hello, i'm christian fraser. you're watching the context on bbc news. the united nations says russian strike on a shopping complex in central ukraine was a deplorable attack on civilians. the ukrainian president says 1000 people were inside the building when it was hit. at least 10 people confirmed dead. scores of people injured. the ukrainians say it demonstrates again, why ther�*re so desperately in need of the west's anti aircraft defences. the world leaders meeting at the g7 summit say they will hold russia accountable for its actions — once again reaffirming their commitment to ukraine's sovereignty. once again reaffirming their nato leaders will agree a new strategic direction in madrid this week, that will commit over 300,000 troops to the defence of eastern europe, returning the alliance to its cold war positioning.

tonight with the context, from brussels former eu foreign policy advisor nathalie tocci and from new york, anthony scaramucci, entrepeneur and former communications director for donald trump. hello, welcome to the programme. there is nowhere that is safe in ukraine, no corner of the country beyond the reach of the russian missiles. and seemingly no target the kremlin would consider off limits today in kremenchuk, central ukraine, they attacked a shopping centre full of people. president zelensky said there were around 1,000 people inside at the time. the missiles were reportedly fired from long—range bombers that took off from a russian airbase north of ukraine. so far the authorities have recovered at least 10 bodies, there are dozens being treated for injuries. who knows how many remain inside.

i was not far away from the place won't happen. some 500 away. people were running around and after about 30 minutes, i decided to go and check out the place. the the centre was just destroyed and i was out of words. i did not expect that something like this could happen in my town. joining us tonight andriy zahorodnyuk, the former ukrainian defence minister. welcome to the programme. the un said a few hours ago that this was a deplorable attack on ukraine and any kind of civilian infrastructure should never be targeted. the reality is it has been a target throughout this war and it seems to have gotten worse in recent days. why do you think that is? versions

runnina why do you think that is? versions running out _ why do you think that is? versions running out of _ why do you think that is? versions running out of options _ why do you think that is? versions running out of options on - why do you think that is? versions running out of options on the - running out of options on the battlefield. the kind of slowly progressing, very slowly, there is a substantial increase of these, particularly from the united states in the uk. there is a road passed to the eu. there is a serious meeting of nato and the g7 which clearly is about, like, supporting ukraine and so on so apparently theyjust decided that it is time to show that they still can, if they want, bring instability to any place of ukraine but, to be honest with you, it seems now clearly like a terrorist attack

because they absolutely clearly targeted a very civilian building with lots of people inside. clearly with lots of people inside. clearly with political goals and they must have known very well what they were doing because this is absolutely not any military. doing because this is absolutely not any military-— any military. there is no military that the russians _ any military. there is no military that the russians would - any military. there is no military that the russians would have - that the russians would have targeted this particular city? it could be like anything. they have been targeting critical infrastructure. they have been targeting agricultural silos and some storages and so on but, no, there is no specific reason why they should have targeted lloyd's shopping malls with 1000 people inside. absolutely no nearby infrastructure, military or whatever that they could have targeted. so, i mean, nominally, that is terrorism, and i believe we should qualify it like that, these politically and so on. because that is what it is. it is a cruel irony that only this morning, president zelensky was on the skull virtually with g7 leaders pleading for these western

anti—aircraft defences. 0f pleading for these western anti—aircraft defences. of those defences, with those that made a difference in this particular case? in the murky, well, this in large cities, yeah, they would because in large cities we hear alarms a few times a day. i'm currently based in kyiv and we have these like a regular thing. you hear a siren i need to go somewhere, hide, etc. so that a sort everyday life here. and, yes. that would help, substantially help. we are just waiting. when you look at the pictures that we have just been looking out of this attack, this latest attack, you can well understand the frustration of the ukrainians at the delay they perceive in the supply of the weapons that would make a difference.— weapons that would make a difference. well, listen, the pentagon — difference. well, listen, the pentagon from _ difference. well, listen, the pentagon from 1994 - difference. well, listen, the pentagon from 1994 up - difference. well, listen, the| pentagon from 1994 up until difference. well, listen, the - pentagon from 1994 up until the trump administration had a porcupine strategy in place with ukraine and i think we all know what happened as

armaments and shipments though to ukraine are given opening or a potential opening and weakness for vladimir putin and it is almost impossible for them to catch up now so obviously they are frustrated. they mounted a great defence of their country but ultimately it is going to be up to the west to make a decision here. is this the focal point, fulcrum point for the next war and if it is, then they're going to flood the zone with nato forces and i predict that they will do that, of course, and will listen to this frustration now as the war grinds on. this frustration now as the war grinds on— this frustration now as the war arinds on. , _ ., _ this frustration now as the war arinds on. , , ., _ , grinds on. presidency nancy, in this meetin: grinds on. presidency nancy, in this meeting today. _ grinds on. presidency nancy, in this meeting today, said _ grinds on. presidency nancy, in this meeting today, said that _ grinds on. presidency nancy, in this meeting today, said that he - grinds on. presidency nancy, in this meeting today, said that he wants l meeting today, said that he wants the war in ukraine to be over by the winter. which took a lot of people, i think, is rather strange because thatis i think, is rather strange because that is not within his power. why does he think that the russians would have any appetite to end this war in the coming months? i would have any appetite to end this war in the coming months?- war in the coming months? i don't

think they d0- _ war in the coming months? i don't think they do. i _ war in the coming months? i don't think they do. i don't _ war in the coming months? i don't think they do. i don't think - war in the coming months? i don't think they do. i don't think you - think they do. i don't think you have any appetite. what he meant, most likely, is if we have enough weapons we can push them out and we can get them to either leave ukraine or at least most of it so the war would stop that phase where we are right now because you would see that it makes no sense and it produces no effect. by the end of the year the sanctions should already be making some effect in which case you would have no chance to escalate. that is what most likely he meant. infant have no chance to escalate. that is what most likely he meant. want to focus a little — what most likely he meant. want to focus a little bit _ what most likely he meant. want to focus a little bit because _ what most likely he meant. want to focus a little bit because of- what most likely he meant. want to focus a little bit because of the - focus a little bit because of the g7. in germany, the g—seven group of rich, industrialised nations reaffirmed their committment to supporting ukraine today, for as long as it takes. president zelensky took part in the discussions, remotely. and there were re—assurances from western leaders that they would not negotiate with russia over ukrainian heads or on the issue

of ukrainian sovereignty. retired lieutenant general ben hodges, former commander general of the us army in europejoins us from frankfurt. just commit that point we were discussing and weapons. from your standpoint you believe the weapons that could make a difference are starting to reach those parts of ukraine where they're needed? this is exactly what is finally happening. when you add together the american. _ happening. when you add together the american, german, polish, french, british— american, german, polish, french, british systems and others that have been delivered i think the full weight— been delivered i think the full weight of the systems is gone to finally— weight of the systems is gone to finally start being felt by russian forces _ finally start being felt by russian forces here over the next three or four weeks— forces here over the next three or four weeks and july is going to be an extremely hard month for the russian — an extremely hard month for the russian federation forces. that, they should have happened three months _ they should have happened three months ago but at least it is happening now. and i do believe, you

know, _ happening now. and i do believe, you know. i_ happening now. and i do believe, you know, i agree with andre, he was exceptionally talented defence minister for exceptionally talented defence ministerfor ukraine, by exceptionally talented defence minister for ukraine, by the way, what _ minister for ukraine, by the way, what president zelensky is talking about— what president zelensky is talking about is— what president zelensky is talking about is if— what president zelensky is talking about is if we get what you promised us, the _ about is if we get what you promised us, the west, all we need is those tools _ us, the west, all we need is those tools the — us, the west, all we need is those tools. the russians are on their last legs — tools. the russians are on their last legs. they are going to crack. they— last legs. they are going to crack. they have — last legs. they are going to crack. they have nothing else they can do other— they have nothing else they can do other than— they have nothing else they can do other than continue to shoot artillery— other than continue to shoot artillery or go to nuclear weapons which _ artillery or go to nuclear weapons which they're not going to do so there _ which they're not going to do so there is— which they're not going to do so there is no— which they're not going to do so there is no other way they can escalate _ there is no other way they can escalate. . , there is no other way they can escalate-— there is no other way they can escalate. ., , ., , , escalate. that is really interesting that ou escalate. that is really interesting that you say _ escalate. that is really interesting that you say they— escalate. that is really interesting that you say they are _ escalate. that is really interesting that you say they are on _ escalate. that is really interesting that you say they are on their- escalate. that is really interesting that you say they are on their last | that you say they are on their last legs but i look at the map this morning and they have taken several cities and overrun most parts of eastern part of the country now and now they are firing deeper into ukraine. what is it that gives you the impression that they are on their last legs? to the impression that they are on their last legs?— the impression that they are on their last legs? to be a little bit more specific — their last legs? to be a little bit more specific when _ their last legs? to be a little bit more specific when you - their last legs? to be a little bit more specific when you talk - their last legs? to be a little bit l more specific when you talk about the eastern part of the country. they— the eastern part of the country.

they have — the eastern part of the country. they have been at this for four months. — they have been at this for four months, with every single advantage. and most— months, with every single advantage. and most of— months, with every single advantage. and most of what we are providing is not even _ and most of what we are providing is not even getting to the fight yet and the — not even getting to the fight yet and the best they have been able to do with— and the best they have been able to do with 85% of the land forces committed in ukraine, is two inch by inch, _ committed in ukraine, is two inch by inch. they— committed in ukraine, is two inch by inch, they still haven't gotten all of the _ inch, they still haven't gotten all of the needs and the hands. the navy is not _ of the needs and the hands. the navy is not a _ of the needs and the hands. the navy is not a fight — of the needs and the hands. the navy is not a fight on their the operating by launching rockets from inside _ operating by launching rockets from inside russian airspace belarusian airspace _ inside russian airspace belarusian airspace so i'm not impressed with what _ airspace so i'm not impressed with what they're able to do. now, there is an— what they're able to do. now, there is an obvious — what they're able to do. now, there is an obvious flaw in my analysis. i don't _ is an obvious flaw in my analysis. i don't know— is an obvious flaw in my analysis. i don't know how much conventional artillery— don't know how much conventional artillery ammunition they have. clearly— artillery ammunition they have. clearly they have a lot on saturday that they _ clearly they have a lot on saturday that they are taking stuff in bunkers— that they are taking stuff in bunkers in belarus. this is why i think. _ bunkers in belarus. this is why i think. i— bunkers in belarus. this is why i think, i predict that the administration will change policy and we _ administration will change policy and we will go ahead with finally providing — and we will go ahead with finally providing a missile which is the long _ providing a missile which is the long range rocket that can be fired, that can _ long range rocket that can be fired, that can start reaching these airfields _ that can start reaching these airfields and the storage size from

which _ airfields and the storage size from which these things that are emerging ukrainian _ which these things that are emerging ukrainian civilians we can help ukraine get those.— ukrainian civilians we can help ukraine get those. from a political standpoint. _ ukraine get those. from a political standpoint, clearly _ ukraine get those. from a political standpoint, clearly present - ukraine get those. from a political standpoint, clearly present biden i standpoint, clearly present biden has invested an awful lot in this way but it is a delicate balancing act because there is the teak setting in, we see that in europe. maybe there is some fatigue in america as well, the cost of this war and the length that we are told it may last. does president biden needs to see the situation on the ground shift in order to maintain support? i ground shift in order to maintain su ort? ., �* ~' ground shift in order to maintain su--ort? ., �* ~' ground shift in order to maintain su ort? ., �* ~' ,., ., ground shift in order to maintain su ort? ., �* ~' ., 4' ., support? i don't think so. you know, president biden, _ support? i don't think so. you know, president biden, despite _ support? i don't think so. you know, president biden, despite the - support? i don't think so. you know, president biden, despite the low- support? i don't think so. you know, president biden, despite the low at i president biden, despite the low at the new improver ratings in inflation in the economy, he has made the right leadership decision here he is standing with the ukrainian government and the ukrainian government and the ukrainian people because he realises this is a stand for freedom. he ukrainian people because he realises this is a stand forfreedom. he is also well aware of the agreements we put in place back in 1994 when the

ukrainians gave up their nuclear weapons and so, to me, i think he's got his chips on the table and i think he has been unwavering and frankly, this has been one of the bright spots of the biden administration.— bright spots of the biden administration. , ., ., ., ,, administration. yes. i want to talk, if i could, about _ administration. yes. i want to talk, ifi could, about august. _ administration. yes. i want to talk, if i could, about august. because l if i could, about august. because i've heard a number of ukrainians in the last few days talking about the battle shifting decidedly in august. why are you pinning your hopes and what happens in a number of weeks i do think there will be such material shift on the ground around places like the hanscom and the east? because we expect most of the international— because we expect most of the international assistance - because we expect most of the international assistance arrived because we expect most of the i international assistance arrived by that time — international assistance arrived by that time which _ international assistance arrived by that time which has _ international assistance arrived by that time which has been- international assistance arrived by . that time which has been committed at the _ that time which has been committed at the so _ that time which has been committed at the so far~ — that time which has been committed at the so far. most _ that time which has been committed at the so far. most of— that time which has been committed at the so far. most of it, _ that time which has been committed at the so far. most of it, i— that time which has been committed at the so far. most of it, i would - at the so far. most of it, i would say, _ at the so far. most of it, i would say, my— at the so far. most of it, i would say, my calculations _ at the so far. most of it, i would say, my calculations about - at the so far. most of it, i would say, my calculations about two i say, my calculations about two thirds — say, my calculations about two thirds to— say, my calculations about two thirds to have _ say, my calculations about two thirds to have not _ say, my calculations about two thirds to have not arrived, - say, my calculations about two thirds to have not arrived, so i say, my calculations about two i thirds to have not arrived, so still either— thirds to have not arrived, so still either in — thirds to have not arrived, so still either in transit _ thirds to have not arrived, so still either in transit or— thirds to have not arrived, so still either in transit orjust _ thirds to have not arrived, so still| either in transit orjust committed and going — either in transit orjust committed and going to — either in transit orjust committed and going to he _ either in transit orjust committed and going to be in _ either in transit orjust committed and going to be in transit. - either in transit orjust committed and going to be in transit. so - either in transit orjust committed and going to be in transit. so thatj and going to be in transit. so that would _ and going to be in transit. so that would substantially—

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because there's been a massive political decision to finish this . because there's been a massivel political decision to finish this as soon _ political decision to finish this as soon as— political decision to finish this as soon as possible _ political decision to finish this as soon as possible and _ political decision to finish this as soon as possible and it has- political decision to finish this as soon as possible and it has beenj soon as possible and it has been made _ soon as possible and it has been made two — soon as possible and it has been made two months _ soon as possible and it has been made two months ago _ soon as possible and it has been made two months ago and - soon as possible and it has been made two months ago and theyl soon as possible and it has been. made two months ago and they still cannot— made two months ago and they still cannot do— made two months ago and they still cannot do that — made two months ago and they still cannot do that so _ made two months ago and they still cannot do that so they— made two months ago and they still cannot do that so they want - 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day and that was the target. obviously. _ day and that was the target. obviously, we _ day and that was the target. obviously, we are _ day and that was the target. obviously, we are almost. day and that was the target. obviously, we are almost in| day and that was the target. - obviously, we are almost injuly and they still— obviously, we are almost injuly and they still are — obviously, we are almost injuly and they still are not _ obviously, we are almost injuly and they still are not even _ obviously, we are almost injuly and they still are not even close - obviously, we are almost injuly and they still are not even close to - they still are not even close to completing _ they still are not even close to completing it~ _ they still are not even close to completing it. so _ they still are not even close to completing it. so we - they still are not even close to completing it. so we do - they still are not even close to - completing it. so we do understand that they— completing it. so we do understand that they are — completing it. so we do understand that they are at _ completing it. so we do understand that they are at maximum - completing it. so we do understand that they are at maximum and - completing it. so we do understand that they are at maximum and we l completing it. so we do understand . that they are at maximum and we are not. that they are at maximum and we are not we _ that they are at maximum and we are not we are _ that they are at maximum and we are not. we are expecting _ that they are at maximum and we are not. we are expecting more - that they are at maximum and we are not. we are expecting more stuff- that they are at maximum and we are not. we are expecting more stuff to. not. we are expecting more stuff to come _ not. we are expecting more stuff to come more — not. we are expecting more stuff to come. more improvement- not. we are expecting more stuff to come. more improvement to - not. we are expecting more stuff to come. more improvement to come. j not. we are expecting more stuff to- come. more improvement to come. you will see come. more improvement to come. will see natalie hasjustjoined us and i know he had been on nato meetings and have been very busy and i want to talk about nato very shortly but that may play were boris johnson said today because clearly when we talked about that we were talking about that with anthony,

there has been concern that maybe there has been concern that maybe the italians and the french were wavering when it came to how long this will be less. the service were borisjohnson said today. just this will be less. the service were boris johnson said today.- boris johnson said today. just in terms of staying the course, - boris johnson said today. just in | terms of staying the course, you know, imagine if we didn't. imagine if we allowed putin to get away with the violent acquisition of huge chunks of another country, sovereign and independent territory. the lessons for that would be absolutely chilling. lessons for that would be absolutely chillinu. ,., ,, �* , lessons for that would be absolutely chillinu. ,, �*, , chilling. downing street's briefing this morning _ chilling. downing street's briefing this morning that _ chilling. downing street's briefing this morning that france - chilling. downing street's briefing this morning that france and - chilling. downing street's briefing this morning that france and the| chilling. downing street's briefing i this morning that france and the uk are aligned in russia. i do think the europeans are on this now? i think they're on the same page. i think— think they're on the same page. i think that. — think they're on the same page. i think that, in a sense, right the sale _ think that, in a sense, right the sale the — think that, in a sense, right the sale. the risk of fatigue and divisions— sale. the risk of fatigue and divisions has been raised and i think— divisions has been raised and i think that _ divisions has been raised and i think that it is good it has been raised — think that it is good it has been raised publicly, precisely in order to push— raised publicly, precisely in order to push back against it. i think that— to push back against it. i think

that over— to push back against it. i think that over the last few days, in fact. — that over the last few days, in fact. over— that over the last few days, in fact, overthe that over the last few days, in fact, over the last few weeks there has been _ fact, over the last few weeks there has been a — fact, over the last few weeks there has been a growing understanding amongst _ has been a growing understanding amongst european countries including my own. _ amongst european countries including my own, italy, but also germany, france. _ my own, italy, but also germany, france. that— my own, italy, but also germany, france, that this indeed is a war that cannot _ france, that this indeed is a war that cannot be lost. this is a fact that cannot be lost. this is a fact that ukraine must win because what is at stake _ that ukraine must win because what is at stake is notjust quote on guote — is at stake is notjust quote on quote ukraine but something much more _ quote ukraine but something much more than — quote ukraine but something much more than this. we have seen this shift _ more than this. we have seen this shift in _ more than this. we have seen this shift in france with macron coming out having — shift in france with macron coming out having spoken in the past about russia _ out having spoken in the past about russia not— out having spoken in the past about russia not having to be humiliated in the _ russia not having to be humiliated in the speaking clearly about the fact that — in the speaking clearly about the fact that ukraine must win this war. my own— fact that ukraine must win this war. my own country, italy has a government that has been unwavering in its support for ukraine. now it is clear. — in its support for ukraine. now it is clear. as — in its support for ukraine. now it is clear. as i _ in its support for ukraine. now it is clear, as i said, the risk of fatigue — is clear, as i said, the risk of fatigue is— is clear, as i said, the risk of fatigue is there. inflation is there. _ fatigue is there. inflation is there, the economic crisis is there

but the _ there, the economic crisis is there but the fact— there, the economic crisis is there but the fact that we talk about ten rays. _ but the fact that we talk about ten rays. and — but the fact that we talk about ten rays. and a — but the fact that we talk about ten rays, and a sense, the stakes, by talking _ rays, and a sense, the stakes, by talking about it, is precisely what we should — talking about it, is precisely what we should be doing in order to avoid that fatigue from kicking in. teen think events _ that fatigue from kicking in. teen think events like _ that fatigue from kicking in. teen think events like today _ that fatigue from kicking in. t". think events like today sort of harden the resolve that when you see events where1000 people are in a shopping centre and their hit with russian missiles, does that does that travel to the broader public in the united states? i that travel to the broader public in the united states?— the united states? i think it does but arain, the united states? i think it does but again. it _ the united states? i think it does but again. it is — the united states? i think it does but again, it is not _ the united states? i think it does but again, it is not the _ the united states? i think it does but again, it is not the republic i but again, it is not the republic here. this isjoe biden and a few people around him that are making the strategic decision and are conjoined by our european allies and i think these guys in four months, frankly, have shown that resolving so i don't expect the president due to political friends so i don't expect the president due to politicalfriends are so i don't expect the president due to political friends are quote and quote, to drop that result. i think he understands what is at stake here and he also understands and i had asked my podcast, the former secretary of defence this week the russian army has been devastated. and i think we know that and i think we want to keep the pedal to the

medal here for as long as possible. i was just the reading that ukraine has requested a un security council meeting on tuesday of the latest version strikes. the other big summit taking place is that nato summit taking place is that nato summit in madrid and it was not so long ago president obama was prescribing a strategic shift towards the asia pacific than we had donald trump who plans to halve the number of trips and us bases in germany. no president biden is about to go full circle, committing his country to military posture that looks and feels every bit like it did in the cold war. the document was signed in madrid this week is known as nato's strategic concept. it has not changed in 12 years but this week the alliance will rewrite it once again, prescribing russia as the world's biggest threat and in response, they will position along

the eastern flank standing force, three times the size of the russian force that invaded ukraine. brute three times the size of the russian force that invaded ukraine. we will transform the _ force that invaded ukraine. we will transform the nato _ force that invaded ukraine. we will transform the nato response - force that invaded ukraine. we will transform the nato response forcej transform the nato response force and increase the number of forces to well over 300,000. and increase the number of forces to well over300,000. our and increase the number of forces to well over 300,000. our new concept will guide us in an era of strategic competition. i expect it will make clear that allies consider russia as the most significant and direct threat to our security. it is the most significant and direct threat to our security.- threat to our security. it is a seismic shift _ threat to our security. it is a seismic shift is _ threat to our security. it is a seismic shift is take - threat to our security. it is a seismic shift is take a - threat to our security. it is a seismic shift is take a closer threat to our security. it is a - seismic shift is take a closer look at that increasing numbers and what putin will now see when he was to his west. before 2014 there were no forward stations, nato forces in eastern part of the alliance but then came russia's annexation of crimea and in response nato said

battle group to estonia, latvia, lithuania and poland in sense than those forward higher that forces have gradually increased. currently, they sit at 40,000 but in line with what was said today, that number will now increase sevenfold to 300,000. maritime and special operations forces already to respond to an attack within hours. the supreme allied commander in europe, what would he want to know from the summit in madrid this week about the readiness of his force and what kind of capability they will have? welcome of course, it is worth pointing out that president putin, who many viewed as a genius, has brought this all about as well as the impending joining of nato by sweden and finland because of what he has done. general walters who, by the way, next week will hand over command to another general, would expect and would welcome the very strong statement from 30 nations of the alliance, commitment to readiness. this is hard because it is very expensive and so the nations

are making a commitment. this is about much more than 2%. this is about much more than 2%. this is about providing actual capability. it is about providing a mixture that trips, shifts, and ready to actually do theirjob. it is also worth remembering during the cold war when we had more than 300,000 troops in mostly western germany, thousands of nuclear weapons on both sides, we maintained stable peace for over four decades so i think right now the alliance is actually in the most strategically favourable position we have had in probably 60 or 70 years. 85% of russian land forces are committed in ukraine and have not accomplish their mission in the alliance is doing exactly what you just described and we're going to grow by adding sweden and finland so we need to accelerate the problem is that russia has to make sure that they cannot continue to threaten

their neighbours. i tn;r they cannot continue to threaten their neighbours.— they cannot continue to threaten their neighbours. i try to underline their neighbours. i try to underline the introduction _ their neighbours. i try to underline the introduction what _ their neighbours. i try to underline the introduction what a _ their neighbours. i try to underline the introduction what a historic- the introduction what a historic moment this is because there was a sort of pivotal shift towards the asia specific region over the last ten or 15 years. are you saying, then, that american troops are going to be stationed in europe for decades to come? to combat this threat as they perceive it? festival, of course, the nato strategic concept, that is going to be agreed in madrid, is also going to china as a long—term rival. so, interestingly, the alliance which is the north atlantic treaty organisation also recognises the need to be prepared and to look at china as a long—term rival so it is not either or. secondly, the number of american soldiers, trips, actually in europe right now that are permanently stationed, is only about 60,000 so that will not fill up about 60,000 so that will not fill up any major football stadium in america or in the uk. so 300,000, this is committed from all the

members of the alliance so just keeping things in perspective, yes, of course, there will be american troops in europe for as long as our allies, including the uk, welcome as they are. we are not there to guard to germany or to guard the uk, this an important part of our contribution to nato and it is also the place from which we protect our strategic interest in africa and the middle east as well.— strategic interest in africa and the middle east as well. general hodges is riaht middle east as well. general hodges is ri . ht that middle east as well. general hodges is right that it _ middle east as well. general hodges is right that it is _ middle east as well. general hodges is right that it is cemented _ middle east as well. general hodges is right that it is cemented the - is right that it is cemented the alliance, this invasion of ukraine, ironically, it has brought the nato countries closer together but what it has also done is made europe all the more reliant on the united states and in recent years, particularly during the trump years they were trying to go the other way. i they were trying to go the other wa . . , ~' way. i mean, chris, ithink, indeed, this is a rule — way. i mean, chris, ithink, indeed, this is a rule that _ way. i mean, chris, ithink, indeed, this is a rule that has _ way. i mean, chris, ithink, indeed, this is a rule that has made - way. i mean, chris, ithink, indeed, this is a rule that has made nato, i this is a rule that has made nato, you know. — this is a rule that has made nato, you know. a — this is a rule that has made nato, you know, a couple of years ago, there _ you know, a couple of years ago, there was— you know, a couple of years ago, there was a — you know, a couple of years ago, there was a european leader who

defined _ there was a european leader who defined nato as being dead, and nato is anything _ defined nato as being dead, and nato is anything but brain—dead at the moment — is anything but brain—dead at the moment. now, this is a time in which the madrid _ moment. now, this is a time in which the madrid summit is a transformational summit because i think it _ transformational summit because i think it is _ transformational summit because i think it is a — transformational summit because i think it is a summit that really signals— think it is a summit that really signals the shift from nato that it is in the — signals the shift from nato that it is in the business of the defence of europe _ is in the business of the defence of europe but— is in the business of the defence of europe but not quote on quote just in terms _ europe but not quote on quote just in terms of— europe but not quote on quote just in terms of deterrence but actually in terms of deterrence but actually in terms _ in terms of deterrence but actually in terms of— in terms of deterrence but actually in terms of defence. we are in a different— in terms of defence. we are in a different era now. we are in an age of war— different era now. we are in an age of warand— different era now. we are in an age of warand in— different era now. we are in an age of warand in an different era now. we are in an age of war and in an age of where we are notjust_ of war and in an age of where we are notjust having to prepare ourselves for a potential conflict, we are having — for a potential conflict, we are having to _ for a potential conflict, we are having to prepare ourselves... a lot ofthe having to prepare ourselves... a lot of the to be — having to prepare ourselves... a lot of the to be rashes _ having to prepare ourselves... a lot of the to be rashes that _ having to prepare ourselves... int of the to be rashes that were there

during the trump years, nato spending on offensive weapons, that are shifted. the emphasis has shifted? ., ., , , , , shifted? totally shifted. this is action time- — shifted? totally shifted. this is action time. it _ shifted? totally shifted. this is action time. it is _ shifted? totally shifted. this is action time. it is about - shifted? totally shifted. this is action time. it is about now, i shifted? totally shifted. this is action time. it is about now, it| shifted? totally shifted. this is i action time. it is about now, it is not about— action time. it is about now, it is not about the preparation something that may— not about the preparation something that may or may not happen in future — that may or may not happen in future so— that may or may not happen in future. so nato is in the business of the _ future. so nato is in the business of the defence of europe. it does raise _ of the defence of europe. it does raise the — of the defence of europe. it does raise the question implied by your question— raise the question implied by your question about where leave european defence _ question about where leave european defence and there are things that europeans can be doing in terms of funding. _ europeans can be doing in terms of funding. in— europeans can be doing in terms of funding, in terms of industry and in terms— funding, in terms of industry and in terms of— funding, in terms of industry and in terms of operations in areas like the southborough nato is unlikely to be heavily— the southborough nato is unlikely to be heavily involved, where there should _ be heavily involved, where there should be — be heavily involved, where there should be an important european contribution sol should be an important european contribution so i think that this is a transformational summit for nato, it is transformational, as i said, because — it is transformational, as i said, because it — it is transformational, as i said, because it makes the shift from deterrence to defence. it is a transformational summit because i think it _ transformational summit because i think it will be clear, the nato strategic— think it will be clear, the nato strategic concept, it sort of embeds this war— strategic concept, it sort of embeds this war in _ strategic concept, it sort of embeds this war in europe is a subset and the broader— this war in europe is a subset and the broader confirmation of a china is involved — the broader confirmation of a china is involved and this is obviously the big — is involved and this is obviously the big question if indeed it does seal the energy into it. that transformation, _ seal the energy into it. that transformation, that - seal the energy into it. that

transformation, that does l seal the energy into it. trust transformation, that does help ukraine in one respect, the europeans much more willing these days to supply weapons but standing force of 300,000 in eastern europe does not help you much. it force of 300,000 in eastern europe does not help you much.— does not help you much. it does in terms of, does not help you much. it does in terms of. like _ does not help you much. it does in terms of, like my _ does not help you much. it does in terms of, like my attention - does not help you much. it does in terms of, like my attention to - terms of, like my attention to the region. because for some time, we had that for eight years and for many countries we have been trying to draw attention to it and show the breaches of international law by previous years the many countries simply ignore it. they tried to continue dealing with russia, business as usual, etc. right now, obviously there are shocked and they're all looking at that but sometimes these events, are consequences of much smaller events which have been ignored for years. we are happy that they look finally at this region and we would obviously like to see something specific that we can finish this because far as it is a tragedy on an everyday basis. one minute left before we go to the break but the elephant in the room as donald

trump. two years away, we might be in a very different situation. it would be very painful to imagine him returning _ would be very painful to imagine him returning to — would be very painful to imagine him returning to the presidency— would be very painful to imagine him returning to the presidency but - would be very painful to imagine him returning to the presidency but one i returning to the presidency but one thing _ returning to the presidency but one thing i_ returning to the presidency but one thing i want — returning to the presidency but one thing i want to— returning to the presidency but one thing i want to add _ returning to the presidency but one thing i want to add before - returning to the presidency but one thing i want to add before the - thing i want to add before the commercial— thing i want to add before the commercial break, _ thing i want to add before the commercial break, we - thing i want to add before the commercial break, we have . thing i want to add before the | commercial break, we have to thing i want to add before the - commercial break, we have to solve the economic— commercial break, we have to solve the economic data _ commercial break, we have to solve the economic data russia _ commercial break, we have to solve the economic data russia because l the economic data russia because they're _ the economic data russia because they're making _ the economic data russia because they're making it— the economic data russia because they're making it on— the economic data russia because they're making it on a _ the economic data russia because they're making it on a profit- the economic data russia because they're making it on a profit of- the economic data russia becausej they're making it on a profit of the oil and _ they're making it on a profit of the oil and gas — they're making it on a profit of the oil and gas industry— they're making it on a profit of the oil and gas industry which - they're making it on a profit of the oil and gas industry which is - oil and gas industry which is forming _ oil and gas industry which is forming the _ oil and gas industry which is forming the war— oil and gas industry which is forming the war and - oil and gas industry which is forming the war and so - oil and gas industry which is forming the war and so we i oil and gas industry which is i forming the war and so we also oil and gas industry which is - forming the war and so we also have to come _ forming the war and so we also have to come up— forming the war and so we also have to come up with _ forming the war and so we also have to come up with more _ forming the war and so we also have to come up with more crippling - to come up with more crippling economic— to come up with more crippling economic sanctions. _ to come up with more crippling economic sanctions. 0k, - to come up with more crippling economic sanctions.— to come up with more crippling economic sanctions. 0k, we'll have to head to — economic sanctions. 0k, we'll have to head to the _ economic sanctions. 0k, we'll have to head to the break. _ economic sanctions. 0k, we'll have to head to the break. always - economic sanctions. 0k, we'll have to head to the break. always good | economic sanctions. 0k, we'll have i to head to the break. always good to have your thoughts. thank you very much indeed. thank you all for joining us on the latest development in ukraine forto joining us on the latest development in ukraine for to stay with us. are going to talk about abortion and the american constitution we are going to talk about one of the biggest sporting i have seen my lifetime. that is coming up the next half hour.

hello. we have a week of sunshine and showers to come across the uk. low pressure very much driving our story for the week ahead. the lows coming in from the atlantic will always tend to bring the showers in more frequently to the north and west of the uk, but we can't exclude seeing them elsewhere. we've seen some heavy ones crossing eastern england just this afternoon, petering out into the evening. now we look to the west, though, for this area of low pressure to bring in a more organised band of rain overnight to western scotland, particularly to northern ireland, and some drizzly rain into northern england by the end of the night. getting increasingly windy towards the west, but it will be mild here — lows of 12 or 13 degrees. clearer skies, a drier night, just 6 or 7, possibly, rural lows across central

and eastern england. the low continues to swirl away to the west of the uk on into tuesday. this weather front slowly makes its way eastwards. northern ireland should brighten for the afternoon, but there could be some thundershowers here. some isolated showers drifting their way across the midlands, towards eastern england, but the main band of rain sits here towards the west. a gusty afternoon, particularly adjacent to the irish sea, winds touching up to 40 mph. it's warmest where it's driest and sunniest — no great surprises there. 22 in norwich, up to 23 in hull. we'll see the weather front continuing its journey eastwards overnight tuesday into wednesday, but i think it's on a hiding to nothing, really. a band of showers following in behind it potentially will start to produce the heavier rain for wednesday daytime. first thing wednesday, though, some cloud to the east of the uk and some showery outbreaks of rain, but i think these showers towards the west really pepping up later in the day and surging their way northwards

on into the afternoon and early evening. a little warmer still in the east — 24 for norwich. temperatures still slightly below average further west. we'd typically be expecting to hit around the 20—degree mark at this time of year. despite the cool feel, though, and some showers, we're still going to see high levels of uv across parts of the uk. that'sjust something to bear in mind. if you are spending much time outside, even if there are showers where you are, there is still a possibility that you could get burnt. and that is really where our story is going to play out through this week and, at the moment, it looks like at least into the early part of the weekend. some signs of it getting quieterfrom sunday.

hello, i'm christian fraser. you're watching the context on bbc news. leaders of the g7 have discussed further sanctions for russia, including a proposal to cap the price of russian oil on world markets. but is it feasible, without the buy in of china and india, and what happens if russia opts to cut off the gas in response? after the supreme court's ruling on abortion rights in the us — senior democrats are questioning the legitmacy of the court. it's the legitmacy of the court. not done! it's not done. the united states bitterly divided, the legitmacy of the court. but thankfully not as ready for war as the angels and the mariners were this weekend — a four—minute sporting brawl which led to eight players being ejected. tonight with the context, from brussels former eu foreign policy advisor nathalie tocci

and anthony scaramucci — former communications director for donald trump is in new york. welcome back. at the start of the war, europe was paying russia around $450 million a day for its oil. and maybe those profits have grown, as the benchmark price for crude has risen. today the g7 leaders were discussing whether they could impose a global price cap on russian oil. the basic idea is to tie that price cap to the services that make trading in oil possible. so the insurers for instance would be barred from dealing with oil shipments that are being traded above the price cap, wherever that is set. and because many of the service providers are based in europe and in the uk, the theory is it would be difficult for russia to find a workaround. so is it feasible.

let's bring in our panel. i think it's always been the issue that... we haven't succeeded, but we need a long—term plan and i think ultimately, we had a short plan relating to the ukrainian war effort, but we need a five year plan to reduce european dependency on energy to cripple that regime and i think we are learning from the western leadership that they've had enough of vladimir putin and they understand his true intentions and likely will not stop in ukraine. i hope they start to announce something like that quickly. thea;r something like that quickly. they are sa in: something like that quickly. they are saying today _ something like that quickly. they are saying today that _ something like that quickly. they are saying today that in - something like that quickly. they are saying today that in principle they are agreeing on it, but obviously needs to be thought unpacked out by the g7 finance ministers. natalie, they said today, the eu countries need to step up

their contingencies. that's just me that they do go down the road, they may be repercussions from russia such as cutting off the gas. i would se arate such as cutting off the gas. i would separate the _ such as cutting off the gas. i would separate the discussion _ such as cutting off the gas. i would separate the discussion from - such as cutting off the gas. i would separate the discussion from the l separate the discussion from the oil in gas _ separate the discussion from the oil in gas they— separate the discussion from the oil in gas. they are you'll come at the eu has— in gas. they are you'll come at the eu has already agreed on a package of sanctions. this will gradually kick in— of sanctions. this will gradually kick in through to next february. the question as far as the oil price is concerned, it is not really about reducing _ is concerned, it is not really about reducing or— is concerned, it is not really about reducing or a _ is concerned, it is not really about reducing or a measure aimed at russian — reducing or a measure aimed at russian oil— reducing or a measure aimed at russian oil because the embargo has already— russian oil because the embargo has already been sent out, but rather an aim to _ already been sent out, but rather an aim to curb — already been sent out, but rather an aim to curb that effects of said embargo _ aim to curb that effects of said embargo. a more interesting discussion is what to do precisely about— discussion is what to do precisely about gas~ — discussion is what to do precisely about gas. as far as a gas price cap

is concerned. — about gas. as far as a gas price cap is concerned, the argument has been put against _ is concerned, the argument has been put against the price cap is that it distorts— put against the price cap is that it distorts the market and as he was suggesting, what would this do with russia _ suggesting, what would this do with russia cutting off the gas? as far as the _ russia cutting off the gas? as far as the market is concerned, it is already— as the market is concerned, it is already distorted. the gas prices we are seeing _ already distorted. the gas prices we are seeing are not market prices. this is— are seeing are not market prices. this is pure — are seeing are not market prices. this is pure speculation. and as far as russia _ this is pure speculation. and as far as russia cutting off gas, again, they— as russia cutting off gas, again, they have — as russia cutting off gas, again, they have already cut off the gas, ladies _ they have already cut off the gas, ladies and — they have already cut off the gas, ladies and gentlemen. it is already 50% downside don't buy the argument that the _ 50% downside don't buy the argument that the reason not to have a price cap is— that the reason not to have a price cap is because it would lead to russian — cap is because it would lead to russian retaliation because that has already— russian retaliation because that has already happened. yes. russian retaliation because that has already happened.— already happened. yes. anthony is karen michie. _ already happened. yes. anthony is karen michie, the _ already happened. yes. anthony is karen michie, the price _ already happened. yes. anthony is karen michie, the price cap - already happened. yes. anthony is karen michie, the price cap idea i karen michie, the price cap idea presumes that russia will continue to sell its oil. if it is not profitable to sell, it might cut off

quicker than the embargo had in mind. i quicker than the embargo had in mind. ., ., _ , mind. i hate to sound cynical, they will sell it to _ mind. i hate to sound cynical, they will sell it to europeans _ mind. i hate to sound cynical, they will sell it to europeans or - mind. i hate to sound cynical, they will sell it to europeans or legally i will sell it to europeans or legally or illegally to the chinese or indians. again, ithink or illegally to the chinese or indians. again, i think there is a broader issue here. we know the russian government because �*s intentions in europe. we know that diabolical intention is to recreate the soviet union and i applaud that nato leadership in acting quickly, but you have to get the economic ministers in concert with them immediately. if you want to force a regime change in pressure or turn into a friendlier country, even if that's possible, that is the only thing you can do on that nash game theory box is get both of those coordinated against the russian government. coordinated against the russian government-— coordinated against the russian rovernment. �* , , , ., government. let's bring in expert to hel us government. let's bring in expert to help us with — government. let's bring in expert to help us with this. _ let's speak to christof ruehl — former chief economist at bp — who's now at the center

on global energy policy at columbia university. do you think it is feasible? feasible, what, exactly? i wasjust feasible, what, exactly? iwasjust switched _ feasible, what, exactly? iwasjust switched into— feasible, what, exactly? iwasjust switched into the _ feasible, what, exactly? iwasjust switched into the conversation. - feasible, what, exactly? iwasjustl switched into the conversation. the - rice switched into the conversation. the rice ca- switched into the conversation. the price cap on — switched into the conversation. price cap on the oil. switched into the conversation. the price cap on the oil. in _ switched into the conversation. the price cap on the oil. in practice, - price cap on the oil. in practice, no. different _ price cap on the oil. in practice, no. different reasons, - price cap on the oil. in practice, no. different reasons, is- price cap on the oil. in practice, no. different reasons, is not. price cap on the oil. in practice, i no. different reasons, is not only a binary— no. different reasons, is not only a binary situation _ no. different reasons, is not only a binary situation russia _ no. different reasons, is not only a binary situation russia can - no. different reasons, is not only a binary situation russia can try- no. different reasons, is not only a binary situation russia can try to l binary situation russia can try to sell the — binary situation russia can try to sell the oil— binary situation russia can try to sell the oil and _ binary situation russia can try to sell the oil and other— binary situation russia can try to sell the oil and other countries. binary situation russia can try to . sell the oil and other countries can try to. _ sell the oil and other countries can try to. you — sell the oil and other countries can try to. you know. _ sell the oil and other countries can try to, you know, russia _ sell the oil and other countries can try to, you know, russia can - try to, you know, russia can gradually— try to, you know, russia can gradually increase _ try to, you know, russia can gradually increase the - try to, you know, russia can gradually increase the heat i try to, you know, russia can i gradually increase the heat and gradually — gradually increase the heat and gradually slow _ gradually increase the heat and gradually slow down _ gradually increase the heat and gradually slow down the - gradually increase the heat andl gradually slow down the exports gradually increase the heat and - gradually slow down the exports and that will _ gradually slow down the exports and that will gradually— gradually slow down the exports and that will gradually at _ gradually slow down the exports and that will gradually at prices - gradually slow down the exports and that will gradually at prices and - that will gradually at prices and there _ that will gradually at prices and there will— that will gradually at prices and there will be _ that will gradually at prices and there will be cracks _ that will gradually at prices and i there will be cracks emerging... even _ there will be cracks emerging... even if— there will be cracks emerging... even if there _ there will be cracks emerging... even if there was _ there will be cracks emerging... even if there was a _ there will be cracks emerging... even if there was a price - there will be cracks emerging... even if there was a price cap- even if there was a price cap introduced, they would slow down the price of oil to the point that the global oil would go up anyway? so it wouldn't actually limit the information on local markets? the best to assume _ information on local markets? the best to assume is a sanctioning countries — best to assume is a sanctioning countries have _ best to assume is a sanctioning countries have enough- best to assume is a sanctioning countries have enough of-

best to assume is a sanctioning . countries have enough of demand best to assume is a sanctioning - countries have enough of demand to make _ countries have enough of demand to make sense — countries have enough of demand to make sense if— countries have enough of demand to make sense. if it's— countries have enough of demand to make sense. if it'sjust _ countries have enough of demand to make sense. if it'sjust europe - countries have enough of demand to make sense. if it'sjust europe and l make sense. if it'sjust europe and the us. _ make sense. if it'sjust europe and the us. we — make sense. if it'sjust europe and the us. we will— make sense. if it'sjust europe and the us, we will see _ make sense. if it'sjust europe and the us, we will see what _ make sense. if it'sjust europe and the us, we will see what falls - make sense. if it'sjust europe and the us, we will see what falls into| the us, we will see what falls into a-e the us, we will see what falls into age nothing — the us, we will see what falls into age nothing much _ the us, we will see what falls into age nothing much will— the us, we will see what falls into age nothing much will change. - the us, we will see what falls into| age nothing much will change. but the us, we will see what falls into . age nothing much will change. but if it is indian— age nothing much will change. but if it is indian and _ age nothing much will change. but if it is indian and china _ age nothing much will change. but if it is indian and china as— age nothing much will change. but if it is indian and china as well, - age nothing much will change. but if it is indian and china as well, then . it is indian and china as well, then there _ it is indian and china as well, then there will— it is indian and china as well, then there will be — it is indian and china as well, then there will be a _ it is indian and china as well, then there will be a russian response. i there will be a russian response. the coalition— there will be a russian response. the coalition is— there will be a russian response. the coalition is coming _ there will be a russian response. the coalition is coming under- the coalition is coming under strain — the coalition is coming under strain. . ~ the coalition is coming under strain. , ~ ., , the coalition is coming under strain. , ~ , , strain. this week it was suggested that the main _ strain. this week it was suggested that the main way _ strain. this week it was suggested that the main way to _ strain. this week it was suggested that the main way to do _ strain. this week it was suggested that the main way to do this - strain. this week it was suggested that the main way to do this is - strain. this week it was suggested that the main way to do this is to i that the main way to do this is to form a bias opec to force opec producers to produce more oil. the give buyers more power?— producers to produce more oil. the give buyers more power? there is an idea of that- — give buyers more power? there is an idea of that. first _ give buyers more power? there is an idea of that. first you _ give buyers more power? there is an idea of that. first you have _ idea of that. first you have sanctions _ idea of that. first you have sanctions and _ idea of that. first you have sanctions and you - idea of that. first you have sanctions and you have - idea of that. first you havej sanctions and you have the importation. _ sanctions and you have the importation, which - sanctions and you have the importation, which is - sanctions and you have the importation, which is what| sanctions and you have the . importation, which is what the sanctions and you have the - importation, which is what the us and the _ importation, which is what the us and the g7 — importation, which is what the us and the g7 have _ importation, which is what the us and the g7 have prepared - importation, which is what the us and the g7 have prepared to- importation, which is what the us and the g7 have prepared to do. importation, which is what the us i and the g7 have prepared to do that, russian _ and the g7 have prepared to do that, russian oil— and the g7 have prepared to do that, russian oil gets _ and the g7 have prepared to do that, russian oil gets redirected _ and the g7 have prepared to do that, russian oil gets redirected into - russian oil gets redirected into asia _ russian oil gets redirected into asia all— russian oil gets redirected into asia all you _ russian oil gets redirected into asia. all you put _ russian oil gets redirected into asia. all you put a _ russian oil gets redirected into asia. all you put a price - russian oil gets redirected into| asia. all you put a price capping case. _ asia. all you put a price capping case. that— asia. all you put a price capping case, that would _ asia. all you put a price capping case, that would only _ asia. all you put a price capping case, that would only work - asia. all you put a price capping case, that would only work if. asia. all you put a price capping. case, that would only work if there is a sufficiently—

case, that would only work if there is a sufficiently large _ case, that would only work if there is a sufficiently large amount - case, that would only work if there is a sufficiently large amount of. is a sufficiently large amount of consuming _ is a sufficiently large amount of consuming countries— is a sufficiently large amount of i consuming countries participating. whether— consuming countries participating. whether that _ consuming countries participating. whether that would _ consuming countries participating. whether that would increase - consuming countries participating. whether that would increase from| consuming countries participating. . whether that would increase from the pacers _ whether that would increase from the pacers date _ whether that would increase from the pacers date my— whether that would increase from the pacers date my other _ whether that would increase from the pacers date my other places, - whether that would increase from the pacers date my other places, is - whether that would increase from the pacers date my other places, is the l pacers date my other places, is the primary— pacers date my other places, is the primary question _ pacers date my other places, is the primary question is _ pacers date my other places, is the primary question is how— pacers date my other places, is the primary question is how would - pacers date my other places, is the . primary question is how would russia react to _ primary question is how would russia react to that? — primary question is how would russia react to that? it— primary question is how would russia react to that? it is _ primary question is how would russia react to that? it is not _ primary question is how would russia react to that? it is not clear- primary question is how would russia react to that? it is not clear to - primary question is how would russia react to that? it is not clear to me . react to that? it is not clear to me why would — react to that? it is not clear to me why would they _ react to that? it is not clear to me why would they continue - react to that? it is not clear to me why would they continue to - react to that? it is not clear to me i why would they continue to produce the oil~ _ why would they continue to produce the oil~ it— why would they continue to produce the oil~ it is— why would they continue to produce the oil. it is not— why would they continue to produce the oil. it is not clear— why would they continue to produce the oil. it is not clear to— why would they continue to produce the oil. it is not clear to me - why would they continue to produce the oil. it is not clear to me why- the oil. it is not clear to me why india _ the oil. it is not clear to me why india or— the oil. it is not clear to me why india or china— the oil. it is not clear to me why india or china would _ the oil. it is not clear to me why india or china would participatel india or china would participate with this — india or china would participate with this and _ india or china would participate with this and with _ india or china would participate with this and with the - india or china would participate with this and with the political. with this and with the political conviction— with this and with the political conviction is— with this and with the political conviction is wrong _ with this and with the political conviction is wrong as - with this and with the political conviction is wrong as has - with this and with the political- conviction is wrong as has happened and there _ conviction is wrong as has happened and there ism — and there is... they've indicated for the time _ and there is... they've indicated for the time being that - and there is... they've indicated for the time being that cheap. and there is... they've indicated for the time being that cheap oilj for the time being that cheap oil without— for the time being that cheap oil without alliance _ for the time being that cheap oil without alliance is _ for the time being that cheap oil without alliance is their- for the time being that cheap oil. without alliance is their approach. thank— without alliance is their approach. thank you — without alliance is their approach. thank you very _ without alliance is their approach. thank you very much _ without alliance is their approach. thank you very much indeed. - thank you very much indeed. thank you for being with us. within hours of the supreme courts decision to overturn roe vs wade at least ten states had moved to implement laws that will ban abortions. another five say they will enact trigger laws in the coming weeks others will follow.

in total it's thought 26 republican states will outlaw or severely restrict abortion services. the decision has further divided america, the states in blue, are those states where abortion access is still guaranteed — and where state legislatures are moving to codify that in law. amid the protests which spread nationwide over the weekend — some democrats are beginning to question the legitmacy of the supreme court. we allow supreme court nominees to lie under oath and secure lifetime appointments to the highest court of the land and then issue, without basis, if you read the opinion, issue without basis rulings that deeply undermine the human and several rites of the majority of americans. we must see that through. there must be consequences. for such a deeply destabilising action and

hostile takeover of our democratic institutions. hostile takeover of our democratic institutions-— institutions. before we discuss this, let institutions. before we discuss this. let me — institutions. before we discuss this, let me remind _ institutions. before we discuss this, let me remind you. - so here is a reminder of what the justices, who voted to overturn roe, had told senators during their confirmation hearings. in 2006 — justice alito said roe was an important precedent a year later — brett kavanaugh — agreed that roe was an important precedent, reaffirmed many times over. their subsequent decision to overturn it, prompted this 50 years of precedent overturned. suddenly, now that the personnel has changed, the law changes, and that raises these questions of legitimacy. today the court issued another decision in line with its conservative majority.

six votes to three they held that a school football coach retained a constitutional right to lead prayers on the field after his team's game. the actions ofjoseph kennedy — a christian they said — were protected by his right to free speech and religious expression. in the space of a few weeks, they have overturned abortion, relaxed gun laws while congress was trying to tighten them, and they have sided with christian conservatives seeking to expand the role of prayer and religion in public schools. i should point out that a large part of america will applaud some or all of america will applaud some or all of those to decisions. let's bring in our north america correspondent anthony zurcher. we will come to the politics soon. so many questions left over. is it legal for a woman to travel from colorado to texas to get an abortion? is it legalfor someone to advise or pay for that trip? is it legal to send someone abortion pills? how will this get sorted

across america? it’s pills? how will this get sorted across america?— pills? how will this get sorted across america? �* , ., ., , across america? it's going to be the courts that get _ across america? it's going to be the courts that get in _ across america? it's going to be the courts that get in the _ across america? it's going to be the courts that get in the sort _ across america? it's going to be the courts that get in the sort a - across america? it's going to be the courts that get in the sort a lot - across america? it's going to be the courts that get in the sort a lot of. courts that get in the sort a lot of this out— courts that get in the sort a lot of this out because _ courts that get in the sort a lot of this out because they— courts that get in the sort a lot of this out because they do - courts that get in the sort a lot of this out because they do deal- courts that get in the sort a lot ofi this out because they do deal with issues _ this out because they do deal with issues of— this out because they do deal with issues of individual— this out because they do deal with issues of individual state - this out because they do deal with issues of individual state laws - this out because they do deal with issues of individual state laws and j issues of individual state laws and how they — issues of individual state laws and how they impact _ issues of individual state laws and how they impact interstate - issues of individual state laws and - how they impact interstate commerce. and you're _ how they impact interstate commerce. and you're going — how they impact interstate commerce. and you're going to _ how they impact interstate commerce. and you're going to see _ how they impact interstate commerce. and you're going to see states - how they impact interstate commerce. and you're going to see states like - and you're going to see states like california. — and you're going to see states like california, anybody _ and you're going to see states like california, anybody seen states - and you're going to see states like i california, anybody seen states like alec california _ california, anybody seen states like alec california and _ california, anybody seen states like alec california and oregon - california, anybody seen states like alec california and oregon passing i alec california and oregon passing laws that— alec california and oregon passing laws that pass _ alec california and oregon passing laws that pass through _ alec california and oregon passing laws that pass through their - alec california and oregon passing laws that pass through their state i laws that pass through their state having _ laws that pass through their state having the — laws that pass through their state having the right _ laws that pass through their state having the right to _ laws that pass through their state having the right to abortions - laws that pass through their state having the right to abortions to i having the right to abortions to keep— having the right to abortions to keep the — having the right to abortions to keep the medical— having the right to abortions to keep the medical records - having the right to abortions to keep the medical records of. having the right to abortions to i keep the medical records of those women _ keep the medical records of those women from being _ keep the medical records of those women from being accessed - keep the medical records of those women from being accessed by i keep the medical records of those . women from being accessed by those states— women from being accessed by those states they— women from being accessed by those states they come _ women from being accessed by those states they come from _ women from being accessed by those states they come from to _ women from being accessed by those states they come from to prevent - states they come from to prevent them _ states they come from to prevent them from — states they come from to prevent them from being _ states they come from to prevent them from being prosecuted. - states they come from to prevent . them from being prosecuted. there are others— them from being prosecuted. there are others that _ them from being prosecuted. there are others that want _ them from being prosecuted. there are others that want to _ them from being prosecuted. there are others that want to limit - them from being prosecuted. there| are others that want to limit women from leaving — are others that want to limit women from leaving the _ are others that want to limit women from leaving the state _ are others that want to limit women from leaving the state to _ are others that want to limit women from leaving the state to have - are others that want to limit women from leaving the state to have an i from leaving the state to have an abortion. — from leaving the state to have an abortion. stop— from leaving the state to have an abortion, stop women _ from leaving the state to have an abortion, stop women from - from leaving the state to have an . abortion, stop women from coming from leaving the state to have an - abortion, stop women from coming in to have _ abortion, stop women from coming in to have an— abortion, stop women from coming in to have an abortion, _ abortion, stop women from coming in to have an abortion, and _ abortion, stop women from coming in to have an abortion, and it— abortion, stop women from coming in to have an abortion, and it will- abortion, stop women from coming in to have an abortion, and it will be - to have an abortion, and it will be a model— to have an abortion, and it will be a model mass~ _ to have an abortion, and it will be a model mass. —— _ to have an abortion, and it will be a model mass. —— modelled- to have an abortion, and it will bei a model mass. —— modelled mass. to have an abortion, and it will be - 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has lawsuits fly. this _ of this will be sought in the courts has lawsuits fly. this will- of this will be sought in the courts has lawsuits fly. this will not - of this will be sought in the courts has lawsuits fly. this will not be . has lawsuits fly. this will not be the last — has lawsuits fly. this will not be the last word _ has lawsuits fly. this will not be the last word the _ has lawsuits fly. this will not be the last word the supreme - has lawsuits fly. this will not be| the last word the supreme court has lawsuits fly. this will not be - the last word the supreme court has. we will— the last word the supreme court has. we will see _ the last word the supreme court has. we will see how— the last word the supreme court has. we will see how the _ the last word the supreme court has. we will see how the untie _ the last word the supreme court has. we will see how the untie abortion i we will see how the untie abortion case goes — we will see how the untie abortion case noes. . we will see how the untie abortion case noes. , . ~ case goes. this may backfire. pollin: case goes. this may backfire. polling has — case goes. this may backfire. polling has suggested - case goes. this may backfire. polling has suggested that. case goes. this may backfire. polling has suggested that it | case goes. this may backfire. - polling has suggested that it does switch on party lines. it might activate the democrat base. 50% were more likely to vote of democratic. when only 20% of republicans said that. 78% said they would be more likely to vote. as pose the question here is that if you were running on a primary in 2024, as a republican, would you feel confident to run on a mill ground when it came to abortion given the likes that mike pence

wants to push for a nationwide ban? and you have to remember that in the public— and you have to remember that in the public as— and you have to remember that in the public as a _ and you have to remember that in the public as a whole, _ and you have to remember that in the public as a whole, their _ and you have to remember that in the public as a whole, their opinions - and you have to remember that in the public as a whole, their opinions of. public as a whole, their opinions of abortion— public as a whole, their opinions of abortion are — public as a whole, their opinions of abortion are very— public as a whole, their opinions of abortion are very different - public as a whole, their opinions of abortion are very different than - public as a whole, their opinions ofj abortion are very different than the republican — abortion are very different than the republican primary— abortion are very different than the republican primary electorate - republican primary electorate opinions _ republican primary electorate opinions on _ republican primary electorate opinions on abortion. - republican primary electorate opinions on abortion. if- republican primary electorate opinions on abortion. if you l republican primary electorate i opinions on abortion. if you look republican primary electorate - opinions on abortion. if you look at a place _ opinions on abortion. if you look at a place like — opinions on abortion. if you look at a place like ohio _ opinions on abortion. if you look at a place like ohio who— opinions on abortion. if you look at a place like ohio who decide - opinions on abortion. if you look at a place like ohio who decide on - opinions on abortion. if you look atl a place like ohio who decide on who becomes— a place like ohio who decide on who becomes presidential— a place like ohio who decide on who becomes presidential candidate, - becomes presidential candidate, someone — becomes presidential candidate, someone who— becomes presidential candidate, someone who is _ becomes presidential candidate, someone who is aspiring - becomes presidential candidate, someone who is aspiring for- becomes presidential candidate, j someone who is aspiring for that becomes presidential candidate, . someone who is aspiring for that in 2024. _ someone who is aspiring for that in 2024. they— someone who is aspiring for that in 2024. they need _ someone who is aspiring for that in 2024, they need to _ someone who is aspiring for that in 2024, they need to be _ someone who is aspiring for that in 2024, they need to be on - someone who is aspiring for that in 2024, they need to be on the - someone who is aspiring for that in 2024, they need to be on the right| 2024, they need to be on the right pane 2024, they need to be on the right page with — 2024, they need to be on the right page with the _ 2024, they need to be on the right page with the evangelicals - 2024, they need to be on the right page with the evangelicals in - 2024, they need to be on the right page with the evangelicals in iowa| page with the evangelicals in iowa and it— page with the evangelicals in iowa and it will— page with the evangelicals in iowa and it will be _ page with the evangelicals in iowa and it will be difficult _ page with the evangelicals in iowa and it will be difficult for- page with the evangelicals in iowa and it will be difficult for them - page with the evangelicals in iowa and it will be difficult for them toi and it will be difficult for them to strike _ and it will be difficult for them to strike a _ and it will be difficult for them to strike a moderate. _ and it will be difficult for them to strike a moderate. to— and it will be difficult for them to strike a moderate. to get- and it will be difficult for them to strike a moderate. to get that i strike a moderate. to get that republican _ strike a moderate. to get that republican presidential- strike a moderate. to get that - republican presidential nomination, that will— republican presidential nomination, that will be — republican presidential nomination, that will be necessary. _ republican presidential nomination, that will be necessary. we - republican presidential nomination, that will be necessary. we need - republican presidential nomination, that will be necessary. we need toi that will be necessary. we need to look at _ that will be necessary. we need to look at other— that will be necessary. we need to look at other parties _ that will be necessary. we need to look at other parties that - that will be necessary. we need to look at other parties that have - look at other parties that have been — look at other parties that have been the _ look at other parties that have been... the public— look at other parties that have been... the public at - look at other parties that have been... the public at large - look at other parties that have i been... the public at large have look at other parties that have - been... the public at large have the view of— been... the public at large have the view of supporting _ been... the public at large have the view of supporting abortion - been... the public at large have the view of supporting abortion rights i view of supporting abortion rights in general. — view of supporting abortion rights in general. but _ view of supporting abortion rights in general, but they— view of supporting abortion rights in general, but they will- view of supporting abortion rights in general, but they will be - view of supporting abortion rights in general, but they will be active members — in general, but they will be active members within— in general, but they will be active members within the _ in general, but they will be active members within the party- in general, but they will be active members within the party that i

members within the party that received — members within the party that received this— members within the party that received this advice _ members within the party that received this advice as - members within the party that received this advice as the - members within the party that - received this advice as the supreme court _ received this advice as the supreme courtjust_ received this advice as the supreme court just as — received this advice as the supreme court just as the _ received this advice as the supreme court just as the first _ received this advice as the supreme court just as the first step. - received this advice as the supreme court just as the first step. and - court just as the first step. and now— court just as the first step. and now is— court just as the first step. and now is handed _ court just as the first step. and now is handed back— court just as the first step. and now is handed back to - court just as the first step. and now is handed back to the - court just as the first step. and i now is handed back to the united states. _ now is handed back to the united states. there _ now is handed back to the united states, there are _ now is handed back to the united states, there are some _ now is handed back to the united states, there are some people i now is handed back to the united . states, there are some people who want to— states, there are some people who want to see — states, there are some people who want to see it— states, there are some people who want to see it banded _ states, there are some people who want to see it banded sea - states, there are some people who want to see it banded sea band - states, there are some people who want to see it banded sea band in. want to see it banded sea band in every— want to see it banded sea band in every state — want to see it banded sea band in every state they _ want to see it banded sea band in every state. they want _ want to see it banded sea band in every state. they want to - want to see it banded sea band in every state. they want to see - every state. they want to see abortion — every state. they want to see abortion eliminated _ every state. they want to see abortion eliminated because i every state. they want to see | abortion eliminated because it is murder— abortion eliminated because it is murder and _ abortion eliminated because it is murderand murder— abortion eliminated because it is murder and murder in _ abortion eliminated because it is murder and murder in a - abortion eliminated because it is murder and murder in a few- abortion eliminated because it is. murder and murder in a few states abortion eliminated because it is- murder and murder in a few states is not ok _ murder and murder in a few states is not ok i— murder and murder in a few states is not ok. . . . murder and murder in a few states is not ok. ., , , ., murder and murder in a few states is not ok. .,, , ., ., ., not ok. i was listening to another presentation... _ not ok. i was listening to another presentation... when _ not ok. i was listening to another presentation... when you look i not ok. i was listening to another presentation... when you look at | not ok. i was listening to another . presentation... when you look at the map you see very clearly, it is blue states versus red states when it comes to abortion. it is not too much another issue that —— it is another issue that divides the us. i would have another issue that divides the us. i would have preferred if you'd asked the other end to me that question because my wife might murder me. i

think that if you are lying under oath, and there is no recompense under that level of perjury, i think that says something about society now and it is raising the cynicism of the whole society. secondarily, we were vulcanised before this and unless we start doing things to the us constitution, making amendments and changes to the constitution, we are going to fracture the thing. we are going to fracture the thing. we are going to have a full on cultural civil war right now. i'm not saying it will go kinetic, but there will be a further division in the country which would be there for everyone. i will come back to the constitution later because i know you want to talk about in the programme. natalie, a quick answer, would you impeach a supreme courtjustice for lying... sorry, iam mixing it up. i

lying... sorry, lam mixing it up. i will be quick, yes. i can't lie like that. you have legal precedent that dates back to british common law. you are under oath saying something and these guys immediately went against it, that is the height of cynicism and it has caused major distrust in the justice system. three men talking about abortion and the one woman on the panel not talking about abortion. can i talk about italy? it's a predominantly catholic country in the vatican came out and said that the decision of the supreme court have said to be about pro—life choices. has it made about pro—life choices. has it made a difference in italy? does it steer the debate?— a difference in italy? does it steer the debate? no, does not stay the debate. i think _ the debate? no, does not stay the debate. i think this _ the debate? no, does not stay the debate. i think this is _ the debate? no, does not stay the debate. i think this is one - the debate? no, does not stay the debate. i think this is one of - the debate? no, does not stay the debate. i think this is one of the i debate. i think this is one of the civil rights — debate. i think this is one of the civil rights is deeply entrenched in the country and has been for decades _ the country and has been for decades. there are issues on which

the church— decades. there are issues on which the church and the vatican speaks which _ the church and the vatican speaks which do _ the church and the vatican speaks which do have an impact. ukraine war and the _ which do have an impact. ukraine war and the fact— which do have an impact. ukraine war and the fact that the vatican has been _ and the fact that the vatican has been really rather wobbly on ukraine has had _ been really rather wobbly on ukraine has had an_ been really rather wobbly on ukraine has had an impact on public debate in the _ has had an impact on public debate in the country, but when it comes to civil rights, — in the country, but when it comes to civil rights, when it comes to abortion, _ civil rights, when it comes to abortion, i_ civil rights, when it comes to abortion, i think it is something that not— abortion, i think it is something that not only in italy, but across europem — that not only in italy, but across europem |t— that not only in italy, but across eumpe- - -_ that not only in italy, but across euroe... , , , , europe... it is interesting because nicola sturgeon _ europe... it is interesting because nicola sturgeon today _ europe... it is interesting because nicola sturgeon today said - nicola sturgeon today said that there have been increased protest at abortion clinics. it there have been increased protest at abortion clinics.— abortion clinics. it has had an effect, but — abortion clinics. it has had an effect, but i'm _ abortion clinics. it has had an effect, but i'm not sure - abortion clinics. it has had an effect, but i'm not sure it's . abortion clinics. it has had an l effect, but i'm not sure it's had the same — effect, but i'm not sure it's had the same effect it's had an us i really— the same effect it's had an us i really don't see this having an effect — really don't see this having an effect in — really don't see this having an effect in terms of the negative spill—over that it could have on the negative _ spill—over that it could have on the negative spill—over that it could have _ negative spill—over that it could have onto — negative spill—over that it could have onto european societies. anthony. _ have onto european societies. anthony, we will say thank you for that. i was looking for an analogy of american politics. ifound this. this is a brawl that broke out this weekend.

weekend between the seattle mariners and the los angeles angels. two team who — by coincidence — are dressed in red and blue. i mean this is a proper scrap anthony. there is a lot of pent up emotion here. did you watch this? how can i not watch it. did you watch this? how can i not watch it- i'm _ did you watch this? how can i not watch it- i'm a — did you watch this? how can i not watch it. i'm a die-hard _ did you watch this? how can i not watch it. i'm a die-hard baseballl watch it. i'm a die—hard baseball fart _ watch it. i'm a die—hard baseball fart those — watch it. i'm a die—hard baseball fan. those teams _ watch it. i'm a die—hard baseball fan. those teams had _ watch it. i'm a die—hard baseballj fan. those teams had underlying hostilitx — fan. those teams had underlying hostilitx i— fan. those teams had underlying hostility. i doubt— fan. those teams had underlying hostility. i doubt that _ fan. those teams had underlying hostility. i doubt that it- fan. those teams had underlying hostility. i doubt that it was - fan. those teams had underlying hostility. i doubt that it was a . hostility. i doubt that it was a political — hostility. i doubt that it was a political thing. _ hostility. i doubt that it was a politicalthing. i— hostility. i doubt that it was a political thing. i think- hostility. i doubt that it was a political thing. i think those l political thing. i think those teams. _ political thing. i think those teams. you _ political thing. i think those teams, you know, - political thing. i think those teams, you know, there - political thing. i think those i teams, you know, there was political thing. i think those . teams, you know, there was a fiashpoint— teams, you know, there was a flashpoint obviously, - teams, you know, there was a flashpoint obviously, but - teams, you know, there was a flashpoint obviously, but i- teams, you know, there was a. flashpoint obviously, but i don't think— flashpoint obviously, but i don't think it — flashpoint obviously, but i don't think it was _ flashpoint obviously, but i don't think it was related _ flashpoint obviously, but i don't think it was related to - flashpoint obviously, but i don't think it was related to politics. i flashpoint obviously, but i don't. think it was related to politics. my team _ think it was related to politics. my team has— think it was related to politics. my team has been— think it was related to politics. my team has been thrown _ think it was related to politics. my team has been thrown at - think it was related to politics. my team has been thrown at 71 - think it was related to politics. my team has been thrown at 71 times| team has been thrown at 71 times this yeah — team has been thrown at 71 times this yeah were _ team has been thrown at 71 times this year. were not _ team has been thrown at 71 times this year. were not even - team has been thrown at 71 times this year. were not even halfwayl this year. were not even halfway through— this year. were not even halfway through the _ this year. were not even halfway through the season. _ this year. were not even halfway through the season. one - this year. were not even halfway through the season.— this year. were not even halfway through the season. one thing that cuite through the season. one thing that quite amaze _ through the season. one thing that quite amaze me — through the season. one thing that quite amaze me about _ through the season. one thing that quite amaze me about this - through the season. one thing that quite amaze me about this is - through the season. one thing that quite amaze me about this is that l quite amaze me about this is that literally everybody gets involved. somebody who hasn't even got her role in it, and then the referees are nowhere to be seen. it'sjust role in it, and then the referees are nowhere to be seen. it's just a complete pylon from both sides of the team and later on, we start seeing the angels team, they start throwing things out of the dugout. they threw their sunflower seeds and

the chewing gum and they threw the whole lot. itjust goes on. it went on for four minutes, whole lot. itjust goes on. it went on forfour minutes, four minutes! it felt like a hockey game. it on for four minutes, four minutes! it felt like a hockey game.- it felt like a hockey game. it felt like it was _ it felt like a hockey game. it felt like it was a _ it felt like a hockey game. it felt like it was a metaphor _ it felt like a hockey game. it felt like it was a metaphor for - it felt like a hockey game. it felt like it was a metaphor for the i like it was a metaphor for the tensions in america. as anthony said, it was nothing to do with politics. now it's time for the panel... they tell me, and three, that coming back to yourformer they tell me, and three, that coming back to your former point, you want me to talk about the american contribution. you have beef about it. what is that beef? i will contribution. you have beef about it. what is that beef?— it. what is that beef? i will be brief. it it. what is that beef? i will be brief- it is _ it. what is that beef? i will be brief. it is a _ it. what is that beef? i will be brief. it is a 200 _ it. what is that beef? i will be brief. it is a 200 and - it. what is that beef? i will be l brief. it is a 200 and something year old document. there are 27 amendments. if you go back to the origination of the country, we were making an amendment roughly every eight years and yet we haven't had an amendment since 1993 and these things need to get reset in the same with your software on your iphone

needs to be reset. there are two or three amendments that would settle things if we could get this done. one would be mandatory voting and another would be the end of gerrymandering. if you look at the normal people in the country, the moderate people in the country are in general agreement and that is 70% of the people. we have a tyranny of the minority going on right now and they are exploiting elements of the constitution to protect minority voters, but they figured out a way to rake the gerrymandering system and screen out and make moderate voters are apathetic and we need to change that, we need another amendments constitution because we haven't had one in almost 30 years. that is really interesting. just a quick point on that. isn't there a problem that the republicans see the constitution are set in stone. a 230—year—old document must not be changed and you are saying to change

it, but they don't want to change it. �* ., it, but they don't want to change it. �* . , ., ., it, but they don't want to change it. but that is not how it was set u -. it. but that is not how it was set un- remember. _ it. but that is not how it was set up. remember, you _ it. but that is not how it was set up. remember, you have - it. but that is not how it was set up. remember, you have had . it. but that is not how it was set| up. remember, you have had 27 amendments, including the bill of rights right after the constitutional convention. it was set up as a living and breathing document in each generation needed to take a tweak of that document and what is going on right now is the majority of the people are in agreement, the majority of the people do not want this civil or cultural war and what we have had done, this is basically operation red nap by the republicans, they have figured out how to pray on the electoral college and use a strength of the senate, there are four centres in the dakotas and for senators representing new york and california, for example. they figured out how to use the stuff to get what they want and play well with the supreme court. we can change us and get the society back

to civil this court, but we have to do this and move on it, we have two... ., ., do this and move on it, we have two... . ., , ., do this and move on it, we have two... . ., ., ., two... natalie, you have a constitution, _ two... natalie, you have a constitution, very - two... natalie, you have a| constitution, very different two... natalie, you have a i constitution, very different in italy, does it work?— constitution, very different in italy, does it work? yes, it does work, italy, does it work? yes, it does work. and _ italy, does it work? yes, it does work, and thank _ italy, does it work? yes, it does work, and thank goodness. - italy, does it work? yes, it does. work, and thank goodness. there italy, does it work? yes, it does - work, and thank goodness. there are elements— work, and thank goodness. there are elements of— work, and thank goodness. there are elements of it there are very often debated, _ elements of it there are very often debated, does italy have the right to enter— debated, does italy have the right to enter war? debated, does italy have the right to enterwar? we had debated, does italy have the right to enter war? we had a constitution for the _ to enter war? we had a constitution for the instance that in some very draconian— for the instance that in some very draconian interpretations prohibits the country from entering war which has led _ the country from entering war which has led to— the country from entering war which has led to the debates of whether we should _ has led to the debates of whether we should he _ has led to the debates of whether we should be supporting ukraine militarily. so far, the way that they— militarily. so far, the way that they have _ militarily. so far, the way that they have been interpreted have led to the _ they have been interpreted have led to the sense of being on the one hand _ to the sense of being on the one hand very— to the sense of being on the one hand very firm and steady on the right, _ hand very firm and steady on the right, believing scope for

interpretation and progress on it. it is interpretation and progress on it. it is a _ interpretation and progress on it. it is a living — interpretation and progress on it. it is a living and breathing document. some people don't see it that way. thank you for your time this evening. we will be about the same time tomorrow. thank you for watching, goodbye. hello. time fora good old delve into the mixed bag for our weather has in store for us for our weather has in store for us for the week ahead. and it's looking for the week ahead. and it's looking for a mixture of sunny spells, but also some fairly hefty showers running across the uk times. the whole week is pretty much low pressure, given we will see low pressure, given we will see low pressure in the north—west of the uk, some organised bands of rain at times and then bands of showers following on with bright spells in between some heavy and thundery outbreaks of rain. tuesday pretty wet with bright and data with thunderstorms, and that will move into western scotland all the way

down into cornwall. if you like showers, they will be in the midlands. thanks to the area of low pressure, a gusty day with up to a0 mph winds. the window open, the chance of catching a shower is reduced. monday, heavy downpours of the afternoon, wednesday however, we see this continue to swell around the north of the uk and there will be that chance increasing yet again as a weather front pushes its way to the east. that means instead of seeing solid rain, we will see bursts and spells of sunshine. the shower distribution across the uk will be more widespread. a little water, but temperatures a shade down from the average of the time the year. typically acting into the mid 20s. however, despite the showers around, the uv is at its highest so

it's easy to get caught in sun. sun sunscreen and unbalanced kind of week ahead. we see rain surging up across the continent and that could be potentially their heaviest rain in the south—east gets as a whole. still, though, we look at thursday from the daytime perspective, i think the wettest weather will tend to target northern and western areas, but you can't really avoid a shower anywhere on thursday. and blustery wind as the rain moves through. to send just as big area of low pressure by friday. actually looks like eastern areas may be favoured with drier conditions towards the end of the week. it may be a little warm up with the south—westerly winds and towards the west again, some showers trying to cloud their way then. still into the start of the weekend, that pattern keeps playing out. high pressure is not too far the way, south of the uk by saturday, but i think we will

still have blustery winds on saturday and a chance of persistent and heavy showers to the west of the uk. it looks at the moment as if perhaps east anglia and the south—east and may be the midlands will have a fine start to the weekend. looking further ahead, however, after day, after day, at the day of low pressure, we are on into next weekend and the following week, the high pressure will try to push its way into the uk. we could still keep quite a cool north westerly airstream however, so the picture on into next week is potentially more settled one, would lessen the way of showers, lighter winds and perhaps a shade warmer because it will more sunshine and fewer showers, because it will more sunshine and fewershowers, but because it will more sunshine and fewer showers, but no heatwave on the cards yet.

tonight at ten... a packed shopping centre in ukraine is hit by a russian missile — world leaders react with horror. around 1,000 people were thought to be in the mall when it was hit — at least 13 are dead, dozens have been injured. many people were in the shopping centre at the time of the attack and

the fear is that many more people have died.