of three days ofj meetings with the uk delegation today is day one of three days of - meetings with the uk delegation and also the _ meetings with the uk delegation and also the acting — meetings with the uk delegation and also the acting premier— meetings with the uk delegation and also the acting premier that - meetings with the uk delegation and also the acting premier that you - also the acting premier that you mentioned — also the acting premier that you mentioned there, _ also the acting premier that you mentioned there, who- also the acting premier that you mentioned there, who has- also the acting premier that you | mentioned there, who has made also the acting premier that you i mentioned there, who has made it clear— mentioned there, who has made it clear that — mentioned there, who has made it clear that he — mentioned there, who has made it clear that he doesn't _ mentioned there, who has made it clear that he doesn't uk _ mentioned there, who has made it clear that he doesn't uk rule. - mentioned there, who has made it clear that he doesn't uk rule. he l clear that he doesn't uk rule. he wants— clear that he doesn't uk rule. he wants the — clear that he doesn't uk rule. he wants the top _ clear that he doesn't uk rule. he wants the top job _ clear that he doesn't uk rule. he wants the top job full—time, - clear that he doesn't uk rule. he wants the top job full—time, he l wants the top job full—time, he wants— wants the top job full—time, he wants andrew— wants the top job full—time, he wants andrew fahie _ wants the top job full—time, he wants andrew fahie to - wants the top job full—time, he wants andrew fahie to resign. i wants the top job full—time, he . wants andrew fahie to resign. as yet, wants andrew fahie to resign. as yet. there — wants andrew fahie to resign. as yet. there is— wants andrew fahie to resign. as yet. there is no— wants andrew fahie to resign. as yet, there is no decision - wants andrew fahie to resign. as yet, there is no decision on - wants andrew fahie to resign. as yet, there is no decision on the l yet, there is no decision on the future of— yet, there is no decision on the future of the _ yet, there is no decision on the future of the islands. _ yet, there is no decision on the future of the islands.— yet, there is no decision on the future of the islands. nomia iqbal, thank ou future of the islands. nomia iqbal, thank you for— future of the islands. nomia iqbal, thank you for that. _ future of the islands. nomia iqbal, thank you for that. there - future of the islands. nomia iqbal, thank you for that. there is - future of the islands. nomia iqbal, thank you for that. there is a - thank you for that. there is a pattern here, ayesha, as to what we have been talking about, isn't there? the uk has wanted to clean up these tax havens a long time and have not done so and you have to ask why. it have not done so and you have to ask wh . , , have not done so and you have to ask why. it loops back to those earlier conversations _ why. it loops back to those earlier conversations about _ why. it loops back to those earlier conversations about russian - why. it loops back to those earlier. conversations about russian money, dirty money— conversations about russian money, dirty money being laundered through london i_ dirty money being laundered through london. i think there has been a financial— london. i think there has been a financial strategic financial advantage to that, and i was really struck— advantage to that, and i was really struck by— advantage to that, and i was really struck by listening to some of the members — struck by listening to some of the members of the local community will somebody— members of the local community will somebody make a powerful point. i actually _ somebody make a powerful point. i actually have a friend working out
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there _ actually have a friend working out there at _ actually have a friend working out there at the moment, and i think a lot of— there at the moment, and i think a lot of local— there at the moment, and i think a lot of local people are frustrated by the _ lot of local people are frustrated by the corruption and they want to clean _ by the corruption and they want to clean it up. — by the corruption and they want to clean it up, but they also want to have _ clean it up, but they also want to have agency. it feels so old—fashioned and outdated when you look at _ old—fashioned and outdated when you look at how _ old—fashioned and outdated when you look at how the world is moving on, when _ look at how the world is moving on, when you _ look at how the world is moving on, when you look at us having a big conversation about our history and our past _ conversation about our history and our past and empire, for us to sweep inand— our past and empire, for us to sweep inand say. _ our past and empire, for us to sweep in and say, we're going to do direct rule and _ in and say, we're going to do direct rule and just, particularly by the way we — rule and just, particularly by the way we have our own prime minister who is— way we have our own prime minister who is inconsiderable trouble in terms _ who is inconsiderable trouble in terms of law—abiding himself. yes, terms of law-abiding himself. yes, ou make terms of law-abiding himself. yes, you make an _ terms of law-abiding himself. yes, you make an interesting _ terms of law—abiding himself. .e:3 you make an interesting gesture position. there are real concerns in america by what is happening in the british virgin islands, and it is the us drug enforcement community that has been taking a further interest. does it surprise you? lanthem interest. does it surprise you? when ou hear interest. does it surprise you? when you hear about _ interest. does it surprise you? when you hear about a _ interest. does it surprise you? when you hear about a premier— interest. does it surprise you? large". you hear about a premier being arrested for drug smuggling, that is arrested for drug smuggling, that is a headline you will see every day
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evenin a headline you will see every day even in our crazy politics in america these days, so it is not a front table topic politically except maybe at the state department, but people are paying attention and looking forward to what the next steps will be there, and in london. interesting. in the united states, the midterm season is upon us, and there are some very important republican primaries coming up, the first tomorrow in ohio. it's a big test for former president donald trump, as his chosen candidate bids to become the republican nominee in the senate election in ohio. his name isjd vance, who supposedly has the president's endorsement over his challenger and former state treasurer josh mandel. ordoes he? and you know, if i lost one race, - they'd say, "trump was humiliated!" that's what they're waiting for. they're waiting for one race. you know, we've endorsed dr oz, we've endorsed jp, right? - jd mandel. and he's doing great. they're all doing good, they're all doing good. | and let's see what happens, but if i lose one race... - we have so many races that
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we're leading by a lot. - j.p.! j.p. !jaidee! let's bring in anthony zurcher, who is heading up to ohio for the primary tomorrow. jd mandel! . ., , ., , , to ohio for the primary tomorrow. jd mandel! . ., , , ., mandel! yeah, obviously some sort of combination — mandel! yeah, obviously some sort of combination of _ mandel! yeah, obviously some sort of combination of multiple _ mandel! yeah, obviously some sort of combination of multiple candidates. i combination of multiple candidates. he was— combination of multiple candidates. he was actually— combination of multiple candidates. he was actually the _ combination of multiple candidates. he was actually the guy, _ combination of multiple candidates. he was actually the guy, josh - he was actually the guy, josh mandel. _ he was actually the guy, josh mandel, that— he was actually the guy, josh mandel, that a _ he was actually the guy, josh mandel, that a lot _ he was actually the guy, josh mandel, that a lot of - he was actually the guy, josh mandel, that a lot of the - mandel, that a lot of the traditional— mandel, that a lot of the | traditional conservatives, mandel, that a lot of the - traditional conservatives, antitax conservatives. _ traditional conservatives, antitax conservatives, were _ traditional conservatives, antitax conservatives, were hoping - traditional conservatives, antitax conservatives, were hoping thati conservatives, were hoping that donald — conservatives, were hoping that donald trump _ conservatives, were hoping that donald trump would _ conservatives, were hoping that donald trump would endorse, l conservatives, were hoping that. donald trump would endorse, and there _ donald trump would endorse, and there was— donald trump would endorse, and there was a — donald trump would endorse, and there was a mini _ donald trump would endorse, and there was a mini rebellion - donald trump would endorse, and there was a mini rebellion when i donald trump would endorse, and there was a mini rebellion when it| there was a mini rebellion when it seemed _ there was a mini rebellion when it seemed like — there was a mini rebellion when it seemed like donald _ there was a mini rebellion when it seemed like donald trump- there was a mini rebellion when it seemed like donald trump was. there was a mini rebellion when it- seemed like donald trump was about to endorse _ seemed like donald trump was about to endorse vance, _ seemed like donald trump was about to endorse vance, obviously - to endorse vance, obviously unsuccessful, _ to endorse vance, obviously unsuccessful, so _ to endorse vance, obviously unsuccessful, so that - to endorse vance, obviouslyi unsuccessful, so that may be to endorse vance, obviously - unsuccessful, so that may be sitting in the _ unsuccessful, so that may be sitting in the back— unsuccessful, so that may be sitting in the back of— unsuccessful, so that may be sitting in the back of donald trump's - unsuccessful, so that may be sitting in the back of donald trump's had . in the back of donald trump's had and it— in the back of donald trump's had and itjust — in the back of donald trump's had and itjust popped _ in the back of donald trump's had and itjust popped out _ in the back of donald trump's had and itjust popped out when - in the back of donald trump's had and itjust popped out when he i in the back of donald trump's had. and itjust popped out when he was speaking _ and itjust popped out when he was speaking at — and itjust popped out when he was speaking at that _ and itjust popped out when he was speaking at that rally. _ and itjust popped out when he was speaking at that rally.— speaking at that rally. penny for the thoughts — speaking at that rally. penny for the thoughts of _ speaking at that rally. penny for the thoughts 0ij _ speaking at that rally. penny for the thoughts 0ij vance! - speaking at that rally. penny for the thoughts 0ij vance! that i speaking at that rally. penny for| the thoughts 0ij vance! that is the thoughts ofjd vance! that is just what you want, isn't it? all your campaign literature is gone out, 2a hours before the vote and the president forget your name! the
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reali the president forget your name! iia: reality with the president forget your name! tia: reality with donald the president forget your name! i““i2 reality with donald trump, you never know if that was a or something he did on purpose...— did on purpose... laughter sread did on purpose... laughter spread the _ did on purpose... laughter spread the bets _ did on purpose... laughter spread the bets wide! - did on purpose... laughter spread the bets wide! do - did on purpose... laughter| spread the bets wide! do you did on purpose... laughter- spread the bets wide! do you think there is a little bit of that? do you think he could not pick the right candidate he wanted? certainly, those were the two he was trying to choose from, and just surprised he did not make it more of a reality show process, but what we have seen with trumpet some people he has endorsed have done well. another cases, they have done terribly. mo brooks was doing terribly. mo brooks was doing terribly in alabama, so he pulled his endorsement.— his endorsement. let's have a look at the polls. _ his endorsement. let's have a look at the polls, we'll— his endorsement. let's have a look at the polls, we'll see _ his endorsement. let's have a look at the polls, we'll see how- his endorsement. let's have a look at the polls, we'll see how tight . his endorsement. let's have a look at the polls, we'll see how tight it | at the polls, we'll see how tight it is going to be tomorrow, so there you seejd vance with or without the president's endorsement — and he does have the endorsement — at 23%, so he is ahead of mandel. matt dolan is the one of those three did not
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want the endorsement at all, he think republicans need to go another way. many in the buckeye state don't know which way they're going to vote. and when you put on top of that a plus or minus of 8%, the margin of error that there is in the state, this could go anyway this race is very much wide open. obviously vance has the momentum of late, obviously vance has the momentum of late. there _ obviously vance has the momentum of late. there is _ obviously vance has the momentum of late. there is a — obviously vance has the momentum of late, there is a lot— obviously vance has the momentum of late, there is a lot of— obviously vance has the momentum of late, there is a lot of outside _ late, there is a lot of outside money— late, there is a lot of outside money coming into - late, there is a lot of outside money coming into helping l late, there is a lot of outside . money coming into helping get late, there is a lot of outside - money coming into helping get on the air. he _ money coming into helping get on the air. he has— money coming into helping get on the air. he has been— money coming into helping get on the air, he has been pushing _ money coming into helping get on the air, he has been pushing that- money coming into helping get on the air, he has been pushing that trump. air, he has been pushing that trump endorsement. — air, he has been pushing that trump endorsement, trying _ air, he has been pushing that trump endorsement, trying to— air, he has been pushing that trump endorsement, trying to get- air, he has been pushing that trump endorsement, trying to get in- air, he has been pushing that trump endorsement, trying to get in fronti endorsement, trying to get in front of people use — endorsement, trying to get in front of people use that to help - of people use that to help that, boost _ of people use that to help that, boost to support, _ of people use that to help that, boost to support, but if - of people use that to help that, boost to support, but if the - boost to support, but if the undecideds_ boost to support, but if the undecideds break— boost to support, but if the i undecideds break against him, boost to support, but if the - undecideds break against him, or if the pro-trump— undecideds break against him, or if the pro—trump vote _ undecideds break against him, or if the pro—trump vote gets _ undecideds break against him, or if the pro—trump vote gets divided i undecideds break against him, or ifi the pro—trump vote gets divided and mike dolan — the pro—trump vote gets divided and mike dolan and _ the pro—trump vote gets divided and mike dolan and sub— the pro—trump vote gets divided and mike dolan and sub being _ the pro—trump vote gets divided and mike dolan and sub being the one i mike dolan and sub being the one anti-trump. — mike dolan and sub being the one anti—trump, because _ mike dolan and sub being the one anti—trump, because anti—trump,| anti—trump, because anti—trump, maybe _ anti—trump, because anti—trump, maybe he — anti—trump, because anti—trump, maybe he could _ anti—trump, because anti—trump, maybe he could sneak— anti—trump, because anti—trump, maybe he could sneak in, get- maybe he could sneak in, get a plurality — maybe he could sneak in, get a plurality vote _ maybe he could sneak in, get a plurality vote —— _ maybe he could sneak in, get a plurality vote —— the _ why quasi—anti— trump. certainly more _ why quasi—anti— trump. certainly more pro — why quasi—anti— trump. certainly more pro trump _ why quasi—anti— trump. certainly more pro trump than _ why quasi—anti— trump. certainly more pro trump than rob - why quasi—anti— trump. certainly i more pro trump than rob portman, former— more pro trump than rob portman,
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former trade — more pro trump than rob portman, former trade official— more pro trump than rob portman, former trade official and _ more pro trump than rob portman, former trade official and current- former trade official and current senator. — former trade official and current senator. who— former trade official and current senator, who is— former trade official and current senator, who is leaving - former trade official and current senator, who is leaving in - former trade official and current senator, who is leaving in part. senator, who is leaving in part because — senator, who is leaving in part because he _ senator, who is leaving in part because he opposed _ senator, who is leaving in part because he opposed trump . senator, who is leaving in partl because he opposed trump and senator, who is leaving in part- because he opposed trump and voted for his— because he opposed trump and voted for his impeachment. _ because he opposed trump and voted for his impeachment. ohio _ because he opposed trump and voted for his impeachment.— for his impeachment. ohio very much in the red column, _ for his impeachment. ohio very much in the red column, which _ for his impeachment. ohio very much in the red column, which is _ for his impeachment. ohio very much in the red column, which is why - for his impeachment. ohio very much in the red column, which is why this | in the red column, which is why this is so important tomorrow. just a quick one on dr oz in pennsylvania, a couple of weeks away, but no and with trumpet�*s endorsement. that is whyjd vance is so interesting, because if you were to lose in these two big senate races, that might start taking questions about the former president.— former president. yeah, this is auoin to former president. yeah, this is going to be _ former president. yeah, this is going to be a _ former president. yeah, this is going to be a big _ former president. yeah, this is going to be a big question - former president. yeah, this is going to be a big question on l former president. yeah, this is i going to be a big question on that test for— going to be a big question on that test for him — going to be a big question on that test for him in _ going to be a big question on that test for him in may— going to be a big question on that test for him in may —— _ going to be a big question on that test for him in may —— begging. test for him in may —— begging guestion _ test for him in may —— begging question he— test for him in may —— begging question. he wants _ test for him in may —— begging question. he wants to - test for him in may —— begging question. he wants to be - test for him in may —— begging question. he wants to be seenj test for him in may —— begging i question. he wants to be seen as picking _ question. he wants to be seen as picking winners, _ question. he wants to be seen as picking winners, being _ question. he wants to be seen asi picking winners, being kingmaker, question. he wants to be seen as - picking winners, being kingmaker, in georgia, herschel— picking winners, being kingmaker, in georgia, herschelwalker_ picking winners, being kingmaker, in georgia, herschel walker looks - picking winners, being kingmaker, in georgia, herschel walker looks like i georgia, herschel walker looks like he is going — georgia, herschel walker looks like he is going to — georgia, herschel walker looks like he is going to win— georgia, herschel walker looks like he is going to win in— georgia, herschel walker looks like he is going to win in a _ georgia, herschel walker looks like he is going to win in a lock, - georgia, herschel walker looks like he is going to win in a lock, but - georgia, herschel walker looks like he is going to win in a lock, but hei he is going to win in a lock, but he has opposed — he is going to win in a lock, but he has opposed the _ he is going to win in a lock, but he has opposed the governor- he is going to win in a lock, but he has opposed the governor camped he is going to win in a lock, but he - has opposed the governor camped down there. _ has opposed the governor camped down there. who _ has opposed the governor camped down there. who he _ has opposed the governor camped down there, who he said did _ has opposed the governor camped down there, who he said did not _ there, who he said did not sufficiently help _ there, who he said did not sufficiently help him - there, who he said did not sufficiently help him in - there, who he said did not - sufficiently help him in challenging joe bideh's— sufficiently help him in challenging joe biden's when _ sufficiently help him in challenging joe biden's when in _ sufficiently help him in challenging
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joe biden's when in georgia, - sufficiently help him in challenging joe biden's when in georgia, and l sufficiently help him in challenging| joe biden's when in georgia, and in the psyche — joe biden's when in georgia, and in the psyche witi— joe biden's when in georgia, and in the psyche will cruise _ joe biden's when in georgia, and in the psyche will cruise to _ the psyche will cruise to renomination _ the psyche will cruise to renomination there, - the psyche will cruise to renomination there, sol the psyche will cruise to - renomination there, so there are the psyche will cruise to _ renomination there, so there are a lot renomination there, so there are a tot of— renomination there, so there are a lot of different _ renomination there, so there are a lot of different factors _ renomination there, so there are a lot of different factors here. - lot of different factors here. peopte _ lot of different factors here. peopte at _ lot of different factors here. people at the _ lot of different factors here. people at the end _ lot of different factors here. people at the end of- lot of different factors here. people at the end of the - lot of different factors here. | people at the end of the day lot of different factors here. - people at the end of the day might look people at the end of the day might took and _ people at the end of the day might took and say, — people at the end of the day might look and say, donald _ people at the end of the day might look and say, donald trump's - look and say, donald trump's endorsement _ look and say, donald trump's endorsement is _ look and say, donald trump's endorsement is night, - look and say, donald trump's i endorsement is night, probably look and say, donald trump's - endorsement is night, probably helps with fundraising, _ endorsement is night, probably helps with fundraising, but _ endorsement is night, probably helps with fundraising, but it _ endorsement is night, probably helps with fundraising, but it is— endorsement is night, probably helps with fundraising, but it is not- endorsement is night, probably helps with fundraising, but it is not the - with fundraising, but it is not the kiss of— with fundraising, but it is not the kiss of death _ with fundraising, but it is not the kiss of death like _ with fundraising, but it is not the kiss of death like a _ with fundraising, but it is not the kiss of death like a lot _ with fundraising, but it is not the kiss of death like a lot of- with fundraising, but it is not the kiss of death like a lot of people | kiss of death like a lot of people thought it — kiss of death like a lot of people thought it would be _ kiss of death like a lot of people thought it would be if— kiss of death like a lot of people thought it would be if he - kiss of death like a lot of people thought it would be if he turns l thought it would be if he turns against — thought it would be if he turns against you _ thought it would be if he turns against you in— thought it would be if he turns against you in the _ thought it would be if he turns against you in the past. - thought it would be if he turns against you in the past.- thought it would be if he turns against you in the past. doug, can i talk to you — against you in the past. doug, can i talk to you about _ against you in the past. doug, can i talk to you about the _ against you in the past. doug, can i talk to you about the former - against you in the past. doug, can i. talk to you about the former defence secretary mark esper? the quotes in this book are quite disturbing. he says when the black lives matter protest around the white house in 2020 about round the killing of george floyd, that donald trump raised the idea of shooting these protesters. "can't you just shoot them," is the quote, shoot them in them," is the quote, shoot them in the legs or something, and apparently these quotes were heard by others in the room and backed this up. and we have had similar accounts and quotes in the book written byjournalist michael bender. what do you make of this? unfortunately, it is not surprising
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that donald trump would say that. it was a very scary time in washington. i had friends who were there, who dealt with tear gas, who are protesting peacefully. i can only imagine what would've happened if any gunfire had happened at that. we would've seen the nation, so often trying to tear itself apart, as we saw with january 6, do so in a more intense way. any consequences would be massive for the country as a whole, but also for the images and the attitudes that we send a broad. yeah, it is interesting, isn't it, ayesha? you have these images, these quotes, you have a grand jury in georgia with allegations he was looking just to the election there, and yet look at ohio and 60% of voters in the buckeye state wanting to run again. voters in the buckeye state wanting to run again-— to run again. america is hugely divided. the — to run again. america is hugely divided. the comments, - to run again. america is hugely divided. the comments, the i to run again. america is hugely - divided. the comments, the alleged
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comments. — divided. the comments, the alleged comments, they are pretty despicable, but not exactly surprising and very on branford donald — surprising and very on branford donald trump. he did use race retations— donald trump. he did use race relations as a real flair point in the culture _ relations as a real flair point in the culture wars —— very on branford~ _ the culture wars —— very on branford. he is a man who thrives off hate. — branford. he is a man who thrives off hate, the culture wars, and a divided _ off hate, the culture wars, and a divided country, so that is very much — divided country, so that is very much his— divided country, so that is very much his game plan, so i am not at all surprised — much his game plan, so i am not at all surprised many people do want him to— all surprised many people do want him to run — all surprised many people do want him to run. i think one of the great successes— him to run. i think one of the great successes of— him to run. i think one of the great successes of his time in office, i don't think— successes of his time in office, i don't think there were that many successes, — don't think there were that many successes, one of his legacies is this very— successes, one of his legacies is this very raw divided country, particularly on the social issues, particular— particularly on the social issues, particular on things like race, but it is interesting that he was saying we should — it is interesting that he was saying we should shoot protesters after a very virtual medic incidents, and yet there — very virtual medic incidents, and yet there he was refusing to acknowledge she had lost the election— acknowledge she had lost the election and definitely contributing to this _
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election and definitely contributing to this very fiery atmosphere which because _ to this very fiery atmosphere which because those riots —— very, very true _ because those riots —— very, very true nredic— because those riots —— very, very true medic incident. anthony, do stay with us. there is a very important story coming up. there are some pretty old birds around the us capitol, but there is one stalking the public footpaths on the anacostia river trail that's got everyone in a right old flap. it's a wild turkey that is terrorising people, so much so that six different federal agencies are hunting it down — a hard target search of every gas station, henhouse, outhouse and doghouse in the area. more than a dozen people have been attacked so far. some have needed urgent medical care, tetanus shots and antibiotics after being pecked and slashed by the bird's show claws. the wild gobblers are pretty territorial — not unlike the senators up on the hill — and they can be pretty scary. take a look at this poor cyclist trying to fend one off!
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get away from me! get out! wild turkey, man! laughter not giving up! doug, they run at 25 mph, wild turkeys. once those drumsticks are pumping, they are fairly shift! the drumsticks are pumping, they are fairl shift! . ., , , fairly shift! the crazy thing is we have 'ust fairly shift! the crazy thing is we have just recovered _ fairly shift! the crazy thing is we have just recovered from - fairly shift! the crazy thing is we have just recovered from a - fairly shift! the crazy thing is we | have just recovered from a whole fairly shift! the crazy thing is we - have just recovered from a whole fox issue in washington, dc, where you had rabid foxes on capitol hill that it people and i have seen wild foxes in london — that was new in washington. and wild turkeys, people are really freaked out about wildlife in washington right now! it wildlife in washington right now! it is feral in washington! you are going to have to watch it on your way home, anthony.— going to have to watch it on your way home, anthony. growing up in texas, i way home, anthony. growing up in texas. i was _ way home, anthony. growing up in texas, i was attacked _ way home, anthony. growing up in texas, i was attacked by _ way home, anthony. growing up in texas, i was attacked by a - way home, anthony. growing up in| texas, i was attacked by a domestic into turkey— texas, i was attacked by a domestic into turkey once, _ texas, i was attacked by a domestic into turkey once, and _ texas, i was attacked by a domestic into turkey once, and they - texas, i was attacked by a domestic into turkey once, and they are - into turkey once, and they are pretty nrean. _ into turkey once, and they are pretty mean. so— into turkey once, and they are
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pretty mean, so i— into turkey once, and they are pretty mean, so i can - into turkey once, and they are pretty mean, so i can imagine| into turkey once, and they are i pretty mean, so i can imagine a into turkey once, and they are - pretty mean, so i can imagine a wild one would _ pretty mean, so i can imagine a wild one would be — pretty mean, so i can imagine a wild one would be mean! _ pretty mean, so i can imagine a wild one would be mean! they— pretty mean, so i can imagine a wild one would be mean! they can - pretty mean, so i can imagine a wild one would be mean! they can be - one would be mean! they can be aggressively— one would be mean! they can be aggressively want— one would be mean! they can be aggressively want to _ one would be mean! they can be aggressively want to be. - one would be mean! they can be aggressively want to be. we - one would be mean! they can be aggressively want to be. we have raccoons and possums _ aggressively want to be. we have raccoons and possums on capitol| raccoons and possums on capitol hill... ~ ., ., , ., ., hill... we will do a full programme next week. — hill... we will do a full programme next week. we _ hill. .. we will do a full programme next week, we will— hill... we will do a full programme next week, we will get _ hill... we will do a full programme next week, we will get you - hill... we will do a full programme next week, we will get you back! i next week, we will get you back! doug, ayesha, anthony, thank you. see you tomorrow. good evening. bank holiday weekend is coming to a close. it has been a cloudy affair for many. still stunning at times. take a look at this amazing weather watcher picture sent in from edinburgh. but you can see the cloud at times was fairly threatening. there were a few isolated showers in eastern scotland. best of the sunshine through lincolnshire and cambridgeshire throughout monday afternoon, and in fact, temperatures here around 16 or 17, but you can see it was the exception, rather than the rule. the emphasis with the cloud and a few scattered showers from time to time. now, through this evening and overnight, we keep the cloud going and the risk of a few showers as well. a northerly breeze and slightly clearer skies into the far north—east of scotland. here, temperatures will fall down to low single figures, but elsewhere, it's going to be
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a mild start to tuesday, frost—free here. so, another grey start as well. and the cloud will be thick enough for a few showers first thing in the morning, particularly across scottish borders and then running down through the north—east of england and as we go through the afternoon, some through the midlands, down into wales and south—west england, may well turn heavy and thundery. a good deal of dry weather for most of us, however. brighter skies from time to time, so highest values once again in the sunshine of 17, just that little bit cooler along the far north—east coast. we've still got weather fronts toppling across the high through the middle part of the week, still running the risk of some showers. we start off with showers moving out of scotland into the north of england. by the middle part of the afternoon, those showers will drive in through wales, central and south—east england, with the best of any brighter weather further north and west. it will still be quite warm, though, down to the south, hence the reason for the thunderstorms, and temperatures may well peak into the high teens. now, we've got one or two fronts
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to clear away towards the end of the weekend and then into the weekend, high pressure is set to build in behind, quietening things down once again. so, no significant rain for the gardeners or growers across central and southern england, and in fact, with the wind direction coming from a south—westerly, on the whole, for the bulk of england and wales and northern ireland, it will stay on the warm side. so, yes, we've got the risk of some rain on friday with that front, but once it clears through and the high pressure builds, dry, settled, sunny and warm for many.
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tonight, hundreds of civilians — including children — are still trapped in the steel plant in the southern ukrainian city of mariupol as a ceasefire breaks down. some of those who managed to escape yesterday said living conditions inside the complex were brutal. translation: for a month we were eating - _ over a0 of us — six food tins. we boiled two buckets of soup out of them, and that was it for the whole day. as russian troops try to advance in the east of the country, they're meeting fierce ukrainian resistance they're pushing slowly forwards against this town and a dozen others in the donbas region, but there's still no sign that the kremlin's forces are about to deliver some
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kind of knockout blow. we'll bring you the latest.

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