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point out, it may lay out the should point out, it may lay out the timetable. it may still yet to take us to the end of the week. yes. timetable. it may still yet to take us to the end of the week.- us to the end of the week. yes. i should say. _ us to the end of the week. yes. i should say. in — us to the end of the week. yes. i should say, in the _ us to the end of the week. yes. i should say, in the last _ us to the end of the week. yes. i should say, in the last few- us to the end of the week. yes. i i should say, in the last few minutes it seems rishi sunak campaign sources being quoted as saying we're not taking anything for granted. rishi sunak will continue to talk to her colleagues before nominations papers go in and discussing how best to take the party forward. the rishi sunak camp saying well, they are not taking anything for granted, they are going to continue pressing forward. exactly, we don't know exactly what will happen with penny mordaunt campaign, how many votes she might pick up. one or two possibilities now. tomorrow we could have penny mordaunt getting more than 100 votes needed along side rishi sunak. if that happens tomorrow we then have a vote of mps, there will be a hustings in
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parliament where they both candidates will have to present themselves with up there will be a vote of mps, which would be in indicative vote. it would show how many mps support each candidate and that vote would then be. michael forward to the conservative party members who have all week until friday next week to do in on line vote to choose one of the two. they will have seen ben which m p, how many mps favour each candidate or the alternative, only one passes the threshold at the minute rishi sunak is over, so rishi sunak patches a threshold. if he scoops up many more votes and penny mordaunt doesn't make 100 then there is no need to press forward with the rest of that process and rishi sunak tomorrow would be the winner. damien, thank you very much. i’m would be the winner. damien, thank you very much-— you very much. i'm delighted to say i'm delighted _ you very much. i'm delighted to say i'm delighted by _ you very much. i'm delighted to say i'm delighted by the _ you very much. i'm delighted to say i'm delighted by the chief _ you very much. i'm delighted to say i'm delighted by the chief financiall
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on one level, i find surprising. on one level, it's fascinating. it's very borisjohnson to hold the line like with the leadership bid which he never declared —— limelight. it attracted all the mainstream media, and since friday, he has hundreds of mps that supported him, enough to get on the balance sheet. he's claiming this wasn't enough to have a democratic mandate. but there will be suspicions. we don't know who the 100 to suppose that mp supporters are, and it's quite possible he didn't get the 100 needed to get to that point. therefore he is pulling out and we'll never know whether he's telling the truth or not. mr johnson, for all his political strength, is not renowned as a terror of truth all the time. this
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is not inconceivable if penny mourdant doesn't get to 100, sunak will be crowned the new prime minister. that comes with a lot of questions about democracy because the conservative membership wouldn't get a chance to vote for him, and they might feel... the country might also feel unhappy about having the prime minister who they haven't elected. one thing to remember is it's not impossible with the supporters of borisjohnson, we're sure he had at least 60 or 70. if they were to switch to penny mourdant in a kind of, let's stop rishi sunak way, she could declare the hundred. it's not impossible that even though she's been seen as the outsider or the outside chance, it's still not impossible that she could come out of nowhere and win. quite, i think the point would be
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that whatever the decision and the vote in a two person contest, we're back into the words of it being an indicative boat. just getting the most mps on site is not even half the battle comes to party members who don't seem fond of rishi sunak —— vote. who don't seem fond of rishi sunak -- vote. ., ., ., ,., ., -- vote. you have all sort of complications. _ -- vote. you have all sort of complications. if— -- vote. you have all sort of complications. if he - -- vote. you have all sort of complications. if he has - -- vote. you have all sort of. complications. if he has about 250, you'd have a very... and then she goes ahead and wins among the membership, you would have a very unstable regime because although the conservative party had a huge majority of 80 mps, if you only have the support of 100 going in, there's a kind of... you could see quite a
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few rebellions happen quite quickly and you can have a bit of the instability that we saw with liz truss. possibly not the self inflicted financial chaos. i want to bring in a tweet from nadim zahawi that says a day is a long time and politics. we should turn to rishi sunak to the next prime minister. he is immensely talented, will command a strong majority in the parliament." looking for unity, something borisjohnson said he would try to do. that was a great opportunity at the same time, there might be a sense that nadim zahawi, who was prepared to back boris johnson, is going the sunak route rather than the mordaunt route.
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fascinating that nadim zahawi had... which is precisely the moment boris johnson pulled out. nadim zahawi was made chancellor amid... he only had been chancellorfor a made chancellor amid... he only had been chancellor for a couple of days when he literally went around and told the prime minister to go. by humiliating the guy who had forced him out of power, then back to him last week, and this was a deliberate humiliation. but i think it's an interesting question. one thing liz truss possibly got wrong, at least to those voters who were not... she stuck with covenant people who supported her in the summer —— cabinet people, and she didn't reach out to rishi sunak�*s supporters and give them cabinetjobs. who had
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supported someone else, in this case, borisjohnson, it may look like a more harmonious operation than liz truss's premiership. she basically stuff the camera... [30 than liz truss's premiership. she basically stuff the camera... do you think whether _ basically stuff the camera... do you think whether it's _ basically stuff the camera... do you think whether it's mordaunt - basically stuff the camera... do you think whether it's mordaunt or - basically stuff the camera... do youj think whether it's mordaunt or rishi sunak, that the conservatives can look towards a period of — i'll use the word relatively, of stability — and most people recognise boris johnson is a massive character. he's charismatic, he gets everybody jumping up and down, but one thing he is not offering is stability. i he is not offering is stability. 1 think there are two forms of he is not offering is stability. i think there are two forms of the stability we've suffered from over the summer. we had massive political instability. going back for about six years. but we've also had financial instability, some of it caused or worsened by liz truss's premiership, but some that out of her control, caused by global
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factors such as russia's invasion, rising inflation. even if it's rishi sunak or penny mourdant, there could be more political instability because they might take fewer risks with the economy initially. there are still these factors in terms of the cost of living crisis, inflation, interest rates going up, energy bills set to go up. when the scheme ends, these are factors that however good a communicate or you are, you could have all the communication steels in the world, but the problems in this country are facing the general public. they're so severe that political skills aren't going to be enough to prevent some pretty unstable months ahead. jim, don't go away. i'll ask you in a moment to give you the top two lines from the ft. it can't all be
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about borisjohnson, but do stay with us. i want to turn back to damian grammaticas. you've been garnering some of the response and thank you for parting on the nadhim zahawi tweet, what are they making of it? ~ ., ., zahawi tweet, what are they making of it? . ., ., ., zahawi tweet, what are they making ofit? ., ., ., , ., of it? well, a lot of people are sce tical of it? well, a lot of people are sceptical that _ of it? well, a lot of people are sceptical that whether - of it? well, a lot of people are sceptical that whether boris i of it? well, a lot of people are - sceptical that whether boris johnson mother might have had ——johnson might�*ve had the right number of nominations, he states in his letter that he did. he nominations, he states in his letter that he did-— that he did. he confirms he did. yes, he confirms _ that he did. he confirms he did. yes, he confirms and _ that he did. he confirms he did. yes, he confirms and he - that he did. he confirms he did. yes, he confirms and he is - that he did. he confirms he did. - yes, he confirms and he is cleared, but the hurdle of nominations, no one is quite sure. there's a lot of scepticism whether that's the case or rather he read the writing on the wall and decided he may not do, or evenif wall and decided he may not do, or even if he did, the prospect that would face him was he would end up with a large bulk — even if he won
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the contest — his own mp who didn't want him. clearly now, a sense that momentum that appears would be with rishi sunak. but the mordaunt campaign is saying they are not in the mood to stand back. they see her as a candidate who can unify the party and appeal to different wings. she has a lot to do to climb that mountain to get to 100 nominations, but now, there are 60 or so of boris johnson's up for grabs. interesting that nadhim zahawi had swung back and forth, said borisjohnson should go in the summer, come back to back him now, and instantly, humiliating that he's written this article praising borisjohnson�*s candidacy praising boris johnson's candidacy or praising borisjohnson�*s candidacy or potential, only now to have that
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withdrawal instantly. he's a big name, he's a cabinet minister. it's interesting, as one of the big names in the borisjohnson camp is moving to rishi sunak. he has a height of a rhinoceros, perhaps, to deal with these things slung his way. he said that article, but he's moved, how many more might go? the mordaunt campaign think their team can draw borisjohnson�*s campaign think their team can draw boris johnson's supporters who campaign think their team can draw borisjohnson�*s supporters who might be less inclined to support rishi sunak. but you could again, asjim would saying, end up with a large bulk of mps supporting rishi sunak, so would penny mourdant be held in —— how would that be able to cope? i've been told you have to dispatch for radio four in a moment, so thank
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you very much indeed. jim, two points. rishi sunak, as he laid out very clearly, in the first round of standing for party leader, was that this would be tough, this would hurt financially, it would be difficult. he had the credibility one might say that ultimately, getting it right while liz truss got it wrong will help him. how will he be seen in the market in terms of the next man at the helm? or woman? market in terms of the next man at the helm? orwoman?i market in terms of the next man at the helm? or woman?— market in terms of the next man at the helm? or woman? i think markets will be stable. _ the helm? or woman? i think markets will be stable, but _ the helm? or woman? i think markets will be stable, but there _ the helm? or woman? i think markets will be stable, but there was - the helm? or woman? i think markets will be stable, but there was little - will be stable, but there was little turbulence and currency markets on friday at the idea boris johnson friday at the idea borisjohnson coming back. i don't think they would have freaked out as much by some of liz truss's unfunded tax cuts, but the problem with boris johnson coming back is slightly alarmed traders. rishi sunak would be a more conventional prospect in
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that respect. i think this whole process has been so constantine and truncated that there is almost no discussion of policy, and i suppose sunak and mordaunt can make the point that we heard and we know where they stand. you knew where borisjohnson was because he was prime minister only a few months ago. butjust the lack of engaging in ideas or philosophical discussion is much more a kind of scramble for momentum. i also feel we've discussed the possibility that penny mourdant could come through and win this. given the numbers rishi sunak now has in terms of mps, an awful lot of colleagues will be looking at the writing in the wall as we've seenin the writing in the wall as we've seen in nadhim zahawi. you see where the energy is coming from, and they
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are going to... i think a lot of boris johnson's supporters are going to... i think a lot of borisjohnson�*s supporters may split boris johnson's supporters may split to sunak. ., , , ., ., to sunak. there has been one of those rides _ to sunak. there has been one of those rides where _ to sunak. there has been one of those rides where that _ to sunak. there has been one of- those rides where that machiavellian idea of mps voting for whoever they thought would give them the best chance of getting a ministerial post. i don't think i've ever seen it quite as vivid as it's been in the last couple of months. know, but there is also — the last couple of months. know, but there is also personality _ the last couple of months. know, but there is also personality being - there is also personality being settled. if you think about the fact that it was sunak, the second cabinet minister to resign after sevenjavid. —— sajid javid. a lot of and happiness between the two. —— unhappiness. a lot of mps were very aware that the privileges committee hasn't completed its investigation
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into whether borisjohnson lied to parliament. but there was a bit of briefing this week from thejohnson camp, that sunak himself was also fined over attending a party in number ten during that period. there's a lot of bad blood out there, and i don't think the end of this battle will be the end of this bad blood and tensions which are now entrenched. jim. bad blood and tensions which are now entrenched. , ., , ., ., _, , entrenched. jim, i gave you a couple of minutes to _ entrenched. jim, i gave you a couple of minutes to give _ entrenched. jim, i gave you a couple of minutes to give us _ entrenched. jim, i gave you a couple of minutes to give us your— entrenched. jim, i gave you a couple of minutes to give us your headline i of minutes to give us your headline in your second story. what are you coming up with? the in your second story. what are you coming up with?— coming up with? the truth on this one is m — coming up with? the truth on this one is i'm not _ coming up with? the truth on this one is i'm not technically - coming up with? the truth on this one is i'm not technically working | one is i'm not technically working today and george parker is the person who's rapidly rewriting us. you could be a politician! laughter i haven't seen what he's written, but i would suspect it would be momentum—
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but i would suspect it would be momentum g ., ., , �* , momentum with johnson as... he's conceded that _ momentum with johnson as... he's conceded that he's _ momentum with johnson as... he's conceded that he's not _ momentum with johnson as... he's conceded that he's not in _ momentum with johnson as... he's conceded that he's not in the - conceded that he's not in the running. conceded that he's not in the runninu. , conceded that he's not in the runninu, ., ~ i. , . running. jim, thank you very much indeed. running. jim, thank you very much indeed- 0n — running. jim, thank you very much indeed. on your _ running. jim, thank you very much indeed. on your day _ running. jim, thank you very much indeed. on your day off, _ running. jim, thank you very much indeed. on your day off, but - running. jim, thank you very much l indeed. on your day off, but there's quite a day off. but nadhim zahawi put very appropriately in his tweet as he switched to support rishi sunak from boris as he switched to support rishi sunakfrom borisjohnson, a day is a long time in politics. that's certainly clear. let me just remind you as to what we find in the last literally a0 minutes or so. boris johnson has delivered a statement in which he has said that he is not going to allow his nomination to go forward, and he will commit his support to whoever succeeds. those are his remarks at the end of a page worth of explanation of his decision not to stand, and which he said he could confirm that he is clear the hurdle of 100 to vote —— 102
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nominations. he could put his nominations. he could put his nomination in tomorrow, and there is a very good chance he says that he would be successful in the election with conservative party members. that is probably fairly accurate. "i could be back in downing street on friday. but i've sadly come to the conclusion this would simply not be the right thing to do. you can't govern effectively unless you have a united party in parliament." he did just add also, "i have reached out to both richey and penny. we have sadly not been able to work out a way and doing this —— rishi." the mordaunt campus said they called and they asked for boris johnson's support rather than it being necessarily the other way around. i suspect they were both asking each
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other if they would stand down and make way for one another. well, the fact is borisjohnson is now out of the ring again. he only flew back from his holiday in the dominican republic a couple of days ago, saying he's up for it, and the point is now that he is not standing after all. so, we've got till two o'clock tomorrow afternoon in which time penny mourdant needs to have secured 100 plus nominations. the latest we had at the bbc was that 2a mps had declared publicly for penny mourdant, and she obviously will be hoping that she can draw on a number of those who were going to vote in favour of borisjohnson, although we have heard from nadhim zahawi, who not only set a day is a long time in politics, he went on to say it's
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clear we should turn to rishi sunak to become our next prime minister. there's one of the borisjohnson numbers on the sunak route. david morris also appears to have switched to rishi sunak. we will speak to him in a moment if we can get him on the line. we'll see. here's the as a collie quote. —— the nadhim zahawi quote. emphasising a strong majority in the parliamentary conservative party. not necessarily among the party membership, who clearly reveal fairly strongly that he was the author of borisjohnson's downfall in the first place. and boris johnson still held in very were high
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regard among many of the party members. but he's gone. so he is out of the equation. there's no one else standing other than penny mourdant and rishi sunak. it could well be that this man enjoys a coronation after the humiliation of his last attempt to take the tory party leadership, and which he did win a majority of this lot, of the tory mps in parliament. that however was not enough to persuade the party membership, who voted for liz truss. as we know, that was only a matter of weeks ago, and liz truss is out of the equation. it could just be that rishi sunak will get his opportunity to govern the party, certainly fair to govern the party, certainly fair to say that his predictions of what would happen is if liz truss was the way with her —— pushed away with her growth plans and the markets were
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very much spooked. in the currency, sterling, fell dramatically in particular against the dollar. so, he has some credibility in the bank terms of 7 terms of what 5 terms of what you 5 terms of what you predicted in terms of what you predicted there. perhaps less in terms of his loyalty to boris johnson there. perhaps less in terms of his loyalty to borisjohnson in the first place, and that is what party members would be most unhappy with. he will be no doubt hoping very clearly now that he won't have to go to the party membership, that it will be decided at this first stage and that by two o'clock, he will find himself as the only candidate and therefore the next leader of the conservative party and the british prime minister. penny mourdant is the one who will be hoping, however, that she cannot pick up among the other boats. —— she can now pick up. there are certainly plenty of mps who can enable penny mourdant to
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come in now that borisjohnson has gone. borisjohnson having 102, rishi sunak having 150 audit would make it all but impossible for penny mourdant to cross the threshold. we will have to see how many of those mps would be prepared or would sooner create a contest and follow a line which did not involve rishi sunak in charge of the party. it's been quite an hour here at new broadcasting house, and yet another hour of drama in the ongoing saga of who runs this country. who will be in charge of the government, and of course we haven't mentioned the labour party for much of the last hour because it's all been about this man. but the message from keir starmer has been loud and clear, and thatis starmer has been loud and clear, and that is we should not be thinking about who will be the next prime minister, we should be thinking about the general election now. i
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think with boris johnson about the general election now. i think with borisjohnson standing aside, that looks ever further away and that the opportunity for a single candidate perhaps to try and establish a degree of stability in government is growing significantly. if i canjust add one or two lines from this statement from boris johnson, because it's worth pointing out that his confidence is not on the way at all. he says he believes he's well—placed to deliver a conservative victory in 202a. we thought the whole of the statement up thought the whole of the statement up on the website. do peru's it at your leisure. " i believe i'm well—placed to deliver a victory, i can confirm that i've cleared the very high hurdle of 102 nominations, and i could put my nomination in tomorrow. there's a very good chance i would be successful in the election with conservative party members and i could indeed be back
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in downing street on friday. however, that is not... up to" this is my words now, he has had to point out he cannot allow his nomination to go forward and he commits his support to whoever succeeds. that's the breaking news. borisjohnson out. penny mourdant and rishi sunak still very much in the battle for the leadership of the party for the leadership of the government, for running the country. rishi sunak is there, but penny mourdant has until two o'clock tomorrow afternoon to reach that figure of 102 plus nominations and to stay in the fight. we'll keep across this on bbc news throughout the hours ahead in what has been another historic hour, in fact, in british politics. thanks for watching.
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hello. there's been lots going on with the weather today. heavy rain and thunderstorms, also some warm spells of sunshine, but the heavy rain words driven by an area of low pressure. still with us on monday, still some showers spiralling around. it's low pressure that we keep close by in the week ahead, but it will stay very mild both by day and by night with frost free. some drier slots in sunnier slots, me escape with some drier days. monday showers clearing away, some sunshine following on behind, but more showers piling in from the west. somewhat hit and miss. not
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everyone will see them. temperatures in the mid to high teens. the showers could start to merge as we head through monday evening to bring a longer spell of rain. slightly quieter day on tuesday ahead of our next atlantic system approaching from the south and west, so many starting mainly dry. a few showers were northern and western scotland and cloud gathering ahead of this band of rain pushing into southern and southwestern england and wales. it's another mild days with temperatures typically between 1a—18 celsius, more like 11—12 for the northern islands. most of us will see a spell of overnight rain, and that still lingers across the far north of scotland through wednesday. pulling away northwards, plenty of showers behind it, distribution probably across western coast but also southern county. the further east, the driest you're likely to
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be. notice how was temperatures are starting to creep up as we head into wednesday. perhaps 19 or 23 parts of east anglia and england. quite a messy picture as we start the day on thursday with a lot of cloud, showers, longer spells of rain. those will be nudging their ways northwards, so a large swathe of england wells becoming drier with some spells of sunshine. think cloudy with further showers from scotland and northern ireland. still very mild if not warm across the central, southern and southeast england. as we head into friday, another frontal system to deal with. low pressure to the west, and the front will bring rain eastwards as we head through the friday. behind it, spells of sunshine, could be slow—moving for a time. also some showers pushing into the west of northern ireland and western scotland. temperatures again 1a—18
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celsius, but perhaps 20 celsius for east anglia and southeast england. on saturday, this front pushes some rain northwards across males, the midlands and northern england, northern ireland —— across wales. i mainly dry and still very mild day. then we start to see some changes as we head through sunday. an area of high pressure builds in, so sunday will be a drier day. we develop more of a westerly wind as we head through monday and tuesday. temperatures start to come down. it's just closer to average, so through summarising... it's mild, but by day and by night, but also some drier and sunny spells. goodbye.
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tonight at ten... three become two. borisjohnson drops out of the race to be tory leader and prime minister, leaving rishi sunak and penny mordaunt in the running. mrjohnson said he got the required nominations but says now is not the right time. rishi sunak is now the clear frontrunner. the latest twist in a week of many twists and turns has come in the last hour and it means we could have a new prime minister is soonest tomorrow. we'll be asking what is now more likely, a contest or a coronation? also on the programme... cementing his place at the top, china's president xi will have a third term in power, the first to do so xijinping has become the most
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