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hello and welcome to the programme that brings together leading uk columnists, bbc specialists and the foreign correspondents who write, blog and broadcast to audiences back home from the dateline — london. it's been a week either of sequels — or of re—runs. in the uk, we're waiting for sue grey — again — and her reporting on partying in government whilst the country was in covid lockdown. borisjohnson and the european commission are wrestling over northern ireland post—brest — again. covid surges and an authoritarian government in asia locks down — again — and polling made australia's politicians nervous about the outcome of this weekend's election —
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yes, you guessed it — again. in the studio are janet daley — american by birth, british by choice — whose weekly column appears in the sunday telegraph, the irishjournalist suzanne lynch, who writes for the politicos brussels playbook and newly returned from filming in cambodia, the bbc�*s asia—pacific editor, celia hatton. welcome to all of you. thanks for coming in. let's begin with party gate. the fines are written and there over, they will be any more now. is borisjohnson�*s leadership secure, do you think was meant for the moment yes, but that's heavily he added. i the moment yes, but that's heavily he added. ., �* . he added. i don't agree with the eo - le he added. i don't agree with the peeple who _ he added. i don't agree with the peeple who say _ he added. i don't agree with the people who say this _ he added. i don't agree with the people who say this is _ he added. i don't agree with the people who say this is all- he added. i don't agree with the people who say this is all about | he added. i don't agree with the - people who say this is all about 0k, why are we talking about cake when there's a war on and an injury crisis at all that. i don't think that's very convincing. there are people who will never, ever forget this incident because they had life—changing bereavement, peoples parents died without being able to visit them. grandparents who that
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guy who got the seed newborn grandchildren carpal things happen. those people will never forget. there's a wider sense in which there's a impression of shambolic irresponsibility in downing street. that's going to lie there quietly until it revives again. i think they are going to have to be very careful to see to that that impression of jocularity and irresponsibility, of having laid down rules which were... i dislike most of those rooms anyway, they were incomprehensible, contradictory, incoherent but a lot of people obey them. and they didn't, apparently. and it's not just about the birthday incident either. there is talk, we know that borisjohnson and his wife held social gatherings at zero department. but the idea that the people that made those rules were cheerfully perhaps in a jocular mood disobeying them, that can easily come back to bite him again. {guild
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come back to bite him again. could that be the — come back to bite him again. could that be the big _ come back to bite him again. could that be the big thing _ come back to bite him again. could that be the big thing out _ come back to bite him again. could that be the big thing out of - come back to bite him again. could that be the big thing out of the sue grey report? not the parties and the names, warning people whose they have to respond before the end of this weekend or she's going to name them or give a reason why they should be doing. could it be that that's more damaging if this report paints a picture of a kind of dysfunctional number ten? a place with her was chaos, lack of organisation and ultimately a lack of leadership. it is organisation and ultimately a lack of leadership-— of leadership. it is showing up a lot of the characteristics - of leadership. it is showing up a lot of the characteristics that i lot of the characteristics that critics — lot of the characteristics that critics of— lot of the characteristics that critics of borisjohnson lot of the characteristics that critics of boris johnson have lot of the characteristics that critics of borisjohnson have been saying _ critics of borisjohnson have been saying for— critics of borisjohnson have been saying for years. that's why i think it's politically difficult. i think some — it's politically difficult. i think some of— it's politically difficult. i think some of the heat has been taken out of the _ some of the heat has been taken out of the situation. this is going on for so _ of the situation. this is going on for so long. _ of the situation. this is going on for so long, in a sense, voters have already banked the fact that this is happening. ultimately, the way the political— happening. ultimately, the way the political wind seems to be blowing is that— political wind seems to be blowing is that within his own party boris johnson — is that within his own party boris johnson looks like he's going to survive — johnson looks like he's going to survive this. there is not to be
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that— survive this. there is not to be that push— survive this. there is not to be that push again soon. i think the timing _ that push again soon. i think the timing of— that push again soon. i think the timing of this has been very interesting and it's been very fortuitous for boris johnson, we need _ fortuitous for boris johnson, we need to— fortuitous for boris johnson, we need to see this report is coming during _ need to see this report is coming during next week. lots of speculation about who will be named, how damning will it be be or will it be how damning will it be be or will it he del? _ how damning will it be be or will it he del? i— how damning will it be be or will it be del? i think that might also have an impact— be del? i think that might also have an impact on how this ultimately plays— an impact on how this ultimately plays out — an impact on how this ultimately plays out. if an impact on how this ultimately -la s out. ,, ., .,, an impact on how this ultimately -la sout. ,, ., , plays out. if keir starmer has his own problems — plays out. if keir starmer has his own problems and _ plays out. if keir starmer has his own problems and he _ plays out. if keir starmer has his own problems and he has - plays out. if keir starmer has his own problems and he has made l plays out. if keir starmer has his i own problems and he has made this perhaps a rather foolish unforced error of saying he will resign if he gets a five. now he either gets a fine and he doesn't resign or he gets designate a fine and it doesn't resign or there's a suspicion and police holding back because they don't want to be in the position of putting them out of his job by giving him a fight. it's not a very happy situation for him. he. giving him a fight. it's not a very happy situation for him.- happy situation for him. no. the international _ happy situation for him. no. the international residence, - happy situation for him. no. the international residence, arlen i happy situation for him. no. the | international residence, arlen had his problem in lockdowns ggoo? it his problem in lockdowns ggoo? it did. exactly, the public felt this and it's—
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did. exactly, the public felt this and it's politically difficult territory for politicians with up in ireiand _ territory for politicians with up in ireland there is a controversy about politicians _ ireland there is a controversy about politicians leading to a golf theatre _ politicians leading to a golf theatre and led to a resignation by a commissioner. european commission or let _ a commissioner. european commission or let go _ a commissioner. european commission or let go to— a commissioner. european commission or let go to logan, said he had to reside _ or let go to logan, said he had to reside it's— or let go to logan, said he had to reside. it's very politically difficult. internationally, the story — difficult. internationally, the story got a lot of legs but more hack— story got a lot of legs but more hack in— story got a lot of legs but more back in february, march when he came back in february, march when he came back on— back in february, march when he came back on the _ back in february, march when he came back on the scene. we have pictures on international media, old pictures of boris _ on international media, old pictures of borisjohnson in unserious poses. it of borisjohnson in unserious poses. it hasntm _ of boris johnson in unserious poses. it hasn't- - -— it hasn't. .. are there many of those around? they _ it hasn't. .. are there many of those around? they can _ it hasn't. .. are there many of those around? they can be _ it hasn't. .. are there many of those around? they can be found. - it hasn't. .. are there many of those | around? they can be found. feeding into a _ around? they can be found. feeding into a narrative, right or wrong way about _ into a narrative, right or wrong way about boris — into a narrative, right or wrong way about borisjohnson. so far that has been _ about borisjohnson. so far that has been a _ about borisjohnson. so far that has been a huge media interest over the last few— been a huge media interest over the last few weeks as this is drag on but again— last few weeks as this is drag on but again with these two great report, — but again with these two great report, let's see, it may come back onto— report, let's see, it may come back onto the _ report, let's see, it may come back onto the headlines. has report, let's see, it may come back onto the headlines.— onto the headlines. has it played internationally _ onto the headlines. has it played internationally in _ onto the headlines. has it played internationally in your— onto the headlines. has it played internationally in your region? is| internationally in your region? is there an awareness of it? in internationally in your region? is there an awareness of it? in some countries it _ there an awareness of it? in some countries it is _ there an awareness of it? in some countries it is no _ there an awareness of it? in some countries it is no countries -
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there an awareness of it? in some countries it is no countries would l countries it is no countries would not comment— countries it is no countries would not comment on _ countries it is no countries would not comment on it. _ countries it is no countries would not comment on it. chinese - countries it is no countries would i not comment on it. chinese media have _ not comment on it. chinese media have been— not comment on it. chinese media have been playing _ not comment on it. chinese media have been playing lignite - not comment on it. chinese media have been playing lignite a - not comment on it. chinese media have been playing lignite a little i have been playing lignite a little bit more — have been playing lignite a little bit more attention _ have been playing lignite a little bit more attention to _ have been playing lignite a little bit more attention to boris - have been playing lignite a little i bit more attention to borisjohnson and rules— bit more attention to borisjohnson and rules that _ bit more attention to borisjohnson and rules that have _ bit more attention to borisjohnson and rules that have been— bit more attention to borisjohnson and rules that have been broken. l and rules that have been broken. using that— and rules that have been broken. using that to _ and rules that have been broken. using that to point _ and rules that have been broken. using that to point out, - and rules that have been broken. using that to point out, we - and rules that have been broken. using that to point out, we are l using that to point out, we are enforcing — using that to point out, we are enforcing our— using that to point out, we are enforcing our zero— using that to point out, we are enforcing our zero covid - using that to point out, we are l enforcing our zero covid strategy which _ enforcing our zero covid strategy which is — enforcing our zero covid strategy which is made _ enforcing our zero covid strategy which is made a _ enforcing our zero covid strategy which is made a lot— enforcing our zero covid strategy which is made a lot of— enforcing our zero covid strategy which is made a lot of people - which is made a lot of people miserable _ which is made a lot of people miserable but— which is made a lot of people miserable but at _ which is made a lot of people miserable but at least - which is made a lot of people miserable but at least were l which is made a lot of people - miserable but at least were sticking with it _ miserable but at least were sticking with it you — miserable but at least were sticking with it you got— miserable but at least were sticking with it. you got any— miserable but at least were sticking with it. you got any government - with it. you got any government officials — with it. you got any government officials breaking _ with it. you got any government officials breaking those - with it. you got any government officials breaking those rules. i officials breaking those rules. that's — officials breaking those rules. that's been _ officials breaking those rules. that's been politically- officials breaking those rules. that's been politically usefull officials breaking those rules. i that's been politically useful for some _ that's been politically useful for some government _ that's been politically useful for some government officials. i that's been politically useful fori some government officials. let’s some government officials. let's talk about brexit _ some government officials. let's talk about brexit again. - some government officials. let's talk about brexit again. it's i some government officials.- talk about brexit again. it's been a while since we talked, we bested. the protocol. while since we talked, we bested. the protocol-— while since we talked, we bested. the rotocol. ., ., ., ., the protocol. here we go again. you there is so — the protocol. here we go again. you there is so much _ the protocol. here we go again. you there is so much noise _ the protocol. here we go again. you there is so much noise and drama i there is so much noise and drama attached to this. trade agreements are renegotiated all the time, that nothing new about that. the problem comes when one side is being uncooperative about those negotiations with britain would say that that's what the eu is doing. the whole thing has been so theatrical right from the office of all those visits from eu officials,
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ireland was virtually ignored by the eu until that point except to be bullied into reducing its corporation tax because it was uncompetitive with the rest of the eu. suddenly he was the great star, he must�*ve been thrilled and now we are in this position where were having, sorry to be so partisan but the remaining camp in parliament thought they had found the magic bullet. this was the immovable object, the un—solvable problem for the eu, the business about the hard border in ireland. it's perfectly true that you cannot create a hard border in ireland from the republic. in other words, you can't have customs checks between the ireland and the republic was up with talking about a tiny proportion of trade for most trade is with the uk and not the republic. the most trade is with the uk and not the republic-— most trade is with the uk and not the republic. the whole thing has become so _ the republic. the whole thing has become so overblown _ the republic. the whole thing has become so overblown and - the republic. the whole thing has become so overblown and so i become so overblown and so theatrical. now we have nancy pelosi marching in with their own theatrics
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saying congress won't approve of the trade deal with the us. but she's lucky to be running congress. trio. lucky to be running congress. no, doesn't look _ lucky to be running congress. no, doesn't look like _ lucky to be running congress. no, doesn't look like it at the a democratic you lose control of congress. to be fair he's not in congress, using the us state department and he said on friday we want to see this issue resolved and we want to see temperature lowered and we don't want unilateral actions or in other words, they don't want the british tearing up as they are threatening to do.— threatening to do. they are threatening. _ threatening to do. they are threatening. the _ threatening to do. they are threatening. the idea i threatening to do. they are threatening. the idea thatl threatening to do. they are - threatening. the idea that anybody at this point in time with the war going on in the ukraine and with dreadful cost of living emergency occurring all over the west, not just here, the idea that anybody would tear up in agreement and provoke a trade war is insane. it could happen. it's like a prelude to the first world war. truth? could happen. it's like a prelude to the first world war.— the first world war. why of the british government _ the first world war. why of the british government doing i the first world war. why of the british government doing that? j the first world war. why of the l british government doing that? it the first world war. why of the i british government doing that? it is it et. i
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british government doing that? it is it yet- i am rrot _ british government doing that? it 3 it yet. i am not saying it will open at the moment it isn't this is all noise. �* �* , , , at the moment it isn't this is all noise. �* �* ,, , .,, noise. i'm in brussels, iwas in washington for _ noise. i'm in brussels, iwas in washington for the _ noise. i'm in brussels, iwas in washington for the last - noise. i'm in brussels, iwas in washington for the last two i noise. i'm in brussels, i was in i washington for the last two years and the _ washington for the last two years and the number one mistake some members — and the number one mistake some members of the british government make _ members of the british government make my— members of the british government make izzy think the us doesn't know anything _ make izzy think the us doesn't know anything about this. those figures in congress are following it very much _ in congress are following it very much in — in congress are following it very much in detail. they know it's going on in terms — much in detail. they know it's going on in terms of the northern ireland protocoi _ on in terms of the northern ireland protocoi in — on in terms of the northern ireland protocol. in terms of brussels, nobody — protocol. in terms of brussels, nobody in _ protocol. in terms of brussels, nobody in brussels want to talk about _ nobody in brussels want to talk about brexit. they have moved on, ukraine _ about brexit. they have moved on, ukraine more, try to get their own coherent— ukraine more, try to get their own coherent position on that. so the eu member— coherent position on that. so the eu member states were happy to let the commission do the negotiations and then there _ commission do the negotiations and then there was a truce before the northern— then there was a truce before the northern island election now the last northern island election now the iast week— northern island election now the last week this is completely changed. the eu commissioner, he breathed _ changed. the eu commissioner, he breathed eu ambassadors on wednesday after the _ breathed eu ambassadors on wednesday after the announcement by liz truss. his announcement that the government will legislate unless it can get renegotiated.— will legislate unless it can get reneaotiated. , �* ., , renegotiated. they didn't actually le . islate renegotiated. they didn't actually legislate yet- _ renegotiated. they didn't actually legislate yet. the _ renegotiated. they didn't actually legislate yet. the big _ renegotiated. they didn't actually legislate yet. the big question i renegotiated. they didn't actually legislate yet. the big question is| legislate yet. the big question is this by—
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legislate yet. the big question is this by martine? that was it. officials _ this by martine? that was it. officials are saying what he does -et officials are saying what he does get series is when that bill is tabled — get series is when that bill is tabled and if and when it is passed, which _ tabled and if and when it is passed, which could — tabled and if and when it is passed, which could take months. there is a window— which could take months. there is a window of— which could take months. there is a window of opportunity for more negotiation. customs are the main issue _ negotiation. customs are the main issue and — negotiation. customs are the main issue and customs are the main issue for the _ issue and customs are the main issue for the community to enact years community. liz truss spoke about the european _ community. liz truss spoke about the european court ofjustice and that at all— european court ofjustice and that at all these other bigger issues there's— at all these other bigger issues there's prosperity finish. if i think— there's prosperity finish. if i think the _ there's prosperity finish. if i think the two sides can keep it on the customs issue, is a strong possibility— the customs issue, is a strong possibility that they'll. .. the customs issue, is a strong possibility that they'll... it the customs issue, is a strong possibility that they'll. .. it has been already _ possibility that they'll. .. it has been already resolved - possibility that they'll. .. it has been already resolved on i possibility that they'll. .. it has i been already resolved on medicines, they will be no checks on medicine. it's perfectly possible and animals too. the importation of live animals. there's no reason why this can't be resolved, is become a vanity issue. can't be resolved, is become a vanity issue-— can't be resolved, is become a vanity issue. can't be resolved, is become a vani issue. ., , , , vanity issue. the other issue is the dup, the unionist _ vanity issue. the other issue is the dup, the unionist party _ vanity issue. the other issue is the dup, the unionist party in - vanity issue. the other issue is the j dup, the unionist party in northern island _ dup, the unionist party in northern island are — dup, the unionist party in northern island are saying they won't go into powershare at a problem. i've heard people _ powershare at a problem. i've heard people saying that the british
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government instead of trying to bring _ government instead of trying to bring the — government instead of trying to bring the dup along have kind of riled it _ bring the dup along have kind of riled it up — bring the dup along have kind of riled it up as an issue and that they— riled it up as an issue and that they are — riled it up as an issue and that they are taking their side. that's one way— they are taking their side. that's one way of— they are taking their side. that's one way of seeing that. the other issue _ one way of seeing that. the other issue about — one way of seeing that. the other issue about customs, it's only a few sausages, people say was a big deal, the problem is in the longer term as britain, _ the problem is in the longer term as britain, as— the problem is in the longer term as britain, as years go on and britain diverges— britain, as years go on and britain diverges from eu standards and to sides— diverges from eu standards and to sides with — diverges from eu standards and to sides with trade deals with america or australia then you can have completely different products. that's — completely different products. that's when they'll be in issue for the eu, _ that's when they'll be in issue for the eu, that these will get them to northern— the eu, that these will get them to northern ireland and then across the border— northern ireland and then across the border two _ northern ireland and then across the border two border. that northern ireland and then across the border two border.— border two border. that raises concerns for _ border two border. that raises concerns for other _ border two border. that raises concerns for other countries i border two border. that raises l concerns for other countries that trade with europe around the world to get nervous about this kind of talk of divergence because they worry about if we doing trade with the uk, what are the implications for us in securing a trade relationship with your? absolutely. it's reall , relationship with your? absolutely. it's really, were _ relationship with your? absolutely. it's really, were going _ relationship with your? absolutely. it's really, were going to _ relationship with your? absolutely. it's really, were going to have i relationship with your? absolutely. it's really, were going to have to i it's really, were going to have to see how— it's really, were going to have to see how this— it's really, were going to have to see how this unfolds. _ it's really, were going to have to see how this unfolds. as - it's really, were going to have to see how this unfolds. as the uk| see how this unfolds. as the uk starts _ see how this unfolds. as the uk starts to— see how this unfolds. as the uk starts to talk— see how this unfolds. as the uk starts to talk to _ see how this unfolds. as the uk starts to talk to more _ see how this unfolds. as the uk starts to talk to more countriesl see how this unfolds. as the uk i starts to talk to more countries and starts _ starts to talk to more countries and starts to _ starts to talk to more countries and starts to try — starts to talk to more countries and starts to try to _ starts to talk to more countries and
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starts to try to hash _ starts to talk to more countries and starts to try to hash surgery- starts to talk to more countries and starts to try to hash surgery deals i starts to try to hash surgery deals with more — starts to try to hash surgery deals with more countries, of— starts to try to hash surgery deals with more countries, of course i with more countries, of course it's going _ with more countries, of course it's going to _ with more countries, of course it's going to be — with more countries, of course it's going to be a _ with more countries, of course it's going to be a big _ with more countries, of course it's going to be a big issue. _ with more countries, of course it's going to be a big issue. i- with more countries, of course it's going to be a big issue.— going to be a big issue. i think the long-term. _ going to be a big issue. i think the long-term. it _ going to be a big issue. i think the long-term, it is _ going to be a big issue. i think the long-term, it is a _ going to be a big issue. i think the long-term, it is a conundrum i going to be a big issue. i think the i long-term, it is a conundrum of this long—term, it is a conundrum of this border— long—term, it is a conundrum of this border issue — long—term, it is a conundrum of this border issue for the people have been _ border issue for the people have been telling me this week why they are particularly annoyed is because it's not— are particularly annoyed is because it's not like — are particularly annoyed is because it's not like there's a new government and britain, it's who signed _ government and britain, it's who signed the — government and britain, it's who signed the deal. their view is that the prime — signed the deal. their view is that the prime minister was cynical, he wanted _ the prime minister was cynical, he wanted to— the prime minister was cynical, he wanted to deal, you want to brexit done _ wanted to deal, you want to brexit done and _ wanted to deal, you want to brexit done and knew that these problems are air— done and knew that these problems are air and — done and knew that these problems are air and he done and knew that these problems are airand hejust done and knew that these problems are air and he just put his head in the sand — are air and he 'ust put his head in the sand. . ., ., , are air and he 'ust put his head in the sand. . . ., , ., are air and he 'ust put his head in the sand. . ., ., , ., ., the sand. the alternative was a no deal leaving _ the sand. the alternative was a no deal leaving without _ the sand. the alternative was a no deal leaving without a _ the sand. the alternative was a no deal leaving without a deal. i the sand. the alternative was a no deal leaving without a deal. that l deal leaving without a deal. that was the impossible choice that this kind of remainder eu alliance presented him with. so he took what he did regard as an unsatisfactory deal, hoping that it could be renegotiated afterwards with them and that may yet come to pass. tresa ma have and that may yet come to pass. tresa may have another _ and that may yet come to pass. tresa may have another proposal. - and that may yet come to pass. tresa may have another proposal. there was another _ may have another proposal. there was another option for the people are saying _ another option for the people are saying we — another option for the people are saying we cannot sign an agreement if somebody says actually, in a few years _ if somebody says actually, in a few years we _ if somebody says actually, in a few years we don't agree with us. who knows maybe _ years we don't agree with us. who knows maybe it — years we don't agree with us. who knows maybe it will _ years we don't agree with us. iffi�*uf? knows maybe it will be
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years we don't agree with us. i'o"u;r> knows maybe it will be third years we don't agree with us. 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world that has no vaccination program. it's also the first i world that has no vaccination i program. it's also the first country in the _ program. it's also the first country in the world — program. it's also the first country in the world that _ program. it's also the first country in the world that closed _ program. it's also the first country in the world that closed its - program. it's also the first country| in the world that closed its borders completely— in the world that closed its borders completely when _ in the world that closed its borders completely when china _ in the world that closed its borders completely when china first - completely when china first announced _ completely when china first announced that _ completely when china first announced that it _ completely when china first announced that it had - completely when china first announced that it had had i completely when china first i announced that it had had eight mysterious— announced that it had had eight mysterious blue _ announced that it had had eight mysterious blue virus _ announced that it had had eightj mysterious blue virus spreading across _ mysterious blue virus spreading across the — mysterious blue virus spreading across the country. _ mysterious blue virus spreading across the country. so - mysterious blue virus spreading across the country. so it- mysterious blue virus spreading across the country. so it went l across the country. so it went through — across the country. so it went through this _ across the country. so it went through this course _ across the country. so it went through this course were i across the country. so it went. through this course were trying across the country. so it went i through this course were trying to shut down— through this course were trying to shutdown almost _ through this course were trying to shutdown almost all— through this course were trying to shutdown almost all trade, - through this course were trying to shutdown almost all trade, check out shut down almost all trade, check out its borders— shutdown almost all trade, check out its borders and _ shutdown almost all trade, check out its borders and then - shut down almost all trade, check out its borders and then it- shutdown almost all trade, check. out its borders and then it relaxed. and a _ out its borders and then it relaxed. and a few— out its borders and then it relaxed. and a few weeks _ out its borders and then it relaxed. and a few weeks ago _ out its borders and then it relaxed. and a few weeks ago it _ out its borders and then it relaxed. and a few weeks ago it had - out its borders and then it relaxed. and a few weeks ago it had what i and a few weeks ago it had what is now thought — and a few weeks ago it had what is now thought to _ and a few weeks ago it had what is now thought to be _ and a few weeks ago it had what is now thought to be a _ and a few weeks ago it had what isi now thought to be a super spreader event, _ now thought to be a super spreader event, military— now thought to be a super spreader event, military parade, _ now thought to be a super spreader event, military parade, many- now thought to be a super spreaderl event, military parade, many people were not— event, military parade, many people were not wearing _ event, military parade, many people were not wearing masks. _ event, military parade, many people were not wearing masks. now- event, military parade, many people were not wearing masks. now we i event, military parade, many peoplel were not wearing masks. now we are seeing _ were not wearing masks. now we are seeing more — were not wearing masks. now we are seeing more than _ were not wearing masks. now we are seeing more than 2 _ were not wearing masks. now we are seeing more than 2 million _ were not wearing masks. now we are seeing more than 2 million cases- were not wearing masks. now we are seeing more than 2 million cases of. seeing more than 2 million cases of fever~ _ seeing more than 2 million cases of fever~ was— seeing more than 2 million cases of fever. was heartbreaking _ seeing more than 2 million cases of fever. was heartbreaking is - seeing more than 2 million cases of fever. was heartbreaking is that. seeing more than 2 million cases of fever. was heartbreaking is that we really _ fever. was heartbreaking is that we really don't — fever. was heartbreaking is that we really don't know— fever. was heartbreaking is that we really don't know how _ fever. was heartbreaking is that we really don't know how many - fever. was heartbreaking is that we really don't know how many of i fever. was heartbreaking is that we. really don't know how many of those cases _ really don't know how many of those cases are _ really don't know how many of those cases are covid, _ really don't know how many of those cases are covid, how— really don't know how many of those cases are covid, how many- really don't know how many of those cases are covid, how many are - cases are covid, how many are measles — cases are covid, how many are measles or— cases are covid, how many are measles or typhoid, _ cases are covid, how many are measles or typhoid, which i cases are covid, how many are measles or typhoid, which is. cases are covid, how many are measles or typhoid, which is a| measles or typhoid, which is a massive — measles or typhoid, which is a massive problem _ measles or typhoid, which is a massive problem north - measles or typhoid, which is a massive problem north korea| measles or typhoid, which is a i massive problem north korea right now because — massive problem north korea right now because they're _ massive problem north korea right now because they're simply- massive problem north korea right now because they're simply not i massive problem north korea right. now because they're simply not that many _ now because they're simply not that many test~ — now because they're simply not that many test. why _ now because they're simply not that many test. why did _ now because they're simply not that many test. why did kim's _ now because they're simply not that many test. why did kim's young i now because they're simply not that| many test. why did kim's young own title they— many test. why did kim's young own title they decide _ many test. why did kim's young own title they decide to _ many test. why did kim's young own title they decide to announce - many test. why did kim's young own title they decide to announce after. title they decide to announce after many— title they decide to announce after
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many theoretical— title they decide to announce after many theoretical outbreaks, - title they decide to announce after many theoretical outbreaks, room j title they decide to announce after- many theoretical outbreaks, room and outbreaks— many theoretical outbreaks, room and outbreaks of— many theoretical outbreaks, room and outbreaks of covid _ many theoretical outbreaks, room and outbreaks of covid in _ many theoretical outbreaks, room and outbreaks of covid in the _ many theoretical outbreaks, room and outbreaks of covid in the past? - many theoretical outbreaks, room and outbreaks of covid in the past? all- outbreaks of covid in the past? all of which _ outbreaks of covid in the past? all of which were _ outbreaks of covid in the past? all of which were denied. _ outbreaks of covid in the past? all of which were denied. white - outbreaks of covid in the past? all of which were denied. white now, | outbreaks of covid in the past? all- of which were denied. white now, why is he announcing — of which were denied. white now, why is he announcing this— of which were denied. white now, why is he announcing this now? _ of which were denied. white now, why is he announcing this now? very- is he announcing this now? very publicly— is he announcing this now? very publicly going _ is he announcing this now? very publicly going on _ is he announcing this now? very publicly going on television i publicly going on television attending _ publicly going on television attending emergency- publicly going on television i attending emergency meetings publicly going on television - attending emergency meetings every day. attending emergency meetings every day it's_ attending emergency meetings every day. it's really— attending emergency meetings every day. it's really felt _ attending emergency meetings every day. it's really felt that _ attending emergency meetings every day. it's really felt that this - attending emergency meetings every day. it's really felt that this is - day. it's really felt that this is good — day. it's really felt that this is good to— day. it's really felt that this is good to be _ day. it's really felt that this is good to be a _ day. it's really felt that this is good to be a massive - day. it's really felt that this is good to be a massive crisis. l day. it's really felt that this is i good to be a massive crisis. this is a country— good to be a massive crisis. this is a country where around _ good to be a massive crisis. this is a country where around four- good to be a massive crisis. this is a country where around four of- good to be a massive crisis. this is a country where around four of the| a country where around four of the populati°“_ a country where around four of the imputation is— a country where around four of the population is already _ a country where around four of the i population is already malnourished. we knew_ population is already malnourished. we knew that — population is already malnourished. we knew that the _ population is already malnourished. we knew that the koreans - population is already malnourished. we knew that the koreans were - we knew that the koreans were reusing — we knew that the koreans were reusing syringes _ we knew that the koreans were reusing syringes. apparently. reusing syringes. apparently becoming _ reusing syringes. apparently becoming rusty, _ reusing syringes. apparently becoming rusty, they- reusing syringes. apparently becoming rusty, they were l reusing syringes. apparently. becoming rusty, they were used reusing syringes. apparently- becoming rusty, they were used so often _ becoming rusty, they were used so often 50— becoming rusty, they were used so often 50 think_ becoming rusty, they were used so often. so think about _ becoming rusty, they were used so often. so think about covid - becoming rusty, they were used so often. so think about covid ripping| often. so think about covid ripping through— often. so think about covid ripping through that — often. so think about covid ripping through that kind _ often. so think about covid ripping through that kind of— often. so think about covid ripping through that kind of population, i often. so think about covid ripping through that kind of population, it| through that kind of population, it realty— through that kind of population, it realty is _ through that kind of population, it really is quite _ through that kind of population, it really is quite scary. _ through that kind of population, it really is quite scary.— really is quite scary. they've had offers from _ really is quite scary. they've had offers from china _ really is quite scary. they've had offers from china and _ really is quite scary. they've had offers from china and south - really is quite scary. they've had i offers from china and south korea for help and they are saying no. what are people being advised to do? we think now they have excepted some help from china. we know of three flights that are going between china and north korea just in the past couple of days, taking medical supplies over. it's plain loads for a country of around 25 million people. what does thre do? does he
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allow ngos back— people. what does thre do? does he allow ngos back into _ people. what does thre do? does he allow ngos back into the _ people. what does thre do? does he allow ngos back into the country, i allow ngos back into the country, allow— allow ngos back into the country, attow aid — allow ngos back into the country, attow aid on — allow ngos back into the country, allow aid on massive _ allow ngos back into the country, allow aid on massive bases, - allow ngos back into the country, . allow aid on massive bases, allowed vaccines— allow aid on massive bases, allowed vaccines to — allow aid on massive bases, allowed vaccines to find _ allow aid on massive bases, allowed vaccines to find the _ allow aid on massive bases, allowed vaccines to find the command - allow aid on massive bases, allowed vaccines to find the command or - allow aid on massive bases, allowed. vaccines to find the command or does he allow— vaccines to find the command or does he attow covid — vaccines to find the command or does he allow covid to _ vaccines to find the command or does he allow covid to rip _ vaccines to find the command or does he allow covid to rip through - vaccines to find the command or does he allow covid to rip through the - he allow covid to rip through the country? — he allow covid to rip through the country? think— he allow covid to rip through the country? think right _ he allow covid to rip through the country? think right now- he allow covid to rip through the country? think right now he's. he allow covid to rip through the i country? think right now he's trying to take _ country? think right now he's trying to take a _ country? think right now he's trying to take a shaky— country? think right now he's trying to take a shaky middle _ country? think right now he's trying to take a shaky middle ground, - country? think right now he's trying to take a shaky middle ground, is l to take a shaky middle ground, is allowing — to take a shaky middle ground, is allowing ghana to _ to take a shaky middle ground, is allowing ghana to get _ to take a shaky middle ground, is allowing ghana to get involved . to take a shaky middle ground, is allowing ghana to get involved a i allowing ghana to get involved a little _ allowing ghana to get involved a little bit — allowing ghana to get involved a little bit with — allowing chana to get involved a little bit with is— allowing ghana to get involved a little bit with is a _ allowing ghana to get involved a little bit with is a little - allowing chana to get involved a little bit with is a little bit- allowing ghana to get involved a little bit with is a little bit more| little bit with is a little bit more politically— little bit with is a little bit more politically palatable, _ little bit with is a little bit more politically palatable, he - little bit with is a little bit more politically palatable, he is - politically palatable, he is deflecting _ politically palatable, he is deflecting blame - politically palatable, he is deflecting blame and - politically palatable, he is i deflecting blame and placing politically palatable, he is - deflecting blame and placing a lot of on _ deflecting blame and placing a lot of on tocat— deflecting blame and placing a lot of on local officials _ deflecting blame and placing a lot of on local officials and _ deflecting blame and placing a lot of on local officials and mid—level| of on local officials and mid—level officials — of on local officials and mid—level officials. had _ of on local officials and mid—level officials. had i— of on local officials and mid—level officials. had i think— of on local officials and mid—level officials. had i think he _ of on local officials and mid—level officials. had i think he is- of on local officials and mid—level officials. had i think he is waitingj officials. had i think he is waiting and seeing — officials. had i think he is waiting and seeing and _ officials. had i think he is waiting and seeing and trying _ officials. had i think he is waiting and seeing and trying to- officials. had i think he is waiting| and seeing and trying to prescribe traditional— and seeing and trying to prescribe traditional medicines. _ and seeing and trying to prescribe traditional medicines. this - and seeing and trying to prescribe traditional medicines. this also i and seeing and trying to prescribe. traditional medicines. this also the possibility— traditional medicines. this also the possibility he — traditional medicines. this also the possibility he will— traditional medicines. this also the possibility he will have _ traditional medicines. this also the possibility he will have a _ traditional medicines. this also the possibility he will have a another. possibility he will have a another nuclear— possibility he will have a another nuclear test _ possibility he will have a another nuclear test both _ possibility he will have a another nuclear test both joe _ possibility he will have a another nuclear test bothjoe biden- possibility he will have a another nuclear test bothjoe biden is- possibility he will have a another nuclear test bothjoe biden is ini nuclear test bothjoe biden is in the region _ nuclear test bothjoe biden is in the region they— nuclear test bothjoe biden is in the region. they say— nuclear test bothjoe biden is in. the region. they say preparations are completely— the region. they say preparations are completely ready. _ the region. they say preparations are completely ready. he'll- the region. they say preparations are completely ready. he'll try. the region. they say preparations are completely ready. he'll try to| are completely ready. he'll try to deflect _ are completely ready. he'll try to deflect attention. _ are completely ready. he'll try to deflect attention. how _ are completely ready. he'll try to deflect attention. how long - are completely ready. he'll try to deflect attention. how long he i are completely ready. he'll try to. deflect attention. how long he can continue _ deflect attention. how long he can continue on — deflect attention. how long he can continue on that _ deflect attention. how long he can continue on that shaky _ deflect attention. how long he can continue on that shaky middle - deflect attention. how long he can i continue on that shaky middle ground before _ continue on that shaky middle ground before he _ continue on that shaky middle ground before he realty— continue on that shaky middle ground before he really has _ continue on that shaky middle ground before he really has to _ continue on that shaky middle ground before he really has to make - continue on that shaky middle ground before he really has to make a - before he really has to make a choice — before he really has to make a choice between _ before he really has to make a choice between opening - before he really has to make a choice between opening the i before he really has to make a - choice between opening the borders ori'ust _ choice between opening the borders ori'ust tetting — choice between opening the borders orjust letting covid _ choice between opening the borders orjust letting covid rip _ choice between opening the borders orjust letting covid rip through. - orjust letting covid rip through. doesn't — orjust letting covid rip through. doesn't have _ orjust letting covid rip through. doesn't have much. _ orjust letting covid rip through. doesn't have much. meanwhile, orjust letting covid rip through. - doesn't have much. meanwhile, what advice of people been given? thea;r advice of people been given? they
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are bein: advice of people been given? they are being told... _ advice of people been given? they are being told... we _ advice of people been given? they are being told... we don't know exactly what's _ are being told... we don't know exactly what's happening - are being told... we don't know exactly what's happening in, - are being told... we don't know| exactly what's happening in, but are being told... we don't know- exactly what's happening in, but we know _ exactly what's happening in, but we know they _ exactly what's happening in, but we know they are — exactly what's happening in, but we know they are being _ exactly what's happening in, but we know they are being advised - exactly what's happening in, but we know they are being advised to - know they are being advised to gargte — know they are being advised to gargte with _ know they are being advised to gargle with salt _ know they are being advised to gargle with salt water- know they are being advised to gargle with salt water for- know they are being advised to - gargle with salt water for example. are they— gargle with salt water for example. are they treing _ gargle with salt water for example. are they being advised _ gargle with salt water for example. are they being advised that - are they being advised that traditional— are they being advised that traditional medicines - are they being advised that traditional medicines are i are they being advised that. traditional medicines are best. frankty. — traditional medicines are best. frankty. that's— traditional medicines are best. frankly, that's because - traditional medicines are best. frankly, that's because northl traditional medicines are best. - frankly, that's because north korea doesn't _ frankly, that's because north korea doesn't have — frankly, that's because north korea doesn't have a — frankly, that's because north korea doesn't have a lot _ frankly, that's because north korea doesn't have a lot of _ frankly, that's because north korea doesn't have a lot of other- doesn't have a lot of other alternatives _ doesn't have a lot of other alternatives at _ doesn't have a lot of other alternatives at the - doesn't have a lot of other. alternatives at the moment. doesn't have a lot of other- alternatives at the moment. what's can happen — alternatives at the moment. what's can happen when— alternatives at the moment. what's can happen when they— alternatives at the moment. what's can happen when they decide - alternatives at the moment. what's can happen when they decide that l can happen when they decide that they realty— can happen when they decide that they really do _ can happen when they decide that they really do need _ can happen when they decide that they really do need to _ can happen when they decide that they really do need to vaccinate . can happen when they decide that i they really do need to vaccinate the country? _ they really do need to vaccinate the country? is— they really do need to vaccinate the country? is it — they really do need to vaccinate the country? is it too _ they really do need to vaccinate the country? is it too late, _ they really do need to vaccinate the country? is it too late, probably. i country? is it too late, probably. that's _ country? is it too late, probably. that's really— country? is it too late, probably. that's really what's _ country? is it too late, probably. that's really what's difficult - country? is it too late, probably. that's really what's difficult for. that's really what's difficult for the kim — that's really what's difficult for the kimjong-un_ that's really what's difficult for the kim jong—un has— that's really what's difficult forl the kim jong—un has apparently repeatedly— the kim jong—un has apparently repeatedly turned _ the kim jong—un has apparently repeatedly turned down - the kim jong—un has apparently repeatedly turned down offers i the kim jong—un has apparently - repeatedly turned down offers from the who, _ repeatedly turned down offers from the who, the — repeatedly turned down offers from the who, the kovacs_ repeatedly turned down offers from the who, the kovacs programme . repeatedly turned down offers from| the who, the kovacs programme to come _ the who, the kovacs programme to come in _ the who, the kovacs programme to come in because _ the who, the kovacs programme to come in because they— the who, the kovacs programme to come in because they wanted - the who, the kovacs programme to come in because they wanted to - come in because they wanted to dictate — come in because they wanted to dictate exactly— come in because they wanted to dictate exactly where _ come in because they wanted to dictate exactly where the - come in because they wanted to l dictate exactly where the vaccines went for— dictate exactly where the vaccines went for that _ dictate exactly where the vaccines went for that and _ dictate exactly where the vaccines went for that and the _ dictate exactly where the vaccines went for that and the north - dictate exactly where the vaccines l went for that and the north koreans 'ust went for that and the north koreans just realty— went for that and the north koreans just really didn't _ went for that and the north koreans just really didn't want _ went for that and the north koreans just really didn't want that - went for that and the north koreans just really didn't want that much - just really didn't want that much intervention— just really didn't want that much intervention inside _ just really didn't want that much intervention inside their- just really didn't want that much intervention inside their own- intervention inside their own country _ intervention inside their own country. they _ intervention inside their own country. they really - intervention inside their own country. they really shut - intervention inside their own. country. they really shut their borders — country. they really shut their borders it _ country. they really shut their borders. it seems _ country. they really shut their borders. it seems probably. country. they really shut their - borders. it seems probably relaxed too nruch — borders. it seems probably relaxed too much. . , . borders. it seems probably relaxed too much. . , too much. there was a big debate in the start of — too much. there was a big debate in the start of the _ too much. there was a big debate in the start of the pandemic _ too much. there was a big debate in the start of the pandemic about - the start of the pandemic about which forms of government will work best. some say maybe authoritarian regimes will do a betterjob simply
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because they have control. actually as china has proved, it ain't necessarily so.— as china has proved, it ain't necessaril so. ., . ., . . , necessarily so. no, authoritarianism nets necessarily so. no, authoritarianism gets wrapped _ necessarily so. no, authoritarianism gets wrapped op _ necessarily so. no, authoritarianism gets wrapped up but _ necessarily so. no, authoritarianism gets wrapped up but it _ necessarily so. no, authoritarianism gets wrapped up but it doesn't - gets wrapped up but it doesn't necessarily work. it is extraordinary, that resurgence in china. �* extraordinary, that resurgence in china. . . ., . . china. also with the authoritarian re . imes china. also with the authoritarian regimes you _ china. also with the authoritarian regimes you have _ china. also with the authoritarian regimes you have a _ china. also with the authoritarian regimes you have a lack- china. also with the authoritarian regimes you have a lack of - regimes you have a lack of information. you don't actually know it's happening in these places and that is— it's happening in these places and that is part of this problem, when you're _ that is part of this problem, when you're not— that is part of this problem, when you're not getting the full facts it's very— you're not getting the full facts it's very hard to gauge what's actuatty— it's very hard to gauge what's actually happening, how best to help people _ actually happening, how best to help people. it is actually happening, how best to help --eole. . . ., ., people. it is extraordi how accountable _ people. it is extraordi how accountable governments | people. it is extraordi how- accountable governments were able people. it is extraordi how— accountable governments were able to bring in very successful vaccination programmes like this country. that was quite startling. it means that the democratic societies on the whole seem to produce well behaved people, people who have reese back social responsibilities and behaviours they should in those circumstances. i behaviours they should in those circumstances.— behaviours they should in those circumstances. , , , circumstances. i suppose interesting as well as the _ circumstances. i suppose interesting as well as the french _ circumstances. i suppose interesting as well as the french presidential. as well as the french presidential result. a lot of people thought
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emmanuel macron would suffer for covid vaccination say no, he can't go into a theatre without this, it didn't appear to be the case that people punish them. i didn't appear to be the case that people punish them.— didn't appear to be the case that people punish them. i think maybe that choices _ people punish them. i think maybe that choices were _ people punish them. i think maybe that choices were not _ people punish them. i think maybe that choices were not good. - people punish them. i think maybe | that choices were not good. macron or a fascist?— or a fascist? also timing. he was cuite or a fascist? also timing. he was quite lucky. _ or a fascist? also timing. he was quite lucky. by — or a fascist? also timing. he was quite lucky, by the _ or a fascist? also timing. he was quite lucky, by the time - or a fascist? also timing. he was quite lucky, by the time the - quite lucky, by the time the election— quite lucky, by the time the election happened we had micron the statesman _ election happened we had micron the statesman with a war in ukraine. even _ statesman with a war in ukraine. even though people were critical of dialogue with food in it seemed to play well— dialogue with food in it seemed to play well in his own country. the news agenda had moved on and update delete _ news agenda had moved on and update delete that— news agenda had moved on and update delete that point and it benefited him. . ., , . , , , him. other elections happening this weekend, apparently _ him. other elections happening this weekend, apparently half— him. other elections happening this weekend, apparently half of - him. other elections happening this weekend, apparently half of the - weekend, apparently half of the votes of already been cast because voting is compulsory in australia and a lot of people vote for the apparently they'll been allowed to vote by telephone if they have covid which is a new innovation. three years ago it was a tight race and everybody thought labour party going
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to depose the national coalition was because it is miracle election. is he hoping for another miracle? i he hoping for another miracle? i think he is hoping for another miracle~ _ think he is hoping for another miracle. the _ think he is hoping for another miracle. the posters - think he is hoping for another miracle. the posters were - think he is hoping for another. miracle. the posters were wrong before, — miracle. the posters were wrong before, it's— miracle. the posters were wrong before, it's unclear, _ miracle. the posters were wrong before, it's unclear, we - miracle. the posters were wrong before, it's unclear, we are - miracle. the posters were wrongi before, it's unclear, we are really not sure — before, it's unclear, we are really not sure what _ before, it's unclear, we are really not sure what can _ before, it's unclear, we are really not sure what can happen - before, it's unclear, we are really not sure what can happen now. ii not sure what can happen now. i think— not sure what can happen now. i think what's— not sure what can happen now. i think what's fascinating - not sure what can happen now. i think what's fascinating is - not sure what can happen now. i think what's fascinating is the i think what's fascinating is the debate — think what's fascinating is the debate in _ think what's fascinating is the debate in this _ think what's fascinating is the debate in this election. - think what's fascinating is the debate in this election. you . think what's fascinating is the - debate in this election. you would think— debate in this election. you would think that — debate in this election. you would think that it— debate in this election. you would think that it might _ debate in this election. you would think that it might have _ debate in this election. you would think that it might have turned - debate in this election. you would i think that it might have turned more towards _ think that it might have turned more towards climate _ think that it might have turned more towards climate change _ think that it might have turned more towards climate change and - think that it might have turned more towards climate change and it - think that it might have turned more towards climate change and it has. i towards climate change and it has. given _ towards climate change and it has. given everything _ towards climate change and it has. given everything that's _ towards climate change and it has. given everything that's happened. | given everything that's happened. exactly _ given everything that's happened. e>
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independents who are fiscally- independents who are fiscally conservative _ independents who are fiscally conservative but _ independents who are fiscally conservative but really- independents who are fiscally conservative but really are i independents who are fiscally- conservative but really are running on very— conservative but really are running on very strong _ conservative but really are running on very strong climate _ conservative but really are running on very strong climate change - on very strong climate change agendas _ on very strong climate change agendas they— on very strong climate change agendas. they have _ on very strong climate change agendas. they have a - on very strong climate change agendas. they have a huge i on very strong climate change - agendas. they have a huge amount of grassroots _ agendas. they have a huge amount of grassroots support, _ agendas. they have a huge amount of grassroots support, a _ agendas. they have a huge amount of grassroots support, a huge _ agendas. they have a huge amount of grassroots support, a huge amount i grassroots support, a huge amount of financial— grassroots support, a huge amount of financial backing. it _ grassroots support, a huge amount of financial backing. it is _ grassroots support, a huge amount of financial backing. it is really— grassroots support, a huge amount of financial backing. it is really can- financial backing. it is really can be interesting _ financial backing. it is really can be interesting to _ financial backing. it is really can be interesting to see _ financial backing. it is really can be interesting to see if- financial backing. it is really can be interesting to see if they- financial backing. it is really cani be interesting to see if they want to turn— be interesting to see if they want to turn the — be interesting to see if they want to turn the tide _ be interesting to see if they want to turn the tide in _ be interesting to see if they want to turn the tide in australian - to turn the tide in australian politics _ to turn the tide in australian olitics. ., , , , politics. the other issue is the ge0political— politics. the other issue is the geopolitical aspect _ politics. the other issue is the geopolitical aspect of - politics. the other issue is the geopolitical aspect of what's l geopolitical aspect of what's happening. scott more sincere and delaying _ happening. scott more sincere and delaying of these issues particular of china — delaying of these issues particular of china i— delaying of these issues particular of china. i think is getting a lot of china. i think is getting a lot of criticism _ of china. i think is getting a lot of criticism and his foreign minister— of criticism and his foreign minister as well for taking their eye off— minister as well for taking their eye off the ball when it comes to solomon— eye off the ball when it comes to solomon islands. obviously china, there's— solomon islands. obviously china, there's now— solomon islands. obviously china, there's now a pact between the solomon— there's now a pact between the solomon islands, they snuck in. even at the _ solomon islands, they snuck in. even at the same _ solomon islands, they snuck in. even at the same time is a joy it did this last — at the same time is a joy it did this last autumn which really annoy the rpm _ this last autumn which really annoy the rpm. ., , this last autumn which really annoy the rpm. . , ., ., . this last autumn which really annoy the rpm. . , . . . that the rpm. really annoyed france. that was treat. the rpm. really annoyed france. that was great- really _ the rpm. really annoyed france. that was great. really annoyed _ the rpm. really annoyed france. that was great. really annoyed france - the rpm. really annoyed france. that was great. really annoyed france but| was great. really annoyed france but it was— was great. really annoyed france but it was uk, _ was great. really annoyed france but it was uk, us and australia and yet in their— it was uk, us and australia and yet in their own — it was uk, us and australia and yet in their own backyard they took their— in their own backyard they took their eye — in their own backyard they took their eye off the ball. i think
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there — their eye off the ball. i think there are _ their eye off the ball. i think there are questions now about leadership they are in terms of the bil leadership they are in terms of the big geopolitical issues at a time where _ big geopolitical issues at a time where it's— big geopolitical issues at a time where it's a very important issue for australia. it�*s where it's a very important issue for australia.— for australia. it's really been interesting _ for australia. it's really been interesting to _ for australia. it's really been interesting to watch - for australia. it's really been interesting to watch the - for australia. it's really been . interesting to watch the chinese debate, — interesting to watch the chinese debate, watching _ interesting to watch the chinese debate, watching the _ interesting to watch the chinese debate, watching the australianj debate, watching the australian election~ — debate, watching the australian election. we've _ debate, watching the australian election. we've heard _ debate, watching the australian election. we've heard signals. debate, watching the australian i election. we've heard signals this week— election. we've heard signals this week that — election. we've heard signals this week that china _ election. we've heard signals this week that china has _ election. we've heard signals this week that china has been- election. we've heard signals this week that china has been saying i election. we've heard signals this i week that china has been saying this might— week that china has been saying this might be _ week that china has been saying this might be a _ week that china has been saying this might be a time _ week that china has been saying this might be a time for— week that china has been saying this might be a time for us— week that china has been saying this might be a time for us to _ week that china has been saying this might be a time for us to turn - week that china has been saying this might be a time for us to turn the i might be a time for us to turn the chapter — might be a time for us to turn the chapter after— might be a time for us to turn the chapter. after the _ might be a time for us to turn the chapter. after the election - might be a time for us to turn the chapter. after the election and i chapter. after the election and yeah. — chapter. after the election and yeah. were _ chapter. after the election and yeah. were open— chapter. after the election and yeah, were open to— chapter. after the election and yeah, were open to starting. chapter. after the election and . yeah, were open to starting to... chapter. after the election and - yeah, were open to starting to... i wonder— yeah, were open to starting to... i wonder if— yeah, were open to starting to... i wonder if this _ yeah, were open to starting to... i wonder if this has _ yeah, were open to starting to... i wonder if this has something - yeah, were open to starting to... i wonder if this has something to i yeah, were open to starting to... i| wonder if this has something to do with the _ wonder if this has something to do with the fact — wonder if this has something to do with the fact that _ wonder if this has something to do with the fact that china _ wonder if this has something to do with the fact that china and - wonder if this has something to do| with the fact that china and austria such key— with the fact that china and austria such key trading _ with the fact that china and austria such key trading partners. - with the fact that china and austria such key trading partners. the - such key trading partners. the chinese — such key trading partners. the chinese economy— such key trading partners. the chinese economy is _ such key trading partners. the chinese economy is really- such key trading partners. the i chinese economy is really hurting i’ili'it chinese economy is really hurting right now — chinese economy is really hurting right now are _ chinese economy is really hurting right now. are they— chinese economy is really hurting right now. are they really - chinese economy is really hurting right now. are they really started| right now. are they really started to think~~~ — right now. are they really started to think... . . right now. are they really started to think- - -— right now. are they really started to think... , . .,, ., to think... presume all those covid lockdowns. — to think... presume all those covid lockdowns, people _ to think... presume all those covid lockdowns, people can _ to think... presume all those covid lockdowns, people can complain i to think... presume all those covid - lockdowns, people can complain about supplies from china not getting through, at home it must�*ve been really painful. tbs, through, at home it must've been really painful-— really painful. a new economics fiuures really painful. a new economics figures this _ really painful. a new economics figures this week _ really painful. a new economics figures this week really - really painful. a new economics figures this week really showed | figures this week really showed retail— figures this week really showed retail sales. _ figures this week really showed retail sales, experts— figures this week really showed retail sales, experts way- figures this week really showed retail sales, experts way downi figures this week really showed i retail sales, experts way down to figures this week really showed - retail sales, experts way down to is really _ retail sales, experts way down to is really a _ retail sales, experts way down to is really a shocking _ retail sales, experts way down to is really a shocking time _
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retail sales, experts way down to is really a shocking time for _ retail sales, experts way down to is really a shocking time for chinese l really a shocking time for chinese economy — really a shocking time for chinese econom . , , . economy. the chinese social relations _ economy. the chinese social relations it _ economy. the chinese social relations it well _ economy. the chinese social relations it well for - economy. the chinese social relations it well for tubby i i economy. the chinese social. relations it well for tubby i did that it's a communist state, they positively encourage the growth of a very wealthy bourgeoisie, what can happen if they are economy tanks? just on the question of a possible reset with australia. some criticism, i'm surprised on the political right but perhaps more broadly on people worry about china about the approach of jacinda that she's been a bit too reluctant to criticise china a bit too cosy with beijing. presumably beijing would quite like a relationship like that with an incoming government in australian labour but presumably for a sales, it's a bit more complicated. i a sales, it's a bit more complicated.— a sales, it's a bit more complicated. a sales, it's a bit more comlicated. , ., ,, , complicated. i should think so. yes. australia is — complicated. i should think so. yes. australia is in _ complicated. i should think so. yes. australia is in this _ complicated. i should think so. yes. australia is in this pivotal— australia is in this pivotal position geographically, they can pivot to ease as there was a an about california. they are basically
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british in their mentality and they are very strongly democratic. how can they possibly come to terms with the close relationship with a state as a totalitarian country? it could be done but it would be very uncomfortable politically and culturally. i uncomfortable politically and culturall . ~ uncomfortable politically and culturally-— uncomfortable politically and culturall . ,, . �*, ., ., culturally. i think that's one of the big themes _ culturally. i think that's one of the big themes of— culturally. i think that's one of the big themes of the - culturally. i think that's one of the big themes of the last - culturally. i think that's one of- the big themes of the last decade, i change _ the big themes of the last decade, i change towards china. as you say, in australia. _ change towards china. as you say, in australia, look at america, before the ukraine — australia, look at america, before the ukraine workjob items absolute foreign _ the ukraine workjob items absolute foreign priority was china. he continued _ foreign priority was china. he continued that after donald trump and said _ continued that after donald trump and said we need to get tough on china _ and said we need to get tough on china in— and said we need to get tough on china in terms of trade. europe as well. _ china in terms of trade. europe as well. it— china in terms of trade. europe as well. it was— china in terms of trade. europe as well. it was a _ china in terms of trade. europe as well, it was a bit too close to beijing. _ well, it was a bit too close to beijing, certainly washington... divisions— beijing, certainly washington... divisions ever people are beginning to question that they put economic growth _ to question that they put economic growth are — to question that they put economic growth are possibilities a concern about— growth are possibilities a concern about human rights abuses, etc. there _ about human rights abuses, etc. there has— about human rights abuses, etc. there has been a global western shift towards china and it's gone from _ shift towards china and it's gone from being an economic place of opportunity to attract
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geopolitically in terms of human rights _ geopolitically in terms of human rights l— geopolitically in terms of human ri . hts. ~ geopolitically in terms of human riahts. ~ �* . . rights. i think it's interesting when we think— rights. i think it's interesting when we think about - rights. i think it's interesting when we think about china i rights. i think it's interesting l when we think about china and rights. i think it's interesting - when we think about china and yes, i think— when we think about china and yes, i think australia _ when we think about china and yes, i think australia has _ when we think about china and yes, i think australia has been _ when we think about china and yes, i think australia has been criticised - think australia has been criticised with the _ think australia has been criticised with the people _ think australia has been criticised with the people i— think australia has been criticised with the people i speak— think australia has been criticised with the people i speak it - think australia has been criticised with the people i speak it do - think australia has been criticised with the people i speak it do with| with the people i speak it do with 'ust with the people i speak it do with just going — with the people i speak it do with just going too _ with the people i speak it do with just going too far. _ with the people i speak it do with just going too far. they— just going too far. they unilaterally came - just going too far. they unilaterally came out . just going too far. they. unilaterally came out and just going too far. they- unilaterally came out and said we need _ unilaterally came out and said we need an— unilaterally came out and said we need an inquiry— unilaterally came out and said we need an inquiry into _ unilaterally came out and said we need an inquiry into how- unilaterally came out and said we need an inquiry into how covid i need an inquiry into how covid really— need an inquiry into how covid really came _ need an inquiry into how covid really came about. _ need an inquiry into how covid really came about. quite - need an inquiry into how covid really came about. quite a - really came about. quite a confrontational _ really came about. quite a confrontational approach l really came about. quite a i confrontational approach with really came about. quite a - confrontational approach with that when _ confrontational approach with that when you — confrontational approach with that when you contrast _ confrontational approach with that when you contrast that _ confrontational approach with that when you contrast that with - when you contrast that with singapore _ when you contrast that with singapore his _ when you contrast that with singapore his relationship l when you contrast that with i singapore his relationship with china. — singapore his relationship with china. even— singapore his relationship with china, evenjapan's_ singapore his relationship withi china, evenjapan's relationship china, even japan's relationship with chinachina, even japan's relationship with china is _ china, evenjapan's relationship with china is a _ china, evenjapan's relationship with china is a little _ china, evenjapan's relationship with china is a little bit - china, evenjapan's relationship with china is a little bit more i with china is a little bit more nuanced _ with china is a little bit more nuanced and _ with china is a little bit more nuanced and how _ with china is a little bit more nuanced and how they- with china is a little bit morei nuanced and how they deliver with china is a little bit more - nuanced and how they deliver their messages — nuanced and how they deliver their messages i— nuanced and how they deliver their messages. ithink— nuanced and how they deliver their messages. i think now— nuanced and how they deliver their messages. i think now that - nuanced and how they deliver their messages. i think now that we - nuanced and how they deliver their messages. i think now that we are| nuanced and how they deliver their. messages. i think now that we are in a position— messages. i think now that we are in a position where _ messages. i think now that we are in a position where a _ messages. i think now that we are in a position where a lot _ messages. i think now that we are in a position where a lot of _ messages. i think now that we are in a position where a lot of countries i a position where a lot of countries are looking — a position where a lot of countries are looking to _ a position where a lot of countries are looking to china _ a position where a lot of countries are looking to china to _ a position where a lot of countries are looking to china to think theyi are looking to china to think they have _ are looking to china to think they have a _ are looking to china to think they have a pivotal— are looking to china to think they have a pivotal role _ are looking to china to think they have a pivotal role to _ are looking to china to think they have a pivotal role to play - are looking to china to think they have a pivotal role to play with i have a pivotal role to play with china — have a pivotal role to play with china and _ have a pivotal role to play with china and how— have a pivotal role to play with china and how russia - have a pivotal role to play with china and how russia deals i have a pivotal role to play with. china and how russia deals with ukraine — china and how russia deals with ukraine a— china and how russia deals with ukraine~ a lot— china and how russia deals with ukraine. a lot of countries i china and how russia deals with ukraine. a lot of countries are l ukraine. a lot of countries are thinking — ukraine. a lot of countries are thinking actually, _ ukraine. a lot of countries are thinking actually, come - ukraine. a lot of countries are thinking actually, come up i ukraine. a lot of countries are i thinking actually, come up maybe ukraine. a lot of countries are - thinking actually, come up maybe we do need _ thinking actually, come up maybe we do need to— thinking actually, come up maybe we do need to improve _ thinking actually, come up maybe we do need to improve our— thinking actually, come up maybe we do need to improve our relationship. do need to improve our relationship with china _ do need to improve our relationship with china in — do need to improve our relationship with china in order— do need to improve our relationship with china in order to _ do need to improve our relationship with china in order to use _ do need to improve our relationship with china in order to use that i with china in order to use that leverage — with china in order to use that leverage with _ with china in order to use that leverage with russia... - with china in order to use that leverage with russia... find. with china in order to use that leverage with russia... and climate chance. leverage with russia... and climate change. the idea _ leverage with russia... and climate change. the idea that _ leverage with russia... and climate change. the idea that you - leverage with russia... and climate change. the idea that you need - leverage with russia... and climate change. the idea that you need to l change. the idea that you need to work, _ change. the idea that you need to work. i_ change. the idea that you need to work. i hear— change. the idea that you need to work, i hearjohn kerry saying this, we need _ work, i hearjohn kerry saying this, we need to— work, i hearjohn kerry saying this, we need to work with china on the some is_ we need to work with china on the some is a — we need to work with china on the some is a global issue.— some is a global issue. that's one ofthe
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some is a global issue. that's one of the issues _ some is a global issue. that's one of the issues you _ some is a global issue. that's one of the issues you hear _ some is a global issue. that's one of the issues you hear again - of the issues you hear again and again _ of the issues you hear again and agaih there _ of the issues you hear again and again. there are _ of the issues you hear again and again. there are good _ of the issues you hear again and i again. there are good relationships between _ again. there are good relationships between americans— again. there are good relationships between americans and _ again. there are good relationships between americans and chinese . between americans and chinese sentences, _ between americans and chinese sentences, when— between americans and chinese sentences, when it _ between americans and chinese sentences, when it comes- between americans and chinese sentences, when it comes to . between americans and chinese - sentences, when it comes to climate change. _ sentences, when it comes to climate change. that— sentences, when it comes to climate change, that usually— sentences, when it comes to climate change, that usually the _ sentences, when it comes to climate change, that usually the only - sentences, when it comes to climate change, that usually the only issue l change, that usually the only issue thats— change, that usually the only issue that's pointed _ change, that usually the only issue that's pointed out— change, that usually the only issue that's pointed out as _ change, that usually the only issue that's pointed out as being - that's pointed out as being the thing _ that's pointed out as being the thing that— that's pointed out as being the thing that the _ that's pointed out as being the thing that the two _ that's pointed out as being the thing that the two countries i that's pointed out as being the| thing that the two countries can agree _ thing that the two countries can agree 0h — thing that the two countries can auree on. , ., , thank you all very much. will be back next weekend with more dateline. bye—bye. hello the weekend did and with soggy scene, quite a lot of rain though many of the gardens needed it. there
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was some sunshine around. a beautiful picture from one of our weather watchers on the isle of wight. the shield of cloud brought a lot of rain across parts of england and ease wells during the morning. this cloud worked in from the west during the afternoon bringing some pretty hefty downpours. but all of those rain bearing weather systems clearing eastwards with some quieter, drierweatherto clearing eastwards with some quieter, drier weather to come to the night. still with one or two showers, clears bills for the most part, temperatures are dropping too far, many towns and cities between eight and ii far, many towns and cities between eight and 11 degrees. it may get a little cooler than that for a few out in the countryside. saturday a lot of dry weather row first income some spells of sunshine, we will seek out bringing rain across northern ireland, that ran getting into parts of western scotland, northeast scotland holding onto a little bit of brightness. through the afternoon the channel island should see plenty of sunshine and we will see sunday spells across much of england and wales just the odd rogue showerfor of england and wales just the odd rogue shower for selfless england, wales, the west midlands, though shows what they do crop up should be
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fairly light, temperature 70 degrees apart liverpool. we will see shadows across northern ireland and these outbreaks of rain drifting northwards across scotland. although the far northeast should hold onto something a little brighter albeit with just the outlawed shower. as we go through saturday night this rain continues tojourney go through saturday night this rain continues to journey across the northern half of scotland. we will start to introduce a lot of missing work around the western coast and hills. for sunday we will be between these two weather fronts, a warm front here, a cold front here and in between a wedge of rather humid air bringing in a lot of mist of murk low cloud. also bring as higher temperatures on sunday, especially down towards the south—east corner. monday's weather details will bring a lot of low cloud, mist and fog for coast and hills out towards the west and the arts part of rain. some have a burst of rain likely to push into the northwest scotland, maybe northern ireland later in the day. further south and is the best of the sunshine and the highest of the temperatures of a 20 degrees for hol, 23 degrees in london. does look
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a little bit cooler if there was some rain at times. it turns drier and a little bit warmer as we head towards the end of the week. bye for now.
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