hello, i'm maryam moshiri. you're watching the context on bbc news. at the third public hearing investigating the us capitol riots, the committee focuses how president trump tried to pressure vice president mike pence not to certify the election results. new footage shows mike pence being rushed to protection by secret service agents. the committee praised the former vice president for his action, but a warning about what the future might hold. we're fortunate for mr pence�*s courage onjanuary 6th. our democracy came dangerously close to catastrophe. donald trump and his allies and supporters

are a clear and present danger to american democracy. after a second resignation in as many years, downing street says borisjohnson is looking at whether the role of an adviser on standards is needed after lord geidt stepped down last night. and the bank of england hikes up interest rates to a 13—year high and warns that inflation could hit 11%. tonight with the context, chief political commentator at the i newspaper paul waugh and former adviser to hillary clinton amanda renteria. welcome to the programme. we start in washington, where the third day of the january

6th committee hearings has just wrapped up. it's been focused on mike pence and connecting donald trump's intense pressure campaign on his vice president not to certify the election results with the violent intentions of the mob that stormed the capitol. democrat bennie thompson is chair of the committee. he spoke of the danger mike pence faced in his opening statement. we're fortunate for mr pence�*s courage onjanuary 6th. our democracy came dangerously close to catastrophe. that courage put him in tremendous danger. when mike pence made it clear that he wouldn't give in to donald trump's scheme, donald trump turned the mob on him, a mob that was chanting "hang

mike pence", a mob that had built a hangman�*s gallows just outside the capitol. today, the committee heard from jay michael luttig, a retired judge and an informal adviser to mike pence. he was questioned about the advice donald trump was given by his campaign attorney john eastman that mike pence had the power to overule the results of the election. it was advice that donald trump stuck to, despite his other key advisers saying otherwise. mr luttig said dr eastman�*s advice was completely false. there was no basis in the constitution or laws of the united states at all for the theory espoused by mr eastman. at all, none. that declaration of donald trump

as the next president would have plunged america into what i believe would have been tantamount to a revolution. our correspondent nomia iqbal is on capitol hill for us. bring us up—to—date. bring us up-to-date. it was a really extraordinary _ bring us up-to-date. it was a really extraordinary day _ bring us up-to-date. it was a really extraordinary day of _ bring us up-to-date. it was a really extraordinary day of testimony - bring us up-to-date. it was a really| extraordinary day of testimony from three _ extraordinary day of testimony from three republicans— extraordinary day of testimony from three republicans essentially. - extraordinary day of testimony from three republicans essentially. mike| three republicans essentially. mike pence's_ three republicans essentially. mike pence's former _ three republicans essentially. mike pence's former chief— three republicans essentially. mike pence's former chief counsellor, . pence's former chief counsellor, white _ pence's former chief counsellor, white house _ pence's former chief counsellor, white house staff— pence's former chief counsellor, white house staff and _ pence's former chief counsellor, white house staff and the - pence's former chief counsellor, i white house staff and the retired judge _ white house staff and the retired judge you — white house staff and the retired judge you heard _ white house staff and the retired judge you heard there _ white house staff and the retired judge you heard there today, - white house staff and the retired judge you heard there today, a l judge you heard there today, a revered — judge you heard there today, a revered judge _ judge you heard there today, a revered judge and _ judge you heard there today, a revered judge and establish i judge you heard there today, a i revered judge and establish figure in the _ revered judge and establish figure in the party — revered judge and establish figure in the party. they— revered judge and establish figure in the party. they did _ revered judge and establish figure in the party. they did not - revered judge and establish figure in the party. they did not pull- revered judge and establish figure in the party. they did not pull it . in the party. they did not pull it made _ in the party. they did not pull it made it— in the party. they did not pull it made it clear— in the party. they did not pull it made it clear the _ in the party. they did not pull it made it clear the huge - in the party. they did not pull itj made it clear the huge pressure in the party. they did not pull it -

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duty that the vice president always does which is to essentially count. does which is to essentially count the electorai— does which is to essentially count the electoral votes. _ does which is to essentially count the electoral votes. but - does which is to essentially count the electoral votes. but not - the electoral votes. but notjust the electoral votes. but notjust the pressure _ the electoral votes. but notjust the pressure but _ the electoral votes. but notjust the pressure but also _ the electoral votes. but notjust the pressure but also the - the electoral votes. but notjust the pressure but also the abuse j the electoral votes. but notjust. the pressure but also the abuse he faced _ the pressure but also the abuse he faced he — the pressure but also the abuse he faced he saw— the pressure but also the abuse he faced he saw a _ the pressure but also the abuse he faced. he saw a small— the pressure but also the abuse he faced. he saw a small short- the pressure but also the abuse he faced. he saw a small short clip. the pressure but also the abuse he faced. he saw a small short clip of| faced. he saw a small short clip of ivanka trump, _ faced. he saw a small short clip of ivanka trump, the _ faced. he saw a small short clip of ivanka trump, the oldest - faced. he saw a small short clip of| ivanka trump, the oldest daughter faced. he saw a small short clip of. ivanka trump, the oldest daughter of the president. — ivanka trump, the oldest daughter of the president, where _ ivanka trump, the oldest daughter of the president, where she _ ivanka trump, the oldest daughter of the president, where she talked - the president, where she talked about— the president, where she talked about the — the president, where she talked about the conversation - the president, where she talked about the conversation betweenj the president, where she talked - about the conversation between mike pence _ about the conversation between mike pence and _ about the conversation between mike pence and the — about the conversation between mike pence and the president _ about the conversation between mike pence and the president on _ about the conversation between mike pence and the president on the - pence and the president on the morning — pence and the president on the morning of— pence and the president on the morning of that _ pence and the president on the morning of that day _ pence and the president on the morning of that day described i pence and the president on the i morning of that day described as pretty— morning of that day described as pretty heated _ morning of that day described as pretty heated and _ morning of that day described as pretty heated and another- morning of that day described as. pretty heated and another witness reported _ pretty heated and another witness reported that _ pretty heated and another witness reported that donald _ pretty heated and another witness reported that donald trump - pretty heated and another witnessj reported that donald trump called mike pence — reported that donald trump called mike pence a _ reported that donald trump called mike pence a wimp— reported that donald trump called mike pence a wimp and _ reported that donald trump called mike pence a wimp and use - reported that donald trump called i mike pence a wimp and use another slur mike pence a wimp and use another siurand— mike pence a wimp and use another siur and also — mike pence a wimp and use another slur and also said he _ mike pence a wimp and use another slur and also said he made - mike pence a wimp and use another slur and also said he made a - mike pence a wimp and use anotherl slur and also said he made a mistake using him _ slur and also said he made a mistake using him as — slur and also said he made a mistake using him as vice _ slur and also said he made a mistake using him as vice president. - slur and also said he made a mistake using him as vice president. the - using him as vice president. the allies— using him as vice president. the aiiies that — using him as vice president. the aiiies that i _ using him as vice president. the allies that i mentioned - using him as vice president. the allies that i mentioned there, i using him as vice president. the i allies that i mentioned there, mike pence's_ allies that i mentioned there, mike pence's teen — allies that i mentioned there, mike pence's teen him _ allies that i mentioned there, mike pence's teen him and _ allies that i mentioned there, mike pence's teen him and to— allies that i mentioned there, mike pence's teen him and to give - allies that i mentioned there, mike pence's teen him and to give you l allies that i mentioned there, mike pence's teen him and to give you a j pence's teen him and to give you a quick— pence's teen him and to give you a quick read — pence's teen him and to give you a quick read about _ pence's teen him and to give you a quick read about what _ pence's teen him and to give you a quick read about what they- pence's teen him and to give you a quick read about what they said. i pence's teen him and to give you a i quick read about what they said. his chief of— quick read about what they said. his chief of staff — quick read about what they said. his chief of staff said _ quick read about what they said. his chief of staff said that _ quick read about what they said. his chief of staff said that mike - quick read about what they said. his chief of staff said that mike pence . chief of staff said that mike pence told donald — chief of staff said that mike pence told donald trump _ chief of staff said that mike pence told donald trump many - chief of staff said that mike pence told donald trump many times i chief of staff said that mike pencel told donald trump many times did chief of staff said that mike pence - told donald trump many times did not have the _ told donald trump many times did not have the power to _ told donald trump many times did not have the power to overturn _ told donald trump many times did not have the power to overturn the - have the power to overturn the election— have the power to overturn the election results. _ have the power to overturn the election results. his _ have the power to overturn the election results. his former- have the power to overturn the i election results. his former white house _ election results. his former white house council— election results. his former white house council george _ election results. his former white house council george jacobs, - election results. his former whitej house council george jacobs, said that the _ house council george jacobs, said that the lawyer for— house council george jacobs, said that the lawyer for donald - house council george jacobs, said that the lawyer for donald trumpl house council george jacobs, said - that the lawyer for donald trump who helped _ that the lawyer for donald trump who helped to _ that the lawyer for donald trump who helped to legaliy—

that the lawyer for donald trump who helped to legally advance _ that the lawyer for donald trump who helped to legally advance this - helped to legally advance this theory— helped to legally advance this theory of— helped to legally advance this theory of overturning - helped to legally advance this theory of overturning the - helped to legally advance this - theory of overturning the election results _ theory of overturning the election results admitted _ theory of overturning the election results admitted two _ theory of overturning the election results admitted two days - theory of overturning the election results admitted two days before | theory of overturning the election . results admitted two days before the attack _ results admitted two days before the attack in _ results admitted two days before the attack in front — results admitted two days before the attack in front of— results admitted two days before the attack in front of donald _ results admitted two days before the attack in front of donald trump - results admitted two days before the attack in front of donald trump thatl attack in front of donald trump that the plan _ attack in front of donald trump that the plan violated _ attack in front of donald trump that the plan violated the _ attack in front of donald trump that the plan violated the law. _ attack in front of donald trump that the plan violated the law. so - attack in front of donald trump that the plan violated the law. so the . the plan violated the law. so the committee — the plan violated the law. so the committee is _ the plan violated the law. so the committee is using _ the plan violated the law. so the committee is using lots- the plan violated the law. so the committee is using lots of- the plan violated the law. so the i committee is using lots of footage, and evidence — committee is using lots of footage, and evidence to _ committee is using lots of footage, and evidence to paint— committee is using lots of footage, and evidence to paint a _ committee is using lots of footage, and evidence to paint a picture - committee is using lots of footage, and evidence to paint a picture of. and evidence to paint a picture of exactly how — and evidence to paint a picture of exactly how donald _ and evidence to paint a picture of exactly how donald trump, - and evidence to paint a picture of exactly how donald trump, theyl and evidence to paint a picture of- exactly how donald trump, they say, knew _ exactly how donald trump, they say, knew what _ exactly how donald trump, they say, knew what he — exactly how donald trump, they say, knew what he was _ exactly how donald trump, they say, knew what he was doing _ exactly how donald trump, they say, knew what he was doing that - exactly how donald trump, they say, knew what he was doing that day, . exactly how donald trump, they say, | knew what he was doing that day, the heat took _ knew what he was doing that day, the heat took part — knew what he was doing that day, the heat took part in _ knew what he was doing that day, the heat took part in its _ knew what he was doing that day, the heat took part in its illegal— heat took part in its illegal strategy _ heat took part in its illegal strategy and one - heat took part in its illegal strategy and one that - heat took part in its illegal. strategy and one that almost heat took part in its illegal- strategy and one that almost got mike pence — strategy and one that almost got mike pence killed. _ strategy and one that almost got mike pence killed.— strategy and one that almost got mike pence killed. thank you very much indeed. _ joining us now is miles taylor, who worked as homeland security chief of staff during the trump presidency and co—founder of the renew america movement that aims to combat extremisim in american politics. thank you very much for taking the time to talk to us here and welcome back to my two panelists as well. miles, first of all to you, what do you make of today?— you make of today? look, it was another powerful _ you make of today? look, it was another powerful day _ you make of today? look, it was another powerful day with - you make of today? look, it was another powerful day with the i you make of today? look, it was - another powerful day with the select committee, another really compelling hearing and again they have done

something that i think is really resonating with the american people. they are not putting forward left leaning scholars and pundits. they are putting forward republicans and even more significant than that people who were appointed by donald trump and like me worked in the trump and like me worked in the trump administration who are criticising his approach to the 2020 elections and more significantly indicating how serious those conversations about a political coup actually were. in fact, perhaps the most damning thing that was said in the hearing today from mike luttig, who is a conservative formerjudge and well respected as someone long talked about evidently being omitted to the supreme court by a republican president, the most damning thing he said is that in his view if donald trump ozment planet gone forward it would precipitated the serious constitutional crisis in the united states since the country's founding. this is a man who is not known for

verbally but not known for overstating the facts, and it very significantly hearing him describing it in that way. so i was a today's hearings were impactful efforts on the reset may have gotten a little bit lawyerly, a little bit into the legal minutia and the details, but ultimately in those details we see how sophisticated this plot was and how sophisticated this plot was and how wide—ranging it was. we are not just talking about donald trump being complicit in an effort to overturn the results of the 2020 election, but a wide network of advisers and supporters all the way into the us congress that aided and abetted that attempted political coup. abetted that attempted political cou -. , ., , ., abetted that attempted political cou. , ., ., coup. interesting that you said that because a lot _ coup. interesting that you said that because a lot of _ coup. interesting that you said that because a lot of the _ coup. interesting that you said that because a lot of the hearing - coup. interesting that you said that because a lot of the hearing today | because a lot of the hearing today was about the advice given to donald trump by his attorney doctorjohn eastman and whether he knew all along that mike pence had no legal right to overturn results in before we move on i want you to listen to this exchange between greg jacobs and the democratic committee member p aguilar.

did dr eastman ever tell you what he thought the us supreme court would do if it had to decide this issue? yes. we had an extended discussion, an hour and a half to two- hours, onjanuary 5th, _ and when i pressed him on the point, i i said, "john, if the vice presidentl did what you were asking him to do, we would lose 9—0 in _ the supreme court, wouldn't we?" iand he initially started, "well, i i think maybe we would lose only 7—2," and after some further discussion, acknowledged, l "well, yeah, you're right, we would lose 9—0." - so they knew they would lose either way. it so they knew they would lose either wa . ., , so they knew they would lose either wa , ., , . " so they knew they would lose either wa. ., , ., ., way. it goes back to really a credit to the committee _ way. it goes back to really a credit to the committee in _ way. it goes back to really a credit to the committee in being - way. it goes back to really a credit to the committee in being so - to the committee in being so methodical in presenting this case. it's one thing to show that donald trump has the intent to overturn the election and it's an entirely different thing to show that he knew the legal basis on which he was relying, communicating to the

american public and acting on, was false. that it was hollow. this is where you will see the us department ofjustice pick up a lot of the work ofjustice pick up a lot of the work of the select committee and carry it potentially into criminal prosecutions and this is not a political show trial, this is actually a fact—finding mission that will i believe likely lead to very real and serious criminal prosecutions and even potentially reaching up to the former president himself. so, it is important that the committee has presented this case from the insiders and notjust from the outsiders and it's made it much more compelling and again from a legal standpoint a much stronger body of evidentiary material for prosecutors to rely on. amanda, do ou auree prosecutors to rely on. amanda, do you agree with _ prosecutors to rely on. amanda, do you agree with that? _ prosecutors to rely on. amanda, do you agree with that? do _ prosecutors to rely on. amanda, do you agree with that? do you - prosecutors to rely on. amanda, do you agree with that? do you think l you agree with that? do you think having these insiders is really key to playing at the story to the american public and the committee wants to? ~ ,,., , american public and the committee wants to? ~ , , ~ i. wants to? absolutely. and when you think about before _ wants to? absolutely. and when you think about before these _ wants to? absolutely. and when you think about before these hearings, l think about before these hearings, there _ think about before these hearings, there was— think about before these hearings, there was a lot of confusion, there were _ there was a lot of confusion, there were voices — there was a lot of confusion, there were voices mostly from the democratic party and sort of coming

and going _ democratic party and sort of coming and going and what you are seeing in these _ and going and what you are seeing in these hearings is number one a clarity— these hearings is number one a clarity of— these hearings is number one a clarity of who was there, who knew what _ clarity of who was there, who knew what and _ clarity of who was there, who knew what and how was donald trump engaged — what and how was donald trump engaged. the second is you are seeing — engaged. the second is you are seeing different voices, trusted leaders — seeing different voices, trusted leaders in the republican party within— leaders in the republican party within the circles that have a lot of respect — within the circles that have a lot of respect not only in the legal world — of respect not only in the legal world but in the republican and party— world but in the republican and party and — world but in the republican and party and political world. and then third. _ party and political world. and then third. you — party and political world. and then third, you are releasing some of these _ third, you are releasing some of these facts come to light. so it is notjust— these facts come to light. so it is notjust a — these facts come to light. so it is notjust a storyline coming together, is that you see the picture — together, is that you see the picture of— together, is that you see the picture of mike pence's daughter in the room — picture of mike pence's daughter in the room. you see his wife closing the room. you see his wife closing the shades, and so it's a little bit of troth— the shades, and so it's a little bit of both hearts and pulling on heartstrings to understand and be in the room _ heartstrings to understand and be in the room but also the legalese. so people _ the room but also the legalese. so people might have gotten lost in those _ people might have gotten lost in those legal conversations, but that audience _ those legal conversations, but that audience was the department of justice _ audience was the department of justice and so the comprehensiveness of this— justice and so the comprehensiveness of this conversation, these hearings, had been everything to really— hearings, had been everything to really carry this forward.- really carry this forward. paul, what do you — really carry this forward. paul, what do you make _ really carry this forward. paul, what do you make of the - really carry this forward. paul, what do you make of the fact i really carry this forward. paul, i what do you make of the fact that these hearings are pushing a

different narrative to what president trump is pushing himself? i think it's really interesting as amanda — i think it's really interesting as amanda just _ i think it's really interesting as amanda just said, _ i think it's really interesting as amanda just said, the - i think it's really interesting as amanda just said, the sort- i think it's really interesting as amanda just said, the sort of. i think it's really interesting as- amanda just said, the sort of human story— amanda just said, the sort of human story of— amanda just said, the sort of human story of what — amanda just said, the sort of human story of what happened _ amanda just said, the sort of human story of what happened to _ amanda just said, the sort of human story of what happened to mike - story of what happened to mike pence. — story of what happened to mike pence. that _ story of what happened to mike pence, that footage _ story of what happened to mike pence, that footage is - story of what happened to mike pence, that footage is quite - pence, that footage is quite shocking _ pence, that footage is quite shocking footage _ pence, that footage is quite shocking footage of- pence, that footage is quite shocking footage of mike i pence, that footage is quite - shocking footage of mike pence being bundled _ shocking footage of mike pence being bundled away — shocking footage of mike pence being bundled away for _ shocking footage of mike pence being bundled away for his _ shocking footage of mike pence being bundled away for his own _ shocking footage of mike pence being bundled away for his own safety - shocking footage of mike pence being bundled away for his own safety and i bundled away for his own safety and there _ bundled away for his own safety and there is— bundled away for his own safety and there is this — bundled away for his own safety and there is this well—worn _ bundled away for his own safety and there is this well—worn phrase of. there is this well—worn phrase of there is this well—worn phrase of the vice — there is this well—worn phrase of the vice presidency— there is this well—worn phrase of the vice presidency is _ there is this well—worn phrase of the vice presidency is a - there is this well—worn phrase of| the vice presidency is a heartbeat away— the vice presidency is a heartbeat away from — the vice presidency is a heartbeat away from the _ the vice presidency is a heartbeat away from the presidency. - the vice presidency is a heartbeat away from the presidency. look i the vice presidency is a heartbeat. away from the presidency. look like he was _ away from the presidency. look like he was a _ away from the presidency. look like he was a heartbeat _ away from the presidency. look like he was a heartbeat away _ away from the presidency. look like he was a heartbeat away from - away from the presidency. look like he was a heartbeat away from a - he was a heartbeat away from a violent — he was a heartbeat away from a violent revolution _ he was a heartbeat away from a violent revolution and _ he was a heartbeat away from a violent revolution and those - he was a heartbeat away from a - violent revolution and those images ithink— violent revolution and those images i think will— violent revolution and those images i think will shock _ violent revolution and those images i think will shock many _ violent revolution and those images i think will shock many people - violent revolution and those images i think will shock many people right| i think will shock many people right around _ i think will shock many people right around the — i think will shock many people right around the world _ i think will shock many people right around the world because - i think will shock many people right around the world because don't - around the world because don't forget — around the world because don't forget we — around the world because don't forget we should _ around the world because don't forget we should not _ around the world because don't forget we should not forget - around the world because don'tl forget we should not forget how shocking — forget we should not forget how shocking this _ forget we should not forget how shocking this is. _ forget we should not forget how shocking this is. this— forget we should not forget how shocking this is. this is- forget we should not forget how shocking this is. this is if- forget we should not forget how shocking this is. this is if you i shocking this is. this is if you were — shocking this is. this is if you were in— shocking this is. this is if you were in a _ shocking this is. this is if you were in a developing - shocking this is. this is if you were in a developing countryl shocking this is. this is if you - were in a developing country with a dictator— were in a developing country with a dictator who — were in a developing country with a dictator who does _ were in a developing country with a dictator who does not _ were in a developing country with a dictator who does not like - were in a developing country with a dictator who does not like the - dictator who does not like the result— dictator who does not like the result of an _ dictator who does not like the result of an election - dictator who does not like the result of an election so he - dictator who does not like the i result of an election so he tries dictator who does not like the - result of an election so he tries to rewrite the — result of an election so he tries to rewrite the rules. _ result of an election so he tries to rewrite the rules. and _ result of an election so he tries to rewrite the rules. and in- result of an election so he tries to rewrite the rules. and in britain. result of an election so he tries toi rewrite the rules. and in britain we had a brexit— rewrite the rules. and in britain we had a brexit referendum _ rewrite the rules. and in britain we had a brexit referendum which - rewrite the rules. and in britain we had a brexit referendum which was relatively— had a brexit referendum which was relatively peaceful, _ had a brexit referendum which was relatively peaceful, obviously, - had a brexit referendum which was relatively peaceful, obviously, it. relatively peaceful, obviously, it was as— relatively peaceful, obviously, it was as if— relatively peaceful, obviously, it was as if david _ relatively peaceful, obviously, it was as if david cameron - relatively peaceful, obviously, itj was as if david cameron decided relatively peaceful, obviously, it. was as if david cameron decided in 2016 he _ was as if david cameron decided in 2016 he did — was as if david cameron decided in 2016 he did not _ was as if david cameron decided in 2016 he did not like _ was as if david cameron decided in 2016 he did not like that— was as if david cameron decided in 2016 he did not like that result - was as if david cameron decided inj 2016 he did not like that result and he wanted — 2016 he did not like that result and he wanted to— 2016 he did not like that result and he wanted to insights _ 2016 he did not like that result and he wanted to insights and - he wanted to insights and violent revolution — he wanted to insights and violent revolution within _ he wanted to insights and violent revolution within the _ he wanted to insights and violent revolution within the house - he wanted to insights and violent revolution within the house of i revolution within the house of commons _ revolution within the house of commons. when— revolution within the house of commons. when he _ revolution within the house of commons. when he put- revolution within the house of commons. when he put it - revolution within the house ofj commons. when he put it like revolution within the house of - commons. when he put it like that, you just _ commons. when he put it like that, you just realise _ commons. when he put it like that, you just realise how— commons. when he put it like that, you just realise how extraordinary. you just realise how extraordinary this really was _ you just realise how extraordinary this really was.— i want to play you another clip

fromj michael luttig. he made it clear at multiple points during his testimony that he sees donald trump as still being a major threat to the us. donald trump and his allies and supporters are a clear and present danger to american democracy. that is a good film with harrison ford in clear and present danger in seriousness what he is saying is president trump is still a threat to american argosy as far as he is concerned. american argosy as far as he is concerned-— concerned. yeah, you cannot overstate _ concerned. yeah, you cannot overstate that. _ concerned. yeah, you cannot overstate that. and - concerned. yeah, you cannot overstate that. and a - concerned. yeah, you cannot overstate that. and a lot - concerned. yeah, you cannot overstate that. and a lot of i concerned. yeah, you cannot - overstate that. and a lot of folks will say it sounds hyperbolic and they would like to think that donald trump's loss in 2020 means that the

threat has receded. there is some realism that needs to be brought to that conversation. donald trump will very likely be running again for president of states next year, and perhaps equally as shocking if the republicans retake the house representatives, many of them have expressed a desire to impeach sitting presidentjoe biden. so a yearfrom now the sitting presidentjoe biden. so a year from now the fact that we might be facing a possibility of donald trump running for the presidency again and the current president getting impeached throws american political system intentionally back into a great deal of turmoil. that is extremely alarming. but what you also have to ask yourself is what a second donald trump term would look like. i served second donald trump term would look like. iserved in second donald trump term would look like. i served in the first term, and we had a misguided view that the unelected bureaucrats around the president could serve as guardrails to keep him in check. it turned out that our view was completely misguided because the president's systematically dismantled as

guardrails of the fire the people who said no to him and promoted the people who said yes to him and the oval office became an echo chamber. and they sang in literature is that pastis and they sang in literature is that past is prologue and if we want to understand what a second term of donald trump would look like, we need only to look at the events that led up to and including january the 6th and the insurrection at the capitol building. it would be an extremely tumultuous point in american history and one that i think it's no stretch to say could pose a threat to american democracy overall in the long run. [30 pose a threat to american democracy overall in the long run.— overall in the long run. do you auree overall in the long run. do you agree with _ overall in the long run. do you agree with that _ overall in the long run. do you agree with that assessment? l overall in the long run. do you agree with that assessment? i overall in the long run. do you - agree with that assessment? i do. what works _ agree with that assessment? i do. what works gets _ agree with that assessment? i do. what works gets repeated, and if the idea of— what works gets repeated, and if the idea of misinformation, of calling something a fraud when you lose and that actually gets you more support will get repeated unless it is stopped. and part of what is so important — stopped. and part of what is so important about this conversation that is— important about this conversation that is happening across american now and _ that is happening across american now and why it needs to continue is because _ now and why it needs to continue is because you — now and why it needs to continue is because you simply cannot allow life to take _ because you simply cannot allow life to take hold that undue democracy.

today's _ to take hold that undue democracy. today's testimony will, i think i might— today's testimony will, i think i might be — today's testimony will, i think i might be really viewed in the course of history— might be really viewed in the course of history is — might be really viewed in the course of history is a really important moment— of history is a really important moment for the republican party, but for our— moment for the republican party, but for our country at large and calling it a clear— for our country at large and calling it a clear and present danger and one that — it a clear and present danger and one that we want to forget so that it does— one that we want to forget so that it does not— one that we want to forget so that it does not happen again. gk, it does not happen again. 0k, thank you. amanda. _ it does not happen again. 0k, thank you, amanda, and _ it does not happen again. 0k, thank you, amanda, and thank _ it does not happen again. 0k, thank you, amanda, and thank you - it does not happen again. 0k, thank you, amanda, and thank you very i it does not happen again. 0k, thank- you, amanda, and thank you very much to you, miles taylor, forjoining us on the context. to you, miles taylor, for “oining us on the content now the fallout from the resignation of borisjohnson's ethics adviser. this is how one tory mp described it in the house of commons. for the prime minister to lose one adviser on ministers�* interests may be regarded as misfortune, but to lose two looks like carelessness. that was tory mp william wragg referring to lord geidt, who quit last night, and sir alex allan, who resigned the same role two years ago. lord geidt says he resigned after being placed in what he called an "impossible and odious" position over a plan to risk breaking the ministerial code. in his resignation letter, he described this as an "affront", adding...

"i can have no part in this." in response, borisjohnson said... downing street have not committed to a new ethics adviser. in his letter to the pime minister, lord geidt said he had come close to resigning over partygate, but it was a request for advice on a trade deal that had left him with no choice but quit. let's bring our guests back into this and paul, what do you make of that? not resigning over partygate but resigning over a tray deal over steel? ., ., ~ but resigning over a tray deal over steel? . . ~' . �* , , steel? yeah, and i think that's why a lot of the — steel? yeah, and i think that's why a lot of the public _ steel? yeah, and i think that's why a lot of the public will _ steel? yeah, and i think that's why a lot of the public will be _ steel? yeah, and i think that's why a lot of the public will be a - steel? yeah, and i think that's why a lot of the public will be a bit - a lot of the public will be a bit baffled — a lot of the public will be a bit baffled by this. how on earth can the ethics — baffled by this. how on earth can the ethics adviser get bogged out and perhaps the minutia of something potentially quite popular, which is a policy— potentially quite popular, which is a policy to— potentially quite popular, which is a policy to protect british steel jobs _ a policy to protect british steel jobs. that is what seems to be an objection— jobs. that is what seems to be an objection to — jobs. that is what seems to be an objection to because he felt that will be _ objection to because he felt that will be a — objection to because he felt that will be a breach of international law and —

will be a breach of international law and also of the ministerial conduct — law and also of the ministerial conduct. so in many ways, i think for chanson— conduct. so in many ways, i think for chanson yet again has proved how lucky a prime minister he is because the reason _ lucky a prime minister he is because the reason given today for this resignation is one that actually in terms _ resignation is one that actually in terms of— resignation is one that actually in terms of its impact on the public may not— terms of its impact on the public may not land very well. but that is why i_ may not land very well. but that is why i think— may not land very well. but that is why i think ultimately what is more important — why i think ultimately what is more important is the fact that he has resigned — important is the fact that he has resigned it off because it's obvious this was— resigned it off because it's obvious this was the straw that broke the camel's — this was the straw that broke the camel's. this was after all the lockdown— camel's. this was after all the lockdown rule breaking in number ten and it— lockdown rule breaking in number ten and it felt— lockdown rule breaking in number ten and it felt today reading that letter — and it felt today reading that letter that this was like a supply teacher— letter that this was like a supply teacher who is finally coming to the end of— teacher who is finally coming to the end of their— teacher who is finally coming to the end of their tether with a really unruly— end of their tether with a really unruly pupil pressing their buttons and they— unruly pupil pressing their buttons and they have just had enough. and they want— and they have just had enough. and they want to do something. the problem — they want to do something. the problem is i suppose that the way this will be spun is that the prime minister— this will be spun is that the prime minister will get away with it, but ultimately the trust is gone amongst quite a _ ultimately the trust is gone amongst quite a large section of the population in terms of what he did over partygate. this won't have a much more — over partygate. this won't have a much more material impact on them.

what _ much more material impact on them. what do _ much more material impact on them. what do you — much more material impact on them. what do you make of what is going on in british politics, fascinating for someone involved in american politics and see what is happening here? it politics and see what is happening here? , ., , politics and see what is happening here? , . , ., politics and see what is happening here? , ., ., politics and see what is happening here? , ., here? it breaks my heart to actually see ublic here? it breaks my heart to actually see public service _ here? it breaks my heart to actually see public service anywhere, - here? it breaks my heart to actually see public service anywhere, both i see public service anywhere, both here and — see public service anywhere, both here and around _ see public service anywhere, both here and around the _ see public service anywhere, both here and around the world, - see public service anywhere, bothj here and around the world, where see public service anywhere, both - 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when you begin to see many of them resigning, there is a cause _ when you begin to see many of them resigning, there is a cause for- resigning, there is a cause for concern — resigning, there is a cause for concern and _ resigning, there is a cause for concern and anyone watching i concern and anyone watching public institutions — concern and anyone watching public institutions as _ concern and anyone watching public institutions as a _ concern and anyone watching public institutions as a what _ concern and anyone watching public institutions as a what is _ concern and anyone watching public institutions as a what is going - concern and anyone watching public institutions as a what is going on i institutions as a what is going on institutions as a what is going on in there. — institutions as a what is going on in there. how— institutions as a what is going on in there, how do _ institutions as a what is going on in there, how do we _ institutions as a what is going on in there, how do we fix - institutions as a what is going on in there, how do we fix it - institutions as a what is going on in there, how do we fix it so- institutions as a what is going on in there, how do we fix it so it i in there, how do we fix it so it becomes— in there, how do we fix it so it becomes again _ in there, how do we fix it so it becomes again a _ in there, how do we fix it so it becomes again a moment i in there, how do we fix it so it becomes again a moment of. in there, how do we fix it so it - becomes again a moment of honour to becomes again a moment of honour to be able _ becomes again a moment of honour to be able to— becomes again a moment of honour to be able to be a— becomes again a moment of honour to be able to be a public— becomes again a moment of honour to be able to be a public servant both i be able to be a public servant both whether you — be able to be a public servant both whether you are _ be able to be a public servant both whether you are appointed - be able to be a public servant both whether you are appointed or- be able to be a public servant both . whether you are appointed or whether you are _ whether you are appointed or whether you are elected~ — whether you are appointed or whether you are elected. if— whether you are appointed or whether you are elected. if there _ whether you are appointed or whether you are elected. if there was - whether you are appointed or whether you are elected. if there was a - whether you are appointed or whether you are elected. if there was a red - you are elected. if there was a red flag for— you are elected. if there was a red flag for me — you are elected. if there was a red flag for me as _ you are elected. if there was a red flag for me as i _ you are elected. if there was a red flag for me as i watch _ you are elected. if there was a red flag for me as i watch it. - flag for me as i watch it. amanda, thank you — the bank of england has pushed up interest rates again in an attempt to stem the pace of soaring prices. rates have increased from 1% to 1.25%, the fifth consecutive rise, pushing them to the highest level in 13 years. the bank of england is also predicting that inflation in the uk will go above 11%. inflation is being pushed up by a number of factors — the ukraine war, the lockdown in china and impacts of brexit. and food is among the areas worst hit. james walton from the institute of grocery distribution explains. our analysis suggests that over the course of 2022, food prices are going to rise by between 10—12% for a shopper. and what that means is that for a typical household of, say, two adults, two children,

you're probably looking at around £520 onto the average food bill, which for a typical worker is about another week's worth of wages. times are tough really in many countries right now. paul, i want to bring you in here about the political reality of the cost of living. this is what former governor of the bank of england mervyn king wrote in the spectator magazine. is it the case at this government in the uk is telling people we've never had it so good when actually the reality is very different? i had it so good when actually the reality is very different?- reality is very different? i think he's not reality is very different? i think he's got a _ reality is very different? i think he's got a point _ reality is very different? i think he's got a point in _ reality is very different? i think he's got a point in the - reality is very different? i think he's got a point in the sense i reality is very different? i think l he's got a point in the sense that the government has not done enough pitch really— the government has not done enough pitch really for the public about the impact of the war in ukraine but more _ the impact of the war in ukraine but more widely the global conditions and obviously it uses them sometimes as an excuse _

and obviously it uses them sometimes as an excuse but i think what they have _ as an excuse but i think what they have hot— as an excuse but i think what they have not done is prepare people for what reatty— have not done is prepare people for what really would seem like a failure, — what really would seem like a failure, which is low economic growth — failure, which is low economic growth or— failure, which is low economic growth or even zero economic growth and then— growth or even zero economic growth and then a _ growth or even zero economic growth and then a pending recession. no government will talk about that but ithink— government will talk about that but ithink a _ government will talk about that but i think a dose of reality would be important — i think a dose of reality would be important because he is right but then again — important because he is right but then again there are the central bankers — then again there are the central bankers themselves to blame in some of this _ bankers themselves to blame in some of this. what they did with their interest— of this. what they did with their interest rate rises is send a signal for 18— interest rate rises is send a signal for 18 months down the line so what is going _ for 18 months down the line so what is going to _ for 18 months down the line so what is going to happen and the signals have treeh— is going to happen and the signals have been a bit mixed in recent months — have been a bit mixed in recent months. frequently they have not done _ months. frequently they have not done a _ months. frequently they have not done a brilliantjob, they are not skitted _ done a brilliantjob, they are not skitted it— done a brilliantjob, they are not skilled it seems that signalling as some _ skilled it seems that signalling as some politicians are, and it does raise the — some politicians are, and it does raise the question, previously one former— raise the question, previously one former bank of england governor was described _ former bank of england governor was described as an unreliable boyfriend because _ described as an unreliable boyfriend because the way he chopped on his messaging... | because the way he chopped on his messaging- - -_ because the way he chopped on his l messaging---_ no messaging... i know about those. no one wants those _ messaging... i know about those. no one wants those and _ messaging... i know about those. no one wants those and andrew - messaging... i know about those. no one wants those and andrew bailey l one wants those and andrew bailey may be _ one wants those and andrew bailey may be the current governor and it's 'ust may be the current governor and it's just as _

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notjust in terms of inflation, but right now the president is- right now the president is also having — right now the president is also having difficulty— right now the president is also having difficulty with - right now the president is also having difficulty with congressj having difficulty with congress being — having difficulty with congress being able _ having difficulty with congress being able to _ having difficulty with congress being able to pass— having difficulty with congress being able to pass something | having difficulty with congress l being able to pass something to having difficulty with congress - being able to pass something to try and help— being able to pass something to try and help people _ being able to pass something to try and help people with— being able to pass something to try and help people with prices that - and help people with prices that they are — and help people with prices that they are dealing with _ and help people with prices that they are dealing with a - 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other things as well coming up in a few minutes' time and stay with us on bbc news. hello there. cooler and cloudier again in the north and west with some outbreaks of rain for scotland and northern ireland. across england and wales, warm and mostly dry with plenty of sunshine around. the peak of the heat here will be tomorrow. it's set to feel hot and humid, but it's a brief hot spell because there is a cold front sinking southwards throughout the day, introducing coolerfeeling air, but also the possibility of some heavy, thundery downpours at times on saturday and sunday. more detail on that injust a moment. let's take a look at overnight tonight. now, it's going to feel quite muggy, uncomfortable for sleeping across much of england and wales, where temperatures won't drop much below 15 or 16 celsius, that humid airfeeding in from the south. across scotland and northern ireland, our weather front approaches, giving heavy, persistent downpours of rain, so the wind

is set to pick up as well. 0ur cold front will move southwards as we head throughout the day tomorrow. it's a weakening feature, so the rain really quite lively and patchy by the time it reaches northern england through the afternoon, northern wales as well. behind it, some fresherfeeling air, but also some sunny spells for scotland and northern ireland — it's not a bad afternoon here. the heat is across england and wales, temperatures will rise. just watch out for some low cloud, misty conditions for southwestern areas of england and possibly towards south wales as well towards the coasts. now, those temperatures, well, we could easily see the low 305 in celsius across london and east anglia. 33 locally, even 34. compare that to the average for the time of year. we're all coming into that fresher feeling air, though, remember, by the end of sunday. along with all the sunshine tomorrow, we'll see some very high pollen levels — hay fever sufferers, watch out. the uv levels will also be high. let's take a look at saturday. this is the thundery breakdown. the fresh air from the north meets warm air moving in from the south, very unstable air. there'll be some heavy,

thundery downpours probably in this sort of position as we head through saturday, also windy in the south. hanging onto the heat forjust one more day towards london and the southeast, but watch out for one or two showers. the focus of those showers is a little further south on sunday morning, but they will clear probably through the afternoon. there'll be sunny spells further north, but all into that now cooler feeling air, so we end the day between 16—20 celsius.

hello, i'm maryam moshiri. you're watching the context on bbc news. a show of support from eu leaders on a visit to kyiv — backing ukraine's bid tojoin the european union — calling for the country to be given immediate candidate status. the leaders of germany, france, italy and romania meet the country's president. mr zelensky said the attack on ukraine was an attack on all of europe — and only united action could stop it. sergei lavrov — russia's foreign minister — who's been at president putin's side for almost two decades — criticises the uk for its policy towards russia and said it would be an understatement to say relations between the two countries are "bad".

and coming up — houston we have a solution — how the texan city tackled homelessness — taking 25,000 people off the streets and into homes. tonight with the context, chief political commentator at the i newspaper paul waugh — and former advisor to hillary clinton amanda renteria. welcome back to the programme. let's look at what's happening in ukraine. the leaders of the three most powerful countries in the european union, italy, germany and france, visited kyiv today. french president emmanuel macron, german chancellor 0laf scholz and italian prime minister mario draghi travelled by overnight train. the trio visited irpin,

just outside of kyiv, where they saw evidence of the destruction caused by indiscriminate russian shelling. and they also met with president zelensky. all leaders committing to increase their support for ukraine, with more money, more humanitarian aid and, most importantly for ukraine, with more weapons. and emmanuel macron had this announcement. translation: all four of us support ukraine as an immediate candidate l for accession to the european union. president zelensky welcomed the visit from the three leaders and spoke of the importance of eu membership for ukraine. translation: we are ready to work for our state to become a full- member of the european union. ukrainians have already earned the right to get on this path and get this candidate status. as those talks were happening in kyiv, nato defence ministers were meeting in brussels, where they have not only been discussing increased

support for ukraine — but have also been talking about increasing nato forces in europe in the face of russian aggression. here's us secretary of defence loyd austin. we all share the responsibility to procure, prepare and provide ready capabilities and forces to prepare this alliance for the challenges to come. nato is also making plans to strengthen its deterrence and defence posture for the longer term, especially along the eastern flank. professor sergey radchenko joins me, he's a russian security expert atjohns hopkins school of advanced international studies, let me ask you about the leaders being in ukraine. it shows strength like this by these leaders is hugely important both symbolically and practically as well. absolutely.

it's a gesture of support for ukraine. there was speculation earlier about macron, for example, that he was looking for a way out for put nora some kind of off ramp that schultz was also drifting in that schultz was also drifting in that direction. i think the fact that direction. i think the fact that the three of them showed up in kyiv, the president of romania also joined, shows that there is considerable unity in the european union and commitment to ukraine and certainly we did not hear anything about seating territory to the russians are negotiating with russians are negotiating with russians stop at the timing is interesting as well, isn't it? the timing is interesting in terms of, of course, we are not sure where we are going with this war. the russians are making incremental gains and donbas. there has been discussion of potential negotiating with the russians fighting some sort of frame. the problem is the russians have not shown any desire

to negotiate. i think it's because putin thinks that time is on his side in the sense that he sees interest in the war in ukraine waning in the west. we have so many problems of our own spiralling inflation, energy costs, etc, etc. he's hoping to make more gains and negotiate from the position of strength. of course the ukrainians are hoping to push back against the russians because they cannot negotiate now. the russians are making gains. if ukrainians are able to push back and push the russians back towards february 2a, perhaps there could be some kind of an exit strategy for this conflict at this point. to strategy for this conflict at this oint. ., ~' strategy for this conflict at this oint. ., ,, ,., . point. to think the potential arrival of — point. to think the potential arrival of more _ point. to think the potential arrival of more weapons i point. to think the potentialj arrival of more weapons and point. to think the potential i arrival of more weapons and you point. to think the potential - arrival of more weapons and you can get them by european leaders are from wherever they come what effect potential negotiations, or would that not make any difference? this would make _ that not make any difference? this would make a _ that not make any difference? try 3 would make a huge difference. of course the ukrainians have been asking for more and more effective weapons for some time. those weapons are being delivered, the ukrainians are being delivered, the ukrainians

are complaining that they are not being delivered fast enough or in sufficient quality. armed with these new weapons, and remember, we have logistical issues, and also training issues how to use those weapons. but those are overcome with time and ukraine is able to launch a counter offensive and donbas to our so—called land bridge, that is ukraine's exit to the sea. perhaps they would get a better position for negotiating and finding some sort of negotiated solution to this conflict later on. they have to show themselves on the battlefield. star; themselves on the battlefield. stay with us, because _ themselves on the battlefield. stay with us, because an exclusive for the bbc, the russian foreign minister sergei live arrived, one of vladimir putin's is a stylised and he has in fact you known him for a while and has been with them for the last few years. ——of vladimir putin's closest allies, and has been

for the last 18 years. now as the bloody war in ukraine continues, he has sat down with our russia editor steve rosenberg for an interview. take a listen.

interesting there that he named borisjohnson and related stress, the foreign secretary, and talking about the relationship of the uk not having much room to manoeuvre at all. i having much room to manoeuvre at all. ., . , . , all. i thought it was a bit hilarious _ all. i thought it was a bit hilarious talking - all. i thought it was a bit hilarious talking about . all. i thought it was a bit - hilarious talking about politicians being fixated on elections and on winning then given the mass corruption and democratic system in russia. i think we will take that with a pinch of salt in the west. but what was significant today was finally european union honouring its commitments to stand by ukraine. don't forget, it has seen such a tragedy, it has taken a war for the eu to actually wake up and realise that ukraine really desperately wants to join. that ukraine really desperately wants tojoin. getting candidate status is obviously a big step forward and hopefully they will be fast tracking data. there are obviously lots of hurdles to cross, even today, the president, the prime minister portugal said there is a risk of creating false expectations for quick membership, but still the

fact is that the 2014 maiden revolution was effectively started by a desire to have closer trade things at the air band to bond with europe and i think that's what really significant about seeing those three leaders today in kyiv. let me ask you about the interview, because it's unsurprising he will push this position forward, given how the uk has supported ukraine over the last few months.- over the last few months. writes, and he was _ over the last few months. writes, and he wasjust — over the last few months. writes, and he wasjust lying, _ over the last few months. writes, and he wasjust lying, place i over the last few months. writes, and he wasjust lying, place -- i and he wasjust lying, place —— blatantly— and he wasjust lying, place —— blatantly lying saying we did not invade _ blatantly lying saying we did not invade ukraine. hello. they invaded ukraine _ invade ukraine. hello. they invaded ukraine and — invade ukraine. hello. they invaded ukraine and continue to invade ukraine — ukraine and continue to invade ukraine it _ ukraine and continue to invade ukraine. it is so blatant, you don't even _ ukraine. it is so blatant, you don't even know— ukraine. it is so blatant, you don't even know where to begin with statements like this. the reality is and we _ statements like this. the reality is and we know this, he did not want this were — and we know this, he did not want this were to— and we know this, he did not want this were to happen. he was trying to talk— this were to happen. he was trying to talk putin out of it as far as we can tett~ — to talk putin out of it as far as we can tett~ but— to talk putin out of it as far as we can tell. but since it has begun to my rob has — can tell. but since it has begun to my rob has backed the government and the most _

my rob has backed the government and the most hideous fashion, lying, covering — the most hideous fashion, lying, covering up for work crimes and so on and _ covering up for work crimes and so on and so — covering up for work crimes and so on and so forth. he should have retired — on and so forth. he should have retired a — on and so forth. he should have retired a long time ago, that he would _ retired a long time ago, that he would be — retired a long time ago, that he would be writing his memoirs now instead _ would be writing his memoirs now instead of— would be writing his memoirs now instead of getting out interviews defending his country's atrocious record _ defending his country's atrocious record. ~ , record. where but he retired to? he wouldn't be — record. where but he retired to? he wouldn't be allowed _ record. where but he retired to? he wouldn't be allowed anywhere i record. where but he retired to? he wouldn't be allowed anywhere nowi wouldn't be allowed anywhere now stop but i think he missed his chance. i think a lot of those people are now hostages i put in's machine. amanda, let me bring you in here. clearly ukraine is in need of more weapons, in need of more support in terms of the eu. what does that feeling in the us in terms of how the government has behaved and pushed agendas as far as ukraine goes a step and i think there is still confidence in him this administration is done. president biden does get credit when you have a picture like that some folks coming together, of nato coming together, this is actuallyjust showcasing that biden was right about how he carefully navigated the situation, being respectful of the

beach and but helping where he can. i also think the picture of vets, rights, we are seeing this formal affair and you see president zelensky show up in his green t—shirt really says a lot about his leadership in a country and i think that speaks volumes to the american people who are looking in on what does leadership mean around the world, what is happening over there? what is our involvement could make it really— what is our involvement could make it really gives — what is our involvement could make it really gives credibility— what is our involvement could make it really gives credibility to - what is our involvement could make it really gives credibility to not - it really gives credibility to not only what _ it really gives credibility to not only what is _ it really gives credibility to not only what is happening - it really gives credibility to not only what is happening to i it really gives credibility to not i only what is happening to ukraine but the _ only what is happening to ukraine but the alliance _ only what is happening to ukraine but the alliance and _ only what is happening to ukraine but the alliance and biden's - only what is happening to ukraine but the alliance and biden's role i only what is happening to ukrainel but the alliance and biden's role in that _ but the alliance and biden's role in that. �* , , . . but the alliance and biden's role in that. . ,, .. . ~ but the alliance and biden's role in that. . ,, ., ., that. a special thank you professor seru ei for that. a special thank you professor sergei forjoining _ that. a special thank you professor sergei forjoining us _ that. a special thank you professor sergei forjoining us on _ that. a special thank you professor sergei forjoining us on the - sergei forjoining us on the context. at any given time, roughly half a million people in the us live in homeless shelters or on the street, and after the pandemic it's only rising. in cities like new york and san fransisco local governments have tried implementing legislation, and have pledged billions of dollars to tackle the growing problem. but in america's fourth largest city— they aren'tjust investing

money into the issues, they are providing homes to those facing homelessness. in the past decade, houston, texas has worked together with other agencies to move over 25,000 people from the streets to homes of their own— making it the best city in the country at reducing homelessness. well let's bring in someone who helped with this initiative tao costis, ceo of search homeless services. thank you so much for taking the time tojoin us on thank you so much for taking the time to join us on the programme. how is it done? it's amazing how much progress houston has made in the last 10—11 years. taste much progress houston has made in the last 10-11 years.— the last 10-11 years. we certainly are fortunate _ the last 10-11 years. we certainly are fortunate in _ the last 10-11 years. we certainly are fortunate in that. _ the last 10-11 years. we certainly are fortunate in that. i _ the last10-11 years. we certainly are fortunate in that. i think- the last 10-11 years. we certainlyl are fortunate in that. i think there is a lot of practicality, there is a sense of willingness to let go of our own territory so that we can build upon each other�*s capabilities, resources and achieve bigger more meaningful impact by

working together, but it wasn't always the case. it took a lot of conversation and the government to really stepping in and putting in a little bit of pressure on us. teiiii little bit of pressure on us. tell me more _ little bit of pressure on us. tell me more about _ little bit of pressure on us. tell me more about the _ little bit of pressure on us. tell me more about the pressure, because i know it's the housing first approach, isn't it, that has really helped push the agenda in terms of houston. . �* , helped push the agenda in terms of houston. . �*, ., , ., houston. that's right. houston, we are in the south, _ houston. that's right. houston, we are in the south, and _ houston. that's right. houston, we are in the south, and there - houston. that's right. houston, we are in the south, and there is i are in the south, and there is a lapped of the attitude of people pulling themselves up by their own bootstraps, expecting people to arm their way into housing or having a job in order to be able to support themselves. —— having to earn their way into housing. that type of belief really did not help us. so housing first is a concept that had already been tested in other communities in the country, new york, washington state and others. so we were a little behind again, but housing and urban tell it the

next development had chosen ten cities around the country, ten cities around the country, ten cities who had been struggling significantly with a high number of people who are out on the streets or in a shelter, places not demands for long—term housing or even habitation him the end houston was one of those. and they said to us, love, you know, you have got to change what is happening there because they where putting resources into our community and we were not seeing the change. so we had to understand, first of all, the concept of housing first of all, the concept of housing first is about moving people directly from the street into their own homes and not expecting them to be a ball to be clean and sober, have a job and be able to sustain themselves yet. that is unrealistic. one analogy i read which i really liked and i want to tell her audience about, when you are drowning, doesn't help if you rescue there insists he learned to swim

before returning it to shore. you can address your issues once you are on land. that is basically what it's all about to get people into their own homes and, you know, if they have problems, which clearly a lot of them do, they can address them once they are there. we have to understand human psychology and the capability of somebody. if you are constantly worried about your safety, where you are going to find your next meal, where you are going to sleep tonight i'm a that is all you can focus on his survival, but if we expect people to be able to sustain themselves and be able to get a job and think about what is next, a goal, we always want people to have a next, a goal, we always want people to have ., ., next, a goal, we always want people to have . . , to have a goal, a purpose in their life, then they — to have a goal, a purpose in their life, then they have _ to have a goal, a purpose in their life, then they have to _ to have a goal, a purpose in their life, then they have to have i to have a goal, a purpose in their life, then they have to have their| life, then they have to have their basic needs met before they can even think about tomorrow and the next day and the next week and the next month. , , ., . , day and the next week and the next month. , ,., . , ., month. give me some example of --eole month. give me some example of people you _ month. give me some example of people you have _ month. give me some example of people you have helped, - month. give me some example of people you have helped, families| people you have helped, families that have had their lives changed and benefited from what has happened

here in houston.— here in houston. well, it is actually — here in houston. well, it is actually most _ here in houston. well, it is actually most of _ here in houston. well, it is actually most of our - here in houston. well, it is actually most of our clients here in houston. well, it is i actually most of our clients and here in houston. well, it is - actually most of our clients and the people that we serve prioritise first, the people who are the most vulnerable, so that too was the difference, helping people who are disabled, mentally, physically, struggling with drug addiction to move them specifically from the streets into a home. we have had an individual, randy and maggie had been out on the streets far, gosh, more than 20 years. been exposed in his young life to alcohol. his mum worked in a bar. he didn't have any other parents and really nobody watching over him, so his life had been exposed to the life of people living in or going in and out of the places where she worked. and he got

into alcohol so he became a functioning alcoholic, but really, it didn't work out well, naturally. so our team found him out on the streets and it wasn't quick and easy, but an apartment, a key way you are able to control the ability to come and go as you need when you need to get a job or when you need to go to work for us is when you need shelter, where you are your days and hours are prescribed and you are living with perhaps 100 other people. it's very different. some people say yes first to having their own place. so randy, he clearly was struggling with his alcohol addiction, clearly was struggling with his alcoholaddiction, but clearly was struggling with his alcohol addiction, but being in his own place, people actually reduce their consumption, their use of alcohol and sometimes drugs.

research our peace managers work with them once they are in a home, we don'tjust put them in an apartment and say, ok, good luck. now you are in a place. no, this is where the hard work really begins. so they are assigned a case manager, one of our case managers will be working with 25 residents at a time and the residents may be in one apartment complex or they may be scattered in a lot of different places throughout the city. so that relationship, that our case manager has with randy, as part of his, really, becomes his one lifeline to somebody who cares about ten and he has a relationship and friendship with. that's what's important here. that is lovely. thank you for that story, i want to bring in our panel now, because amanda coming to you live near san francisco and i've been reading the papers recently

about the rise in homelessness and the city. we think that cities like san francisco have a lot to learn from houston? clearly they do, but why do you think kemp you think this is not being taken nationwide, this method? . _, , ., method? there are couple of different ways _ method? there are couple of different ways that _ method? there are couple of different ways that cities i method? there are couple of different ways that cities are | different ways that cities are trying — different ways that cities are trying. so some are actually taking on the _ trying. so some are actually taking on the counselling at the beginning, summer— on the counselling at the beginning, summer housing first, so the good news _ summer housing first, so the good news here — summer housing first, so the good news here is that we are seeing something that's successful in houston. _ something that's successful in houston, and that will have a real impact _ houston, and that will have a real impact on — houston, and that will have a real impact on other housing efforts that are going _ impact on other housing efforts that are going around the country, and i do want _ are going around the country, and i do want to— are going around the country, and i do want to say it is great, hopeful to see _ do want to say it is great, hopeful to see what — do want to say it is great, hopeful to see what is happening to see that when _ to see what is happening to see that when you _ to see what is happening to see that when you can actually marry policy with implementation, with community— based with implementation, with community—based organisation, it is a recipe _ community—based organisation, it is a recipe for— community—based organisation, it is a recipe for success. more and more we need _ a recipe for success. more and more we need to do that because it is true, _ we need to do that because it is true, what worked in houston may not actually _ true, what worked in houston may not actually written san francisco, but if you _ actually written san francisco, but if you can — actually written san francisco, but if you can take some of the tenants of the _ if you can take some of the tenants of the best— if you can take some of the tenants of the best practices of who you need _ of the best practices of who you need around the table, that really is a recipe — need around the table, that really is a recipe for empowering communities, making sure we are

solving _ communities, making sure we are solving some of these big challenges that are _ solving some of these big challenges that are happening around our cities and in _ that are happening around our cities and in the _ that are happening around our cities and in the country, but really around — and in the country, but really around the world too.- and in the country, but really around the world too. paul, if you look at the _ around the world too. paul, if you look at the figueras _ around the world too. paul, if you look at the figueras ingestion, i around the world too. paul, if you i look at the figueras ingestion, 6296 look at the figueras ingestion, 62% cut to the number homeless people there since 2011. can you see any parallels with what's happening in uk cities? that parallels with what's happening in uk cities? �* parallels with what's happening in uk cities? . . . . parallels with what's happening in ukcities? . . . , .. ,, uk cities? at the dramatic success, isn't it? we — uk cities? at the dramatic success, isn't it? we should _ uk cities? at the dramatic success, isn't it? we should remember- uk cities? at the dramatic success, isn't it? we should remember that| uk cities? at the dramatic success, l isn't it? we should remember that it sometimes _ isn't it? we should remember that it sometimes take _ isn't it? we should remember that it sometimes take an _ isn't it? we should remember that it sometimes take an emergency - isn't it? we should remember that it sometimes take an emergency like i isn't it? we should remember that itj sometimes take an emergency like a pandemic to — sometimes take an emergency like a pandemic to make _ sometimes take an emergency like a pandemic to make you _ sometimes take an emergency like a pandemic to make you realise - sometimes take an emergency like a pandemic to make you realise that i pandemic to make you realise that radical— pandemic to make you realise that radical policies _ pandemic to make you realise that radical policies i _ pandemic to make you realise that radical policies i really— pandemic to make you realise that radical policies i really needed. i radical policies i really needed. homelessness— radical policies i really needed. homelessness actually- radical policies i really needed. homelessness actually fell- radical policies i really needed. i homelessness actually fell during the pandemic in britain. - homelessness actually fell during the pandemic in britain. why? i the pandemic in britain. why? because — the pandemic in britain. why? because the _ the pandemic in britain. why? because the government i the pandemic in britain. why? i because the government decided to back this _ because the government decided to back this policy— because the government decided to back this policy called _ because the government decided to back this policy called everyone i because the government decided to back this policy called everyone in, i back this policy called everyone in, which _ back this policy called everyone in, which is _ back this policy called everyone in, which is very— back this policy called everyone in, which is very similar _ back this policy called everyone in, which is very similar to _ back this policy called everyone in, which is very similar to mitigate i which is very similar to mitigate people — which is very similar to mitigate peopie emergency— which is very similar to mitigate people emergency hotel- which is very similar to mitigate people emergency hotel and i which is very similar to mitigate i people emergency hotel and other accommodation _ people emergency hotel and other accommodation to— people emergency hotel and other accommodation to street - people emergency hotel and other| accommodation to street sleepers, and effectively— accommodation to street sleepers, and effectively gave _ accommodation to street sleepers, and effectively gave them a - accommodation to street sleepers, and effectively gave them a home i accommodation to street sleepers, . and effectively gave them a home for the first— and effectively gave them a home for the first time, — and effectively gave them a home for the first time, many— and effectively gave them a home for the first time, many of— and effectively gave them a home for the first time, many of them, - the first time, many of them, and what _ the first time, many of them, and what has — the first time, many of them, and what has happened _ the first time, many of them, and what has happened since - the first time, many of them, and what has happened since then i the first time, many of them, and what has happened since then is i the first time, many of them, and i what has happened since then is that the government has— what has happened since then is that the government has tried _ what has happened since then is that the government has tried to - what has happened since then is that the government has tried to make i the government has tried to make sure that — the government has tried to make sure that things _ the government has tried to make sure that things like _ the government has tried to make sure that things like no—fault i sure that things like no—fault eviction, _ sure that things like no—fault eviction, they— sure that things like no—fault eviction, they are _ sure that things like no—fault eviction, they are talking - sure that things like no—fault . eviction, they are talking about that today, _ eviction, they are talking about that today, building _ eviction, they are talking about that today, building blocks - eviction, they are talking about that today, building blocks that create — that today, building blocks that create homelessness _ that today, building blocks that create homelessness are - that today, building blocks that create homelessness are trying that today, building blocks that i create homelessness are trying to slowly _ create homelessness are trying to slowly he — create homelessness are trying to slowly he bailed. _ create homelessness are trying to slowly he bailed. and _ create homelessness are trying to slowly he bailed. and i— create homelessness are trying to slowly he bailed. and i think- create homelessness are trying to slowly he bailed. and i think in. slowly he bailed. and i think in

greater— slowly he bailed. and i think in| greater manchester, the mayor slowly he bailed. and i think in- greater manchester, the mayor there actually _ greater manchester, the mayor there actually has _ greater manchester, the mayor there actually has tried _ greater manchester, the mayor there actually has tried to _ greater manchester, the mayor there actually has tried to implement - actually has tried to implement something _ actually has tried to implement something similar. _ actually has tried to implement something similar. so- actually has tried to implement something similar. so it's - actually has tried to implement| something similar. so it's about moving — something similar. so it's about moving away— something similar. so it's about moving away from _ something similar. so it's about moving away from emergency. moving away from emergency situations— moving away from emergency situations and _ moving away from emergency situations and making - moving away from emergency situations and making it - moving away from emergency- situations and making it embedded in the long _ situations and making it embedded in the long term — situations and making it embedded in the long term. the _ situations and making it embedded in the long term. the big _ situations and making it embedded in the long term. the big promise, - situations and making it embedded in the long term. the big promise, of. the long term. the big promise, of course, the — the long term. the big promise, of course, the cost _ the long term. the big promise, of course, the cost of _ the long term. the big promise, of course, the cost of living _ the long term. the big promise, of course, the cost of living crisis- the long term. the big promise, of course, the cost of living crisis is. course, the cost of living crisis is how leading _ course, the cost of living crisis is now leading to _ course, the cost of living crisis is now leading to an _ course, the cost of living crisis is now leading to an increase - course, the cost of living crisis is now leading to an increase in- course, the cost of living crisis is. now leading to an increase in street sleepers _ now leading to an increase in street sleepers a — now leading to an increase in street sleepers. a prediction— now leading to an increase in street sleepers. a prediction of— now leading to an increase in street sleepers. a prediction of a - now leading to an increase in street| sleepers. a prediction of a thousand more _ sleepers. a prediction of a thousand more in _ sleepers. a prediction of a thousand more in the — sleepers. a prediction of a thousand more in the uk is _ sleepers. a prediction of a thousand more in the uk is basically- sleepers. a prediction of a thousand more in the uk is basically becausei more in the uk is basically because people _ more in the uk is basically because peogie are — more in the uk is basically because people are suffering _ more in the uk is basically because people are suffering benefit - people are suffering benefit phrases, _ people are suffering benefit phrases, soaring _ people are suffering benefit phrases, soaring bills- people are suffering benefit phrases, soaring bills for. people are suffering benefit . phrases, soaring bills for food and energy. _ phrases, soaring bills for food and energy. so— phrases, soaring bills for food and energy. so we _ phrases, soaring bills for food and energy. so we are _ phrases, soaring bills for food and energy, so we are running - phrases, soaring bills for food and energy, so we are running up - phrases, soaring bills for food and energy, so we are running up and| energy, so we are running up and down _ energy, so we are running up and down escalator. _ energy, so we are running up and down escalator, unfortunately. i energy, so we are running up and i down escalator, unfortunately. 0k, thank ou down escalator, unfortunately. 0k, thank you very _ down escalator, unfortunately. thank you very much. thank you down escalator, unfortunately.“ thank you very much. thank you once again, it's been really good to have been on the programme. thank you. now it's time for the panel. that made me feel like a failed games show host. paul tree lover i hear, tell me more. i games show host. paul tree lover i hear, tell me more.— hear, tell me more. i spotted an extra in a _ hear, tell me more. i spotted an extra in a statistic— hear, tell me more. i spotted an extra in a statistic today - hear, tell me more. i spotted an extra in a statistic today that - extra in a statistic today that the cooling effect of a single young healthy street tree is the same as

ten rooms sized air—conditioners operating 20 hours a day. so ten rooms sized air-conditioners operating 20 hours a day. so why is it so hot outside? _ operating 20 hours a day. so why is it so hot outside? but _ operating 20 hours a day. so why is it so hot outside? but the _ operating 20 hours a day. so why is it so hot outside? but the fact - operating 20 hours a day. so why is it so hot outside? but the fact is . it so hot outside? but the fact is that if we didn't _ it so hot outside? but the fact is that if we didn't have _ it so hot outside? but the fact is that if we didn't have trees - it so hot outside? but the fact is that if we didn't have trees to i that if we didn't have trees to help us cool down, would it be even hotter? it's unusual obviously to have any kind of heat, we are not having a miserable wet summer, thank god, but at the same time, we don't want the other extreme, and i think there more we plant trees, the government has got a policy, the primitive stress got a policy to plant 30 million a year by 2025. i plant 30 million a year by 2025. i am surprised he's got time for that. there is a political consensus that we have to get a move on with it. we were the original the foresters in england down in europe and we have been lecturing the rest of the world 90s for a station, so it's nice to think that we are trying to tackle that. ., . ., think that we are trying to tackle that. ., , ., . think that we are trying to tackle that. . , . . , ., , that. that is a nice little story. thank you _ that. that is a nice little story. thank you for— that. that is a nice little story. thank you for that. _ that. that is a nice little story. thank you for that. i _ that. that is a nice little story. thank you for that. i want - that. that is a nice little story. thank you for that. i want to i that. that is a nice little story. - thank you for that. i want to bring in here because you want to talk about aliens. i in here because you want to talk about aliens.— in here because you want to talk about aliens. i do! i think they are interesting — about aliens. i do! i think they are interesting and _ about aliens. i do! i think they are interesting and there _ about aliens. i do! i think they are interesting and there was - about aliens. i do! i think they are interesting and there was a - about aliens. i do! i think they are interesting and there was a story | interesting and there was a story recently— interesting and there was a story recently where china actually thought _ recently where china actually thought they heard intelligent

language out there, put out her reports. — language out there, put out her reports, took it away, and i have to say. _ reports, took it away, and i have to say. my— reports, took it away, and i have to say. my kids. — reports, took it away, and i have to say, my kids, my family were really excited _ say, my kids, my family were really excited about maybe what we were listening _ excited about maybe what we were listening to, and then it went away and it's— listening to, and then it went away and it's been deleted since, but the way i _ and it's been deleted since, but the way i was _ and it's been deleted since, but the way i was thinking about it as we can use — way i was thinking about it as we can use a — way i was thinking about it as we can use a lot more intelligence thinking — can use a lot more intelligence thinking here on this planet to commence on the one hand it was a bit of— commence on the one hand it was a bit of a _ commence on the one hand it was a bit of a hope — commence on the one hand it was a bit of a hope and a little bit of a roller _ bit of a hope and a little bit of a roller coaster as well. | bit of a hope and a little bit of a roller coaster as well.— roller coaster as well. i wonder what mulder and _ roller coaster as well. i wonder what mulder and scully - roller coaster as well. i wonder what mulder and scully would i roller coaster as well. i wonder - what mulder and scully would make of that. i mean, they would totally be across that. i saw this mean the other day online where it showed the planet mars and it said, look, can we spend less money putting a man on mars and more money planting trees? it's almost like that meme was created for this programme. he absolutely. we should all think i've met dana in the martian, the movie, where he is desperately trying to create some life on a different planet. we have got a lot of it here that we can just improve. he planet. we have got a lot of it here that we can just improve.— that we can 'ust improve. he was t in: to that we can just improve. he was trying to plant — that we can just improve. he was trying to plant that... _ that we can just improve. he was trying to plant that... he - that we can just improve. he was trying to plant that... he got - that we can just improve. he was| trying to plant that... he got very skinny in that movie, didn't he? he

did, skinny in that movie, didn't he? he: did, he did. skinny in that movie, didn't he? he did, he did. laughter _ did, he did. laughter absolutely. _ did, he did. laughter absolutely. i— did, he did. laughter absolutely. ithink- did, he did. laughter absolutely. ithink the| did, he did. laughter _ absolutely. i think the interesting thing about it, you know, the china story is that ultimately when they pulled the story, they did say that it could've been just a normal radio frequencies on earth, so it's not quite as sexy alien potential story as you are making out it could be. that's right. i think that trees nright— that's right. i think that trees might have gotten in the way, right? exactly. _ might have gotten in the way, right? exactly, those trees. this might have gotten in the way, right? exactly, those trees.— exactly, those trees. this is really a question — exactly, those trees. this is really a question of— exactly, those trees. this is really a question of what _ exactly, those trees. this is really a question of what is _ exactly, those trees. this is really a question of what is happening i exactly, those trees. this is really a question of what is happening in the world, — a question of what is happening in the world, right? and what are the places— the world, right? and what are the places that — the world, right? and what are the places that we are finding hope? i think— places that we are finding hope? i think that — places that we are finding hope? i think that is kind of an overall message. i'm always searching for help. _ message. i'm always searching for help, whether it's in trees or alien they for— help, whether it's in trees or alien they for new intelligent forces that can help _ they for new intelligent forces that can help with the challenges that can help — can help with the challenges that can help with the challenges that can help with the challenges that can help with the challenges... 30 can help with the challenges... sc what can help with the challenges... what you're can help with the challenges... ’ir what you're saying there can help with the challenges... sr what you're saying there is no hope on earth. that's a very negative way to end the programme, but i'm afraid we're out of time. thank you very

much, pauland we're out of time. thank you very much, paul and amanda, we're out of time. thank you very much, pauland amanda, it's we're out of time. thank you very much, paul and amanda, it's been a pleasure to have you both on the watching the context. goodbye for watching the context. goodbye for watching the context. goodbye for watching the context. goodbye from me. hello there. cooler and cloudier again today in the north and the west, with the best of the sunshine and the highest temperatures once more across england and wales. now, tomorrow, it's set to feel even warmer still. the heat will peak on friday — that's because our southerly wind is dragging this hot, humid airfrom the near continent, where there is currently a heatwave across much of western europe. so how high will the temperatures go on friday? well, we're looking at 33, maybe the odd spot at 3a celsius in london and east anglia. these are the seasonal averages — they are an awful lot lower, by around 10—12 celsius in some cases. we'll be back in that fresher air over the course of the weekend. why? well, because there's a cold front that will be sinking its way southwards tomorrow, introducing fresher conditions and thundery showers for many too. so some heavy, persistent outbreaks

of rain, also quite breezy for western scotland through the morning, but our weather front sinks southwards, the cold front. it is a weakening feature, so just outbreaks of light, patchy rain and drizzle for northern england through the afternoon. sunny spells behind — not a bad—looking day, but feeling fresher. towards the south, it's all about the heat, of course. 32—33 celsius. watch out for some rather misty coastlines towards southwest england and south wales, potentially. now, friday night into saturday, ahead of the weather front, then, it's still warm, it's muggy, it's uncomfortable for sleeping, but it should be mostly dry. further north, it's feeling fresher with some temperatures dropping back into single figures, potentially. now, on saturday, we've got our cool air towards the north meeting warm air moving in from the south, so some very unstable conditions, and there will be some heavy, thundery downpours developing. the exact location and timing of these showers still up for some debate, but this is a pretty good guess, really. from the wash, down through to south wales,

possibly hitting southwest england, as well. but i think we will hang on to the heat towards south—eastern areas of england, where we could still see 26—27 celsius in london, but always watch out for some isolated showers. dry for northern england and for scotland, northern ireland, and it will feel quite fresh — there will be some sunny spells. so, over the weekend, still plenty of uncertainty, but it will be turning coolerjust about everywhere, and do watch out for some thundery downpours, particularly for england and wales. now, the focus for those heavy, thundery showers moves a little further south on sunday, so probably towards the south coast again. london and the south—east seeing some showers. it will be quite windy, particularly through the channel — strong, gusty winds here. but for most of the country, it is looking dry. temperatures 17—18 celsius. perhaps 20 celsius in the best of the sunshine. now, on monday, those showers will clear the south coast. there is another system moving in from the northwest into scotland and northern ireland, so some showers here, and turning really rather cloudy. temperatures are now at the seasonal average, between around 17—21 celsius.

what's happening for the rest of the week? well, we've got a more mobile situation, with an area of low pressure off to the north of us, and that is going to produce this north—westerly wind. it will feel rather breezy at times as we head through the course of next week, and it could turn quite wet as well, so some more unsettled weather heading our way. of course, as is always the case with a north—westerly, it's always drier the further south and east you go. so, in summary, then, next week is certainly looking cooler, temperatures returning to the seasonal averages. it's going to be breezy and it will be quite unsettled — rain at times.

tonight at ten... interest rates go up to their highest level for 13 years to try to control rising inflation. the bank of england raises rates to 1.25% — it's the fifth successive increase since december. it's the latest attempt to tackle the impact of rising energy bills and other prices, as inflation is now heading for ii% later this year. and given the continued rise in the cost of living, some experts say interest rates should have gone even higher. also tonight... as the conflict in ukraine claims more lives, russia tells the bbc that there's no war going on and that britain is behaving unwisely. translation: both boris johnson and liz truss say openly _ that we should defeat russia, we should force russia to its knees.

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